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Thank you Rev'd. Samson Olasupo Adeniyi Ayokunle, the new National President of the Christian Association of Nigeria

Encyclopedia1:
U see how foolish u are. In our days and I'm sure till now, on assembly ground what song do the pupils sing? Ogbanje song or Christian songs? Did Muslims complain? Now, hijab has been legalised and u guys want to kill yourselves. I beg go and then.

Pls try and be civil in your comments. Both Christians and Muslims pray at assemblies in every mixed-faith school. Wearing hijab is pure religious. It is an identity thing which is misplaced in a secular institution.

Lightening:
You Muslims don't care yet a Muslim state governor is spearheading the alteration of Christian religious doctrines and teachings? Are you sure of what you are saying?

It is a very simple case. The dress code in schools today conforms to the Christain mode of dressing but against that of Muslims. The Muslims are saying that they want to dress according to Islamic dictates, how is this a case for God's Sake. Must they dress like christians? Haba nawa o.

Nusaf:
Pls can u mention a particular case anywhere in Nigeria in which a non muslim was tried according to Sharia Law?

To a lesser extent, a similar situation has prevailed in Kano, at least in the state capital. While predominantly Muslim, Kano State has a significant minority of other groups. Alcohol has been sold openly in some areas, for example in the area known as Sabon Gari which is populated mostly by people who are neither Muslims nor northerners. However, in May 2004, it was reported that a new law outlawing the consumption of alcohol throughout Kano State, even for Christians, had been passed by the Kano State house of assembly.

tafabaloo:
Rev'd. Samson Olasupo Adeniyi Ayokunle, the new National President of the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN’s, interview, in which the cleric outlines the challenges ahead of him and calls on the Federal Government to hasten to restructure the nation and revamp the economy because the people are hungry.

Let him try it and he will know how people can shut down government. If he wants to kill, he will have so many people to kill. Let him try it. He will tell us whether it is only one set of religious students that have right and others don’t have. I have said it that people in that level of management should not, by their statements polarise the situation more than what was on ground before. What stops him from keeping quiet, than fuelling the situation?

The issue of hijab and many other issues like the proposed education curriculum tend to make many people believe there is a plot to Islamize this nation. Are you of the same opinion, and if yes, what will the Christian community do?

Whether there is Islamization or not, Christianity in Nigeria is under siege. We can all see what is on ground. I’m not talking about belief, I’m talking about facts. Christianity is under siege. How can somebody say that he is doing a reform in the curriculum and change Christian doctrine and think that we will keep quiet? They will be teaching in that new educational curriculum that Jesus Christ is not the son of God. Is that Christian teaching? And you call it Christian Religious Knowledge? Where did you bring that one from if you are not just provoking anger in other people? You want to be teaching that Jesus is not the son of God and that He did not die on the cross and that He did not rise from the dead. You are saying there’s nothing like Christianity. Is that education? Who drew the curriculum? It can never see the light of the day. You know that CAN is already on it. I think some time ago before I travelled, I saw government apologizing over that and I need to commend the government for that; that they knew that the curriculum was in bad taste. I think what the government ought to do is to investigate the people responsible for such a thing. If it is still in the National Educational Research Council, that person should be sanctioned. What was the intention? I think the best thing is to dismiss that individual from service. He or she wants to set the nation on fire. If you see what is happening…Joseph Zechariah Kura, an Evangelical Church Winning All pastor in Nassarawa State was butchered. The following week, a woman in Abuja was killed. Somebody was not a Muslim, he wanted to eat in his shop in Kaduna, he was stabbed. The one in Kano, you were doing ablution in front of another woman’s shop and she stopped them. She was killed. A Catholic Church opened for service in Niger State on Friday and you said Friday was specifically for you. Who told you that others should not worshiping God on Friday except you? Don’t we see other religious adherents do their service on Sunday? Has anybody attacked them? And our authorities keep quiet as if nothing is happening. We will not allow them to rest until they speak out and do something. There is a siege! And when we are talking, it is not because we want to set the nation on fire but because we don’t want the nation to be on fire. Let there be mutual respect. We used to live together mutually, it was not like this. Let’s return to that time, that’s what we are saying. When we had Muslims and Christians in the same family and they were eating and wining together. Where has this type of spirit come from? I think it’s the spirit of end time putting Christianity under siege. We are too many in this nation for somebody to think that they can overrun us. .as we live and as long as God gives us our breath, we will not allow anybody to force any religion on us.

