dolphinheart:

did Jesus claim to be god ? no
when he asked his disciples who he is, what did the disciples say? you are son of the living god! they said.

do the Jews believe in Jesus ? no
so it it right to view reaction of the Jews who don't believe in Jesus as the basis for believing that Jesus said he is god? no
did Jesus he and the father are of one nature and essence? no
did Jesus say his disciples will become one with him? Yes
does this mean they will become Jesus? no
did they want to stone Jesus cus he said he was god? no
did they want to stone Jesus cus he indicated he was older and existed before Abraham? Yes
did the Jews think Jesus is less than 50 years old and thus he did not exist before Abraham? Yes

THIS THRUTHS AS STATED ABOVE CANNOT BE REFUTED!

lie lie twister of words dolphinheart, read the article again and this time believe the scriptures given

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dolphinheart:


JOHNW74, IF YOU AT ANYTIME CUT PART OF MY POSTS OFF AGAIN WHEN QUOTING ME SO AS TO PROPA GATE YOUR WARPED WAY OF RESPONDING , I WILL FORCED TO RESPOND IN A CORRECTIONAL MANNER!

pls pls pls, don't cut parts of my post off! don't modify my words and dnt give my words your own warped explanations while removing , omitting , cutting off mine. pls pls pls, for the last time I beg you! stop using those bad traits!

lie lie dolphinheart your lying is making you hysterical

dolphinheart:

did I say "a two headed god"? no!

Yes, you did say "a two headed god"

lie lie dolphinheart cannot stop lie lying

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


And what about this one lie lie, ummm wonder why you never mentioned this again

dolphinheart:


was I talking about God and Jesus when I showed you about your god ? no

Yes lie lie you was talking about God and Jesus

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


Jesus is the truth and is the exact likeness of His Father God
false jw is a liar and is the exact likeness of his father the devil

Jesus said to the pahrisees:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

More facts people should know about the sect that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses
and how the organization is entrenched in lies



Read here

U didn't read my post very well, you have gone ahead to understand what?

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In case you want to use Phil 2: 9 which says : " (King James Bible) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
pls you will need to add extra info so that all will know that the spirit is guiding you. You need to tell us

who ask you to reinterpret it?? You see yourself,quoting a translation you claimed was corrupted. Have you ever seen me quote new word translation or are you too ashamed of quoting it? You yourself answered yourself by that verse.

1. who gave him(jesus) that name
2. what is the name of the person that gave jesus that name
3. what was the name of jesus before being given that name
4. when did this name giving occur
5. looking at the statement "and given him a name which is above every name", pls tell us, is jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?

how does these questions disprove the verse that say Jesus is glorified as the highest over all and his name has the same authority as the name "Jehovah" has in the old testament?

[s]PLS READERS, NOTICE IF HE WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO RESPOND TO THIS ABOVE QUESTIONS.[/s]

sir, your question comes from a twisted motive, but I will give you an answer straight from the scriptures, moreover, if you had read the scriptures I quoted to you, you might not have asked this question.

so funny and deceptive. U want to answer me from scripture u don't believe in.

I had quoted this verses to you(and I'm now underlining the important issues about evala sting life.
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered usual to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
IF YOU COULD READ THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE SOLITE3 AND YOU CANT DIDUCE WHO REALLY HAD THE POWER TO GIVE EVALASTING LIFE, THEN THEIR IS LITTLE MORE I CAN DO!

you are funny sha! It is clear you don't even know what you are doing most of the time but just trying to impress yourself and your fellows

[

s]For a simple answer to your question, jesus is not the only person that has power to give eternal life, [/s]so I do not believe that only jesus can give eternal life.

John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in me should not perish but have everlasting life.
If you deny christ , there will be nothing the father can do to help you!
The father directs people to the son because that's the only way they can be saved. The father is in the son and the son in the father.

jesus himself was resurrected by someone else, that one has the power to give eternal life
I do believe that man can only gain everlasting life through jesus and his father(the only true god)- John 17:3 .

look at what Jesus said
Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given unto mein heaven and in earth[/b] so dolphinsheart who has all power in heaven and in earth? He that believeth not in the son does not have life.

It is only through jesus christ that man has been given the chance by god to gain evala sting life!- John 3:16, John 6:40
Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself [u]given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
john 12:50And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, [u]I speak just as the Father has told me.”
If I'm wrong, pls let's here your views!

you are totally wrong! Knowing God means everlasting life yes but you cannot know God until you know Christ himself that's y he said knowing God and Jesus. Its like a network have you ask yourself why is everything through christ ? Because Christ himself he is the word, he is the one true reflection of God and he himself is God.
God's commandment is for all to know his son because that's the only way we can know him.
Only Jesus can save because the father has given him that authority. If for example you meet the father to save you he will direct you to the son because God's ability to save you lies in the son.

I do not go beyond the scriptures , the scriptures is very clear about who gave jesus to mankind and why he gave jesus to mankind, it is also clear about who gave the person jesus his names!

the scripture is so clear but you keep on twisting it. Jesus is the one and only saviour of mankind and your rants can't change that. That person who gave Jesus the name has given him all authority why these rants?

my organization can't give anyone eternal life, but it can guide you to the one god has ordained to give us evalasting life. so I do believe gods own witness that everlasting life is in christ, we cannot gain evalasting life without him!

your organization guide one to where? D blind leading the blind, Jesus does not know anything called organization

does simply believing in christ make one have eternal life? no , so I don't believe they have eternal life through him cus they simply believe in christ.

@ bold wow you are lost! @ red he that believe in Christ has eternal life already

[b]Joh 6:27 Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
luke 10:27,28 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep DOING this and you will get life.”
solite3, faith without works is dead!

you skipped John 6:29 And I quote
Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I believe jesus was a man, I do not believe jesus is a man and god!.
1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh[b] but made alive in by the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption[/b]

you believe Jesus was a man,but no longer is! Is a clear contradiction of what scriptures says.[/quote] matt 24:39 Jesus said he is not a spirit.
@bold compare with Romans 8:8,10
Does it mean Christians are spirits? Flesh and blood it said but Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones. If Jesus is not a man then he cannot be a priest for men heb 5:1-6

they believe the following scriptures :
Joh 17:3 This means everla,sting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 3:16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:27Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”[/b]
now solite3, do you believe the scriptures above?

do I believe in christ ? Yes !
lemme add some of my belief's about christ
1. I believe he was sent by god
2. I believe we can gain everlasting life through him
3. I believe he was anointed by god
4. I believe he is sitting at the right hand of the almighty God
5. I belive he the one sent to be our saviour
6. I believe he is the son of God
7. I believe he is subjected to god and does the will of his father
8. I believe him when he said the father is our his god
9. I believe him when he said the father is our God

you do not at all. If you understood and really believed what you wrote you would not be arguing with me

do you agree with my beliefs!

when you don't know what you are saying

have I denied who the son really is?no
is the son the same person as the father? noooooo!

you mention scriptures , but you can't eXplain then, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.

SOME SCRIPTURES FROM MY LAST POST WHICH YOU COULD NOT RESPOND TO
first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”[/b]

WHAT DID Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
[b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/blue] when we pray for you,

ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Everybody is waiting for you to quote his post where he said so, you like accusing people and making unnecessary noise. Are you a baby?

johnw74:
To all of false jw dolphinhearts above confusion and continued and repeated twisting of words which is lies,
and to the lengthy posts designed to get away from the simple matter at hand, and that is that false jw dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god".

lie lie is playing on words, which is lying, he uses every means of lying known,
he said he didn't say God and the Word is a two headed god, while using words that mean the same thing,
it's just another way of lying,
so lets use his exact words.


