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The guy foolishness big pass am.. perhaps he has not witnessed military regime.. Even if buharu is lame...coup or military rule us not an option.. at all

Quakertellicus1:
The coup appears to be winding down. In a way, it is good news for the country of Turkey, as the democratic setup, imperfect though it seems (and i am not an Erdogan fan by the way) has survived.This is important.

The best military rule is worse than the worst democratic rule.

If you want change in your country, you have to work for it. That is one of the benefits of democracy. Military rule is not a solution.

u lied by saying that d best military rule is worse than d worst democratic regime now let me ask u dis question do u think nigerians under democracy were better than libyans under ghaddafis military rule look let's stop deceiving ourselves with that whitemans invention called democracy it is not in our dna what we need is a one man show that have the interest of the masses at heart and u see us growing like libya when Ghaddafi died the american dollar was useless compared to the libyan dinar their Gdp was d highest in africa and what have we achieved with our useless democracy instead unemployment rate have grown to almost 90 percent since d military left our currency have dropped to lowest level

chidozieikeji2:
u lied by saying that d best military rule is worse than d worst democratic regime now let me ask u dis question do u think nigerians under democracy were better than libyans under ghaddafis military rule look let's stop deceiving ourselves with that whitemans invention called democracy it is not in our dna what we need is a one man show that have the interest of the masses at heart and u see us growing like libya when Ghaddafi died the american dollar was useless compared to the libyan dinar their Gdp was d highest in africa and what have we achieved with our useless democracy instead unemployment rate have grown to almost 90 percent since d military left our currency have dropped to lowest level

1.Ghaddafi was not a good leader for Libya. A good leader always allows for the fact that he or she is not the only person that can save the country.

Once a leader thinks that he or she can save the country from all evil...that leader has to go. Power has gotten to his or her head. Such a leader is dangerous.

2.Ghaddafi used oil money to import stuff. And he could. Libya had 5 million people and until the war broke out produced up to four times more oil than Nigeria....and Nigeria has 170million people. That is why Ghaddafi could loot the money in the world and provide lots of goodies for the people.

Strong countries are not countries like Libya that import all the stuff they need with oil money. Storng countries are countries that can manufacture most of their needs. Remember what King Gezo of Dahomey said nearly 200 years ago. He that makes the gunpowder wins the war. Did Ghaddafi make the gunpowder? After 40 years in power.....all the weapons Ghaddafi had were imported. And he went to war against the makers of the weapons.....people who know how their weapons work, and how to counter them. Is that good leadership.

Abeg.....stop looking for a hero. Africa does not need hero leaders. Africa needs leaders who are ready to work with the people to make our nation stronger. We need leaders who are also ready to appreciate that power is not their personal property too.

Democracy is better. Army rule messed us up here in Nigeria. Better wake up. I don't think you would want to live under a dictator. No matter how nice. Hitler was a good dictator. See how many people died under his regime....and everything worked then!

BetaThings:


Everybody faced the topic until you were overcome by your inherent hate for Islam
Apartheid was a vile policy so recognised worldwide
"In 40 years, there might be due to x and that proves my point"
Who argues likes this?

No sociologist will argue that there is only one possible source of insecurity

So according to your own projections, all forms of instability in SA can be traced to Muslim immigrants
No wonder some misguided South Africans were killing other African immigrants
I don't blame Boko Haram on immigrants - the problem is homegrown

I wonder if Ukrainians are blaming immigrants

You are really an overzealous religious fanatic and you are starting to act illogical as expected from your kind. As I have said before, the topic is about Islam influence in world instability. You are the one who said I was gloating about ( i guessed, coz that's what i mentioned) our Muslims being moderates and most tolerant in the world. Hence my response to future risk pertaining to Muslim threats. We are not talking about anything else. Please apartheid is not part of the topic. Focus man!

