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THANK YOU FOR HELPING IN THE SPREADING OF ISLAM.


WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE BY SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON ISLAM INSTEAD OF TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU LIKE OTHERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF FAITH IS THAT.


YOUR DISPLAY OF IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE, CREATES A SPECTRUM FOR REFUTATION AND BY THAT THE
LIGHT OF ISLAM SHINES.


Thank you for all the effort..........your TOPICS on Nairaland on
ISLAM is enough to make you a SHEGE because we know its coming out of a BRAIN that is deviod of UNDERSTANDING.

With understanding we would have called you a SHEIK.

WORDWORLD:
THANK YOU FOR HELPING IN THE SPREADING OF ISLAM.


WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE BY SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON ISLAM INSTEAD OF TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU LIKE OTHERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF FAITH IS THAT.


YOUR DISPLAY OF IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE, CREATES A SPECTRUM FOR REFUTATION AND BY THAT THE
LIGHT OF ISLAM SHINES.


Thank you for all the effort..........your TOPICS on Nairaland on
ISLAM is enough to make you a SHEGE because we know its coming out of a BRAIN that is deviod of UNDERSTANDING.

With understanding we would have called you a SHEIK.

Who is spreading CANCER? Or dont you know islam is a CANCER?

plappville:
Who is spreading CANCER? Or dont you know islam is a CANCER?

Question:

Who is spreading Cancer?

Answer: NOBODY IS SPREADING CANCER.

Question:

Or dont you know that Islam is Cancer?

Answer:

NO IT IS NOT.






WHAT YOU ARE DESPIRATELY AIDING TO SPREAD IS SPELT I-S-L-A-M, BY MENTION AND USE OF THE WORD.

And if you wish, use a conflictiting approach in your method of spreading Islam or Concordance approach. My dear you are still helping in the spreading ISLAM.

All that we are saying is a BIG THANK YOU!!!

Bye.

WORDWORLD:
THANK YOU FOR HELPING IN THE SPREADING OF ISLAM.


WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE BY SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON ISLAM INSTEAD OF TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU LIKE OTHERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF FAITH IS THAT.


YOUR DISPLAY OF IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE, CREATES A SPECTRUM FOR REFUTATION AND BY THAT THE
LIGHT OF ISLAM SHINES.


Thank you for all the effort..........your TOPICS on Nairaland on
ISLAM is enough to make you a SHEGE because we know its coming out of a BRAIN that is deviod of UNDERSTANDING.

With understanding we would have called you a SHEIK.

How does that provide any answer to how the quran is reporting allaah instead of him speaking directly?

I'm glad you talked about ignorance. Now explain to us to educate us.

plappville:
I know they will soon move this thread to the Islamic section as usual.

Don't mind them.

Nairaland is becoming another anti-Christian site. They quickly put in the front page any bad acts of pastors or when a Christian turns to islam.

truthman2012:
Muslims claim the quran is the direct revelations of allaah without any contributions by Gabriel and Muhammad. If it is true, their should be no reported speeches but direct speeches. But what we find in the quran are many reported speeches suggesting that either Gabriel or Muhammad spoke in the quran.

In the quranic quotes below, wherever you find the word 'Allah' should have been I or Me or My if they were direct speeches of Allah. Why should allah address himself as allah?

And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression.
(Qur'an 2:61).

And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe. And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. Evil is that for which they sell their souls: that they should disbelieve in that which Allah hath revealed, grudging that Allah should reveal of His bounty unto whom He will of His slaves. They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom."
Qur'an 2:88

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
Qur'an 2:120

Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do."
Qur'an 2:140

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
Qur'an 3:110

This is a jumble of incoherent nonsense. I have read it over and over, I can't get what the Persona is driving at.
It started with what seem to be Moses with the Israelites in the Wilderness, it ended with the Jews and Christians being cursed by Allah.

And, this is the same question I asked a certain Muslim in your other thread, he said it was Allah talking. Allah talking about himself in the second person.
It's obvious Allah is a lesser deity, OR, Muhammed made Allah up.

annunaki2:
Very good observation. unfortunately the very people who this observation will benefit have been programmed not to use their brain as far as the quoran/islam is concerned.

