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hopefulLandlord:
AnonyNynous told you to simply.

Just do a simple google search of what will happen if the earth stops its rotation

You're not doing that, because you don't want to confirm your fears

So far you're the only one saying we won't be displaced

You've given no link to support your claim except a picture which you got from "Yahweh" knows where

The picture he even added is irrelevant to my point here as he's just giving his goons a geography lesson. Nobody asked for the relationship between the inner, outer, cores, and magnetic field. All I stated was 'if the earth stops spinning' and then Mr. MNA is generating irrelevant epistles. He thinks because he claims to have a degree in geography everyone should listen to him. I have a diploma in auto mechanics studies, I've taken courses on several non-science related topics and I'm currently pursuing my BSc in civil engineering (3rd year), not to talk of my push to start another BSc program in an art-related course when I've written Cambridge exams with art subjects inclusive. You don't brag about your qualifications as a reason for people to listen to you, you provide facts and let everyone view them objectively. Abeg jare

AnonyNymous:
The picture he even added is irrelevant to my point here as he's just giving his goons a geography lesson. Nobody asked for the relationship between the inner, outer, cores, and magnetic field. All I stated was 'if the earth stops spinning' and then Mr. MNA is generating irrelevant epistles. He thinks because he claims to have a degree in geography everyone should listen to him. I have a diploma in auto mechanics studies, I've taken courses on several non-science related topics and I'm currently pursuing my BSc in civil engineering (3rd year), not to talk of my push to start another BSc program in an art-related course when I've written Cambridge exams with art subjects inclusive. You don't brag about your qualifications as a reason for people to listen to you, you provide facts and let everyone view them objectively. Abeg jare

This thing is not even worth it at their own end

If I were a Christian that believes Yahweh is omnipotent, I'll simply say that he made it stop rotating while making sure the harmful effects NEVER happened, after all that shouldn't be too much for an "omnipotent" god to do

But Christian apologists on Nairaland are just short selling their god by using logic to defend him

That does their god no favours at all and they're too blind to see this

Like I've always said, if you're here to turn Christians to atheists, all you have to do is keep engaging them, keep engaging and you are bound to succeed

dorox:
You stated two possible ways many people think God could have used to make the sun appear to stand still to Joshua. And you correctly showed that the first one makes no sense as the the sun is already fixed relative to the earth and the second would be catastrophic for the earth and its inhabitants.

Even though I agree with the op, I think your conclusion that God could not have made the sun to appear to be stationary is wrong because the options you provided are not the only ones.
Take for example, and it is important to stress that it is just my opinion, God could have used any number of ways to superimpose a reflected image of the sun to a fixed spot in the sky.
Using reflectors in space to superimpose the sun unto Joshuas location would not interfere with the earth's relative motion and its effect would be as localised as the size of the reflectors.

So at a poin there would be 2 suns in the sky if we are to go with your point

4everGod:
centripetal force is irrespective of the gravitational attraction. That is the F=mRω2 F = m R ω 2 . Both of these are towards the center of the Earth. The thing to keep in mind here is that the surface of the Earth is also accelerating towards the center of the Earth.

All this sounds strange to u I know so I dont blame u. Help yourself and get updated.

Lol
Forget long story. Hope you know what Inertia is. If you are in a car that is traveling on high speed and then slows down suddenly, what happens to the occupant of such a vehicle. There bodies jerk forward because their bodies want to continue in he path of the motion of the vehicle. Same thing will happen if the earth slows down.

hahn:
Where in the bible did you get this from? Or did you come to this conclusion yourself?

He's trying to give a plausible explanation for how it happened, which is better than saying the Earth abruptly stopped rotating or even slowed down. Faith is still required for his explanation to hold though.

HardMirror:
Lol
Forget long story. Hope you know what Inertia is. If you are in a car that is traveling on high speed and then slows down suddenly, what happens to the occupant of such a vehicle. There bodies jerk forward because their bodies want to continue in he path of the motion of the vehicle. Same thing will happen if the earth slows down.

Inertia focuses on a singular direction of force. The earth has 2 directions of force...east against west! If we were spinning in a centrifugal manner why would we not be flying off the earth now considering that we have no seatbelts holding us down to the earths surface?

Our seat belt is the earths gravity which is being generated from the earths core.

Day and night is being regulated by the outer core spin and has nothing to do with the inner core as that focuses on generation of magnetism and this interacts with other magnetic pulls of other planets to give us gravity.