The opening post was about John 1:1, and God and the Word, and the Word being God

You lie lie dolphinheart said:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

You are talking off "God and Jesus",

and you said: "if you make Jesus to be that same God"

as John 1:1 makes Jesus to be that same God, and as the opening post is about

"then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



Of course it's very clear to all except those entrenched in lies, that you were referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god", but twist your words some more lie lie, and tell me who you are calling "a two headed god" if not the Word being that same God, if not Jesus being that same God.

Who was you referring to as "a two headed god" if not God and the Word?

Truth doesn't require a long and evasive post,
just a honest answer, like:

I was referring to "God and the Word" being a two headed God
or
I was referring to "Tom and Jerry" being a two headed god.

Once you ask questions or don't go with their beliefs you'll be labeled and atheist or a jw.

tempem:

Kai.. Uncle.
Did I ever mention to you that am a Witness?
Know this in your heart, and let it ring.
You could see how I broke down
John 1:1 and John 1:14.. using clear, truthful words to back up the write up.
Which you honestly agree to.
Just later on.. You left the last part. And dropped long list of other verses.
Am not arguing whether Jesus is God or not. I did want to know. Isn't that simple a request?

johnw74

johnw74:




The Father is the only
true God,
so is the Son,

are you confused or I assume you don't know what you are doing , that you write " ONLY " and decide to smuggle Jesus and another person , His Father into the word "ONLY" not only show you are promoting a false ideology but it further reveal that you hate the truth and you are desperate to promote your lies



------ I evidently believe that the last line " So is the Son " is a direct addition by johnw74 and not according to the scriptures .

according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3

but according to the diluted teachings of johnw74 , Jesus is wrong , its actually the Father and also his son too !

john, you have a very long way to go.

they are two persons and One God

johnw74 , I want u to answer me - which of these two statement is scriptural.

" For us, there is One God the Father " . composed of one person, the Father (A)

" For Us, there is one God, the Father and his son " composed of two persons, father and son (B)

A or B ?

You think he will give you a straightforward answer? He will come in the night and dodge the post and rather call you names, i wonder the type of person he is.

Barristter07:
johnw74



are you confused or I assume you don't know what you are doing , that you write " ONLY " and decide to smuggle Jesus and another person , His Father into the word "ONLY" not only show you are promoting a false ideology but it further reveal that you hate the truth and you are desperate to promote your lies



------ I evidently believe that the last line " So is the Son " is a direct addition by johnw74 and not according to the scriptures .

according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3

but according to the diluted teachings of johnw74 , Jesus is wrong , its actually the Father and also his son too !

john, you have a very long way to go.







johnw74 , I want u to answer me - which of these two statement is scriptural.

" For us, there is One God the Father " . composed of one person, the Father (A)

" For Us, there is one God, the Father and his son " composed of two persons, father and son (B)

A or B ?

Another proof of Jesus divinity as God was Paul himself referring to Jesus as our great God and savour in titusv2:13.
Titus 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
In this verse Paul explicitly referred to Jesus as our great God and saviour. This totally agreed with John 1:1 and a host of others.

solite3:
Another proof of Jesus divinity as God was Paul himself referring to Jesus as our great God and savour in titusv2:13.
Titus 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
In this verse Paul explicitly referred to Jesus as our great God and saviour. This totally agreed with John 1:1 and a host of others.

A better rendering puts it this way, Titus 2:13 while we wait for the happy hope+ and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ, and this is in line with other passages of the Bible,like John 17:3 e.t.c

If not that satan blind people, 2 Corinthian 4:3-4,3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things*+ has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,+ so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,+ might not shine through. For someone to pretend to believe in God yet compare him with his Son is a continuous jamboree. Jesus Christ never wanted to confuse people but felt humans would be wise enough to deduce his message.
Did John 1:1 mean that Jesus merge with his father Jehovah to form one person? Compare John 17 :22
New International Version
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one--

New Living Translation
"I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.

English Standard Version
The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,

Berean Study Bible
I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one--

Berean Literal Bible
And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, so that they may be one, as We are one--

New American Standard Bible
"The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

King James Bible
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I have given them the glory You have given Me. May they be one as We are one.

International Standard Version
"I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

NET Bible
The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one, so when I Andy ask you to meet my son at home and that we are one, don't think we are one person with two heads

goodnews201668:
You think he will give you a straightforward answer? He will come in the night and dodge the post and rather call you names, i wonder the type of person he is.

goodnews201668:
Everybody is waiting for you to quote his post where he said so, you like accusing people and making unnecessary noise. Are you a baby?

Put your dummy back in false jw

We should ask ourselves what sort of person are you? You are the first to start mocking, and you are the first to winch about someone.
As soon as John74 turns his back, here is you laying in your boots and kicking the man while he is down. goodnews201668 himself who says nothing good about anybody.
At least give John74 a good pat on his back, he speaks out with a clear mind and he speaks the truth about you JW's, not like you, you don't say any truth about anybody?

goodnews201668:
You think he will give you a straightforward answer? He will come in the night and dodge the post and rather call you names, i wonder the type of person he is.

Barristter07:
johnw74



are you confused or I assume you don't know what you are doing , that you write " ONLY " and decide to smuggle Jesus and another person , His Father into the word "ONLY" not only show you are promoting a false ideology but it further reveal that you hate the truth and you are desperate to promote your lies

lie lie barristter

hey copycat, we have been showing that it's false jw that hates the truth and who is absolutely full of lies,
but you love to lie and falsely accuse, we know that also

and you don't believe the Bible or understand it, John 1:1 shows that Father and the word is God, and we know God is one, they are also seperate persons, but you don't understand any of that neither can you with the spirit that's in you

God is one as you don't know, not two, not a almighty god and a mighty god

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
^^^
that's true of course, and of course you don't believe it.

Barristter07:


------ I evidently believe that the last line " So is the Son " is a direct addition by johnw74 and not according to the scriptures .

according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3

but according to the diluted teachings of johnw74 , Jesus is wrong , its actually the Father and also his son too !

john, you have a very long way to go.

yes the Word is God, that's what John 1:1 says and what many scriptures say, which you don't believe, and which you have changed to your peril

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


and again, John 1:1 says the Word is God and again of course you don't believe the Bible, except for your corrupted version of it.

Barristter07:


johnw74 , I want u to answer me - which of these two statement is scriptural.

" For us, there is One God the Father " . composed of one person, the Father (A)

" For Us, there is one God, the Father and his son " composed of two persons, father and son (B)

A or B ?

your "A" statement is wrong, scripture says there is one God the Father, it doesn't say God is composed of one person as your twisted statement
says

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

this verse shows that the Father is the one God, it doesn't show that the Son is not the one God also, Christians know that God is one, in fact Jesus in that verse is called "Lord" which is "kurios", meaning supreme in authority, "God"
and Jesus said:
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

and of course John 1:1 shows that your "B" statement is correct
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

however we know that you won't and cannot understand or believe the truth, you need to have the Truth in you
your elders and witchpower choose which ones you are to believe and not believe.

and many scriptures show that Jesus is God, which I have posted more than once, but you neither know the father or the son or the scriptures, or believe the truth,

but you false jw glory in your lies, that is clear.

Barristter07:
johnw74


------ I evidently believe that the last line " So is the Son " is a direct addition by johnw74 and not according to the scriptures .

according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3

but according to the diluted teachings of johnw74 , Jesus is wrong , its actually the Father and also his son too !

john, you have a very long way to go.

lie lie barristter

The Lord Jesus Christ is not wrong lie lie barristter, you misquoted the Lord
you add and take away from God's inspired Bible
God said not to add or take away from anything He says:

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

You both add and take away from John 1:1
taking away "God" and adding "a god"


And you have done it here also, twisting and changing what the Lord Jesus said in 17:3
He did not say: "ONLY the Father is the true God"

Jesus said: "the only true God"
Jesus referred to the Father as: "the only true God" which He of course agrees with John 1:1,
the Father being "the only true God" and the Word being "the only true God", two persons and "the only true God"
not two false god's, a almighty god and a mighty god as false jw believe in

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:1 it shows that the Father and the Word is "the only true God", two persons


Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The verse which lie lie barristter twisted, shows that eternal life is in knowing the Father and the Son,
not just the Father, but the Father and the son
In other words for those with eyes to see (Christians), eternal life is in knowing God.

