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UyiIredia:
I have already proven God in the OP. If that's not satisfactory then you can wait till you die. Then you'll know there's a God for sure when u find yourself in the afterlife.

There is very little difference between christians and 419 fraudsters.


Both of them will promise you heaven but you must make a commitment first based on faith on what they preach.


Why must I die before I see this God? Is your God a sadist? Why does he revel in death? Why can't he see me when I am alive?

UyiIredia:
It's actually one of the arguments I posted earlier on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence

The argument from consciousness: Consciousness is not a physical thing. It's also called awareness and that's not physical. It's not a physical thing that you can observe and measure but is the means by which you observe and measure. It's critical to my argument that consciousness be understood as something immaterial, which it actually is, going by its definition. If you think about it all knowledge stems from consciousness because to truly know anything you must be aware of it. You cannot know what you are not aware of.

Have you considered that consciousness may be a process?

UyiIredia:
Now if atheists are right then there should be no consciousness at all. In a purely physical world consciousness would be the anathema, something strange. But there is consciousness and therefore the atheist is not correct. Consciousness being immaterial cannot be explained by physical means.

Well atheists are right and there is consciousness so where do we go from here? You've simply made an argument from incredulity. Finding it amazing that we're in a physical world and we're conscious doesn't mean you're automatically right in asserting your God.

UyiIredia:
It did not evolve since evolution applies to physical beings. It does not spontaenously emerge because emergence typically deals with how complex PHYSICAL systems arise from simpler precursors. Atheism being materialistic in nature has nothing to offer to explain mental awareness. But the theist believing in an eternal conscious God has a means to explain consciousness. And that my friends wraps up my argument.

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Why couldn't consciousness have evolved? Our close cousins alse express behaviours similar to what we express under certain circumstances. Though we won't consider them as being as conscious as humans are.

How does your God explain consciousness? Mere assertions aren't arguments. How can your God even be conscious without a body? How do you know he is conscious? How does he even know he is conscious?

Is UyiIredia up to something?


MAN RETAINS FULL CONSCIOUSNESS DESPITE LOSING 90% OF HIS BRAIN
http://qz.com/722614/a-civil-servant-missing-most-of-his-brain-challenges-our-most-basic-theories-of-consciousness/



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JackBizzle:
There is very little difference between christians and 419 fraudsters.


Both of them will promise you heaven but you must make a commitment first based on faith on what they preach.


Why must I die before I see this God? Is your God a sadist? Why does he revel in death? Why can't he see me when I am alive?

I don't know. But don't worry. You'll have forever to ask God when you die.

thehomer:
Have you considered that consciousness may be a process?

I have considered it. Consciousness is not a physical process. It is an immaterial effect of a physical process going on in the brain.

thehomer:
Well atheists are right and there is consciousness so where do we go from here? You've simply made an argument from incredulity. Finding it amazing that we're in a physical world and we're conscious doesn't mean you're automatically right in asserting your God.

No they aren't right. I have already said that consciousness runs against materialistic atheism. And because of the immaterial nature of consciousness. Science, in principle, can't explain it as science deals only with the physical.

thehomer:
Why couldn't consciousness have evolved? Our close cousins alse express behaviours similar to what we express under certain circumstances. Though we won't consider them as being as conscious as humans are.

Evolution deals with how physical things change. Consciousness not being physical can't be explained by evolution.

thehomer:
How does your God explain consciousness? Mere assertions aren't arguments. How can your God even be conscious without a body? How do you know he is conscious? How does he even know he is conscious?

Here's the reasoning behind the inference to God as the cause of consciousness.

P1) Humqns are conscious
P2) Conscious beings always come from conscious beings
C) Humans must arise from a non-contingent conscious being.

If it's non-contingent, then its consciousness doesn't need an explanation.

JackBizzle:
Is UyiIredia up to something?


MAN RETAINS FULL CONSCIOUSNESS DESPITE LOSING 90% OF HIS BRAIN
http://qz.com/722614/a-civil-servant-missing-most-of-his-brain-challenges-our-most-basic-theories-of-consciousness/



cc kingebukanaija, hahn, johnydon22, dblackninja, kingebukasblog

This actually supports our argument bro

JackBizzle:
There is very little difference between christians and 419 fraudsters.


Both of them will promise you heaven but you must make a commitment first based on faith on what they preach.


Why must I die before I see this God? Is your God a sadist? Why does he revel in death? Why can't he see me when I am alive?