I don't hate Muslims, please drop the " they hate us" victim card

deliveryboy:
. Hello sir, your observations are not correct, the terrorists in France were French and Belgian citizens. Please verify your facts before you make it public. If you did this in your workplace it could get you in big trouble with your manager.

den have u cared to ask urself who indoctrinated them and also have u cared to ask why all diz are happening @ the same time that there is massive influx of syrian refugees into europe my broda dat was why we protested when the govt wanted to transfer boko haram prisoners to anambra because when they are brought in they will now teach pple dat committed minor offence evil and also give them contacts when they are released they will now unleash terror on the society where as the main convicts that indoctrinated them are still in prison, that is wat is happening in europe now the islamic militants used the pretence of being refugees and entered europe and taught european youths terrorism and now european youths now resorted to terrorism I predicted this when they were entering and now it have started happening europe is in big mess and this may linger on for many years because to defeat terrorism is not a year job and moreover u can reduce terrorism but cannot remove it entirely once it starts anywhere

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Zwchicka:


I know this is off topic but why do south africans like to blame foreigners for everything. Was it not just last week that two south african muslim brothers were arrested for allegedly planning to attack US and Jewish targets in South Africa and disrupting local government elections ? What about the 4 south african terrorist suspects arrested in Jhb this week for alleged terrorist related activities? Those cases of south african muslims who were stopped from flying out of the country while trying to join syria Isis sec? Not to mention the few terrorist attacks attempts in Cape Town by local muslim's ? Was it not just last month that the Usa and Uk issued warnings to SA about terrorist attacks threats ? It appears you don't even know what's going on around you but you talking about 40 years and blaming Somali and the likes while your own country men are slowly but surely been infiltrated with Islamist extremist doctrine ! You all better wake up. Like Boko Haram didn't start in one day. All these small warnings should be taken seriously and curbed before
things get out of hand.

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Before you get all excited about anything South African, please refer to my initial statements on this topic then you'll have a clear picture of my assertions.

You are right about one thing which validates my point that, no Muslim is safe from fundamentalists influences, South African or otherwise.

CFCman:

Yes.
It's the colonels who are behind the coup attempt.
I'm also hearing that the Turkish police are still loyal to Erdogan while some parts of the military are in favor of the coup attempt

who is police when the military roll out tanks

chidozieikeji2:
the only thing we enjoy in democracy is freedom of speech and to express our rights but those things have withered awayy now if u protest they shoot u, pple are detained without trial, pples homes are vandalised in the name of searching without court warrant, court orders have been thrown into dustbin now answer me is that democracy take note we are in military rule now d only difference is that our oga wears agbada just watch and see before next election u will see how pples rights will be violated we are seeing these ones when elections have never reached how will it now be when election draws near

We will see.

Quakertellicus1:


1.Ghaddafi was not a good leader for Libya. A good leader always allows for the fact that he or she is not the only person that can save the country.

Once a leader thinks that he or she can save the country from all evil...that leader has to go. Power has gotten to his or her head. Such a leader is dangerous.

2.Ghaddafi used oil money to import stuff. And he could. Libya had 5 million people and until the war broke out produced up to four times more oil than Nigeria....and Nigeria has 170million people. That is why Ghaddafi could loot the money in the world and provide lots of goodies for the people.

Strong countries are not countries like Libya that import all the stuff they need with oil money. Storng countries are countries that can manufacture most of their needs. Remember what King Gezo of Dahomey said nearly 200 years ago. He that makes the gunpowder wins the war. Did Ghaddafi make the gunpowder? After 40 years in power.....all the weapons Ghaddafi had were imported. And he went to war against the makers of the weapons.....people who know how their weapons work, and how to counter them. Is that good leadership.

Abeg.....stop looking for a hero. Africa does not need hero leaders. Africa needs leaders who are ready to work with the people to make our nation stronger. We need leaders who are also ready to appreciate that power is not their personal property too.

Democracy is better. Army rule messed us up here in Nigeria. Better wake up. I don't think you would want to live under a dictator. No matter how nice. Hitler was a good dictator. See how many people died under his regime....and everything worked then!

Dude you are mixing things. Africa, Nigeria would be better of with Military in Power if and only if they the head has the masses interests at heart.

If an administration is tackling corruption or something, you wil one of the people shouting witch hunting. If Buhari was head of state in this present administration, there would have been 100s of corrupt politicians shot by firing squad and no house or whatever will stop the move and thats exactly what Nigeria needs. If you guys are waiting for a God sent democratic president to fix Nigeria, you are wasting your time.

ollah1:


Dude you are mixing things. Africa, Nigeria would be better of with Military in Power if and only if they the head has the masses interests at heart.