They are more interested in Jihad than being liberated.

truthman2012:
Where are the islamic apologists to defend the quran nau?

You are used to hiding under "ignoring" any time
you lack the idea of what to say. Is this one of the occasions?

najib632 report here. You said you came to NL to defend Islam. There's Islam to defend here. Don't be shy, we are just trying to open your eyes. Don't go to hell fire with Muhammed.

Anas09:
najib632 report here. You said you came to NL to defend Islam. There's Islam to defend here. Don't be shy, we are just trying to open your eyes. Don't go to hell fire with Muhammed.

Lol... Are you the one who will send me to hell? Nobody knows how he will end up even you speaking you know that if you die a polytheist you know where you're heading to but I can't conclude that you will burn in hell because who knows you might repent and accept monotheism then God will forgive you while i might die committing( may God forbid ), you don't know where you'll be tomorrow so always ask God to guide you and not come up here and say nonsense.

Yinkame123:
I seems not to understand what the writer is driving at. It's indisputable that Quran is a revelation from Allah to Prophet Muhammad through angel Jubril. To use a simple logic since what the op uses is logic if I asked you to tell a friend that ' if you don't give me my money in three days I will make sure I get you arrested by the police'. The quran container 6666 verses and 124 chapters scientific research has proven that the words it contains is not that of a man but someone in the highest realm of the universe.

Are you serious? So, if am your friend who is owning you money. You are Yinkame, I am Anas and here is Truthman. And you are telling our friend Truthman about the money I am owing you, by saying, "If Anas doesn't pay up by Wednesday, I will have her arrested".
Pls I need you to use the reported form of speech to tell Trurhman what you would do to me.
because, what I see there is something like this, someone is telling Truthman about the money Anas is owning Yinkame, by saying " if Anas doesn't pay up the money she is owing Yinkame by Wednesday, I will get her arrested.
Pls, try being objective here. How can Allah be reporting his own speech? What kind of reasons is this biko?

Demmzy15:
Of course there are many, but can you prove the bible to be divine?



Hallucinations that mentioned the purpose of mountains, what separates rivers and seas, how a baby develops, etc. I think your brain has capsized!



Coming from a man who's bible claims the world is supported on a 4 pillar and the shape is "circle"! Guy you too dull

This incestuous son of a LovePeddler is here shamelessly defending lies. Why not tell why Allah is speaking in the second person about himself.

Presbulg:
First, The words of the Qu'ran are not words of anybody except that of Almighty God, so Mohammmed(SAW) didn't author the Qu'ran

So science has proved what the holy Qu'ran says about mountains.

Here, lemme school you cuz of another time before typing rubbish about what what you don't have any knowledge about

GEOLOGY

MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)[\b]

In geology, the phenomenon of 'folding', is a
recently discovered fact. Folding is responsible
for the formation of mountain ranges. The
earth's crust, on which we live, is like a solid
shell, while the deeper layers are hot and fluid,
and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is
also known that the stability of the mountains is
linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was
the folds that were to provide foundations for
the reliefs that constitute the mountains.

[color=#009900][b]Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles. Since, the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act
like stakes or tent pegs that hold the earth's crust and give it stability. The [b]QUR'AN contains exactly such a description in the following verse:[/b][/color]

"Have WE not made The earth as a wide
Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?"
[AL- QUR'AN 78:6-7]

The word 'awtad' from the Qu'ran means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named 'Earth' is considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the Scientific Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. [color=#009900]In this book he illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.[/color] {Earth, Press and Siever, p.435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157}

According to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role [color=#009900] in stabilizing the crust of the earth[/color]. The QUR'AN clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the earth from shaking:

"And WE have set on the earth Mountains
standing firm, Lest it should shake with
them."
[AL- QUR'AN 21:31]

The Qur'anic descriptions are in perfect
agreement with modern geological data.

MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED

The surface of the earth is broken into many
rigid plates that are about 100 km in thickness.
These plates float on a partially molten region
called aesthenosphere.

Mountain formations occur at the boundary of
the plates. The earth's crust is 5 km below
oceans, about 35 km thick below flat continental
surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great
mountain ranges. These are the strong
foundations on which mountains stand. The
QUR'AN also speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse:

"And the mountains Hath HE firmly fixed."
[AL- QUR'AN 79:32]

Dont derail this thread by bringing in mountains and pegs. Address the Ops. Why is Allah speaking in the second person about himself?

masseratti:
wait let me school him, thats what they are good at twisting words to suit their opinions. The guy had no idea that not all mountains are made from folds, i guess he never heard of volcanic mountain or mountains formed by glaciers.

Why is Allah reporting his own speech? Can you talk about yourself in the second person?

plappville:
I have always understood that the content of the revelations of the quran were from Muhammed and the fabricated angel Gabriel.

There is no time God ever spoke out loud to the people directly in the Quran to authenticate his voice like he did in the bible. Yet Muslims will tell you that, These revelations were direct From God, and Mohammed’s task was only to repeat what he heard. Who then is the withness of how devine what Muhammad was telling.

THE ARABS are the most despirate people when it comes to religion issues. They do all to tag the one true God to thier religion. But thank God for the Bible.

No, never. Allah never spoke to Muhammed. If he did, he wouldn't have mistaken the voice of Satan for Allah, who indeed is Satan.
They think if they keep saying "Allah the one true God", it will automatically be so. Glorious Koran, yet riddened with contradictions and inconsistencies. Glorious Koran which included revelations from Satan.
Salman Rusdhi exposed them once, they quickly abrogated that part, and his it.
Glorious Koran which keeps going under the knife to be chopped off. They still shout it to themselves "the glorious koran".
Someone said that "When a lie is told for a long time, even the one who invented the lie terms to believe that it is true". Muslims have so lied to themselves and their children until now, they are beginning to believe their lies.

Anas09:
Are you serious? So, if am your friend who is owning you money. You are Yinkame, I am Anas and here is Truthman. And you are telling our friend Truthman about the money I am owing you, by saying, "If Anas doesn't pay up by Wednesday, I will have her arrested".
Pls I need you to use the reported form of speech to tell Trurhman what you would do to me.
because, what I see there is something like this, someone is telling Truthman about the money Anas is owning Yinkame, by saying " if Anas doesn't pay up the money she is owing Yinkame by Wednesday, I will get her arrested.
Pls, try being objective here. How can Allah be reporting his own speech? What kind of reasons is this biko?

WORDWORLD:
THANK YOU FOR HELPING IN THE SPREADING OF ISLAM.


WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE BY SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON ISLAM INSTEAD OF TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU LIKE OTHERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF FAITH IS THAT.


YOUR DISPLAY OF IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE, CREATES A SPECTRUM FOR REFUTATION AND BY THAT THE
LIGHT OF ISLAM SHINES.


Thank you for all the effort..........your TOPICS on Nairaland on
ISLAM is enough to make you a SHEGE because we know its coming out of a BRAIN that is deviod of UNDERSTANDING.

With understanding we would have called you a SHEIK.

Ale, answer the op. Why is Allah reporting his own speech? Is there a higher deity above Allah? Or Muhammed forgot he wasn't suppose to speak for Allah?

najib632:
Lol... Are you the one who will send me to hell? Nobody knows how he will end up even you speaking you know that if you die a polytheist you know where you're heading to but I can't conclude that you will burn in hell because who knows you might repent and accept monotheism then God will forgive you while i might die committing( may God forbid ), you don't know where you'll be tomorrow so always ask God to guide you and not come up here and say nonsense.

It's good you came, now address the OP.
Again. Why is Allah reporting his own speech? Almighty can't talk with authority. By the act, it shows Allah is in the class of mere humans.