The Lord Jesus referred to the Father as "the only true God", you lie lie barrister twisted that verse to say "ONLY the Father is the true God"

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is not suprising to me that you misquote Jesus like that,
you are the original lie lie,
aren't you lie lie barristter

The sect that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians,
they have changed John 1:1 for instance, in their corrupted book to say: the word was "a God"

God's inspired Bible says: the Word was "God"

false jw believe in a false jesus, a false god, "a god",
a mighty god and a almighty god, two gods

they have a false jesus, they deny the Son, they have not the Father also.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

false jw deny the son saying He is "a god"

Christians acknowledge the Son saying He is "God"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


false jw is a liar

false jw is antichrist



1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

no man can say Jesus is the Lord "kurios" God, supreme in authority, except by the Holy Ghost

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father


Jesus said about the pharisees (the false religious sect of Jesus day) - who are the false jw religious sect of today:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

solite3:
U didn't read my post very well, you have gone ahead to understand what?

I Did read you post very well, you asked some questions which I answered using the scriptures as a guide. I've asked you some questions which as usual, you refused to answer. Some of those questions will be pointed out to you again!

who ask you to reinterpret it?? You see yourself,quoting a translation you claimed was corrupted. Have you ever seen me quote new word translation or are you too ashamed of quoting it? You yourself answered yourself by that verse.

1. you are famous for cutting parts of someone's post off when replying, trying to make it look as if the poSt is in incomplete. This bad trait in inherent in you, pls stop it!
below are the parts you deliberately removed when quoting me:
" I'll first like to talk about that part you scratched off in my post you quoted.
I said :" they have gone ahead to understand that someone gave that name, who gave that name and why it is giving ".
you decided to scratch that statement probably because you could not respond to it!
Jesus is an heir, someone who sits at the right hand of the most high(he sits there, not cus of his own volition, but because the most high commanded him to), yet you want me to believe that his name is the highest in heaven and on earth? higher above the person who exalted him? who gave him the name?
This you asked me to do without giving surporting evidence!, only one whose aim is to twist the scriptures does that!

2. I belive I have a right to quote a verse or verses from any translation that I feel translated that verse correctly, or is there a law that stipulates the translations one must use or is allowed to use?

how does these questions disprove the verse that say Jesus is glorified as the highest over all and his name has the same authority as the name "Jehovah" has in the old testament?

1. could you provide us with this the verse that says " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.
or is this statement(the underlined) based on your understanding of a particular verse and the verse did not actually say so!
EVERYONE PLS NOTE, SOME WILL SAY THE SCRIPTURES SAY SOME THING, BUT WILL NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH THE VERSE SUCH STATEMENT IS MADE. EVEN WHEN THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH A VERSE OR VERSES, PLS CHECK WELL AND YOU WILL REALISE THAT WHAT THEY SAID AND WHAT THE VERSE(S) ACTUALLY SAID ARE DIFFERENT. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN ADDING WORDS TO THE SCRIPTURES!

2. The questions are quite easy to answer, the answers will help others to know if what you are saying is true anD not some false teachings that can't stand examination.
Therefore here are the questions again :
In case you want to use Phil 2: 9 which says : " (King James Bible) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
pls you will need to add extra info so that all will know that the spirit is guiding you. You need to tell us
1. who gave him(Jesus) that name
2. what is the name of the person that gave Jesus that name
3. what was the name of Jesus before being given that name
4. when did this name giving occur
5. looking at the statement "and given him a name which is above every name", pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?
PLS READERS, NOTICE IF HE WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO RESPOND TO THIS ABOVE QUESTIONS

so funny and deceptive. U want to answer me from scripture u don't believe in.

you are funny sha! It is clear you don't even know what you are doing most of the time but just trying to impress yourself and your fellows

sir, I do believe the scriptures I quoted to you and I do know what I'm doing, herd are the scriptures again:
had quoted this verses to you(and I'm now underlining the important issues about evala sting life.
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
IF YOU COULD READ THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE SOLITE3 AND YOU CANT DIDUCE WHO REALLY HAD THE POWER TO GIVE EVALASTING LIFE, THEN THEIR IS LITTLE MORE I CAN DO!

[ John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in me should not perish but have everlasting life.
If you deny christ , there will be nothing the father can do to help you!
The father directs people to the son because that's the only way they can be saved. The father is in the son and the son in the father.

you yourself could see that your explanation of John 3:16(out of all the verses quoted to you) does not say only Jesus has the power to give everlasting life.
yes it's true, Jesus is the way, no other way to God!.

look at what Jesus said
Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given unto mein heaven and in earth[/b] so dolphinsheart who has all power in heaven and in earth? He that believeth not in the son does not have life.

hope you read the John 17: 3 that I pointed you to. hope you read what Jesus said there.

let's look at matt 28:18
New International Version
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
English Standard Version
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Berean Study Bible
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
New American Standard Bible
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
International Standard Version
Then Jesus approached them and told them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
American Standard Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority....
English Revised Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

those translations quoted Jesus as saying all authority has been given to him, the question one should now ask is,
1.WHO GAVE JESUS THIS AUTHORITY?
2. DOES THIS AUTHORITY MAKE HIM SUPERIOR TO THE ONE WHO GAVE HIM THE AUTHORITY?
3. AS THE VERSE SAYS " ALL AUTHORITY", DOES IT MEAN THAT THE ONE WHO GAVE JESUS ALL AUTHORITY NO LONGER HAS ANY?
hope you can give us answers to this questions!

For those who want answers, this verses will help notice the underlined)
[b]Eph 1:17-22
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18. He has enlightened the eyes of your heart, so that you may know to what hope he called you, what glorious riches he holds as an inheritance for the holy ones,
19 and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
20. which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and KINDLY GAVE HIM the name that is above every other name,

Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand,[/b]

you are totally wrong! Knowing God means everlasting life yes but you cannot know God until you know Christ himself that's y he said knowing God and Jesus. Its like a network have you ask yourself why is everything through christ ? Because Christ himself he is the word, he is the one true reflection of God and he himself is God.
God's commandment is for all to know his son because that's the only way we can know him.
Only Jesus can save because the father has given him that authority. If for example you meet the father to save you he will direct you to the son because God's ability to save you lies in the son.

1. you say I'm totally wrong , but you refuse to see the scriptures I mentioned , talk less of quoting and and explaining it. Does the scriptures say something different from what I said?
It is only through jesus christ that man has been given the chance by god to gain evala sting life!-
[b] Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

**1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.
10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
john 12:50And I know that his commandment means everlasting life.[/b] So whatever I speak, [u]I speak just as the Father has told me.”
pls solite3, tell how what I said(in green above) is different from the scriptures I quoted to support it!

2. pls tell, did those who where declareD righteous before Jesus came to earth know Jesus?, does that stop them from getting everlasting life?

3. why is everything through christ?
Ac 17:31[u]Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed,[/u] and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

the scripture is so clear but you keep on twisting it. Jesus is the one and only saviour of mankind and your rants can't change that. That person who gave Jesus the name has given him all authority why these rants?

