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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 6:18am On Jul 21, 2016
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 8:05pm On Jul 21, 2016
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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by oddie17: 9:43am On Jul 28, 2016
I see that some people believe that homosexuality is caused by demons... I beg to differ because if we say that it is caused exclusively by demons then the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were killed for being possessed and that's bleeped up... I believe every person is responsible for his actions and we need to start being responsible instead of blaming one old man in your village... Homosexuality is just the way of life of some people no matter how bleeped up it seems to you and I but to them it is perfectly normal, the same way kleptomaniacs steal stuffs...
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 11:12pm On Jul 30, 2016
oddie17:
I see that some people believe that homosexuality is caused by demons... I beg to differ because if we say that it is caused exclusively by demons then the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were killed for being possessed and that's bleeped up... I believe every person is responsible for his actions and we need to start being responsible instead of blaming one old man in your village... Homosexuality is just the way of life of some people no matter how bleeped up it seems to you and I but to them it is perfectly normal, the same way kleptomaniacs steal stuffs...


By your words, then it is gross injustice to punish a kleptomaniac for stealing. A point of correction though, demons DO NOT compel nor force anyone to act in some certain ways.

Demons suggest and give reasons why a person should act in a socially destructive act but do not have the power to compel a person to obey it. Everyone is responsible for his/her actions.

If I ask you to eat feaces because it is ladden with vitamins and protein, would you do it? If you did eat it can you fully blame me?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by Nobody: 12:13am On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:
An argument I hear often amongst gays is that they were born that way. Look in nature, is there any animal whos sexual preference is of the same sex?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
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Kleptomania, on the other hand, is a mental disorder where the person gains a sort of 'high' or 'hormone rush' from stealing, just as some people are adrenaline junkies and enjoy activities that boost adrenaline levels, kleptomaniacs enjoy stealing, but stealing is not allowed, its harmful to other humans so we can't let kleptomaniacs have their way.

Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 12:54am On Jul 31, 2016
I must confess, the pix are quite amusing.

Don't you think gays enjoy being gay too?

The argument that if animals do it, it must be right is not true. Example, A male goat or a dog will happily mate (have s*x) with it mum with no iota of shame. Do we justify this behaviour as normal among humans just because we see examples in nature?

When animals commit incest, do they harm anyone?

I submit that this argument of yours is very very weak.

Some animals vomit and eat up the mess. If any human does that, he will need to see a psychiatrist ....I am sure you agree with me.

It is a choice to be gay. I strongly believe that such a person succumbed to the idea suggested by demons..to the level of fantasising , obsession ad of course reality.

If you have seen nasty demons cast out of people, you will probably modify your stance.

Let me add that Beastiality is another kind of demon disease. It doesn't hurt anyone for Gods sake. But, even you who is liberal about sexuality will claim that such a person is SICK.

Homosexuality and Beastiality are very similar. The only difference is, the Western world is NOT yet in support of Beastiality.

If you can conclude that Beastiality is a normal human behaviour, then Homosexuality is even more normal.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by geswith: 10:20am On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


Oh really, you dont say

Please can you show us the statistics?

and homosexuality have been found in chimps, sheeps and many other mammals, do demons attack these animals too?

I live in the north and i have alot of sheep that i keep for domestic purposes.i have never found any form of gay tendencies in the male sheep.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 11:33am On Jul 31, 2016
geswith:


I live in the north and i have alot of sheep that i keep for domestic purposes.i have never found any form of gay tendencies in the male sheep.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...Researches has been made around the world and even though its rare, it does happen...
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by geswith: 12:47pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...Researches has been made around the world and even though its rare, it does happen...

i have been keeping sheep for a very long time.for more than 10 years and i have not seen such even once.
All these claims just to backup fucking a fellow man in the ass.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by Cyberclint: 1:11pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:
undecided

I agree that some men can achieve sodomy, and some have sodomy thrust upon them
BUT
I do NOT agree that some men are born sodomites. Statistics show that most homosexuals were exposed to influences by older homos while they were young.

If you ask me, I will say homosexuality is a soul disease caused by demons.
Demons?
Lol, loler, lolest
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 1:18pm On Jul 31, 2016
dalaman:


Gays are naturally born gay. Google is your friend. Homosexuality exist in almost all mammalian species m step outside your comfort zone and learn new things. Recent studies and research shows that even psychopaths are born that way.

