Diademk07:

If you seen my other post, I did talk about Koke apart from Verratti and others.
And I disagree that playmaker should cost little. This kind of players are one in a generation. As a matter of fact, after the attackers, they should be the next in line. Players like Xavi, Zidane, Pirlo, Scholes etc were the constant reason their team became dominant even for a short while.
We all saw the Yaya Toure of this world who looked clueless for City as soon as he faced any decent orchestrator in the CL. Did you watch the cup game that involved Juve and Millan? Gwd! Pogba looked terrible in that match.
It's not even as if he has the most silky touch like Verratti/Iniesta/Zidane nor the best of vision as Ozil. His dribbles even look haphazard to me although he tends to be in control of it like Suarez does.
I just can't get head around the price for him. Nobody is saying he's a poor player but he's not worth 50mil let alone 100mil. His game hasn't even developed from the time he left. I watch him when he came on as teenager for us and he was just the same. No wonder Scholes mentioned that Pogba wasn't good enough to displace him.

Sorry read that post you quoted again. I have edited it and added more explanations that would serve as answers to some of the issues you just raised.

Play makers are almost always cheaper than attacking midfielders. If you go through the history of transfers, you'd know they've costed more and would continue to cost more. I don't even need to debate this.

You're just pontificating as usual. Knock your head into the ground if you can get around the fee; is it your money?

Give alternatives or players better than Pogba that're available or would be cheaper to sign. There are none. I hope this transfer happens.

Diademk07:

Lol!
I don't watch game by stats though. I watch it with my eyes. Till today, there's an highlight showcasing Kagawa forming a triangle with Giggs and Jones in the Leverkusen Match. He was dropping deep as far back as the central midfield to form a 3-man midfield. His movement, intelligent passes and spatial awareness were something else in the match even when he has yet to gell with his team-mates enough to know their movement.
No wonder Giggs as a coach thought Kagawa would be perfect fit as a CM, just as the way he deployed him against Southampton and Hull city in the last 4 games he coached Manutd. No doubt Kagawa can operate in the central midfield like he did for Dortmund on many occasion last season but he would have to operate in a 3-man midfield set up and not the 2-man midfield Giggs kept deploying him.
Back to the Leverkusen match, this was the Yoube showcasing Jones, Giggs and Jones tandem (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMucC_zamZk).
Watch that and tell how Kagawa wasn't good. This was a player whose his teammates rarely knew his movement nor the way he plays due to his lack of playing time with them.
In that same clip, there were passes he made while our other players were just ball watching or too slow to react. There were even 2 goals that he assisted the assist man in that clip.

It looks like I struggle to see the triangle you were talking about. I thought I would see something like our diamond structure against Newcastle in 2012 when we played around Tiote and Cabaye.

I think you failed to realize we got upper hand on the night via our speeding play by Nani and Valencia, not the short passes you assume here.

I know Kagawa's quality in find spaces between lines to receive a pass. I also know that he is not usually the type to cope stats as he is goal shy. I agree too football is not all about stats, but this video only shows what he did well all the night. Kagawa is known for high accurate passes, he even made 100% pass accuracy in one match for Japan, I think he played second half. So his poor pass accuracy against Leverkusen shows he did many things wrong on the night which were not recorded here.

I also see two occasions where he made poor decisions, like in one occasion, instead of playing Rooney through to the goalkeeper, he passed to Val.

Diademk07:

Lol!
Oh, that Rooney headed in the ball into the net, Kagawa's fantastic cross became insignificant?
More so, the other pass was intended for Mata. It was a through ball pass for crying out loud and not a pass that was ricocheted off a defender. This was Skysports report on the same match: http://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/287600 The Espn report is also similar to the skysports report.
The fact that BBC is English player bias and Rooney darling just as yourself doesn't make others the same.
Lastly, between the Month of March ending and April, 3 players were nominated as our player of the month and they include Mata, Kagawa and Jones. Mata won it, closely followed by Kagawa in the second place (www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/vote-for-the-manchester-united-player-of-the-month-for-april-2014.aspx).
At least, Manutd fans agreed that Kagawa had his best matches in the period Mata started to play in the centre.

Different people different opinions. We are never going to reach an agreement on this.

Let’s move on from this argument.

Who would you play in the hole (number 10) between Kagawa and Mata?