Our closest planetary neighbor is the moon which has less gravity than we do due to its mass so if the outer earth stops spinning its not just inertia that we need to consider. We also need to consider the inner cores counter spin which generates gravity so inertia can and will be countered because already force is being countered even as we speak.

Whenever people talk about Inertia they forget that Inertia can be total without a seat belt but with one it is totally redundant. Same way when a car stops only those things not bolted down to it would keep moving but the others do not. We are gravitationally bolted down to the earth.

4everGod:
Inertia focuses on a singular direction of force. The earth has 2 directions of force...east against west! If we were spinning in a centrifugal manner why would we not be flying off the earth now considering that we have no seatbelts holding us down to the earths surface?

Our seat belt is the earths gravity which is being generated from the earths core.

Day and night is being regulated by the outer core spin and has nothing to do with the inner core as that focuses on generation of magnetism and this interacts with other magnetic pulls of other planets to give us gravity.

Our closest planetary neighbor is the moon which has less gravity than we do due to its mass so if the outer earth stops spinning its not just inertia that we need to consider. We also need to consider the inner cores counter spin which generates gravity so inertia can and will be countered because already force is being countered even as we speak.

Whenever people talk about Inertia they forget that Inertia can be total without a seat belt but with one it is totally redundant. Same way when a car stops only those things not bolted down to it would keep moving but the others do not. We are gravitationally bolted down to the earth.

We live on the crust, not the outer core. To say day and night is regulated by outer core spin is forgetting that the inner core spin is directly related to the outer core spin. And I said when the earth stops spinning. Is the inner core not part of the earth? Either way, any form of the earth stopping its motion would be catastrophic. You attempted to draw people's attention away from that, which is the main point of this post.

HardMirror:
So at a poin there would be 2 suns in the sky if we are to go with your point

No now, what he's saying is reflection. . . like when you shine a flashlight on a mirror for example, the mirror projects the light to another direction, different from the one you're positioning the flashlight. He claims that god magically put a 'mirror' in the universe to reflect light on the part where they were fighting alone. That's really far fetched, but its their faith. They'd say anything to justify their tales by moonlight

AnonyNymous:
We live on the crust, not the outer core. To say day and night is regulated by outer core spin is forgetting that without the inner core spin is directly related to the outer core spin. And I said when the earth stops spinning. Is the inner core not part of the earth? Either way, any form of the earth stopping its motion would be catastrophic. You attempted to draw people's attention away from that, which is the main point of this post.

I am trying to use a language that everyone would grasp. When I say outer earth or outer core I mean earths crust. Simple!

Your focus is on night and day and its the earths outer rotation that is responsible for that. For us to even experience a 24 hr daylight the earth does not even need to stop all it needs to do is slow down which is what happens in a place like Alaska because they experience a slower spin for about 6 months of the year so have the midnight sun phenomenon a lot which is 24hrs daylight.

You can only achieve this based on the longitudinal position of the sun in relation to the earth and due to its slower speed you experience what looks like sunset which is a mixture of both day and night.

This is not about physics its about geography.

AnonyNymous:
Ehen jare. Somebody that knows what he's saying. So if your god happened to provide a reflector to make the sun's light shine only on Joshua's region, its rational, if it were possible but its far fetched. Again it relies on your faith in Yahweh and not on logic.

I would like us to stick to the points raised in the op and not branch off to other issues in a bid to win an argument.
The op the not question having faith in God, so why bring that up now? Your issue was with the absurdity of making the sun appear stationary in the sky by stopping the sun's motion when the sun is already fixed, and the catastrophic consequence of subjecting the earth to a sudden decelerating force. I agreed that you are right on both counts, but I also pointed out withe an example that there are other ways of making it happen without contravening the laws of physics.
The fact that my example both feasible and addresses all the issues raised in your op should put an end to your arhument.

4everGod:
I am trying to use a language that everyone would grasp. When I say outer earth or outer core I mean earths crust. Simple!

Your focus is on night and day and its the earths outer rotation that is responsible for that. For us to even experience a 24 hr daylight the earth does not even need to stop all it needs to do is slow down which is what happens in a place like Alaska because they experience a slower spin for about 6 months of the year so have the midnight sun phenomenon a lot which is 24hrs daylight.

You can only achieve this based on the longitudinal position of the sun in relation to the earth and due to its slower speed you experience what looks like sunset which is a mixture of both day and night.

This is not about physics its about geography.