What steps will you take to rebuild the churches in North East? Beyond the North East, what should the Christian community expect from your tenure? And there is also the fact that till now there are no Certificates of Occupancy issued to churches in the whole of the North…

Pastor Oritsejafor’s administration was very involved in rebuilding the lives of people who have been affe In terms of what Pastor Ayo has done, God gave that man resources and he spent it for the Church. It is very difficult for you to have another Christian leader that can have that advantage and that type of spirit. I am coming from an established organisation which does not allow me to spend half kobo from collection unless what it is approved. And before approval is given, it will pass through many tables. As an established organisation, you know that we have our own ministries; internally displaced people, widows and so on that we attend to with several millions. We will do our best but you better not compare because areas of ministry differ. What I can assure you is that I will not keep my mouth shut until all the people who are passing through suffering and hard times and people who have been victims of this insurgency have been properly taken care of either through CAN or through the government or non-governmental organisations. I was at the World Council of Churches and I was shouting at the top of my voice that internally displaced people in Nigeria should be attended to. And by the grace of God, from February or March this coming year, the World Council of Churches is coming to lay the foundation of an international inter-faith religious center in Kaduna so that what led to the Boko Haram insurgency might not repeat itself in our nation. And the Baptist World Alliance adopted a resolution which has already been passed to President Obama that he should employ an envoy to take care specifically of the internally displaced people in Nigeria. So we will build on what Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor has done but the style may be different because the access that we have to resources differs. On the issue of C of O for churches in the North, I think we will engage lawyers to address the matter. If any church is denied C of O, we will like to have the records and the reasons for the denial and we may challenge that in the court of law. Nigerians cannot be treated as aliens in their own land.

What will be your cardinal agenda? Will it be a two-point agenda or four-point agenda?

Go and get my acceptance speech, you will see my agenda there.

I have seen your acceptance speech; there was no mention of NIREC. What will be the new relationship of CAN with the Islamic community considering the fact that NIREC has been moribund for some time now…

Mine is to look at what happened. I have told the National Secretariat to send a letter to the Sultan of Sokoto to inform him that we have a new administration, a new CAN President, and I’ll take it up from there.

What’s your own approach to the proposal for grazing reserves?

We have shown our opposition to that. Ranches are better. Let the Fulani men who are professionals in cattle rearing, wherever they want to buy land, let them take money from their pockets and buy it because they sell cows to us; so why should it be government buying land for them? Will they buy land for mechanics also? Are they going to buy land for pastors to plant churches? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. They should not take our public funds to buying land for Fulani herdsmen. They are doing their private businesses. They amputated the leg of my cousin in our village. When the girl was coming from the river, they met her, they wanted to take her, she was running away, unfortunately she fell and they amputated her leg. It was Baptist hospital that helped us on that lady, an unmarried lady. It pains my hearts. What wickedness. I cannot allow herdsmen in my backyard. Any family who wants to sell land to them, I’m not hindering you; you can go ahead and sell but let them buy it themselves.

in 2014, the Jonathan administration organized a National Conference where recommendations were made including the one in favour of the restructuring of the nation. But the Buhari government says it has nothing to do with the recommendations. How do you respond?


The statement of the President is that he has not even opened the report of the National Conference. How can you conclude that a document is not good when you have not seen the content? Someone occupying such a position who is looking for the best solution to move us forward will not have that type of bias. You can’t condemn what you don’t know about. People gathered from all over the nation, money was spent on it; even for the sake of the money that was spent on it, public money, wouldn’t you read the report? If you don’t have time, give it to people that will analyse it critically for you and you will be able to bring certain things up that you are going to use. Somebody looking for a way out will not throw away completely a suggestion that is coming from another angle. We have seen this in Nigeria government, not with this administration alone. We have seen it in the past, where many projects will just be abandoned because the party in power does not buy into it and the citizens suffer for it. Everybody sees that this present federal system is not the way federalism is operated. I read political science in the university. In the U.S, to a large extent, each of the states has autonomy. We need to restructure.


