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TV01:
Living in Greece, does not make one a Greek constitutional expert . But all the time on NL (+ your long and expensive education ), should make it easy to grasp, no one has actually said Greek women cannot take on their husbands surnames. Socially, they are allowed to have their husbands names only. Legally - in Greece - they are not allowed to drop their maiden names.

Believe whatever you choose to, we all do.

Did you pass through Greece as a migrant


TV

I am - unlike you - a EU citizen.

crackhaus:
Of course it's definitely not a convenient solution, it is the height of absolute confusion - daddy bearing a different surname, mummy bearing her own hyphenated version of the surname, and then children bearing either of the two.

It's how common sense is often subjugated to ideology that is really tragic.

Parents have a hyphenated mix of both names. Children subsequently have double barrelled names, and their intendeds likewise...ad-infinitum, through successive generations? Confusion.

Truth is usually simple and sensible. Matrilineality is markedly different from Matriarchy - as we have schooled Sister Mindfulness previously.

francis18:
IS THAT A CHEST?

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TV01:
It's how common sense is often subjugated to ideology that is really tragic.

Parents have a hyphenated mix of both names. Children subsequently have double barrelled names, and their intendeds likewise...ad-infinitum, through successive generations? Confusion.

Truth is usually simple and sensible. Matrilineality is markedly different from Matriarchy - as we have schooled Sister Mindfulness previously.





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Crackhaus has taught me a lesson or two but I can't say the same of you so humble yourself as Christ would.

joseph1832:
Where and When? I'll tell you. In a time, a place where teenagers started meddling in the affairs of adults, got spanked, and ran to the internet to redeem their battered ego and deceive the mindless just to ease their wanton pain.

Lol...

Mindfulness:
Believe whatever you choose to, we all do.



I am - unlike you - a EU citizen.

British mate, we Brexiting. EU citizens are now foreigners . And we will not accept you. Even if you swallow common law whole.

You can visit sha'. But do not overstay


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TV01:
British mate, we Brexiting. EU citizens are now foreigners . And we will not accept you. Even if you swallow common law whole.

You can visit sha'. But do not overstay


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I have 27 countries I can freely travel to and stay for as long as I want. I never wanted to live in Britain so nothing has been lost. I would have a long time ago if I wanted. Sorry for the xenophobia you are surrounded by.

I saw a Black British on TV last night who was recalling how people were shouting at him to return where he came from even though he was born in the UK.

TV01:
It's how common sense is often subjugated to ideology that is really tragic.

Parents have a hyphenated mix of both names. Children subsequently have double barrelled names, and their intendeds likewise...ad-infinitum, through successive generations? Confusion.

Truth is usually simple and sensible. Matrilineality is markedly different from Matriarchy - as we have schooled Sister Mindfulness previously.





TV

By the time they get to the fourth generation, the woman's name will be something like Mrs. Timi Aderonke Otedola-Adenuga-Dangote-Ovia-Buhari

CONFUSION!

Mindfulness:
I have 27 countries I can freely travel to and stay for as long as I want. I never wanted to live in Britain so nothing has been lost. I would have a long time ago if I wanted. Sorry for the xenophobia you are surrounded by.

I saw a Black British on TV last night who was recalling how people were shouting at him to return where he came from even though he was born in the UK.

And visiting those same 27 countries will not be impaired for Brits. People don't just up and move "because they can", and it is not necessarily a universally good thing. Xenophobia pervades Europe as a whole, you will simply have increasing Islamisication to deal with in addition.

A good freind of mine - who has moved permanently to the UK - told me how he was set upon by German police dogs, whilst simply walking the steets in broad daylight. Regardless, the UK has the most cosmopolitan and welcoming culture.


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TV01:
And visiting those same 27 countries will not be impaired for Brits. People don't just up and move "because they can", and it is not necessarily a universally good thing. Xenophobia pervades Europe as a whole, you will simply have increasing Islamisication to deal with in addition.

You as a black non-EU citizen will surely be welcomed everywhere to stay there permanently even though xenophobia - as you said - pervades Europe as a whole.