Ac 5:31 God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ac 13:23According to his promise, from the offspring of this man, God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus.
1Ti 4:10This is why we are working hard and exerting ourselves, because we have rested our hope on a living God, who is a Savior of all sorts of men, especially of faithful ones.
jude 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.
We know Jesus is our savior , but we also know the one who sent him to come and save us!

your organization guide one to where? D blind leading the blind, Jesus does not know anything called organization

so all Christian organizations on earth is false abi?

@ bold wow you are lost! @ red he that believe in Christ has eternal life already
you skipped John 6:29 And I quote
Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

not mentioning John 6:29 does not mean the other verses I quoted are wrong. not quoting it does not invalidate the other verses I quoted!

Joh 6:27 Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
luke 10:27,28 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep DOING this and you will get life.”
does this scriptures above not show you that you have to do more than just believing in christ to be saved!

**Mt 24:13But the one who has endured to the end will be saved
Lu 21:19By your endurance you will preserve your lives.
Heb 10:36For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.

you believe Jesus was a man,but no longer is! Is a clear contradiction of what scriptures says. matt 24:39 Jesus said he is not a spirit.

you should have quoted that verse to show us it said Jesus is not a spirit!
[b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT.

@bold compare with Romans 8:8,10
Does it mean Christians are spirits? Flesh and blood it said but Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones. If Jesus is not a man then he cannot be a priest for men heb 5:1-6

Christians are not spirits while they are flesh, read up what the scriptures said happens at resurrection.
pls quote those scriptures so that everyone can examine it with what you say.

you do not at all. If you understood and really believed what you wrote you would not be arguing with me
when you don't know what you are saying

do I believe in christ ? Yes !
lemme add some of my belief's about christ
1. I believe he was sent by god
2. I believe we can gain everlasting life through him
3. I believe he was anointed by god
4. I believe he is sitting at the right hand of the almighty God
5. I belive he the one sent to be our saviour
6. I believe he is the son of God
7. I believe he is subjected to god and does the will of his father
8. I believe him when he said the father is our his god
9. I believe him when he said the father is our God
solite3, do you agree with those beliefs?
If I say I believe those things I said, you are not in a position to say I do not. And if you still insist, pls let's handle the nine things I mentioned one by one. let's start with number 1 anD tell why you feel I don't believe that!

ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Maybe that is why you mention scriptures , but you can't eXplain then, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.

SOME SCRIPTURES FROM MY LAST POST WHICH YOU COULD NOT RESPOND TO
first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”[/b]

WHAT DID Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
[b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/blue] when we pray for you.

andymoorey:
A better rendering puts it this way, Titus 2:13 while we wait for the happy hope+ and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ, and this is in line with other passages of the Bible,like John 17:3 e.t.c

solite is right, in Titus 2:13 the great God is our Saviour Jesus Christ

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;



Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;


Again the Word (Jesus Christ) is called the great God

And the title "LORD OF LORDS" is further showing that the Word of God is indeed God

solite3:
Another proof of Jesus divinity as God was Paul himself referring to Jesus as our great God and savour in titusv2:13.
Titus 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
In this verse Paul explicitly referred to Jesus as our great God and saviour. This totally agreed with John 1:1 and a host of others.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

the Word smites rules and punishes the nations with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God

the Word's wrath is the wrath of almighty God



the Word is called the Almighty here:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

It's clear that it's Jesus being spoken of
verse 7 he comes with clouds
and they also which pierced Him

it's Jesus speaking "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending"
John the Revelator added: which is to come the Almighty

a few verses down it is made clear that it's Jesus speaking:

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Johnw74

johnw74:


[s]
lie lie barristter

hey copycat, we have been showing that it's false jw that hates the truth and who is absolutely full of lies,
but you love to lie and falsely accuse, we know that also

and you don't believe the Bible or understand it, John 1:1 shows that Father and the word is God, and we know God is one, they are also seperate persons, but you don't understand any of that neither can you with the spirit that's in you

God is one as you don't know, not two, not a almighty god and a mighty god

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
^^^
that's true of course, and of course you don't believe it.





yes the Word is God, that's what John 1:1 says and what many scriptures say, which you don't believe, and which you have changed to your peril

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


and again, John 1:1 says the Word is God and again of course you don't believe the Bible, except for your corrupted version of it.
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Totally out of the jurisdiction of this discussion, the question is if the Father is the ONLY true God, do u know that adding his son constitute a misuse of the word " ONLY. " ?

ONLY
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only
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adverb
1.
and no one or nothing more besides; solely.

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This confirms you are wrong and have misused the word only, Only fits a sole description NOT two , any objection ?

your "A" statement is wrong, scripture says there is one God the Father, it doesn't say God is composed of one person as your twisted statement
says

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

this verse shows that the Father is the one God, it doesn't show that the Son is not the one God also, Christians know that God is one, in fact Jesus in that verse is called "Lord" which is "kurios", meaning supreme in authority, "God"
and Jesus said:
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

and of course John 1:1 shows that your "B" statement is correct
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

however we know that you won't and cannot understand or believe the truth, you need to have the Truth in you
your elders and witchpower choose which ones you are to believe and not believe.

and many scriptures show that Jesus is God, which I have posted more than once, but you neither know the father or the son or the scriptures, or believe the truth,

but you false jw glory in your lies, that is clear.

*Laughter* , to evade a vital point , u capitalise your defence on my statement which are not even in quote. oNLY the scriptural verses are in quote , while the emphasis are added by me to clarify that scripture. What a weak defence.

To help your level of comprehension. I will ask again , this time in a manner u will be able to comprehend.

which of these two statements are scriptural


" For us , there is ONE GOD the Father " - (A)


" For us , there is ONE God, the Father and his son" - B

A or B ?

Johnw74

johnw74:




lie lie barristter

The Lord Jesus Christ is not wrong lie lie barristter, you misquoted the Lord
you add and take away from God's inspired Bible
God said not to add or take away from anything He says:

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

You both add and take away from John 1:1
taking away "God" and adding "a god"


And you have done it here also, twisting and changing what the Lord Jesus said in 17:3
He did not say: "ONLY the Father is the true God"

Jesus said: "the only true God"
Jesus referred to the Father as: "the only true God" which He of course agrees with John 1:1,
the Father being "the only true God" and the Word being "the only true God", two persons and "the only true God"
not two false god's, a almighty god and a mighty god as false jw believe in

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:1 it shows that the Father and the Word is "the only true God", two persons


Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The verse which lie lie barristter twisted, shows that eternal life is in knowing the Father and the Son,
not just the Father, but the Father and the son
In other words for those with eyes to see (Christians), eternal life is in knowing God.

[size=28] The Lord Jesus referred to the Father as "the only true God", [/size] you lie lie barrister twisted that verse to say "ONLY the Father is the true God"

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is not suprising to me that you misquote Jesus like that,
you are the original lie lie,
aren't you lie lie barristter

Yes @ bold . Jesus refer to the Father as the ONLY true God , do u know the meaning of ONLY ? Do you ? Its time you expose yourself

andymoorey:
A better rendering puts it this way, Titus 2:13 while we wait for the happy hope+ and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ, and this is in line with other passages of the Bible,like John 17:3 e.t.c

is this your translation again How come you people are always either ignoring scriptures or quoting translations that favour you or at worse reinterpret it in accordance to your imaginations. No sir you are totally wrong! There is only one person who Christians are waiting for I.e Jesus Christ, he is the one Paul called our great God and saviour. Hahahaha. God said we shouldn't add or remove from his word well, here you are

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1. you are famous for cutting parts of someone's post off when replying, trying to make it look as if the poSt is in incomplete. This bad trait in inherent in you, pls stop it!
below are the parts you deliberately removed when quoting me:
" I'll first like to talk about that part you scratched off in my post you quoted.
I said :" they have gone ahead to understand that someone gave that name, who gave that name and why it is giving ".
you decided to scratch that statement probably because you could not respond to it!
Jesus is an heir, someone who sits at the right hand of the most high(he sits there, not cus of his own volition, but because the most high commanded him to), yet you want me to believe that his name is the highest in heaven and on earth? higher above the person who exalted him? who gave him the name?
This you asked me to do without giving surporting evidence!, only one whose aim is to twist the scriptures does that!

pls shorten your posts thank you.
Believe me or not this wat philippians says
2:9 wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name.
The name Jesus is the one the Father has chosen.