Who created them gay?The same God that created Man to woman?The same God that condemn gays?.

Will the same judgment go against mammalians?did Bible recommend them to sit at the judgement sit like human?Where they created in God's Image?Is God's law read to them?do they belong to any religion?From which country and political party do they belong or hail from?Did they attend each others burials?What is the name of their pastors or Imams e.t.c?Tell me the name of condom they use,who is barbing and weaving their hairs?.e.t.c.....

So your justification for Gays been born gays where based on the fact that some Mammals are doing the same?or do you have another prove from the creator?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 1:25pm On Jul 31, 2016
jayriginal:
In addition to what has been said, it should be pointed out that being gay hurts nobody. Stealing does.
it hurts some parents cries every day seeing their children engaging in homosexuality,So you mean they're crying for fun?if they're not hurt why are they crying?.....First define HURTS before using it.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 1:31pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


its obvious you dont understand biology.

Godforbid, we somehow ended up in a post-nuclear war era where there is no clean water, only kerosene, and these young woman of yours drinks kerosine and it does no harm to her, well who do you think would survive better? who do you think would be able to live long enough to pass on her genes?, what do you think her children's advantages would be in that horrible era?

Random mutations creates different features in organisms, what becomes the so-called "Normal" depends on which features fits best into the given environment, that doesnt mean we still wouldnot see features that are strange to the norm

Are you saying gays are limited to ladies that's why they opted to the readily available?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 1:31pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:


Who created them gay?The same God that created Man to woman?The same God that condemn gays?.

Will the same judgment go against mammalians?did Bible recommend them to sit at the judgement sit like human?Where they created in God's Image?Is God's law read to them?do they belong to any religion?From which country and political party do they belong or hail from?Did they attend each others burials?What is the name of their pastors or Imams e.t.c?Tell me the name of condom they use,who is barbing and weaving their hairs?.e.t.c.....

So your justification for Gays been born gays where based on the fact that some Mammals are doing the same?or do you have another prove from the creator?

God did not create anyone Gay just as God did not create anyone kleptomaniac. God created us as babies....we grow up influenced by our environment to different tendencies.

Are there homosexual babies to justify your claim?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 1:34pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:


God did not create anyone Gay just as God did not create anyone kleptomaniac. God created us as babies....we grow up influenced by our environment to different tendencies.

Are there homosexual babies to justify your claim?
Are you sure you read and understand that I am against gays?read my comment again bruh
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 1:39pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:


Are you saying gays are limited to ladies that's why they opted to the readily available?

No, thats not what i was saying... I said what is considered normal is the random feature that best fits the environment, that doesn't mean strange features wont occur time and again.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 1:43pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:


God did not create anyone Gay just as God did not create anyone kleptomaniac. God created us as babies....we grow up influenced by our environment to different tendencies.

Are there homosexual babies to justify your claim?

Hi bro, how you doin, as usual, you know i would disagree with you above...when did you choose to be an heterosexual?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 1:43pm On Jul 31, 2016
Cyberclint:

Demons?
Lol, loler, lolest

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your ignorance aboutbthe spirit rhelm. If you don't understand, apply the law of reason
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 1:48pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


Hi bro, how you doin, as usual, you know i would disagree with you above...when did you choose to be an heterosexual?

Just as you at puberty. I was lucky though not to have been under negative influences (infections) that could have predisposed me to homosexuality.

Long time Friend. How are you today?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 1:49pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


No, thats not what i was saying... I said what is considered normal is the random feature that best fits the environment, that doesn't mean strange features wont occur time and again.
With your submission here,you'll have to believe with the content that gays are not born gays,the same way smokers are not born smokers.So let no one deceive him or her self saying or believing that gays are created to be gays.According to you it is a strange occurrence featuring those who don't respect God the creator himself who condemned homosexuality in totality.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by Cyberclint: 1:50pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:


Your ignorance is exceeded only by your ignorance aboutbthe spirit rhelm. If you don't understand, apply the law of reason
jhoor o! Anything that is not right in religion you term it spiritual. Well I wouldn't argue with you, am yet to do a research about gays. But know what? They are humans! And they deserve the rights every human has.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 2:06pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:


Just as you at puberty. I was lucky though not to have been under negative influences (infections) that could have predisposed me to homosexuality.