Don't say that, because the outer core is liquid and is very different from the crust. The crust is only experiencing translational motion from the outer core, as we are experiencing translational motion from the crust. And the motion of the outer core and inner core are deeply interwoven.
They supposedly conquered Canaan, which is not even close to the region where the midnight sun phenomenon is experienced. All around the world, the time for a complete revolution (1 day) has increased by only 1.7 seconds in the last 100 years (I hope you are aware that the earth's rotation is actually slowing down). The midnight sun is not caused by slowing down, its because of their location on the earth that they'd experience it. Every 24 hours, the earth tilts slightly. If the earth was perpendicular we'd experience 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness at every time of the year, and this is not so, you know that there are longer days and shorter nights at a time in the year. Their location on the earth happens to coincide with the 'switch' and that's how they experience midnight sun. Not because of the earth slowing down. The people on the other side opposite to them experience polar night, which us 24 hours of darkness. The region of Canaan is not even near where these occurrences happen.

HardMirror:
So at a poin there would be 2 suns in the sky if we are to go with your point

Not if the real sun is blotted out of the sky by the us of an opaque filter leaving only the superimposed reflected image.

AnonyNymous:
Don't say that, because the outer core is liquid and is very different from the crust. The crust is only experiencing translational motion from the outer core, as we are experiencing translational motion from the crust. And the motion of the outer core and inner core are deeply interwoven.
They supposedly conquered Canaan, which is not even close to the region where the midnight sun phenomenon is experienced. All around the world, the time for a complete revolution (1 day) has increased by only 1.7 seconds in the last 100 years (I hope you are aware that the earth's rotation is actually slowing down). The midnight sun is not caused by slowing down, its because of their location on the earth that they'd experience it. Every 24 hours, the earth tilts slightly. If the earth was perpendicular we'd experience 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness at every time of the year, and this is not so, you know that there are longer days and shorter nights at a time in the year. Their location on the earth happens to coincide with the 'switch' and that's how they experience midnight sun. Not because of the earth slowing down. The people on the other side opposite to them experience polar night, which us 24 hours of darkness. The region of Canaan is not even near where these occurrences happen.

First of all the midnight sun is caused by a slowing down and here is why. Alaska is located at the south Pole and because the earth is spherical their location gives them less spin than those along the equator. So in essence they experience a slowing down.

The event in question happened in Gibeon. Now since you want to school me in geography can you kindly look up the longitudinal and latitudinal relationship between Alaska and Gibeon?

Let me know when you do.

dorox:
I would like us to stick to the points raised in the op and not branch off to other issues in a bid to win an argument.
The op the not question having faith in God, so why bring that up now? Your issue was with the absurdity of making the sun appear stationary in the sky by stopping the sun's motion when the sun is already fixed, and the catastrophic consequence of subjecting the earth to a sudden decelerating force. I agreed that you are right on both counts, but I also pointed out withe an example that there are other ways of making it happen without contravening the laws of physics.
The fact that my example both feasible and addresses all the issues raised in your op should put an end to your arhument.

Then you might as well say that the earth stopped and god also magically put everything in place. My point is, there's no logical way to explain it, I used the earth stopping as examples here because it's, as ,I said, commonly parroted by Christians here and I had to put an end to that.
Their claim involved tampering with already existing creations but yours involves the creation of a new super lens that somehow magically balances everything out so as not to kill them from the concentration of the sun's radiation sent to a single spot. That's on a whole different level, and my point is that your stories defy logic. Telecommunication satellites in space already do something like that(reflect light), and as large as they are, their light is not even noticed on earth. What you want to do will require ridiculously enormous material, manufactured from thin air (and made to disappear immediately after). An occurrence like that would've left some traces in the modern world, but as it is nothing of such has been noticed so I refuse to believe your justification for this biblical myth.

4everGod:
First of all the midnight sun is caused by a slowing down and here is why. Alaska is located at the south Pole and because the earth is spherical their location gives them less spin than those along the equator. So in essence they experience a slowing down.

The event in question happened in Gibeon. Now since you want to school me in geography can you kindly look up the longitudinal and latitudinal relationship between Alaska and Gibeon?

Let me know when you do.

Alaska? SOUTH POLE?? Dude. Be honest, who taught you this geography. Ahan. Alaska is closer to the north pole, its located in northern America and is directly attached to Canada. And you expect me to believe you know what you're saying. Guy nw. . .

AnonyNymous:
Alaska? SOUTH POLE?? Dude. Be honest, who taught you this geography. Ahan. Alaska is closer to the north pole, its located in northern America and is directly attached to Canada. And you expect me to believe you know what you're saying. Guy nw. . .