2. I belive I have a right to quote a verse or verses from any translation that I feel translated that verse correctly, or is there a law that stipulates the translations one must use or is allowed to use?

you are free to quote from any translation but don't say it is wrong because it does not support your ideology.

1. could you provide us with this the verse that says " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.
or is this statement(the underlined) based on your understanding of a particular verse and the verse did not actually say so!

philippians 2: 9-11
9. God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name:
10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth
11. And every tongue should that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them: for I the LORD am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children from first to the forth generation of them that hate me.
But now the father is commanding all creation to bow down to the name of Jesus!

2. The questions are quite easy to answer, the answers will help others to know if what you are saying is true anD not some false teachings that can't stand examination.
Therefore here are the questions again

what is false from what I have said so far? Pls point one.:

[[b]color=blue]In case you want to use Phil 2: 9 [/b]which says : " (King James Bible) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
pls you will need to add extra info so that all will know that the spirit is guiding you. You need to tell us

@ bold so u are afraid that I might quote philippians 2:9
and I did. Let me add extra info. Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given me in heaven and in earth

1. who gave him(Jesus) that name

God

2. what is the name of the person that gave Jesus that name

Yahweh

3. what was the name of Jesus before being given that name

Yahweh

4. when did this name giving occur

don't u read your bible
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right]5. looking at the statement "and given him a name which is above every name", pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?[

the name Jesus is the only name the father has endorsed. Jesus and his father are one John 10:30
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s]PLS READERS, NOTICE IF HE WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO RESPOND TO THIS ABOVE QUESTIONS[/color][/s]

I believe I have answered your question. Dolphinsheart

sir, I do believe the scriptures I quoted to you and I do know what I'm doing, herd are the scriptures again:
had quoted this verses to you(and I'm now underlining the important issues about evala sting life.
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
IF YOU COULD READ THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE SOLITE3 AND YOU CANT DIDUCE WHO REALLY HAD THE POWER TO GIVE EVALASTING LIFE, THEN THEIR IS LITTLE MORE I CAN DO!

didn't you read that the father has committed all Judgments to the son? Didn't you read John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall neither perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Do you see that Jesus has the power to give eternal life to whom he wished.

you yourself could see that your explanation of John 3:16(out of all the verses quoted to you) does not say only Jesus has the power to give everlasting life.
yes it's true, Jesus is the way, no other way to God!.

I used the word 'only' because the father can only give eternal life to those who are in Christ, God leads people to Christ so that They will be saved. So Jesus is the one that gives life. That's wat the father has ordained.the only thing God can do for you is to bring you to christ.

hope you read the John 17: 3 that I pointed you to. hope you read what Jesus said there.

yes very well. Jesus said that the father is the only true God. This is to distinguish him from other false gods in operation this does not apply to Christ because he is not another god but one with God.

let's look at matt 28:18
New International Version
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
English Standard Version
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Berean Study Bible
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
New American Standard Bible
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
International Standard Version
Then Jesus approached them and told them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
American Standard Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority....
English Revised Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

those translations quoted Jesus as saying all authority has been given to him, the question one should now ask is,
1.WHO GAVE JESUS THIS AUTHORITY?
2. DOES THIS AUTHORITY MAKE HIM SUPERIOR TO THE ONE WHO GAVE HIM THE AUTHORITY?
3. AS THE VERSE SAYS " ALL AUTHORITY", DOES IT MEAN THAT THE ONE WHO GAVE JESUS ALL AUTHORITY NO LONGER HAS ANY?

I believe you have technically agreed with me. If Jesus has all authority both in heaven and on earth it means Jesus is operating with the authority of the most high who is the father that means Jesus is occupying the highest place this totally agrees with the scripture. The father and the Son are operating in this authority together but in Christ Jesus. Do you understand?
hope you can give us answers to this questions!

For those who want answers, this verses will help notice the underlined)
[b]Eph 1:17-22
[u]that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18. He has enlightened the eyes of your heart, so that you may know to what hope he called you, what glorious riches he holds as an inheritance for the holy ones,
19 and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
20. which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and KINDLY GAVE HIM the name that is above every other name,

Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand,[/b]

1. you say I'm totally wrong , but you refuse to see the scriptures I mentioned , talk less of quoting and and explaining it. Does the scriptures say something different from what I said?
It is only through jesus christ that man has been given the chance by god to gain evala sting life!-
[b] Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

**1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.
10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
john 12:50And I know that his commandment means everlasting life.[/b] So whatever I speak, [u]I speak just as the Father has told me.”
pls solite3, tell how what I said(in green above) is different from the scriptures I quoted to support it!

2. pls tell, did those who where declareD righteous before Jesus came to earth know Jesus?, does that stop them from getting everlasting life?

3. why is everything through christ?
Ac 17:31[u]Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed,[/u] and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

u didn't answer me. Why does God do everything through Christ? Even exalting Christ name above all names if Christ himself is not God.
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right]1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.[/

I av addressed this before


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b]Ac 5:31 God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ac 13:23According to his promise, from the offspring of this man, God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus.
1Ti 4:10This is why we are working hard and exerting ourselves, because we have rested our hope on a living God, who is a Savior of all sorts of men, especially of faithful ones.
jude 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.[/b]
We know Jesus is our savior , but we also know the one who sent him to come and save us!

do you even know the meaning of right hand?


[

s]so all Christian organizations on earth is false abi?[/s]

Christianity is not organization. No christian church can tell you its the one true church if there is any then it is false.

not mentioning John 6:29 does not mean the other verses I quoted are wrong. not quoting it does not invalidate the other verses I quoted!

[]Joh 6:27 Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
luke 10:27,28 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep DOING this and you will get life.”
does this scriptures above not show you that you have to do more than just believing in christ to be saved!

**Mt 24:13But the one who has endured to the end will be saved
Lu 21:19By your endurance you will preserve your lives.
Heb 10:36For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.[/b]

your failure to quote John 6 : 29 showed you are a deceitful
Jesus clearly said what he meant by 'work' which means to believe in him.
Simple faith in Christ is what saves. Dolphinsheart the thief on the cross that got saved which work did he do?

you should have quoted that verse to show us it said Jesus is not a spirit!
[b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT.

do you believe Jesus when he said he is not a spirit yes or no?
The second Adam abi? What is the meaning of Adam? Was Adam a spirit being? The spirit of Christ is a life giving spirit. But Christ is not spirit but he possesses both spirit and body. But unlike the first Adam his, is a life giving spirit.

Christians are not spirits while they are flesh, [/quot] you mean when they are alive
[quote]read up what the scriptures said happens at resurrection.
pls quote those scriptures so that everyone can examine it with what you say.

on resurrection day will Christians become spirits

do I believe in christ ? Yes !
lemme add some of my belief's about christ
1. I believe he was sent by god
2. I believe we can gain everlasting life through him
3. I believe he was anointed by god
4. I believe he is sitting at the right hand of the almighty God
5. I belive he the one sent to be our saviour
6. I believe he is the son of God
7. I believe he is subjected to god and does the will of his father
8. I believe him when he said the father is our his god
9. I believe him when he said the father is our God

but you deny that he is God that he is just an angel naw

solite3, do you agree with those beliefs?
If I say I believe those things I said, you are not in a position to say I do not. And if you still insist, pls let's handle the nine things I mentioned one by one. let's start with number 1 anD tell why you feel I don't believe that!