A good freind of mine - who has moved permanently to the UK - told me how he was set upon by German police dogs, whilst simply walking the steets in broad daylight. Regardless, the UK has the most cosmopolitan and welcoming culture.

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We have seen how cosmopolitan and welcoming the UK culture is recently.


And we will see if Great Britain will remain great or if it will become Little England eventually.

Mindfulness:
You as a black non-EU citizen will surely be welcomed everywhere to stay there permanently even though xenophobia - as you said - pervades Europe as a whole.



We have seen how cosmopolitan and welcoming the UK culture is recently.


And we will see if Great Britain will remain great or if it will become Little England eventually.

I actually voted to leave. For me, pivotal was the question of sovereignty. Increasingly, laws are enacted by un-elected EU bureaucrats. Our MEPS do not enact laws. That is not democracy as we know it.

It is becoming more of a political union than an economic one. With an Eu army up next? And border control is key to a nations integrity. If Angela Merkel invites a million refugees to Germany, she's inviting them to the UK. Likewise for the other 27 countries. Not all who by the wat, are geared up for, or welcoming of the idea.

Tribally, more immigrants will just push lower situated blacks further down the pecking order, and engender xenophobia, which as I mentioned is Europe-wide.

What will happen? Yes, there is some uncertainty, but rather live free than become a province of the EU super-state. The times of empire are long gone, I will be the first to admit that, and perhaps good-riddance to a lot of what it stood for.

But we still got the commonwealth - if only symbolically . And our near kin in the Antipodes, along with our special relationship with the Yanks. We are also furiously licking Chinese - and even Indian - ass !


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TV01:
I actually voted to leave. For me, pivotal was the question of sovereignty. Increasingly, laws are enacted by un-elected EU bureaucrats. Our MEPS do not enact laws. That is not democracy as we know it.

The EU parliament is elected by and for the people. It's ironic that people complain that the EU is undemocratic when voter turnout was at less than 50% (42.61% to be precise) in 2014. You don't want to vote but you shout democracy, what now?

Most people don't even know how laws are passed in the EU and look like cars when asked what the institutional triangle is but will repeat like parrots what Boris and Nigel have told them.

What you have written above is only half true and would you have known better, you would not have made such claims.

It is becoming more of a political union than an economic one. With an Eu army up next? And border control is key to a nations integrity. If Angela Merkel invites a million refugees to Germany, she's inviting them to the UK. Likewise for the other 27 countries. Not all who by the wat, are geared up for, or welcoming of the idea.

Another statement that is based on ignorance (no offense). Refugees are not even allowed to leave their state within a country, much less cross borders between countries.

Tribally, more immigrants will just push lower situated blacks further down the pecking order, and engender xenophobia, which as I mentioned is Europe-wide.

This is the biggest lie ever. Immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out and they create more jobs, directly and indirectly and an aging society like the British one will increasingly depend on immigration.

Not immigrants are responsible for the low standards in your country but your past governments who failed to make medium-term and long-term investments.

What will happen? Yes, there is some uncertainty, but rather live free than become a province of the EU super-state. The times of empire are long gone, I will be the first to admit that, and perhaps good-riddance to a lot of what it stood for.

Live free? You are no longer free on this continent. Going back to nationalistic concepts is a regression into 19th century thinking. It's as ridiculous as tribalistic thinking on the African soil.

But we still got the commonwealth - if only symbolically . And our near kin in the Antipodes, along with our special relationship with the Yanks. We are also furiously licking Chinese - and even Indian - ass !


TV

You better continue else you will be eaten up by rising nations with which you won't be able to compete - God forbid - if you indeed become little England.

Mindfulness:
In all fairness, everyone on this forum quotes whatever fits their standpoint without questioning the reliability of the sources as long as they buttress his or her opinion. I remember someone quoting 5 or more websites to prove he was right. I took the time to check the soucers and I wasn't surprised by what I found there. The institutions that sponsored the research had ulterior motifs. Objectivity was far from what research should be about.

Even politicians use statistics and 'expert opinions' as it suits them. It's difficult for someone who has not been trained in empirical social research to distinguish between valid, representative and reliable research and research that does not meet the criteria. And I have seen it severally here.

