Scholar8200:

Go ask a Jew what this means:

New International Version
After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One (Messiah) will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
Daniel 9:26

P.S.: Daniel was a Jew of jews!

Scholar8200:
Not true!



Here is ignorance illustrated!!! Prophecy had ended yet God's promise of a Prophet like Moses had not yet being fulfilled!!! Jesus came and clearly pointed out that He was Moses'reference! John 5:46


quote your 'jewish sources' here. Until then, these are your personal assumptions.



Mary came from Nathan's family line; Nathan was David's biological son, what then?

The pharisees must be proud of you! Yet your heroes, the pharisees would lead their sheep for feeding on the sabbath? And the priests would profane the same sabbath and were blameless You do not understand the law. Is making a paste forbidden by the sabbath law? If yes, prove it!

Lilbrown007:
MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel" are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.

Ironically, Isaiah’s prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.

Lilbrown007:
JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation—i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He’ll tell everyone, not just one person.

Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. :


The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy. What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you…" The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

Lilbrown007:
CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.

A. GOD AS THREE?
The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God’s One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.

In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry—one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.

B. MAN AS GOD?
Roman Catholics believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).

Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)

[b]C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?
The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary—i.e. confessing one’s sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."

In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)

D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD
Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.

By contrast, Judaism believes that God created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.

The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don’t retreat from life, we elevate it.

Lilbrown007:

[size=15pt]I Bet U Must Be Happy Not Making Any Sense[/size]

Lilbrown007:

Talking About Taking Things Out Of Context

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Scholar8200:

Why didnt they stone Isaiah when He said His Name shall be called the Mighty God Isaiah 9: 6? or dethrone David when He said the LORD said to my Lord Psalm 110:1?

Yet Joshua bowed down in worship to the Preincarnate Christ. See, why did they not call for the Head of Micah when He said:

2 But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity).
Micah 5:2

ANother LIE there. Who can make this claim for himself:
2 But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity)[b][/b].

Go read Isaiah 6 and see who it was that Isaiah encountered there. Note that the word translated Lord (Adonay) there refers to Jesus Christ:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/6-1.htm



We are not all catholics!

Scholar8200:
[size=17pt]ALright, explain what you have posted in its right context!!![/size]

Lilbrown007:
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Lilbrown007:

Cant You Read??

Lilbrown007:

[size=15pt]Stupidity Is When U Use The Bible Compiled By The Catholic And Claim Now That U Ain't Catholic What Foolishness??[/size]

Scholar8200:
There is a Universe of difference between what the Jews believed and what was written! Dont forget that the coming of the Messiah was linked to the Promise to Abraham that in his Seed, ALL the nation of the World would be blessed! Hence their expectation of a local Messiah was an error! Read the Gospels and see the error introduced by the rabbis!

Scholar8200:
Wisdom is when you study thoroughly before making claims in public!

Your retort here is an eloquent testimony to your shallowness of understanding of the topic at hand, and the one you are about wandering into!

Lilbrown007:

Which Of The Gospel??
Apocalypse of Peter
The Epistle of Barnabas
Infancy Gospel of James
Shepherd of Hermas
1 Clement
Gospel of Thomas
The Didache
Lost Epistle to the Corinthians
Third Letter to the Corinthians etc

Scholar8200:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Lilbrown007:

They Had To Select Gosple That Will Mk It Into The New Testament
of
Apocalypse of Peter
The Epistle of Barnabas
Infancy Gospel of James
Shepherd of Hermas
1 Clement
Gospel of Thomas
The Didache
Lost Epistle to the Corinthians
Third Letter to the Corinthians etc
Cause It Didn't Fit Their View but I would like to read All This Books
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gospels

ValentineMary:

I have read part of the gospel of Thomas. And I heard it was discarded because it potrayed Jesus like a common jewish rabii. In that gospel, Jesus was just a teacher with no miraculous powers or miraculous event.

Lilbrown007:
None of these prophecies have been fulfilled, and all of them speak of the time when Yeshua, the son (prince) of David, becomes the one shepherd, king, and priest of Israel. At that time, much to the shock of Christians who believe they have been delivered from the "curse of the Law" God's Law will be established! Every Christian should read Galatians 3:10-13 right after reading the above prophecies and take notice of the contrast between what God has spoken through His prophets, and what Paul taught.

MrPresident1:


Lilbrown007, I must say I am very much impressed with your knowledge of Bible prophecy, you have used the very right passages to show that the Hebrews/Jews of the Bible are still in exile and it is only the coming of Christ that will see to their regathering. I am very much impressed. Perhaps, this is why you did not answer my questions earlier that you should point to the real Israelites of the Bible which you refused to do.

The fact remains that Israel has not been regathered and any nation that refers to itself as Israel today is fake Israel. The prophecies states that the laws will be written in our hearts meaning that we will lose the ability to sin, we will be re-gathered from wherever we have been scattered to, and David (Jesus Christ) will be our king forever, these are the promises of the MOST HIGH GOD to the true Israel, who happen to be in hell presently.

The fake Jews do not fit these prophecies, and matter of fact Revelations 2:9, 3:9 shows us who these fake Jews are, they will eventually grovel and worship at the feet of the true Israel of God, we are earnestly waiting for that time which will not be long anymore.

Lilbrown007:

The Infancy Of James Was Talking About Jesus As A Little Kid With Miraculous Powers Using For Either Good Or Evil

Scholar8200:
This shows that it was another forgery! Jesus did NO miracles till the Spirit came on Him at age 30!

For example, why would His townsmen be surprised in Matthew 13:54 if He had been doing same as a kid??

So, most of these things could not have a place in the BIble

Lilbrown007:
None of these prophecies have been fulfilled, and all of them speak of the time when Yeshua, the son (prince) of David, becomes the one shepherd, king, and priest of Israel. At that time, much to the shock of Christians who believe they have been delivered from the "curse of the Law" God's Law will be established! Every Christian should read Galatians 3:10-13 right after readi

Lilbrown007:


Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks [size=17pt]shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of [size=17pt]the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary[/size]; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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