That happens like....one in a billion times.

Armies are made up of .....people. You know, those schemers, greed machines, etc....Same stock that produces the democrats.

If an administration is tackling corruption or something, you wil one of the people shouting witch hunting

I am not part of the ''winch hunt crew'' o!

If you are corrupt, you are corrupt. Finito.

.

If Buhari was head of state in this present administration, there would have been 100s of corrupt politicians shot by firing squad and no house or whatever will stop the move and thats exactly what Nigeria needs. If you guys are waiting for a God sent democratic president to fix Nigeria, you are wasting your time.

Sure...I would be happy that a lot of corrupt people have gone (and Buhari by the way did not use firing squads back in the 80's)....but that still won't be right.

Thing about democracy, it ain't perfect. But it provides the best environment for something called rule of law. And that is achieved by a gradual process....and by functioning independent legal institutions(which army rule does not guarantee).Not by one man rule that runs the risk of turning into despotism (Idi Amin started out by getting rid of the corrupt elite...and then in two years it went on to dealing with opponents brutally. Then oppressing the people.Uganda is still recovering).

Me, I am not a fan of PDP . Or APC. But...I will take 20 years of corrupt PDP rule over 20 years of benevolent military dictatorship. Because army rule never ends well.And under democracy, I have a chance to change the system peacefully.

NairaMinted:
Sultan Erdogan fanboys, where are thou?

Erdogan's plate was full: repression of the press and heavy handed crackdown on freedom of speech, providing aid jihadists in Syria and Iraq and allowing them free unhindered access through Turkey, illegal cross border incursions into Syria and Iraq, the genocidal crackdown on Kurds where several Kurish cities were wiped out, shooting down a Russian jet which in turn tanked the economy when Russian tourists stopped visiting and the general instability that Erdogan's actions brought upon his country are all possible reasons why these brave military officers have staged this coup

Erdogan's apology to Putin and his move to seek a detente in relations with Russia and step back from his ill-advised and delusional goals came too late. Good riddance!

CC: Zoharariel, Appleyard, Scully95

THE GUY IS CRAZY.

OohLalah:


You are really an overzealous religious fanatic and you are starting to act illogical as expected from your kind.

Do you want to have a meaningful and beneficial discussion or you want to just haul insults
Yes, I remember - Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction

OohLalah:

As I have said before, the topic is about Islam influence in world instability.

And it is clear that you don't know history
Before you talk about the future, study history and you will make more sense

OohLalah:

You are the one who said I was gloating about ( i guessed, coz that's what i mentioned) our Muslims being moderates and most tolerant in the world. Hence my response to future risk pertaining to Muslim threats. We are not talking about anything else. Please apartheid is not part of the topic. Focus man!

We have issue of instability from the Niger Delta - you think it is less of a problem
Are Muslim immigrants responsible for the disaster in South Sudan?

OohLalah:

I don't hate Muslims,

Actually it does not matter either way
Your opinions are not original
You have been listening to too much propaganda
I know people who would express opinions about Islam that need to be taken seriously

OohLalah:
please drop the " they hate us" victim card

People can hate us provided we deserve it
But propagandists project a view point based on distortion of facts and their uncritical followers lap it all up and can now pronounce on issues
Mandela was a terrorist in the books of the US when George Bush jnr was president
Did they hate him then? Did he deserve it?

Black Lives matter are just looking for a bogeyman!
You need to read some books
To start with take a look at
"How propaganda works"

OohLalah:




Before you get all excited about anything South African, please refer to my initial statements on this topic then you'll have a clear picture of my assertions.

You are right about one thing which validates my point that, no Muslim is safe from fundamentalists influences, South African or otherwise.