Diademko7

You can see the same diamond playing around Tiote and Cabaye, with Rooney at the tip (hole) hole and Carrick at the base. Kagawa on the right and Cleverley on the left. That was our 3-0 at Newcastle in 2012/2013 season. But unite video against Leverkusen I didnt see a steady triangle.

[img]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn9t0fNWAAAi6Yn.jpg:large[/img]

elampiro:


It looks like I struggle to see the triangle you were talking about. I thought I would see something like our diamond structure against Newcastle in 2012 when we played around Tiote and Cabaye.

I think you failed to realize we got upper hand on the night via our speeding play by Nani and Valencia, not the short passes you assume here.

I know Kagawa's quality in find spaces between lines to receive a pass. I also know that he is not usually the type to cope stats as he is goal shy. I agree too football is not all about stats, but this video only shows what he did well all the night. Kagawa is known for high accurate passes, he even made 100% pass accuracy in one match for Japan, I think he played second half. So his poor pass accuracy against Leverkusen shows he did many things wrong on the night which were not recorded here.

I also see two occasions where he made poor decisions, like in one occasion, instead of playing Rooney through to the goalkeeper, he passed to Val.

Some of his passes eluded his teammate because they were either ball watching or just too slow. Who can blame them though, they weren't in sync with him because he rarely played with them.
For example, in the 1:35 mark of the clip, he made one floated pass while the intended player was ball watching as well as other passes he made that his team-mates were too slow to react in the 2:21, 2:24, 2:41 mins of the clips. 3:49 mins showed him making a defensive splitting pass to Valencia who was too slow to make a cross and the chance went begging. After he decided not to pass to Valencia, he made 1-2 with Rooney, followed by an awesome pass which Rooney was too slow to react in the 4:25 mark of the clip.
Just look at the 2 goals scored in the same highlight, he made one splitting pass to Rooney who raised the ball for the other player to tuck in for the second goal. The first goal move was started by him as well.
In the 0:9, he made a lovely pass that resulted into a missed shot.

GBR1:
[img]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn9t0fNWAAAi6Yn.jpg:large[/img]

this line up ehn...

elampiro:
Diademko7

You can see the same diamond playing around Tiote and Cabaye, with Rooney at the tip (hole) hole and Carrick at the base. Kagawa on the right and Cleverley on the left. That was our 3-0 at Newcastle in 2012/2013 season. But unite video against Leverkusen I didnt see a steady triangle.

I don't even want to talk about Cleverley because that's one player I dislike so much.
He has his head backward on what tiki taka is. He would make a sideway pass to a player and proceed to move infront of the player while expecting an incisive pass in return, thereby pushing the said player back into the midfield If he could dribble to save his life, it would have been better. Atleast, he would have taken the ball far ahead with his dribble before making his stupid sideways passes.
Beside that, that video was talking about triangles formed and not a diamond. The triangle wasn't there everytime but you could see that in the 1:41 mins when Giggs made a pass to Kagawa before his pass to Nani. There was also another around the 2:0 mark where he received the ball and ran forward before taking a shot. Also, There were many times he dropped deep into the central midfield to initiate the move like in the 2:10, 2:34, 3:08 mins etc.

Dortmund don score

Came back to check if depay has turned a new leaf. Imagine in pre-season , depay is still very useless. Where is coogar ?

lolz....now kroos, veratti even Oliver Torres are all better than POGBA......I can't laugh.......lemme just keep reading comments.

GBR1:

Oh now you've stop saying we should get Verrati since you've seen it was a poor reason as he's nontransferable or even costlier. Now it Oliver Torres FFS. You didn't even mention Koke or Niguez. Nonsense!

Stop associating "midfield domination" with Pogba. Pogba is not a midfielder or player you get to control or dominate midfield. That's how some of you folks kept on mentioning and comparing him with players like Verrati or even Kroos. He is simply not that kind of player currently and it's pretty stupid to judge/elevate him with such criteria. He's best as the furthest or attacking midfielder in a 4-3-3 (for example Lampard at Chelsea) or at worse a rampaging B2B midfielder ( Yaya Toure). In the former he's good enough for a CL winning side and in the latter only a league winning side because of the lack of defensive cover and we'd get punished in Europe for that.