I am using my phone now to type so I am prone to errors this way unlike when using my laptop.
So that was an error.
Yes so Alaska is in the North Pole and because of the slowet spin cycle they experience a strobger gravitatonal pull than at the equator as their slow spin has to be compensated.

Which was why I told you earlier that fadter rotation means less gravity while slower means more gravity.

And its in this context that I asked that you get me the relationship between Alaska and Gibeon per longitude and latitude.

4everGod:
First of all the midnight sun is caused by a slowing down and here is why. Alaska is located at the south Pole and because the earth is spherical their location gives them less spin than those along the equator. So in essence they experience a slowing down.

The event in question happened in Gibeon. Now since you want to school me in geography can you kindly look up the longitudinal and latitudinal relationship between Alaska and Gibeon?

Let me know when you do.

Stop arguing from a position of ignorance, it doesn't help anyone. The reason why the poles experience 24hrs of daylight during summer is because of the tilt in the earth axis of rotation. Not because of any slowing down.

To demonstrate this fact, get a ball representing the sun, an orange representing the earth and stick a rod through it to represent the axis of rotation. Then tilt this axis such that it is pionting slightly to the ball from the top of the orange and away from it at the bottom like this ( / ).
Now the top of the orange will be facing the ball at all points when you spin it, while the bottom will be away from the sun.
When you go to the other side of the ball, everythy is reversed. It is the bottom that will be facing the ball while the top will be away from the ball.

If the north and south poles experience a slowing down in comparison to the equator and based on this they experience more gravity which is compensatory and keeping them from flying off as you put it.. in a small scale experiement taking into cognizance the magnetic core andnouter crust spin a slowing down of the earth would generate the same effect gravitationally.

Thats why I said your focus is ob day and night which is controlled by the eatrths outer spin and nobody has ever mentioned the inner cores cointeraction when discussing this.

4everGod:
I am using my phone now to type so I am prone to errors this way unlike when using my laptop.
So that was an error.
Yes so Alaska is in the North Pole and because of the slowet spin cycle they experience a strobger gravitatonal pull than at the equator as their slow spin has to be compensated.

Which was why I told you earlier that fadter rotation means less gravity while slower means more gravity.

I think my geography master here is trying to talk about the Artic and Antarctic circles, and not Alaska. Theyre both covered in snow but they're not the same. Lol. The earth isn't slowing down for them, as I've already said, they just experience the same motion at a far slower speed than the rest of us. That's because of their position. In fact, they only experience a normal day and night ONCE in a year. The other six months for each of then are spent observing midnight suns and polar nights. And this is caused by the earth continuously tilting after every 24 hours. The earth's general slowing down, as I've said already, has only affected us generally by increasing ALL our days, irrespective of our location by 1.7 seconds in the last 100 years.

AnonyNymous:
No now, what he's saying is reflection. . . like when you shine a flashlight on a mirror for example, the mirror projects the light to another direction, different from the one you're positioning the flashlight. He claims that god magically put a 'mirror' in the universe to reflect light on the part where they were fighting alone. That's really far fetched, but its their faith. They'd say anything to justify their tales by moonlight

No at a point there would be 2 suns in the sky. Except the real sun disappears immediately the mirror sun appears.

4everGod:
If the north and south poles experience a slowing down in comparison to the equator and based on this they experience more gravity which is compensatory and keeping them from flying off as you put it.. in a small scale experiement taking into cognizance the magnetic core andnouter crust spin a slowing down of the earth would generate the same effect gravitationally.

Thats why I said your focus is ob day and night which is controlled by the eatrths outer spin and nobody has ever mentioned the inner cores cointeraction when discussing this.

The land he conquered is closer to the equator. It is NOT close to any of the polar circles. Just admit that its flawed and your analysis is incorrect.

dorox:
Stop arguing from a position of ignorance, it doesn't help anyone. The reason why the poles experience 24hrs of daylight during summer is because of the tilt in the earth axis of rotation. Not because of any slowing down.

To demonstrate it, get a ball representing the sun, an orange representing the earth and stick a rod through it to represent the axis of rotation. Then tilt this axis such that it is pionting slightly to the ball from the top of the orange and away from it at the bottom like this ( / ).
Now the top of the orange will be facing the ball at all points when you spin it, while the bottom will be away from the sun.
When you go to the other side of the ball, everythy is reversed. It is the bottom that will be facing the ball while the top will be away from the ball.

I guess you did not read where I said longitudinal position of the sun in relation to the earth and howbit causes a sunset effect known as the midnight sun. The reason why its a 24hr phenomenon is because the spin is slower even at that tilt. You obviously do not get it.