Lol dont flatter yourself. There is nothing about south africa that can make me excited. You knew all this yet and i quote " I know that in 40 years time things might change not because of SA Muslim s but the heavy influx of Somalis, Pakistanis, Egyptians etc". I was just responding to your hypocrisy thats all

Anyways i do agree with your last paragraph.

chidozieikeji2:
den have u cared to ask urself who indoctrinated them and also have u cared to ask why all diz are happening @ the same time that there is massive influx of syrian refugees into europe my broda dat was why we protested when the govt wanted to transfer boko haram prisoners to anambra because when they are brought in they will now teach pple dat committed minor offence evil and also give them contacts when they are released they will now unleash terror on the society where as the main convicts that indoctrinated them are still in prison, that is wat is happening in europe now the islamic militants used the pretence of being refugees and entered europe and taught european youths terrorism and now european youths now resorted to terrorism I predicted this when they were entering and now it have started happening europe is in big mess and this may linger on for many years because to defeat terrorism is not a year job and moreover u can reduce terrorism but cannot remove it entirely once it starts anywhere

If there is a massive influx of Syrian refugees, how many terror attacks traceable to these guys have you seen?
If these terrorists are home grown and are pledging allegiance to ISIS, you think they would still not attack?
Were attacks in the US the result of Syrian refugees
We should analyse issues and control for variables that have no relationship
When did the Syrian war start? When did we start have refugee? (immediately) When did attack on France start?

Some points - people can be indoctrinated through the internet - Awlaki did, ISIS is doing so
So who taught the IRA?
In any developed country, the ability of the Army to wage war also shapes the ability of civilians to employ technology to kill
Civilians used Molotov cocktail during WWII, who taught them?
American civilians are flying drones around, what makes you think these will not be used for combat purposes in the event of public disorder
The countries where they use date rape drugs are mostly countries advanced in technology and science

Again why are we so bothered about massive influx of refugees from war torn Syria (linked to the problem in Iraq) while we are comfortable with massive influx of African illegal immigrants into Europe, many perishing at sea

NairaMinted:
Sultan Erdogan fanboys, where are thou?

Erdogan's plate was full: repression of the press and heavy handed crackdown on freedom of speech, providing aid jihadists in Syria and Iraq and allowing them free unhindered access through Turkey, illegal cross border incursions into Syria and Iraq, the genocidal crackdown on Kurds where several Kurish cities were wiped out, shooting down a Russian jet which in turn tanked the economy when Russian tourists stopped visiting and the general instability that Erdogan's actions brought upon his country are all possible reasons why these brave military officers have staged this coup

Erdogan's apology to Putin and his move to seek a detente in relations with Russia and step back from his ill-advised and delusional goals came too late. Good riddance!

CC: Zoharariel, Appleyard, Scully95

Look how stupid you are made to look now!The turkish people are wiser than you are(they know that the worst form of democracy is better than the best form of millitary regime).That is why they put aside their partisanship to chase away those impostors camouflaging as the saviours of the people.

BetaThings:


If there is a massive influx of Syrian refugees, how many terror attacks traceable to these guys have you seen?
If these terrorists are home grown and are pledging allegiance to ISIS, you think they would still not attack?
Were attacks in the US the result of Syrian refugees
We should analyse issues and control for variables that have no relationship
When did the Syrian war start? When did we start have refugee? (immediately) When did attack on France start?

Some points - people can be indoctrinated through the internet - Awlaki did, ISIS is doing so
So who taught the IRA?
In any developed country, the ability of the Army to wage war also shapes the ability of civilians to employ technology to kill
Civilians used Molotov cocktail during WWII, who taught them?
American civilians are flying drones around, what makes you think these will not be used for combat purposes in the event of public disorder
The countries where they use date rape drugs are mostly countries advanced in technology and science

Again why are we so bothered about massive influx of refugees from war torn Syria (linked to the problem in Iraq) while we are comfortable with massive influx of African illegal immigrants into Europe, many perishing at sea

Well done!

Keep teaching!

chidozieikeji2:
the only thing we enjoy in democracy is freedom of speech and to express our rights but those things have withered awayy now if u protest they shoot u, pple are detained without trial, pples homes are vandalised in the name of searching without court warrant, court orders have been thrown into dustbin now answer me is that democracy take note we are in military rule now d only difference is that our oga wears agbada just watch and see before next election u will see how pples rights will be violated we are seeing these ones when elections have never reached how will it now be when election draws near

All civilian administration in Nigeria has shot protesters - Jonathan did when people protested fuel price hike
Jonathan teargassed national assembly members
Buhari searched Dasuki's house with a warrant, but nobody wanted to listen to that
No government has ever placed a poor man under house arrest or searched his house with a warrant but nobody complains

IPOB members burnt 6 Dangote trucks at Onitsha during a "peaceful" protest

We can call for a military regime, but we must think through the consequences
There is no voting it out

daniska3yaro:
Putin,I know his silence will cough out something deadly,he loves the art of using illusion to do things,war is not only fought by weapons bt by strategist ideas.
The new order is falling pieces by pieces.