Maybe that is why you mention scriptures , but you can't eXplain then, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.

SOME SCRIPTURES FROM MY LAST POST WHICH YOU COULD NOT RESPOND TO
first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”[/b]

WHAT DID Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
[b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/blue] when we pray for you.]

dolphinsheart I pray your eyes be opened before its too late

Barristter07:
Johnw74




Totally out of the jurisdiction of this discussion, the question is if the Father is the ONLY true God, do u know that adding his son constitute a misuse of the word " ONLY. " ?

ONLY
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only
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adverb
1.
and no one or nothing more besides; solely.

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This confirms you are wrong and have misused the word only, Only fits a sole description NOT two , any objection ?






*Laughter* , to evade a vital point , u capitalise your defence on my statement which are not even in quote. oNLY the scriptural verses are in quote , while the emphasis are added by me to clarify that scripture. What a weak defence.

To help your level of comprehension. I will ask again , this time in a manner u will be able to comprehend.

which of these two statements are scriptural


" For us , there is ONE GOD the Father " - (A)


" For us , there is ONE God, the Father and his son" - B

A or B ?

lie lie barristter

duh, you haven't a clue, I already explained but you have been blinded to the truth

so again: "only true god" means there is only one true God

it does not mean only one person in God
and John 1:1 tells us that there is two persons in God

barristter is a strange user name for you
as much as you pretend to talk like you are in a court room as a barrister
you cannot even spell the word, duh, ha ha

Barristter07:
Johnw74




Yes @ bold . Jesus refer to the Father as the ONLY true God , do u know the meaning of ONLY ? Do you ? Its time you expose yourself

You not very bright, you better never have to defend yourself in court barristter, ha ha you cannot even spell the word

and don't go lying about what Jesus said again, you claimed He said: "ONLY the Father is the true God"

when what He said was "the only true God"



Jesus said thee (Father) is the only true God.... Only true God means the one true God, as opposed to many god's - false god's.
The verse is not saying the Father is the only person in God.

you lied claiming Jesus said "ONLY the Father is the true God"
giving a diffrent meaning to Jesus statement

and you cannot admit you are wrong and lied about what Jesus said, but you weasel around twisting things and telling us what "only" means ha ha ha, we know God is only one God, and we know the Father and the word is that one God, < Christians do anyway.
false jw use all means of lying known

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Eternal life is not just knowing the Father, but
eternal life is knowing the Father and the Son
in other words eternal life is knowing God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

lie lie barristter < it should be one "t" not two

Johnw74

johnw74:


lie lie barristter

duh, you haven't a clue, I already explained but you have been blinded to the truth

so again: "only true god" means there is only one true God

Now that you admit Only means only one . we are a step ahead , I hope you know what only one signifies , single one,who exactly did Jesus recognize as the Only one True God ?

[s]
it does not mean only one person in God
and John 1:1 tells us that there is two persons in God

barristter is a strange user name for you
as much as you pretend to talk like you are in a court room as a barrister
you cannot even spell the word, duh, ha ha
[/s]

Totally off point , the focus is who exactly is the Only one true God ! not how many persons are in God. Learn to comprehend .

johnw74:


lie lie barristter

duh, you haven't a clue, I already explained but you have been blinded to the truth

so again: "only true god" means there is only one true God

it does not mean only one person in God
and John 1:1 tells us that there is two persons in God

barristter is a strange user name for you
as much as you pretend to talk like you are in a court room as a barrister
you cannot even spell the word, duh, ha ha

You have not answered



To help your level of comprehension. I will ask again , this time in a manner u will be able to comprehend.

which of these two statements are scriptural


" For us , there is ONE GOD the Father " - (A)


" For us , there is ONE God, the Father and his son" - B

A or B ?

Johnw74

johnw74:


lie lie barristter

duh, you haven't a clue, I already explained but you have been blinded to the truth

so again: "only true god" means there is only one true God

it does not mean only one person in God
and John 1:1 tells us that there is two persons in God

barristter is a strange user name for you
as much as you pretend to talk like you are in a court room as a barrister
you cannot even spell the word, duh, ha ha

You have not answered



To help your level of comprehension. I will ask again , this time in a manner u will be able to comprehend.

which of these two statements are scriptural


" For us , there is ONE GOD the Father " - (A)


" For us , there is ONE God, the Father and his son" - B

A or B ?

Johnw74

johnw74:


You not very bright, you better never have to defend yourself in court barristter, ha ha you cannot even spell the word

and don't go lying about what Jesus said again, you claimed He said: "ONLY the Father is the true God"

when what He said was "the only true God"





you lied claiming Jesus said "ONLY the Father is the true God"

You won't find this funny I PROMISE YOU, if u fail to provide the evidence for your stated claim above .


419 , Show me Where I quote Jesus as saying " ONLY the father is the true God" ?

solite3:
pls shorten your posts thank you.

because of the scriptures I have to quote, the post is sometimes longer than intended.
I'll like to emphasis some points from that part of the post
1. Jesus is an heir, an heir to someone who made him to be an heir.
2. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, God commanded him to sit their

Believe me or not this wat philippians says
2:9 wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name.
The name Jesus is the one the Father has chosen.

you quote Phil 2: 9 , but your previous question is different , you are asking me if Jesus has the highest name, I'm telling you that that cannot be so , cus Jesus name cannot be higher than the person who gave him that name!

you are free to quote from any translation but don't say it is wrong because it does not support your ideology.

if I can prove it's wrong and you cannot counter such proof, then it is wrong!

philippians 2: 9-11
9. God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name:
10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth
11. And every tongue should that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them: for I the LORD am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children from first to the forth generation of them that hate me.
But now the father is commanding all creation to bow down to the name of Jesus!

1. It is a fact that the scriptures or those verses did not say " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.". This views emanated from you and not from the scriptures.

2. let's examine Phil 2:9-11
A. verse 9 says god has "highly exalted jesus". One fact we get out of this is that the person who is called "God" in this verse is different from Jesus. hope that is an agreed fact that this person is called God!
Now did this part say Jesus is exalted above God? no
did it say Jesus is exalted to God's level? no
did it say Jesus is now equal to god? no
it simply tells us that God exalted Jesus to a higher position , Jesus would not have been exalted to that position if Jesus had one had that position, therefore for a fact that Jesus was exalted to a higher position that he did not have before shows you that Jesus is not almighty God, almighty God does not, has never, will not have a position higher than him.
Do we have other verses that shed more light on this exaltation? Yes !
isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.
this verses shows us that this exaltation was for Jesus to sit at God's right hand! and for angels and authorities and powers to be made subject to him.
* read rom 8:34, 1 pet 3:22.
The verse also tells us that God gave him a name "which is above every other name name". does this verse indicate that this name is equal to gods name? no
does it say the name given is above the name of the one who gave him the name? no
do we have other scriptures that help us to understand this part better? Yes
Eph 1:17-21 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18He has......
19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
Jesus being able to sit at gods right hand is due to God's mightiness which he exercised towards Jesus.
Jesus having authority above all other authority and power and every name that is named is due to the operation of the mightiness of the strength of God which he exercised towards Jesus. It was god who seated Jesus at his right hand.

B. let's look at verse 10 and 11.
This verses helps us to understand that every knee should bend in Jesus name because Jesus has been exalted to a position far above everyone. does this mean that God too would bend to Jesus? no!
verse 11 says that everyone should confess that Jesus is what ? Lord!, did it say that everyone should confess that Jesus is God? or equal to God? no
And if everyone bows to Jesus ,who did the verse say receives the glory? GOD!
therefore your quoting exodus 20:5 does not change anything for it is God that made such commandment and when such commandment is carried out, the glory is to him!
This is in opposite of bowing down to those idols cus god did not give such command(rather it is contrary to his command) and the glory of such action is not to god.

what is false from what I have said so far? Pls point one.:

the issue is not to point to any falsehood, but to examine your statements and see if it's true or false.