Long time Friend. How are you today?

Infections,Lol,I feel you havent met alot of homosexuals and interacted with them. If you have, you would know that these people are just as normal as you and i, and are just by default wired to their sexual orientation.

Some people are abused, yes, but think about it, does being abused make you crave it or hate it?

Many women who were raped as a child by their uncles or fathers tend to hate having sex when they are older, why?, that experience traumatised them for life.
why do you claim the opposite is the case for people abused by homosexuals?

I am great!, how was your service today, assuming you went!

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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 2:12pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:
With your submission here,you'll have to believe with the content that gays are not born gays,the same way smokers are not born smokers.So let no one deceive him or her self saying or believing that gays are created to be gays.According to you it is a strange occurrence featuring those who don't respect God the creator himself who condemned homosexuality in totality.

I was speaking from an evolutionary point of view, which i am certain you would disagree with, and its fine, but if you were born to love girls and obviously noone can change you to do otherwise, then why do you feel that these people just choose to change?.

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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 2:28pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


I was speaking from an evolutionary point of view, which i am certain you would disagree with, and its fine, but if you were born to love girls and obviously noone can change you to do otherwise, then why do you feel that these people just choose to change?.
Evolutionary against God's directives,laws and commands?God approved man to woman marriages which he said go into the world and bear fruits something Man to man or woman to woman can't give you.

As a man,I derived my attraction to ladies because of that same command and directives from God which also stated wives to be submissive to their husband.Man to Man or woman to woman can never ever produce Husband and Wive.

I have proven to you where I derived my urge for ladies from,is now your turn to explain yours to me which I know you've no single justification for.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by EVarn(m): 3:08pm On Jul 31, 2016
shadeyinka:
I have seen a man who eats his own feaces. Would you say thatbis normal? How will you explain the rational behind a young woman who drinks kerosine? Is it normal for a young girl to eat soil?

There are many irrational behaviours among the homo spiens. I have seen demons that afflict people in that respect being cast out and the people in question set free from their pervasion.

I was speaking from experience and not textbook speculations.
Going by your arguement,we can safely conclude that heterosexuality is not normal.Afterall,no one is born heterosexual,right?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 3:11pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:
Evolutionary against God's directives,laws and commands?God approved man to woman marriages which he said go into the world and bear fruits something Man to man or woman to woman can't give you.

As a man,I derived my attraction to ladies because of that same command and directives from God which also stated wives to be submissive to their husband.Man to Man or woman to woman can never ever produce Husband and Wive.

I have proven to you where I derived my urge for ladies from,is now your turn to explain yours to me which I know you've no single justification for.

Lol, i am not a homosexual o, i am a humanist and i believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect, including this people that are regarded as "demon possessed".

You see our fundamental differences, i dont believe that directive was from God. I cant go into details on how genes work because it would take a long time and you would just end up not accepting it anyways, so no need. I would only say that just because something is repulsive to you doesnt mean its a taboo.

In China, they eat frog, you hardly see a Nigerian eating frog and if you were to come across one who does, it would be strange and almost repulsive, you would be tempted to call him a demon or demon-possessed. If he gets to china, he would be as normal as it gets.

So you see, the "Normal" is dependant on the environment, speaking in a broader terms now, from an evolutionary point of view, heterosexuals have a greater chance of passing on their genes to the next generation, making them more suited for the environment and thus why we have more people being heterosexuals, but that doesnt mean that mutations in our DNA doesnt produce other types of sexual orientations. So as long as they are not hurting anybody, i suggest you live and let live.

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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 3:23pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


Lol, i am not a homosexual o, i am a humanist and i believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect, including this people that are regarded as "demon possessed".

You see our fundamental differences, i dont believe that directive was from God. I cant go into details on how genes work because it would take a long time and you would just end up not accepting it anyways, so no need. I would only say that just because something is repulsive to you doesnt mean its a taboo.

In China, they eat frog, you hardly see a Nigerian eating frog and if you were to come across one who does, it would be strange and almost repulsive, you would be tempted to call him a demon or demon-possessed. If he gets to china, he would be as normal as it gets.

So you see, the "Normal" is dependant on the environment, speaking in a broader terms now, from an evolutionary point of view, heterosexuals have a greater chance of passing on their genes to the next generation, making them more suited for the environment and thus why we have more people being heterosexuals, but that doesnt mean that mutations in our DNA doesnt produce other types of sexual orientations. So as long as they are not hurting anybody, i suggest you live and let live.