In this day and age, you can find anything to prove your or disprove someone else's claims.

In all fairness everyone has used online sources, citations, and excerpts to back up points honestly at some point.

But smothering Google for days to come up with a reference that African women don't bear their husbands' name is displaying public nudity without the grace of shame.

Coming online with sources that say Africans accepted and endorsed homosexual tradition as a norm is a bewildering discombobulation bodering on witchcraft.

The taboo Africans hold for some certain practices have not been whitled down with time or colonialism.

We understand the "child" seeks the validation life has denied him here but to try to do the absurd is desperation and lunacy in full hoist.

Mindfulness:
The EU parliament is elected by and for the people. It's ironic that people complain that the EU is undemocratic when voter turnout was at less than 50% (42.61% to be precise) in 2014. You don't want to vote but you shout democracy, what now?

Most people don't even know how laws are passed in the EU and look like cars when asked what the institutional triangle is but will repeat like parrots what Boris and Nigel have told them.

What you have written above is only half true and would you have known better, you would not have made such claims.



Another statement that is based on ignorance (no offense). Refugees are not even allowed to leave their state within a country, much less cross borders between countries.



This is the biggest lie ever. Immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out and they create more jobs, directly and indirectly and an aging society like the British one will increasingly depend on immigration.

Not immigrants are responsible for the low standards in your country but your past governments who failed to make medium-term and long-term investments.



Live free? You are no longer free on this continent. Going back to nationalistic concepts is a regression into 19th century thinking. It's as ridiculous as tribalistic thinking on the African soil.



You better continue else you will be eaten up by rising nations with which you won't be able to compete - God forbid - if you indeed become little England.

You're the ignorant one, dear. Makel plans to naturalise most of those aliens and they will eventually have free movement across the entire EU.

Besides what's to stop those extremists sneaking across borders once inside Europe? Was not one of the French bombers from the refugees? You're as sentimental as Markel.

I don't care much for the UK, but opting out of the EU is one of her best decisions ever!

darkenedrebel:
Only thing is I don't have the time to trot out links and sources like you guys.

It is laughable how people can claim with strut that women not wanting to change their surnames to that of their husband's are merely affecting the ways of the Occident, when in fact the name-changing concept is a Western import brought to us by the self-same White men. Now all can see why I donn't even bother arguing or buttressing my points - it is more or less preaching to the choir. This sect only made sense when the likes of jackaal, cooogar etc were around. Now it's filled with little boys that are angry at the world and the White man.

Let me use old Oyo empire as an example: before the advent of the Whites, before colonization, before the missionaries landed on African soil, the woman NEVER took up her husband's name. NEVER!!! That people don't know this beggars description and really questions the validity of the educational system in Nigeria. If the woman's name was Titilayo Owolabi and her husband's name was Adekunle Adewale, she would be adressed in public as: Titilayo, Omo Owolabi, Aya Adewale. Translation: Titi, child of Owolabi, wife of Adewale. She was NEVER adressed as Tilayo Adewale, it is only her children that would now take up the father's name. If anybody doesn't know this and refuses to believe it then let him/her go and buy the history of the Yorubas written by Samuel Johnson or any book at all on Yoruba culture and tradition, or better still conjure the spirit of their dead great great-grand-parents to ask them in person.

It was when the White missionaries came that they brought the whole Mr. and Mrs. concept. Heck! Mr and Mrs are even English words. We did not and still do not have words for Mr and Mrs in Yoruba language, so how can something we do not even have the words for exist in the first place?. You know I'll rather go watch some TV than pursuing this lost cause of trying to proselytize close-minded and arrogantly ignorant fellows. It's pointless and a time-wasting venture IMO

A million likes and huge applause. A large proportion of nigerians are desperately obstinately ignorant and have no desire to learn anything new. I am weary of nairaland these days. Where have all the intellectuals gone

Mindfulness:
I also understand that some women feel very strong about their family's name and wouldn't want to give it up. They have been carrying this name for decades and for one reason or another love it. What's so bad about it?

So, the kids get the hyphenated surname? Or is she going to live forever?