@ bold so u are afraid that I might quote philippians 2:9
and I did. Let me add extra info. Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given me in heaven and in earth

no I was not afraid , just wanted you to expain further by asking questions which you refused to answer the first time.

God

yes you are right, the person who gave that name is called god. hope you can now see that the person who gave that name is different from the person who was given the name. The person who gave that name is called God.

Yahweh

good. He is also called jehovah in English.

Yahweh

this is false , no where in the scriptures would you see Jesus beING called yahweh(jehovah) prior to being given the name Jesus.
The name, jehovah is being referenced to the father! is Jesus the father!no
the answer to that question is false.
moreover , before this event(the resurrection and exaltation of jesus), he had been bearing the name Jesus!
Lu 1:31And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus.
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High....

don't u read your bible

if you cannot or will not answer it, pls let us know!
The question again is : when did this name given occur?

[ the name Jesus is the only name the father has endorsed. Jesus and his father are one John 10:30

sir, I believe the question is simple enough to understand and to answer, don't dribble away from it . pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?
We know that the the father endorsed only Jesus, so pls answer the question.
The scripture says Jesus and the father are one, yes that is agreed. just like the scriptures say the husband and the wife should become one, yet the husband is the head of the wife just as God is the head of Christ!

[I believe I have answered your question. Dolphinsheart

well, you might have answered dolphinsheart, but as you can see above, you did not answer all my the question.

didn't you read that the father has committed all Judgments to the son? Didn't you read John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall neither perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Do you see that Jesus has the power to give eternal life to whom he wished.

does John 10: 28 contradict these scriptures I've shown you? No
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.
** Joh 17:1, 2Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you,2just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.[/b]

you have a very dubious way of changing your own words, you asked a question relating to Jesus being the only one with power to give eternal life! you said : "Do you believe only Jesus has the power to give eternal life?"
I know who you are and I know you would later adjust the issue and then use my answer on the previous question to accuse me, that why I had to answer you initially with these words:
"sir, your question comes from a twisted motive, but I will give you an answer straight from the scriptures, moreover, if you had read the scriptures I quoted to you, you might not have asked this question."
you have adjusted from " only jesus had the power" to "Jesus has the power"
before you misunderstand me, I'm not saying that their is another who has been given authority to save us o!

I used the word 'only' because the father can only give eternal life to those who are in Christ, God leads people to Christ so that They will be saved. So Jesus is the one that gives life. That's wat the father has ordained.the only thing God can do for you is to bring you to christ.

good you now know that the father can also give eternal life, but had entrusted this giving to the son, after granting the son to have life in himself.

yes very well. Jesus said that the father is the only true God. This is to distinguish him from other false gods in operation this does not apply to Christ because he is not another god but one with God.

Jesus was not talking about God's there so as to say he is distinguishing one God from the other. let's even say he is distinguishing, he said " you, the only true God". The "you" is in reference to the father, therfore Jesus called the father " the only true God".
Jesus is in essence saying that only the father is the true God!
is Jesus the same person as the father? no . Therefore this statement of Jesus also apples to Jesus , that Jesus is not the true God as he had identified another person as the true God, and he has emphasised with the word "only" that no other God is the true God!
The most interesting part is that immediately after mentioning who the true God is, he also talked about himself as being sent by that true God.
therfore as the fact is extablished that Jesus is not the one who sent himself, them Jesus is not the true God!

Does being one with God mean you are the same god? no. likewise the fact that his disciples being one with him and God does not mean they are the same God or they are God!
husband will be one with theirs wifes, it does not mean they are same person, same flesh or equals. The head of Christ is God, the scripture says, the father is greater than I am, Jesus said.
no wonder when the disciples, in telling us who the only God is, retaerated Jesus words when they said"there is actually to us one God, the Father,".

I believe you have technically agreed with me. If Jesus has all authority both in heaven and on earth it means Jesus is operating with the authority of the most high who is the father that means Jesus is occupying the highest place this totally agrees with the scripture. The father and the Son are operating in this authority together but in Christ Jesus. Do you understand?
hope you can give us answers to this questions!

you stylishly did not attend to the questions, well no problem. But look at your own words and see how you have just shot yourself in the foot. you have just told us that the father is the most high and the father is the one who gave Jesus authority!
The scriptures has told you the position of Jesus. I have asked you if Jesus position makes him higher than the one who gave him the position , but you refuse to answer!
Jesus operating with the authority of the most high does not mean Jesus is the most high, it can only mean Jesus is operating within the authority given to him by the most high.
does it also mean Jesus and the father are operating within the same authority? no sir!
The scripture is clear on that one.

u didn't answer me. Why does God do everything through Christ? Even exalting Christ name above all names if Christ himself is not God.

I've answered you, if you have read those two scriptures, you would have seen the answer, God is using Jesus to be all thing to everyone, do you remember jehovahs words to Satan in the garden of Eden?
Jesus is mot God, god did not exalt himself, almighty God does not have a higher positing to attain to in the first place. If you can attain to a position that is higher than your previous position, then you are not almighty God!

I av addressed this before

pls show us where you addressed the verse , or post such address.
1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

do you even know the meaning of right hand?

the understanding of right hand does not alter the fact that God used Jesus to save mankind! as shown by the verses.
someone being sitted on the right hand side of a king could mean among other things that such person now has a position of authority, higher than others, but not up to the kings authority. not dependent on ones individual power but dependent on the kings power.
Jesus sits at the his right hand through the mightiness of his strength!

Christianity is not organization. No christian church can tell you its the one true church if there is any then it is false.

the question is simple sir, are all Christian organization's on earth false! I did not ask you any question about Christianity!

your failure to quote John 6 : 29 showed you are a deceitful
Jesus clearly said what he meant by 'work' which means to believe in him.
Simple faith in Christ is what saves. Dolphinsheart the thief on the cross that got saved which work did he do?

sir, you could have well just say that because I do not quote all the verses of the bible when relating to a particular topic means I'm deceitful, or that since I did not quote all the verses relating to a particular topic, it means all the verse I quoted are false.
I asked you about those other verses , you keep dodging them.
did Jesus say that "work means believe"?no
Jesus and the disciples did not Just say believe in Jesus all the time they talk about everlasting life. As shown in the scriptures I posted, gaining everlasting life requires some work, an effort both of the mind and physical . that is why they said one should endure, persevere, work out your own salvation. Working requires effort, coming to know God requires effort, to keep loving jehovah requires effort
the scriptures says:
Ro 10:10For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
1Co 9:16Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!

you asked about the work the thief did, pls read his actions below:
Lu 23:40In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment?
Lu 23:41And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.”
23:42Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.”
what do you think will be the outcome of the thief if he had not taken such actions, if he had kept mute or indifferent, concerned only about the pain he was going through.
Satan and the demons know Jesus, they believe what he said will happen will happen, but do they follow Jesus? no , will they be saved cus of that believe? no
he that endures to the end will be saved , the bible tells us that!

will conclude shortly.........

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because of the scriptures I have to quote, the post is sometimes longer than intended.
I'll like to emphasis some points from that part of the post
1. Jesus is an heir, an heir to someone who made him to be an heir.
2. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, God commanded him to sit their

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you quote Phil 2: 9 , but your previous question is different , you are asking me if Jesus has the highest name, I'm telling you that that cannot be so , cus Jesus name cannot be higher than the person who gave him that name!


if I can prove it's wrong and you cannot counter such proof, then it is wrong!