On the issue of the states being in charge of their resources, the Niger Delta Avengers and other groups are clamouring for that and they are bombing pipelines. What do you have to say concerning that? Is it good or is it bad?

There is a theorem in psychology that says that resort to aggression depends on the degree of frustration. The more frustrated people are, the more aggressive they are. I think the government in power made some miscalculations because before they came on board, these people have been checkmated and there was an agreement that made them to continue to feel satisfied and government satisfied for natural revenue to be coming. That shouldn’t have been jettisoned. And if there will be moderation to it, it should be minimal so that it will not degenerate into the present situation that we are experiencing. I was reading the newspaper some days ago that the revenue has fallen by over 40%. What is anybody gaining from that? That is the reason I told you they need a more potent economic outfit to move this country forward. The Avengers are not doing the best thing by taking the law into their hands. But it is good for the government to have time to sit down with them because for every problem, there is a solution.

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the CAN PRESIDENT has become economical with the truth. Even if I have not seen the reform on those subject, u don't believe those points he raised are in those reform. As a Muslim, I know that for you to separate Jesus from Christianity, then Christianity is void . I also know that the reform is both islamic studies and Christianity. Nit Islam alone. Also the ministry of education are not predominantly Muslims that they will fold there arms for it to Br islamized. I have lost faith in our religious leaders because they now fan the ember of religious violent. Also hijab is part of Islamic life, we wear it always and everywhere. Unlike the robe, it is only worn on service days. In fact not all Christian own or wear robe, except the garment churches and choir members. It is unfortunate that we are using school children to fight these religious issue. We have succeeded in planting the seed of religious intolerance in them. Why don't you ask civil servants to wear robes to work, because of Muslim women who do same at work. I bet those parents will never comply, as they force their kids do same.

MKO4ever:
everyone is aware of John 3:16 and Co. but in all of these verses, I am saying where did Jesus himself tell anybody that he is the only begotten son of God?

This is unbelievable. Are you even sure you read my post? Obviously you did not do the homework I gave you. It's a pity. A lot of people will see this post and profit from it, yet you to whom it is directed will not learn anything from it.

Of your type it was said by Jesus, "the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people producing its fruits."
And another "they will listen and listen but they will never hear because their heart has become cold."

Go back and reread my post. Enough with the laziness.

MKO4ever:
Nothing like that either in the Quran or Bible. And I am still saying Jesus never said he is the (begotten, not made) son of God. Ask your Jehovah's witness fellow.

well my Bible called Jesus the son of God. If that's not OK by you then you can go and knock your head on the ground as ushy

Lightening:
Pls try and be civil in your comments. Both Christians and Muslims pray at assemblies in every mixed-faith school. Wearing hijab is pure religious. It is an identity thing which is misplaced in a secular institution.

So because they are in mixed schools, they must dress according to the dress code of the other religion? Why not the other way round? The Muslims say they want to wear hijab and they are not forcing it on anybody, so what exactly is the problem? If u talk about identity, shouldn't one be proud to be identified with his religion? Moreover, the CAN president said the Christians will continue to wear church gowns, is anybody protesting against that? So what exactly is the problem?

I see a strong man standing up to fight for his people in this disgusting administration.
But ward of advice for u sir,... please don't let them come close to I with there money bag. is an infection that has no cure.

Instead of them to fight for good governance there are fooling around...

[quote author=olamilekan001 post=48273714]GUY YOU ONLY THINK IN ONE DIRECTION.



Give me ur own direction. We are here to engage in robust debating on our socioeconomic or political plan.

Farmerforlife:
Mere outdated propaganda mindlessly repeated. No serious scholar of history takes these allegations seriously anymore.

Do you mean the kind of mass annihilations that were carried out by Christian missionaries in South and North America, Spain and Portugal, North, South, East, West Africa and across Asia through colonialist armies and conquistadors? No, there were no such things done by Islam. Christians in the levant, Byzantium, and North Africa were so tired of Christian divisions, cruelty and oppression, that they rushed to Islam in droves. To prove that there were no annihilations, descendants of Christian settlers still live in all these countries, compare to the Muslim and Jewish genocides carried out in medieval Spain and Portugal. No non combatants were ever killed in all the Muslim wars, compare to the Spanish conquistador conquest of the Aztecs and Mayans where entire cities were wiped out 'in the name of God'. No one was ever forced to convert to Islam, so much so that some of your historians have even theorised that the early Islamic State even discouraged conversions of non Muslims so that they could collect more jizya (there is no pleasing christians), compare this to the actions of your priests of 'love filled lives' during the inquisition which gave the real meaning to the words 'forceful conversions', where Muslim and Jewish families were looted, and forced to convert in front of blazing pyres. Even coming back to Africa, did your great grandparents accept Christianity voluntarily, especially the ones taken on slave ships to provide slave labour to good christians? Go read about the abuses of the British/french/Belgian colonialism in all the territory under their control. Read up about how christians justified slavery of black people as 'the will of God' straight from the bible, while you are at it.