Keep telling yourself that you are a monotheist. Keep deliberately lying to yourself that you don't know that before Muhammed was born, an Idol by the name of Allah was worshipped in the same Ka'aba of today, the same moon festivals were performed then, as they performed today, the same manner. The Hajj pre-dated Muhammed. The going round the stone and kissing it wasn't an Islamic ritual. It was done long before Muhammed started Islam.
The Ramadan you observe was a long standing ritual in the pre-Islamic era, you still do it today. Allah was a moon god, Alat, Malat and Uzzah where his daughters the stars. That explains why you still have the crescent moon and star as the islamic symbol. That explains why your lives are still shrouded in the movement of the moon.
Those deities, according to history, were demons, but Muhammed who claimed to have banished them, leaving only allah, still consulted them.
Keep telling yourself, you are monotheist. Poor deceived soul.

plappville:
I know they will soon move this thread to the Islamic section as usual.

How cowardly can these people be? They will move the thread to their section, then be throwing stones from there, knowing you can't respond, then they will declare themselves winners afterwards. They are like children.

OP download the book. The truth about Muhammad by Robert Spencer...its an eye opener.

Muslims would avoid this topic because any wrong statement they make could cost them their head(Literally)

Are you kidding me? I honestly can't stop face palming myself after reading this thread. I've concluded, in most cases Christian=Stupid. You really are deaf, blind and most importantly dumb! It seems this trait is even more common amongst Nigerian Christians.

Clowns!

truthman2012:
Muslims claim the quran is the direct revelations of allaah without any contributions by Gabriel and Muhammad. If it is true, their should be no reported speeches but direct speeches. But what we find in the quran are many reported speeches suggesting that either Gabriel or Muhammad spoke in the quran.

In the quranic quotes below, wherever you find the word 'Allah' should have been I or Me or My if they were direct speeches of Allah. Why should allah address himself as allah?

And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression.
(Qur'an 2:61).

And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe. And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. Evil is that for which they sell their souls: that they should disbelieve in that which Allah hath revealed, grudging that Allah should reveal of His bounty unto whom He will of His slaves. They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom."
Qur'an 2:88

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
Qur'an 2:120

Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do."
Qur'an 2:140

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
Qur'an 3:110

In your limited knowledge of the Quran I'm sure you've come across who was responsible for the revelation of the Quran to Muhammad yes? Moses in islam has the distinction of speaking to Allah directly hence his nickname Kallimullah (he who spoke to Allah).


If Gabriel reported, he would report what he is asked to report, I fail to see how that's a problem. Unlike you angels have no freewill in islam, contrary to your beliefs satan was not an angel but a higher jinn. Jinns have freewill hence his rebellion. Even if the Quran was reported in the form you stipulate, Muhammad still had to pass this message to people, after which they memorised and eventually wrote down. Now imagine if he was speaking to them in the form of "I...". That would be pretty fvcking confusing. Only Im.beciles won't understand this logic, and from what you've been posting, you sir are a god amongst Im.beciles


It's utterly foolish and ridiculous that Christians think that an angel who was created without freewill by God the almighty would go against his nature. It's blasphemous and illogical. But I guess you don't truly understand God or is capabilities since you're deluded enough to think he had a son who ate, shat and bled. This is even though he never claimed he was God or his son.

Like I said, in most cases, Christian=stuupid.

gbenson:
OP download the book. The truth about Muhammad by Robert Spencer...its an eye opener.

Muslims would avoid this topic because any wrong statement they make could cost them their head(Literally)

You read your stuupid books and just conclude they're eye openers? By whose standards? For every book you read there's a corresponding one about jesus I can bring forth and say the same thing. You read these books, you see what you what the author wants to see, and if you're biased in the first place and it flows with your ideologies, it doesnt matter how absurd it is, you just nod in agreement.

Yinkame123:
I seems not to understand what the writer is driving at. It's indisputable that Quran is a revelation from Allah to Prophet Muhammad through angel Jubril. To use a simple logic since what the op uses is logic if I asked you to tell a friend that ' if you don't give me my money in three days I will make sure I get you arrested by the police'. The quran container 6666 verses and 124 chapters scientific[b] research has proven that the words it contains is not that of a man but someone in the highest realm of the universe. [/b]

Which scientific research has shown that the Koran contains words that is not that if a man you liar?

dalaman:
Which scientific research has shown that the Koran contains words that is not that if a man you liar?