Smh . When you die , seeing God becomes inevitable because the immaterial part of you - the spirit - connects with God .

Even though the topics are different check out the argument for Gods existence in:

https://www.nairaland.com/3219285/gays-born-gay-kleptomaniacs-born/1

KingEbukaNaija:
This actually supports our argument bro

No, it doesn't. The guy's brain was still functioning. Just functioning with less solid matter than most people

JackBizzle:
No, it doesn't. The guy's brain was still functioning. Just functioning with less solid matter than most people

Jack my boy sorry but that argument supports it and is not against it. Just because you want it to be against it so bad your brain selectively read the article. Did the water in his brain suddenly receive neurons and begin to function like the brain?

Even the flimsy scientifc explanation said, (IT SEEMS) which is simply an imaginative assumption since they found it baffling yet needed an escape route.

JackBizzle:
No, it doesn't. The guy's brain was still functioning. Just functioning with less solid matter than most people

It actually proves consciousness may not even need the brain . Check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2518765/does-consciousness-need-brain#36852221

ifenes:
Being aware/being conscious is eternal. Which means you are the God you are trying to prove exists.

Dalaman , have you seen it ? Even an atheist agrees with me . Consciousness is eternal and is an attribute that has to bequeathed . Nature has a beginning and that invalidates his claim that we are God - the supernatural one .

naijadeyhia:
Jack my boy sorry but that argument supports it and is not against it. Just because you want it to be against it so bad your brain selectively read the article. Did the water in his brain suddenly receive neurons and begin to function like the brain?

Even the flimsy scientifc explanation said, (IT SEEMS) which is simply an imaginative assumption since they found it baffling yet needed an escape route.

Lol....The guy's brain was functioning, wasn't it?


If I drained the liquid from his head, would he be conscious?

KingEbukaNaija:
It actually proves consciousness may not even need the brain . Check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2518765/does-consciousness-need-brain#36852221

No

JackBizzle:
Lol....The guy's brain was functioning, wasn't it?


If I drained the liquid from his head, would he be conscious?

So you are now saying the liquid took over the function of the brain?

KingEbukaNaija:
Dalaman , have you seen it ? Even an atheist agrees with me . Consciousness is eternal and is an attribute that has to bequeathed . Nature has a beginning and that invalidates his claim that we are God - the supernatural one .

Guy, why did you run away from the thread you created? - a lot of questions is waiting for ya there, for example, if the soul lives on after death, where happens to the soul between between the time of death and the time of resurrection?

BlackIsLife:
Guy, why did you run away from the thread you created? - a lot of questions is waiting for ya there, for example, if the soul lives on after death, where happens to the soul between between the time of death and the time of resurrection?

The questions are too many so when I find time I'll answer them . No rush bro .

KingEbukaNaija:
The questions are too many so when I find time I'll answer them . No rush bro .

All right man, goodluck on the search

naijadeyhia:
So you are now saying the liquid took over the function of the brain?

Smh.

I am supporting the scientist's view that the accumulation of liquid was slow enough for the brain to heal itself.

you guys are still on this okay o

let me share my own experience
in 1998 I hung my self and I was gone (sucide) atleast it took 5 mins for me to be rescued
my people,...... I no see anyting o I was gone and gone, no consciousness atall
my neighbor told me that after they held me and cut the rope I screamed back to life I dint even no when I screamed

so abeg you guys should tell me something else

KingEbukaNaija:
Dalaman , have you seen it ? Even an atheist agrees with me . Consciousness is eternal and is an attribute that has to bequeathed . Nature has a beginning and that invalidates his claim that we are God - the supernatural one .

So I should accept that consciousness is eternal just because you said so and an atheist agrees with you? Well done.

Consciousness is not a physical thing. You are right. It's a Spirit in the Class of Life. It's the Feeling Angel in the Main Spirit(Life). Awareness is a Spirit Angel in the Class of another major Spirit(Faith). As Spirits and Angels, these are not at all physical but are feelings and thoughts by which you observe and measure other immaterial things(Abstracts and Spirits their names), such as, Instructions, Directions, Discernments, Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding and many more other superlative Spirits that came with the physical Man through the Big Bang. I believe that you have just scratched the Spirit by Consciousness and Awareness. So please leave Atheists alone, for they know nothing. I have left them alone since I know they know nothing and their arguements always bland.

UyiIredia:
I have considered it. Consciousness is not a physical process. It is an immaterial effect of a physical process going on in the brain.