Then come back here and tell me that Islam was spread at the point of a sword, while christianity was spread voluntarily through light and love.

Jolted right? No amount of conspiracy theories will rewrite history. Go and read how the Ottomans of Turkey destroyed and murdered Christians and seized churches, schools and changed them to mosques. How did Othman Dan Fodio spread Islam in Africa? Through preaching and love?

There is no glory at all in forcefully converting people into Islam through persecution, blackmail, violence, terrorism and sheer wickedness and turn around to gloat about a blood- thirsty fastest growing religion.

The reason why the Muslims are striving for the use of hijab is because all their wards are dullard and they want them to be writing answers on their hijab for test and exams. In my school, Malaysia; students are not allowed to use hijab to enter exam hall because they are educated fox, unlike this evil people in Naija, always encouraging cheating from childhood to adulthood. And the Naija Muslim believe as a muslim when u cheat to help or defend yourself is not sin.

2odd:
To a lesser extent, a similar situation has prevailed in Kano, at least in the state capital. While predominantly Muslim, Kano State has a significant minority of other groups. Alcohol has been sold openly in some areas, for example in the area known as Sabon Gari which is populated mostly by people who are neither Muslims nor northerners. However, in May 2004, it was reported that a new law outlawing the consumption of alcohol throughout Kano State, even for Christians, had been passed by the Kano State house of assembly.

The question is; which Christian was tried according to Sharia Law? Even with the said law against the consumption of alcohol, was any non muslim arrested and tried according to the Islamic law? Regarding the Act against consumption of alcohol, then I must tell u that no Christain will be arrested for its consumption. And if u need to buy, u can always get it from the nearest military barracks. Or are u telling me that since the law was passed, nobody has taken alcohol in Kano? Certainly, u can't tell me that because I'm a northerner.

alowonle02:
I don't think dis man is carefully screened before emerged as a CAN president because all what he was sayying is totally confussed and trying to cause religion rift in our nation. Should CAN or christianity has issue with government let it go court and see judgement from court rather than behaving as if it is above d law.

No, it is the other way. The governor should have sought the interpretation of the court before embarking on this journey of no return. To even imagine that what is bothering a nonperforming governor like him that has virtually run Osun state aground is hijab is worrisome in the least.

Nusaf:
The question is; which Christian was tried according to Sharia Law? Even with the said law against the consumption of alcohol, was any non muslim arrested and tried according to the Islamic law? Regarding the Act against consumption of alcohol, then I must tell u that no Christain will be arrested for its consumption. And if u need to buy, u can always get it from the nearest military barracks. Or are u telling me that since the law was passed, nobody has taken alcohol in Kano? Certainly, u can't tell me that because I'm a northerner.

simple ,if there's a curfew n u breach it would there not b a punishment. ??. For a law to b pass on all citizenry barring their religious affiliations means they are subjected to the same punishment .

This is the high time most of this religion leader to atleast be little bit tolerance towards each other .......I dont think it is worth wailing here and there because one particular faith was granted freedom to wear hijab as court considerd it as their compulsary code of dressing....if xtain nid theres they can approach court on that instead of draggin their feet on what is imbroglio....dis is highly intolerance on the part xtian leader that support this course.....

lastmessenger:
well my Bible called Jesus the son of God. If that's not OK by you then you can go and knock your head on the ground as ushy

The same way Bible called David, Solomon, Abraham, you and I the son of God. can you just be reasonable?

MKO4ever:
Anyone that wears hijab or church robes to school, but refuses to wear same to a birthday party is a bigot.
I read in one book that Jesus never called himself the son of God. if that is true why are we deceiving these children by teaching them what is not true.