Guy l just love the way you sum it up. Nice right up bro.

Ideas to your brain box

Zwchicka:


You knew all this yet and i quote " I know that in 40 years time things might change not because of SA Muslim s but the heavy influx of Somalis, Pakistanis, Egyptians etc". I was just responding to your hypocrisy thats all

Anyways i do agree with your last paragraph.

It was not meant in that way perhaps i did put it the right way. My point was that Muslims were a tiny minority in SA who were also moderates and tolerant but with heavy influx of other Muslims from more radical countries the fundamentalists influence risk is much greater than it would have been. Not denying the fact that every Muslim has a huge potential of being an extremist regardless. This is what we've seen in France, UK and other European countries which had pockets of Muslims before but heavy inflow of Islamic migrants had huge influence on current Islamic extremism in these countries.

Hope it clarifies my " hypocrisy" as you say.

BetaThings:


If there is a massive influx of Syrian refugees, how many terror attacks traceable to these guys have you seen?
If these terrorists are home grown and are pledging allegiance to ISIS, you think they would still not attack?
Were attacks in the US the result of Syrian refugees
We should analyse issues and control for variables that have no relationship
When did the Syrian war start? When did we start have refugee? (immediately) When did attack on France start?

Some points - people can be indoctrinated through the internet - Awlaki did, ISIS is doing so
So who taught the IRA?
In any developed country, the ability of the Army to wage war also shapes the ability of civilians to employ technology to kill
Civilians used Molotov cocktail during WWII, who taught them?
American civilians are flying drones around, what makes you think these will not be used for combat purposes in the event of public disorder
The countries where they use date rape drugs are mostly countries advanced in technology and science

Again why are we so bothered about massive influx of refugees from war torn Syria (linked to the problem in Iraq) while we are comfortable with massive influx of African illegal immigrants into Europe, many perishing at sea

people are indoctrinated easily through face to face contact than the internet secondly attack in the us is also influenced by this refugee crisis because europeans find it easy to move into america and adopt to the society so broda do u think america is safe when european youths are indoctrinated,they are not safe because doz europeans can enter easily into american territory and cause havoc because of smooth imigration policies they share so bro get it to your head that 90 percent of the crisis in europe is as a result of the european crisis and from ur analysis is like u are a graduate of intl relations

BetaThings:


All civilian administration in Nigeria has shot protesters - Jonathan did when people protested fuel price hike
Jonathan teargassed national assembly members
Buhari searched Dasuki's house with a warrant, but nobody wanted to listen to that
No government has ever placed a poor man under house arrest or searched his house with a warrant but nobody complains

IPOB members burnt 6 Dangote trucks at Onitsha during a "peaceful" protest

We can call for a military regime, but we must think through the consequences
There is no voting it out

boy ipob burnt lorries when the military started shooting at innocent protesters how do u expect pple to be peaceful wen u shoot at dem

Quakertellicus1:


That happens like....one in a billion times.

Armies are made up of .....people. You know, those schemers, greed machines, etc....Same stock that produces the democrats.





I am not part of the ''winch hunt crew'' o!

If you are corrupt, you are corrupt. Finito.

.

Sure...I would be happy that a lot of corrupt people have gone (and Buhari by the way did not use firing squads back in the 80's)....but that still won't be right.

Thing about democracy, it ain't perfect. But it provides the best environment for something called rule of law. And that is achieved by a gradual process....and by functioning independent legal institutions(which army rule does not guarantee).Not by one man rule that runs the risk of turning into despotism (Idi Amin started out by getting rid of the corrupt elite...and then in two years it went on to dealing with opponents brutally. Then oppressing the people.Uganda is still recovering).