No, it is subjective but is still a physical process.

UyiIredia:
No they aren't right. I have already said that consciousness runs against materialistic atheism. And because of the immaterial nature of consciousness. Science, in principle, can't explain it as science deals only with the physical.

You can say that all you want, but you're still wrong.

UyiIredia:
Evolution deals with how physical things change. Consciousness not being physical can't be explained by evolution.

You're confusing the subjective nature of consciousness with the process itself. You do realize that consciousness is available in stages.

UyiIredia:
Here's the reasoning behind the inference to God as the cause of consciousness.

P1) Humqns are conscious
P2) Conscious beings always come from conscious beings
C) Humans must arise from a non-contingent conscious being.

If it's non-contingent, then its consciousness doesn't need an explanation.

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. There's no talk about non-contingent conscious beings in your premises.

How does your second premise explain your God? Which conscious being did he come from? Besides, the sperm and egg aren't conscious but the human at a certain point in its development is conscious. Thus your second premise is the failure that keeps on failing.

On a side note, I always find it fascinating how your God keeps on retreating into areas still under investigation by science.

KingEbukaNaija:
This actually supports our argument bro

No it doesn't.

naijadeyhia:
Jack my boy sorry but that argument supports it and is not against it. Just because you want it to be against it so bad your brain selectively read the article. Did the water in his brain suddenly receive neurons and begin to function like the brain?

It is against your God having anythign to do with consciousness. The cerebrospinal fluid wasn't acting like the brain and note that he had below average IQ. It really counters your theory about a sould remote-controlling a body,

naijadeyhia:
Even the flimsy scientifc explanation said, (IT SEEMS) which is simply an imaginative assumption since they found it baffling yet needed an escape route.

Looks like you're not familiar with how scientists hedge their statements rather than issuing proclamations like you're used to seeing with your God who has often been wrong.

Christians!!!!!!

You have tried, but please forget for ever about Atheists. They will never stop arguing for nothing. It's a neurosis. As for the two words you tried to redefine for us, they are derivatives from the Breath of God(Conscience) in humans that gave us Life to feel and act. Awareness is beholden. It's believe in what you see when your eyes open and you can actually believe in. Seeing is believing. So Consciousness is Life and is parented, patented if you wish, by the Spirits of Discernment and Understanding. Awareness, on the other hand, is Faith and is parented by the Spirits of Riches and Wealth. Anything opposite of these are satanic and are for the Atheists. They didn't come with the Big Bang, the Nuclear Fission Evolution of The Supreme Spirit.

thehomer:
No, it is subjective but is still a physical process.

If it is then one can observe consciousness via the senses. Do you agree this is the case?

thehomer:
You can say that all you want, but you're still wrong.

Meh.

thehomer:
You're confusing the subjective nature of consciousness with the process itself. You do realize that consciousness is available in stages.

I'm not confusing anything. Consciousness as experienced is different from the neural processes that account for it.

thehomer:
Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. There's no talk about non-contingent conscious beings in your premises.

How does your second premise explain your God? Which conscious being did he come from? Besides, the sperm and egg aren't conscious but the human at a certain point in its development is conscious. Thus your second premise is the failure that keeps on failing.

It follows. Conscious beings come from conscious beings therefore conscious humans arise from a non-contingent conscious being. I've already explained that the reason it's non-contingent is because it should require no explanation.

thehomer:
On a side note, I always find it fascinating how your God keeps on retreating into areas still under investigation by science.

Science can't answer all questions. There are some things that science in principle can never answer e.g. aesthetic questions

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UyiIredia:
If it is then one can observe consciousness via the senses. Do you agree this is the case?

Yes.

UyiIredia:
Meh.



I'm not confusing anything. Consciousness as experienced is different from the neural processes that account for it.

And at which point does your God come in?

UyiIredia:
It follows. Conscious beings come from conscious beings therefore conscious humans arise from a non-contingent conscious being. I've already explained that the reason it's non-contingent is because it should require no explanation.

No that doesn't follow. Your conclusion should be that humans come from conscious beings. You're smuggling stuff in that shouldn't be there.

You didn't explain anything, you merely smuggled in an assertion. You've not explained how your God managed to arise from a non-conscious being. Secondly, humans come from non-conscious sperm and egg.

UyiIredia:
Science can't answer all questions. There are some things that science in principle can never answer e.g. aesthetic questions

Is your God an aesthetic question? Why does he keep retreating to areas still under investigation?