BloodyCrook:
You're the ignorant one, dear. Makel plans to naturalise most of those aliens and they will eventually have free movement across the entire EU.

Source which proves that Merkel plans to "naturalise most of those aliens". i am waiting. Oya!

Besides what's to stop those extremists sneaking across borders once inside Europe? Was not one of the French bombers from the refugees? You're as sentimental as Markel.

And you are as xenophobic as N. Farage.
Was London attacked before or after Merkel let refugees in?
Are we to close all borders because every Muslim is under general suspscion now?
Let us please deport all Nigerians as well, they may all fight for BH.

I don't care much for the UK, but opting out of the EU is one of her best decisions ever!

You are in no way qualified to make this judgment as you have just shown.
First inform yourself properly and profoundly and then talk.

Timbuktou:
So, the kids get the hyphenated surname? Or is she going to live forever?

They may want to adopt the Spanish model or have ten hyphenated names for all I care.

Mindfulness:
They may want to adopt the Spanish model or have ten hyphenated names for all I care.

To appease the memory of a man who couldn't produce sons.

BloodyCrook:
In all fairness everyone has used online sources, citations, and excerpts to back up points honestly at some point.

But smothering Google for days to come up with a reference that African women don't bare their husbands' name is displaying public nudity without the grace of shame.

Coming online with sources that says Africans accepted and endorsed homosexuality traditional as a norm is bewildering discombobulation bodering on witchcraft.

The taboo Africans hold for some certain practices have not been whitled down with time or colonialism.

We understand the "child" seeks the validation life has denied him here but to try to do the absurd is desperation and lunacy in full hoist.

Have you cared to check how reliable those sources are or have you just dismissed them on grounds that they go against what you feel is desirable?

Timbuktou:
To appease the memory of a man who couldn't produce sons.

The man who is her father. And you have just perfectly shown one of the reasons why it's more important to have sons than daughters.


May you all come as women to this world in your next life and be born in a place like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

francis18:
I am a CLASSLESS IDIOT LOW LIFE BITCH,I am a DIRTY MOUTH EVEN ABROAD CANT CHANGE my LOW LIFE SELF PIG ORIENTATION,MY FATHER? AND i amTAKING AFTER my USELESS MOTHER.COME AND STAY,WHO IS THE BIGGER FOOL?REPLY ME AND WATCH ME EXPOSED my PIG SELF.

Oh dear sorry to hear that . Poor you

Mindfulness:
The man who is her father. And you have just perfectly shown one of the reasons why it's more important to have sons than daughters.


May you all come as women to this world in your next life and be born in a place like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

He had his home and I didn't influence his decisions and policies why should he influence mine? Not giving a hoot about your FIL's name is oppression of women. . We can't have it all.


Would I be conscious of my previous life? If not, it would make no difference.

fem29:
Oh dear sorry to hear that

HAHAHAHA I KNEW YOU HAD NOTHING TO OFFER AS I EXPECTED,YOU DIDNT LEAVE AFTER ALL?USELESS CLASSLESS IDIOT.

francis18:
HAHAHAHA I have NOTHING TO OFFER AS EXPECTED, i am a USELESS CLASSLESS IDIOT.

You really need to get help. Nairaland can't help you.

francis18:
ONE OF THE BIMBOS AS IF YOU HAVE EVER SAID ANYTHING INTELLIGENT ON NL EXCEPT MIL AND DIL BROUHAHAHA.
DID HUSBAND LEFT YOU ALREADY? HE IS LOOKING FOR A SUGAR MUMMY AND I SEE YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE.DID YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE EXCEPT SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE HERE?

Lalasticlala

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN I PRESENT TO YOU THE BORED PIG FEM29, AN ABANDONED WIFE WITH TWO KIDS WITH NO LIFE AND LOOKING FOR MY ATTENTION. IF ONLY YOUR BRAIN WAS LOOKING LIKE YOUR FACE YOU WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING MEANINGFUL BUT I TRUST YOUR BIMBO HEAD.COME ON KEEP COMING AND CHANGING MY POSTS AFTER ALL YOU HAVE NO HUSBAND TO GO TO BED TO,SO I MIGHT NEED YOUR USELESS COMPANY.