1. It is a fact that the scriptures or those verses did not say " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.". This views emanated from you and not from the scriptures.

2. let's examine Phil 2:9-11
A. verse 9 says god has "highly exalted jesus". One fact we get out of this is that the person who is called "God" in this verse is different from Jesus. hope that is an agreed fact that this person is called God!
Now did this part say Jesus is exalted above God? no

[/quote] U clearly lack comprehension.
did it say Jesus is exalted to God's level? no

did it say Jesus is now equal to god? no

it simply tells us that God exalted Jesus to a higher position , Jesus would not have been exalted to that position if Jesus had one had that position, therefore for a fact that Jesus was exalted to a higher position that he did not have before shows you that Jesus is not almighty God, almighty God does not, has never, will not have a position higher than him.
Do we have other verses that shed more light on this exaltation? Yes !
isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.
this verses shows us that this exaltation was for Jesus to sit at God's right hand! and for angels and authorities and powers to be made subject to him.
* read rom 8:34, 1 pet 3:22.
The verse also tells us that God gave him a name "which is above every other name name". does this verse indicate that this name is equal to gods name? no
does it say the name given is above the name of the one who gave him the name? no
do we have other scriptures that help us to understand this part better? Yes
Eph 1:17-21 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18He has......
19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
Jesus being able to sit at gods right hand is due to God's mightiness which he exercised towards Jesus.
Jesus having authority above all other authority and power and every name that is named is due to the operation of the mightiness of the strength of God which he exercised towards Jesus. It was god who seated Jesus at his right hand.

B. let's look at verse 10 and 11.
This verses helps us to understand that every knee should bend in Jesus name because Jesus has been exalted to a position far above everyone. does this mean that God too would bend to Jesus? no!
verse 11 says that everyone should confess that Jesus is what ? Lord!, did it say that everyone should confess that Jesus is God? or equal to God? no
And if everyone bows to Jesus ,who did the verse say receives the glory? GOD!
therefore your quoting exodus 20:5 does not change anything for it is God that made such commandment and when such commandment is carried out, the glory is to him!
This is in opposite of bowing down to those idols cus god did not give such command(rather it is contrary to his command) and the glory of such action is not to god.


the issue is not to point to any falsehood, but to examine your statements and see if it's true or false.

no I was not afraid , just wanted you to expain further by asking questions which you refused to answer the first time.


yes you are right, the person who gave that name is called god. hope you can now see that the person who gave that name is different from the person who was given the name. The person who gave that name is called God.


good. He is also called jehovah in English.


this is false , no where in the scriptures would you see Jesus beING called yahweh(jehovah) prior to being given the name Jesus.
The name, jehovah is being referenced to the father! is Jesus the father!no
the answer to that question is false.
moreover , before this event(the resurrection and exaltation of jesus), he had been bearing the name Jesus!
Lu 1:31And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus.
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High....


if you cannot or will not answer it, pls let us know!
The question again is : when did this name given occur?


sir, I believe the question is simple enough to understand and to answer, don't dribble away from it . pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?
We know that the the father endorsed only Jesus, so pls answer the question.
The scripture says Jesus and the father are one, yes that is agreed. just like the scriptures say the husband and the wife should become one, yet the husband is the head of the wife just as God is the head of Christ!


well, you might have answered dolphinsheart, but as you can see above, you did not answer all my the question.


does John 10: 28 contradict these scriptures I've shown you? No
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.
** Joh 17:1, 2Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you,2just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.[/b]

you have a very dubious way of changing your own words, you asked a question relating to Jesus being the only one with power to give eternal life! you said : "Do you believe only Jesus has the power to give eternal life?"
I know who you are and I know you would later adjust the issue and then use my answer on the previous question to accuse me, that why I had to answer you initially with these words:
"sir, your question comes from a twisted motive, but I will give you an answer straight from the scriptures, moreover, if you had read the scriptures I quoted to you, you might not have asked this question."
you have adjusted from " only jesus had the power" to "Jesus has the power"
before you misunderstand me, I'm not saying that their is another who has been given authority to save us o!


good you now know that the father can also give eternal life, but had entrusted this giving to the son, after granting the son to have life in himself.


Jesus was not talking about God's there so as to say he is distinguishing one God from the other. let's even say he is distinguishing, he said " you, the only true God". The "you" is in reference to the father, therfore Jesus called the father " the only true God".
Jesus is in essence saying that only the father is the true God!
is Jesus the same person as the father? no . Therefore this statement of Jesus also apples to Jesus , that Jesus is not the true God as he had identified another person as the true God, and he has emphasised with the word "only" that no other God is the true God!
The most interesting part is that immediately after mentioning who the true God is, he also talked about himself as being sent by that true God.
therfore as the fact is extablished that Jesus is not the one who sent himself, them Jesus is not the true God!

Does being one with God mean you are the same god? no. likewise the fact that his disciples being one with him and God does not mean they are the same God or they are God!
husband will be one with theirs wifes, it does not mean they are same person, same flesh or equals. The head of Christ is God, the scripture says, the father is greater than I am, Jesus said.
no wonder when the disciples, in telling us who the only God is, retaerated Jesus words when they said"there is actually to us one God, the Father,".


you stylishly did not attend to the questions, well no problem. But look at your own words and see how you have just shot yourself in the foot. you have just told us that the father is the most high and the father is the one who gave Jesus authority!
The scriptures has told you the position of Jesus. I have asked you if Jesus position makes him higher than the one who gave him the position , but you refuse to answer!
Jesus operating with the authority of the most high does not mean Jesus is the most high, it can only mean Jesus is operating within the authority given to him by the most high.
does it also mean Jesus and the father are operating within the same authority? no sir!
The scripture is clear on that one.


I've answered you, if you have read those two scriptures, you would have seen the answer, God is using Jesus to be all thing to everyone, do you remember jehovahs words to Satan in the garden of Eden?
Jesus is mot God, god did not exalt himself, almighty God does not have a higher positing to attain to in the first place. If you can attain to a position that is higher than your previous position, then you are not almighty God!


pls show us where you addressed the verse , or post such address.
1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.


the understanding of right hand does not alter the fact that God used Jesus to save mankind! as shown by the verses.
someone being sitted on the right hand side of a king could mean among other things that such person now has a position of authority, higher than others, but not up to the kings authority. not dependent on ones individual power but dependent on the kings power.
Jesus sits at the his right hand through the mightiness of his strength!



the question is simple sir, are all Christian organization's on earth false! I did not ask you any question about Christianity!


sir, you could have well just say that because I do not quote all the verses of the bible when relating to a particular topic means I'm deceitful, or that since I did not quote all the verses relating to a particular topic, it means all the verse I quoted are false.
I asked you about those other verses , you keep dodging them.
did Jesus say that "work means believe"?no
Jesus and the disciples did not Just say believe in Jesus all the time they talk about everlasting life. As shown in the scriptures I posted, gaining everlasting life requires some work, an effort both of the mind and physical . that is why they said one should endure, persevere, work out your own salvation. Working requires effort, coming to know God requires effort, to keep loving jehovah requires effort
the scriptures says:
Ro 10:10For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
1Co 9:16Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!

you asked about the work the thief did, pls read his actions below:
Lu 23:40In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment?
Lu 23:41And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.”
23:42Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.”
what do you think will be the outcome of the thief if he had not taken such actions, if he had kept mute or indifferent, concerned only about the pain he was going through.
Satan and the demons know Jesus, they believe what he said will happen will happen, but do they follow Jesus? no , will they be saved cus of that believe? no
he that endures to the end will be saved , the bible tells us that!

will conclude shortly.........

there is no point talking to you anymore.
I have showed you the truth from the scriptures which you couldn't fault but asking foolish questions.