Midfielders that control games are even supposed to be cheaper than the attacking ones and the funny thing is Verrati being even more costlier than Pogba, so just imagine how silly those comparisons have been all along.

Pogba got overrated by the excessive media attention he's received and that's no fault of his but in recent times I've noticed most folks now are currently underrating him and doing a poor job or even worse. I would start addressing this issue too.

If Rooney is to play as a nine-and-a-half or #10 (as mourihno has said) and will most definitely start alongside Pogba, Miki,Ibra...does it mean we already have a problem as regards getting the best outta our potential £100m world record signing ?

Our midfield play is non existent. Herrera and Blind in a midfield 2

Pre-season party wan shele for hia mehn...

Calling d official troll DJ... to...wait... we need to organise ooo...

Who should we elect for European Football section Nairaland DJ...!

Dstv dey show the match?

DSTv no dey show mufc pre-season.
which kind work time match be this gan?

Dadehmola:


If Rooney is to play as a nine-and-a-half or #10 (as mourihno has said) and will most definitely start alongside Pogba, Miki,Ibra...does it mean we already have a problem as regards getting the best outta our potential £100m world record signing ?

Yes, unless we get a very defensive player who is also a good play maker to play alongside Pogba in a pivot. I stated another condition though in the post you quoted.

So Valencia caused a pen while doing the GK job

GBR1:

Yes, unless we get a very defensive player who is also a good play maker to play alongside Pogba in a pivot.

This conditional statement further complicates the whole thing & I am happy you have given us another important reason why we shouldn't break the transfer record for a Player who is already having problems fitting into the side

jubrealguy:
lolz....now kroos, veratti even Oliver Torres are all better than POGBA......I can't laugh.......lemme just keep reading comments.

even mikel is better than pogba

when u see pogba being compared to kroos veratti and kante, ask dem which of those players scored more league goals/assist than the Frenchman, dem go begin talk say his role is different from theirs....


then why compare him with them in the first place

chrisley024:
So Valencia caused a pen while doing the GK job

How is the match? Who are the laggards?

Dadehmola:


This conditional statement further complicates the whole thing & I am happy you have given us another important reason why we shouldn't break the transfer record for a Player who is already having problems fitting into the side

4-3-3 is the formation that best suites our players currently and that's even without Pogba. Rooney has been finished at the top level for about 3 seasons and i don't mind our best XI being without him. So what point are you making here? That we shouldn't sign Pogba because Rooney won't fit in? You should be embarrassed by that claim.
I have already stated long ago before you brought this up that Pogba's signing won't mean well for Rooney and I'm happy about that. Pogba currently is good enough to build a side around but Rooney is not. It's that simple.


Another important reason? What good reasons have you stated? I would like to see the one I won't destroy at first attempt.

@Kagawa I'm still expecting replies to my last post to you.

elampiro:


How is the match? Who are the laggards?

not watching o na sky sports live commentary I just checked on their site

Who is watching? I read elsewhere that Mephis is the best player on your side.

46'Sam Johnstone - Sergio Germán Romero.

46'Johnstone's shaky performance is ended, as he makes way for Sergio Romero.
46'Jesse Lingard - Ashley Young.

46'Ashley Young arrives in Lingard's place.
46'
Memphis Depay
Marcus Rashford
46'Marcus Rashford comes on for Memphis.
46'So, after a number of changes, we are back under way!
46' Felix Passlack - Jacob Bruun Larsen.

46'Felix Passlack is replaced by 17-year-old Jacob Bruun Larsen for Dortmund.
46' Phil Jones Faustino - Marcos Alberto Rojo
46'Substitution Phil Jones Faustino Marcos Alberto Rojo

Team not playing well so far... Dortmund dominating so far.

Looks like you also don't need to be in the ucl to go 2-0 down to Dortmund in 35 mins.

DORT 2-0 MAN U.......

Its just preseason

But I'm happy with that scoreline

hehehehehe

Teenager Dembele just wasted Manure entire defence

3=0

elampiro:
Who is watching? I read elsewhere that Mephis is the best player on your side.

What?
You aint Manutd fan or what?
Bailly has been our best player while Pea has been Dortmund best player.

elampiro:
Who is watching? I read elsewhere that Mephis is the best player on your side.

So far, Dortmund bn dominating..