HardMirror:
No at a point there would be 2 suns in the sky. Except the real sun disappears immediately the mirror sun appears.

Eh I think that's what he means, Idk, religious people bring up the craziest theories to justify their fables.

AnonyNymous:
I think my geography master here is trying to talk about the Artic and Antarctic circles, and not Alaska. Theyre both covered in snow but they're not the same. Lol. The earth isn't slowing down for them, as I've already said, they just experience the same motion at a far slower speed than the rest of us. That's because of their position. In fact, they only experience a normal day and night ONCE in a year. The other six months for each of then are spent observing midnight suns and polar nights. And this is caused by the earth continuously tilting after every 24 hours. The earth's general slowing down, as I've said already, has only affected us generally by increasing ALL our days, irrespective of our location by 1.7 seconds in the last 100 years.

I meant Alaska not Arctic circle pls.

dorox:
Stop arguing from a position of ignorance, it doesn't help anyone. The reason why the poles experience 24hrs of daylight during summer is because of the tilt in the earth axis of rotation. Not because of any slowing down.

To demonstrate this fact, get a ball representing the sun, an orange representing the earth and stick a rod through it to represent the axis of rotation. Then tilt this axis such that it is pionting slightly to the ball from the top of the orange and away from it at the bottom like this ( / ).
Now the top of the orange will be facing the ball at all points when you spin it, while the bottom will be away from the sun.
When you go to the other side of the ball, everythy is reversed. It is the bottom that will be facing the ball while the top will be away from the ball.

Please help me tell him to stop embarrassing himself

AnonyNymous:
The land he conquered is closer to the equator. It is NOT close to any of the polar circles. Just admit that its flawed and your analysis is incorrect.

Have you gotten the coordinates I asked?

4everGod:
I meant Alaska not Arctic circle pls.

you're not helping yourself, because Alaska doesn't experience the midnight sun for as long as the Artic and Antarctic circles. Not to talk of the fact that the biblical land is closer to the equator.

4everGod:
Inertia focuses on a singular direction of force. The earth has 2 directions of force...east against west! If we were spinning in a centrifugal manner why would we not be flying off the earth now considering that we have no seatbelts holding us down to the earths surface?

Our seat belt is the earths gravity which is being generated from the earths core.

Day and night is being regulated by the outer core spin and has nothing to do with the inner core as that focuses on generation of magnetism and this interacts with other magnetic pulls of other planets to give us gravity.

Our closest planetary neighbor is the moon which has less gravity than we do due to its mass so if the outer earth stops spinning its not just inertia that we need to consider. We also need to consider the inner cores counter spin which generates gravity so inertia can and will be countered because already force is being countered even as we speak.

Whenever people talk about Inertia they forget that Inertia can be total without a seat belt but with one it is totally redundant. Same way when a car stops only those things not bolted down to it would keep moving but the others do not. We are gravitationally bolted down to the earth.

That stability is only relevant to the stability of the earth itself not what is on it. We still have an overall spin that makes night and day possible. If all the spin was countered by the inner core's spin then there won't be any day and night total spin will be ZERO because the friction between the outer and lower core opposing each other would have brought the earth to a stand still. So you are wrong. We are spinning and inertia counts as we are being carried along with this spin so shall we be impacted if our base (the earth) should slow down abruptly. Be honest with yourself.

AnonyNymous:
you're not helping yourself, because Alaska doesn't experience the midnight sun for as long as the Artic and Antarctic circles. Not to talk of the fact that the biblical land is closer to the equator.

Do I need to list out all the countries that experience this phenomenon? I deliberately used Alaska and I am asking you to get me the coordinates in relation to Gibeon.

4everGod:
Have you gotten the coordinates I asked?

You don't expect me to memorise the coordinates of those locations, but google is your friend, it answers you unlike your god, and if you want to know the coordinates so badly you can check them. Anyhoo, the biblical land is I'm the middle east and Alaska is closer to the north. So you're wrong. I'm done here.

HardMirror:
That stability is only relevant to the stability of the earth itself not what is on it. We still have an overall spin that makes night and day possible. If all the spin was countered by the inner core's spin then there won't be any day and night total spin will be ZERO because the friction between the outer and lower core opposing each other would have brought the earth to a stand still. So you are wrong. We are spinning and inertia counts as we are being carried along with this spin so shall we be impacted if our base (the earth) should slow down abruptly. Be honest with yourself.

Answer me simply. Where is the earths magnetic force generated?