See your level of " ignoranimity". Shioor! You read in one book. The one wey I write or Wole Soyinka write. Anyone can write one book like you said "you read in one book". Smh. So far it's not the world's oldest book that says it: the bible,then I ddon't bbelieve.

You can read "two book" all I care. One book koor, two book nii.

Sermwell:
Click like if you think this man is high on kwale weed

WAKA Sermwell. So na only kwale weeds dy high past? Pls respect every man of God. And respect my Town KWALE.

Though the article is long let them continue to wear choir robes.CAN should do a census of students without robe and call for public donation and i will donate ten times any value CAN asks Chhristians should wake up,Christianity is under siege this administration is too bent against muslim rise up and wake up christians this is a clarion call.We can't be re-nailed to the cross after our Savior has already gone thru that 2000years plus ago.Speak up.Neutraility is not an option

Lightening:
Jolted right? No amount of conspiracy theories will rewrite history. Go and read how the Ottomans of Turkey destroyed and murdered Christians and seized churches, schools and changed them to mosques. How did Othman Dan Fodio spread Islam in Africa? Through preaching and love?

There is no glory at all in forcefully converting people into Islam through persecution, blackmail, violence, terrorism and sheer wickedness and turn around to gloat about a blood- thirsty fastest growing religion.

The Ottomans were barely clinging to their Islamic faith and had no Islamic justifications for their actions. Uthman dan Fodio did not convert any Christians to Islam, he only sought to purify existing Muslims of idol worship and fetish practices. Are you now ready to discuss how christianity was spread? Be that as it may, no religion lacks its version of overzealousness and periods of darkness. Unfortunately for Christian apologists, the christian periods of dark violence far exceeded that of any other religion's, before or since. Christians talking about the violent conversions by Muslims is like a very old charcoal pot calling a brand new kettle black.

aniteze:
WAKA Sermwell. So na only kwale weeds dy high past? Pls respect every man of God. And respect my Town KWALE.

I respect your town so much And if you have taken kwale weed before, you will understand why
As for god of men, forget them! They are all bunch of useless folks! They have countless opportunities to tell these politicians the truth when they attend their churches but they never do! Keep worshiping them if it puts food on your table

Lightening:
You Muslims don't care yet a Muslim state governor is spearheading the alteration of Christian religious doctrines and teachings? Are you sure of what you are saying?

How were they altered? Altered to say what? Please quote the relevant sources explaining the exact alterations. The problem with Christians is that they have been brainwashed to believe every scrap of nonsense propounded by every 419 fraudster with a dog collar around his neck. No need fo sources, forget the pesky annoying thing called truth, just let us base our accusations and enmity on what 'daddy pastor' pulled out of his nether regions without any source, even while his pastor counterpart MOGs steal people's money and impregnate their wives.

yazach:
wear anything, don't limit it to robe but extend it to"wear nothing" I promise you that no Muslim will complain. Just tell the rascals among your members to please leave our Muslim alone and allow them to enjoy their religious right.

I want to repeat it do whatever you like, wage war against the government, we MUSLIM are less concern. LIVE AND LET OTHERS LIVE

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brothers, I think I said it wella

This is their [size=20pt]PROBLEM[/size], [size=40pt]JEALOUSY[/size]

They Want Everything That Muslims Have & they will NEVER be PLEASED

Let your children wear anything you want them to wear, just stop victimising Muslim girls for wearing hijab to schools.

Jibril659:
see dumb talk.

that is not dumb talk
he is saying the truth

[quote author=Farmerforlife post=48276577]How were they altered? Altered to say what? Please quote the relevant sources explaining the exact alterations. The problem with Christians is that they have been brainwashed to believe every scrap of nonsense propounded by every 419 fraudster with a dog collar around his neck. No need fo sources, forget the pesky annoying thing called truth, just let us base our accusations and enmity on what 'daddy pastor' pulled out of his nether regions without any source, even while his pastor counterpart MOGs steal people's money and impregnate their wivez




Do you know you need brain

proprince:
that is not dumb talk
he is saying the truth

okay , shift comot make I see road

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Jibril659:
Oga, Non one stopping you people from wearing what you want to school. You can put on a wedding gown to sch for all we care

"Waving the big stick"

It's still fallacy

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