Theres a difference between having a different understanding or opinion from yours to lying. I'm guessing youre a former christian because christians in general tend to think having a different understanding to theirs is "lying"

VomeSchakleton:
Theres a difference between having a different understanding or opinion from yours to lying. I'm guessing youre a former christian because christians in general tend to think having a different understanding to theirs is "lying"

Its not a case of having a different opinion. This is an outright lie. Show me the peer reviewed scientific research that says the Koran contains words that are not from humans or agree he was lying.

VomeSchakleton:
In your limited knowledge of the Quran I'm sure you've come across who was responsible for the revelation of the Quran to Muhammad yes? Moses in islam has the distinction of speaking to Allah directly hence his nickname Kallimullah (he who spoke to Allah).


If Gabriel reported, he would report what he is asked to report, I fail to see how that's a problem. Unlike you angels have no freewill in islam, contrary to your beliefs satan was not an angel but a higher jinn. Jinns have freewill hence his rebellion. Even if the Quran was reported in the form you stipulate, Muhammad still had to pass this message to people, after which they memorised and eventually wrote down. Now imagine if he was speaking to them in the form of "I...". That would be pretty fvcking confusing. Only Im.beciles won't understand this logic, and from what you've been posting, you sir are a god amongst Im.beciles


It's utterly foolish and ridiculous that Christians think that an angel who was created without freewill by God the almighty would go against his nature. It's blasphemous and illogical. But I guess you don't truly understand God or is capabilities since you're deluded enough to think he had a son who eat, shat and bled. This is even though he never claimed he was God or his son.

Like I said, in most cases, Christian=stuupid.

Why did allaah seem speaking directly as in 'We' and 'Us' through Gabriel and the same Gabriel still reporting allaah as in 'Allah' and 'His'? Why was Gabriel inconsistent?

All things being equal, you should be able to detect that manipulations were going on.

annunaki2:
On the contrary there is no single shred of evidence that the quoran has any divine origin, it's at best a product of demonic possession and hallucinations of mohammed. Also stop this lie that you muslims love to peddle, science has never and can never authenticated the quoran as the quoran is full of too many lies, errors, contradictions, inconsistencies and outright rubbish.

Can you give at least 5 Contractions with evidence from Quran?

Bobbywallexino:
Can you give at least 5 Contractions with evidence from Quran?

See them here:

www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

Bobbywallexino:
Can you give at least 5 Contractions with evidence from Quran?

Find them here:

www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

truthmans2012:
See them here:

www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

these are not contractions, am expecting disagreement like the trumpet will not be blown from Quran. idea one or more are less concerned.
these two verses stated below, I need to know the differences Co's am not so good at English.For whom is salvation?
For all pious theists
Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians, - any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.

Qur'an 5:69
For all pious theists
Verily! Those who believe and
those who are Jews and
Christians, and Sabians ,
whoever believes in Allah and
the Last Day and do righteous
good deeds shall have their
reward with their Lord, on
them shall be no fear, nor shall
they grieve.
Qur'an 2:62

Bobbywallexino:
these are not contractions, am expecting disagreement like the trumpet will not be blown from Quran. idea one or more are less concerned.
these two verses stated below, I need to know the differences Co's am not so good at English.For whom is salvation?
For all pious theists
Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians, - any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.

Qur'an 5:69
For all pious theists
Verily! Those who believe and
those who are Jews and
Christians, and Sabians ,
whoever believes in Allah and
the Last Day and do righteous
good deeds shall have their
reward with their Lord, on
them shall be no fear, nor shall
they grieve.
Qur'an 2:62

If those clear contradictions are not contradictions to you, it is because you are not good at English.

truthmans2012:
If those clear contradictions are not contradictions to you, it is because you are not good at English.

you didn't provide the answer for the Question I asked you . both points I quoted, tell me the differencce