So at the end your explanation,it finally help me with the question that Man to man can produce what?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by alobright17(m): 3:33pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


Lol, i am not a homosexual o, i am a humanist and i believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect, including this people that are regarded as "demon possessed".

You see our fundamental differences, i dont believe that directive was from God. I cant go into details on how genes work because it would take a long time and you would just end up not accepting it anyways, so no need. I would only say that just because something is repulsive to you doesnt mean its a taboo.

In China, they eat frog, you hardly see a Nigerian eating frog and if you were to come across one who does, it would be strange and almost repulsive, you would be tempted to call him a demon or demon-possessed. If he gets to china, he would be as normal as it gets.

So you see, the "Normal" is dependant on the environment, speaking in a broader terms now, from an evolutionary point of view, heterosexuals have a greater chance of passing on their genes to the next generation, making them more suited for the environment and thus why we have more people being heterosexuals, but that doesnt mean that mutations in our DNA doesnt produce other types of sexual orientations. So as long as they are not hurting anybody, i suggest you live and let live.

You keep hitting off track especially from the original argument.I still stand to say that Gays were not born to be gays unless you can prove to me that smokers are born to be smokers.

Live and let live should be extended to thieves and to all other evil doers.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by donnffd(m): 3:45pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:


You keep hitting off track especially from the original argument.I still stand to say that Gays were not born to be gays unless you can prove to me that smokers are born to be smokers.

Live and let live should be extended to thieves and to all other evil doers.

1. Homosexuality cannot be compared with smoking, the best yardstick you can compare it with is Heterosexuality, so if gays are not born gays, then straights are also not born straights

2. I said "as long as they are not hurting anybody, live and let live"

3. How can you group homosexuals as thieves and evil doers?, what exactly is the crime of this people?, because what ever crime they are doing, you also are doing.

NB: the homophobia in this country is alarming

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Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 4:13pm On Jul 31, 2016
Cyberclint:

jhoor o! Anything that is not right in religion you term it spiritual. Well I wouldn't argue with you, am yet to do a research about gays. But know what? They are humans! And they deserve the rights every human has.

I agree with you, gays are human. They should NOT be hated nor discriminated against. However, they should be persuaded to seek treatment from their unnatural cravings. If smokers are not born, then homosexuals are not born but made.

I'm sorry I was rude and hash to you in my previous post to you.
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 4:15pm On Jul 31, 2016
alobright17:
With your submission here,you'll have to believe with the content that gays are not born gays,the same way smokers are not born smokers.So let no one deceive him or her self saying or believing that gays are created to be gays.According to you it is a strange occurrence featuring those who don't respect God the creator himself who condemned homosexuality in totality.

Excellent post.!
Is smoking hereditary?
Re: If Gays Are Born Gay, Are Kleptomaniacs Born Kleptomaniac? by shadeyinka(m): 4:32pm On Jul 31, 2016
donnffd:


Infections,Lol,I feel you havent met alot of homosexuals and interacted with them. If you have, you would know that these people are just as normal as you and i, and are just by default wired to their sexual orientation.

Some people are abused, yes, but think about it, does being abused make you crave it or hate it?

Many women who were raped as a child by their uncles or fathers tend to hate having sex when they are older, why?, that experience traumatised them for life.
why do you claim the opposite is the case for people abused by homosexuals?

I am great!, how was your service today, assuming you went!

An abuse may not be unpleasant. When I was much younger, we used to have a neighbor who lure boys to his house, give them "Orange Squash" ..you remember that orange drink (I don't think they make it again), sweets and biscuits... and then "plays with them". I didn't even understand what was going on until our parents began to warn us about going to his house.

Just as Smokers, there always exist a day of INITIATION!

Don't forget that even with smoking, not every one who has smoked become bound to smoking.

You keep talking about " being normal"?

A wife beater looks normal outside!
A kleptomaniac looks normal on the outside!
A Nymphomanic looks normal on the outside!
Armed Robbers look normal on the outside!
A Ritualist look normal on the outside! (This ones should be sentenced...)
...the list is endless of "normal people" who need psychiatrist treatment.

So, the fact that they dress well, speak queens English and are educated may not qualify them as really normal.

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