Me, I am not a fan of PDP . Or APC. But...I will take 20 years of corrupt PDP rule over 20 years of benevolent military dictatorship. Because army rule never ends well.And under democracy, I have a chance to change the system peacefully.

who told u that u can change it with ur vote if not for jonas cowardice u think such will ever happen anyway let's watch and see how u will change ur oga who have inflicted hunger on the masses

Quakertellicus1:


That happens like....one in a billion times.

Armies are made up of .....people. You know, those schemers, greed machines, etc....Same stock that produces the democrats.





I am not part of the ''winch hunt crew'' o!

If you are corrupt, you are corrupt. Finito.

.

Sure...I would be happy that a lot of corrupt people have gone (and Buhari by the way did not use firing squads back in the 80's)....but that still won't be right.

Thing about democracy, it ain't perfect. But it provides the best environment for something called rule of law. And that is achieved by a gradual process....and by functioning independent legal institutions(which army rule does not guarantee).Not by one man rule that runs the risk of turning into despotism (Idi Amin started out by getting rid of the corrupt elite...and then in two years it went on to dealing with opponents brutally. Then oppressing the people.Uganda is still recovering).

Me, I am not a fan of PDP . Or APC. But...I will take 20 years of corrupt PDP rule over 20 years of benevolent military dictatorship. Because army rule never ends well.And under democracy, I have a chance to change the system peacefully.

who told u that u can change it with ur vote if not for jonas cowardice u think such will ever happen anyway let's watch and see how u will change our oga who have inflicted hunger on the masses in 2019

OohLalah:


It was not meant in that way perhaps i did put it the right way. My point was that Muslims were a tiny minority in SA who were also moderates and tolerant but with heavy influx of other Muslims from more radical countries the fundamentalists influence risk is much greater than it would have been. Not denying the fact that every Muslim has a huge potential of being an extremist regardless. This is what we've seen in France, UK and other European countries which had pockets of Muslims before but heavy inflow of Islamic migrants had huge influence on current Islamic extremism in these countries.

Hope it clarifies my " hypocrisy" as you say.

Madam your assertion that every Muslim is a potential terrorist is wrong and a flawed one. visit Islam against extremism.com to research the truth and don't judge and reach a conclusion based on some propaganda and the activities of some deranged Muslims.

chidozieikeji2:
people are indoctrinated easily through face to face contact than the internet secondly attack in the us is also influenced by this refugee crisis because europeans find it easy to move into america and adopt to the society

Let us base the analysis on facts

The attackers in the US were mostly brought up in America
The Syrian issue cannot be exploited the same way the Iraqi matter can
America started the problem in Iraq and a journalist threw shoes at Bush to demonstrate how the Iraqis understood the problem
America dd not start the war in Syria
Why should most refugees (grateful for the opportunity for another life) bring insecurity and possible deportation to themselves by supporting terror

Go and study the methods of ISIS and its history today - it is in decline and there will be attacks like the ones in Nice similar to the actions of a snake with its head severed

chidozieikeji2:
so broda do u think america is safe when european youths are indoctrinated,they are not safe because doz europeans can enter easily into american territory and cause havoc because of smooth imigration policies they share so bro get it to your head that 90 percent of the crisis in europe is as a result of the european crisis and from ur analysis is like u are a graduate of intl relations

So we should just believe that Americans are so stupid
I see enough propaganda even in Nigeria. Did you believe that the guy that was murdered in Italy was fleeing Boko Haram?
Was that not what was reported in the press?
I don't need to get an analysis that is not up to scratch into my head
I can read English - I am better of reading more enlightened materials and authoritative commentaries

Missy89:
Ankara just fell. It is officially over.

I dnt get u missy, is it dt d coup was successful or wat?

BetaThings:


Do you want to have a meaningful and beneficial discussion or you want to just haul insults
Yes, I remember - Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction


And it is clear that you don't know history
Before you talk about the future, study history and you will make more sense



We have issue of instability from the Niger Delta - you think it is less of a problem
Are Muslim immigrants responsible for the disaster in South Sudan?


Actually it does not matter either way
Your opinions are not original
You have been listening to too much propaganda
I know people who would express opinions about Islam that need to be taken seriously


People can hate us provided we deserve it
But propagandists project a view point based on distortion of facts and their uncritical followers lap it all up and can now pronounce on issues
Mandela was a terrorist in the books of the US when George Bush jnr was president
Did they hate him then? Did he deserve it?

Black Lives matter are just looking for a bogeyman!
You need to read some books
To start with take a look at
"How propaganda works"

You know, if you were taking everything I said as pertaining on to the topic at hand you would clearly see that we are agree on many levels than we disagree.

Your only bone of contention is that I mentioned Islamic extremism as a risk to the world,among other risks but in this particular topic we are talking about Islamic conflicts.

Again I didn't say all other conflicts don matter but those are discussions for another day.

South Africa by the way has the biggest controversial allies ( as per the West) in Africa than any other African country. Palestine, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Cuba, Russia, China to mention a few. We are not easily influenced by media propaganda and know our history very well hence our stance on international politics.

Btw, Mandela was a " terrorist" according to the definition and labels of the West. We are not ashamed but proud of being called "terrorists" if that's what it takes to fight injustice for the betterment of our country and its people, black, white or grey.


As Mandela said, "we dont care whether the cat is black or white as long as it catches the mice". We will strive for the best for all and leave labeling with you.

BetaThings:

Let us base the analysis on facts

The attackers in the US were mostly brought up in America
The Syrian issue cannot be exploited the same way the Iraqi matter can
America started the problem in Iraq and a journalist threw shoes at Bush to demonstrate how the Iraqis understood the problem
America dd not start the war in Syria
Why should most refugees (grateful for the opportunity for another life) bring insecurity and possible deportation to themselves by supporting terror


Go and study the methods of ISIS and its history today - it is in decline and there will be attacks like the ones in Nice similar to the actions of a snake with its head severed




So we should just believe that Americans are so stupid
I see enough propaganda even in Nigeria. Did you believe that the guy that was murdered in Italy was fleeing Boko Haram?
Was that not what was reported in the press?
I don't need to get an analysis that is not up to scratch into my head
I can read English - I am better of reading more enlightened materials and authoritative commentaries

That's the refugee tragedy. They flee from ISIS and on arrival to the countries they fled to, they are suspected of being ISIS.

A friend told me yesterday that she read in a newspaper about a child who was asked if there were any immigrants in his nursery and the child innocently answered: "No, only children."

It moved me to tears.

Amoto94:
Madam your assertion that every Muslim is a potential terrorist is wrong and a flawed one. visit Islam against extremism.com to research the truth and don't judge and reach a conclusion based on some propaganda and the activities of some deranged Muslims.

Sir, i never labelled them as terrorist but extremists. Whether this sits well with you or not, it's Muslims that gets influenced and act on Jihadist calls not Jews etc. Also get this well, violence and conflicts are not only restricted to Muslim extremism only but we are talking about Islamic extremism right now.

Turkish Prime Minister Yildirim: "Any country that protects Fethullah Gulen will be an enemy to Turkey."
(He lives in Pennsylvania)

chidozieikeji2:
boy ipob burnt lorries when the military started shooting at innocent protesters how do u expect pple to be peaceful wen u shoot at dem

I have not really been involved in a protest that confronts the Army before
Honestly, I really don't know
But I would like to win the battle of the bullets and the battle of the minds
How would people in the North react to the burning of Dangote trucks when they were shot by Nigerian Army?
They are not likely to see IPOB v NA, but IPOB v North

So I believe that this is a damaging point against IPOB

chidozieikeji2:
den have u cared to ask urself who indoctrinated them and also have u cared to ask why all diz are happening @ the same time that there is massive influx of syrian refugees into europe my broda dat was why we protested when the govt wanted to transfer boko haram prisoners to anambra because when they are brought in they will now teach pple dat committed minor offence evil and also give them contacts when they are released they will now unleash terror on the society where as the main convicts that indoctrinated them are still in prison, that is wat is happening in europe now the islamic militants used the pretence of being refugees and entered europe and taught european youths terrorism and now european youths now resorted to terrorism I predicted this when they were entering and now it have started happening europe is in big mess and this may linger on for many years because to defeat terrorism is not a year job and moreover u can reduce terrorism but cannot remove it entirely once it starts anywhere

Thank you! That was my point.