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An2elect2:
For by Grace are you saved through faith and that not
of yourself but it is a gift of God. Not of works so you
don't boast …Eph 2:8,9.


Do catholics trust in their works for salvation? Yes
with joy.


Are catholics contradicting the scriptures? o yes, with
all pleasure. Who doesn't like "traditions" better?



Are catholics going to perish by biblical standards? O
pls, with all sadness.



Are they saved based on "traditions"? O well, if we are
talking "progressive salvation"


Was m.Theresa a catholic? yesss


She followed the catholic doctrine of salvation?
that was all she knew.


By biblical standards, is she with Jesus? obviously No


But by catholic "traditions"? Yea she is in paradise
seated at the right hand side of the "blessed virgin
Mary" who still has baby "Jesus" in her arm.

olodo for africa

marhoinspire:
so u now knw who made heaven and who did not. leme tell u dis nor man knows whos name is written on that book of life.

Point of correction, we know.. Read ur bible with understanding..

kaecyy:
Whether they like it or not, mother Theresa is now a SAINT
St. Theresa- pray for us.

She just became saint now after dying many yrs ago? If she died a sinner she will remain a sinner in Hell. If she was born again while alive and died as a saint, she will remain a saint in Heaven. Pope does not have power to canonise a sinner to saint.

You don't need the dead to pray for you. This is ignorance.

Read ur Bible and stop blindly following tradition of ur fathers

Now dis is a true religion of peace, unlike others who encourage beheading

udoh2k:
She just became saint now after dying many yrs ago? If she died a sinner she will remain a sinner in Hell. If she was born again while alive and died as a saint, she will remain a saint in Heaven. Pope does not have power to canonise a sinner to saint.

You don't need the dead to pray for you. This is ignorance.

Read ur Bible and stop blindly following tradition of ur fathers

Many of u guys are getting it wrong, see it this way. A saint is someone living or dead that is believe to have lived or living a Christ like life. Just open ur mind a little. There is a portion in the bible that says "Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James5:16"
We Catholics believe in the communion of saints, as such we can ask for any of the saints to pray for us. Just as u can ask ur pastor, wife, brother to pray for you. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Again ask ursef while do people go to pastor T. B Joshua and other miracle pastors to pray for them, while dey can as well do it at home? Is Jesus not there? Y do people go to camp for special blessings? Y do people give their pastors prayer petitions?

I see how how people worship their pastors and pastors wife this days, we see it everywhere . If we can do that to our pastor wife, even calling her mummy even though u are older than her. What is wrong asking Mary mother of Jesus to pray for u.

If ur pastor can pray for u, then mary can pray for u too.

udoh2k:
She just became saint now after dying many yrs ago? If she died a sinner she will remain a sinner in Hell. If she was born again while alive and died as a saint, she will remain a saint in Heaven. Pope does not have power to canonise a sinner to saint.

You don't need the dead to pray for you. This is ignorance.

Read ur Bible and stop blindly following tradition of ur fathers

Mt 16:17-19

Seun:
This is true:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Mother_Teresa#Criticism

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa (this is an objective source)

My friend you have to understand that anybody can edit Wikipedia. Try it out yourself. Which means anyone can enter any trash in Wikipedia

GuyfawkesAB:
Just another religious "merchandise" to sell to gullible Catholics to ask for prayers of intercession for them.

I pity you Catholics and I keep praying for you that your eyes are opened and you come to the light.
Christ has already opened the way for you to pray directly to God.

Hebrews 4
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Have ever heard of intercession?

udoh2k:
She just became saint now after dying many yrs ago? If she died a sinner she will remain a sinner in Hell. If she was born again while alive and died as a saint, she will remain a saint in Heaven. Pope does not have power to canonise a sinner to saint.

You don't need the dead to pray for you. This is ignorance.

Read ur Bible and stop blindly following tradition of ur fathers

You trusted the Bible given to you by the Catholic Church?

An2elect2:
For by Grace are you saved through faith and that not
of yourself but it is a gift of God. Not of works so you
don't boast …Eph 2:8,9.


Do catholics trust in their works for salvation? Yes
with joy.


Are catholics contradicting the scriptures? o yes, with
all pleasure. Who doesn't like "traditions" better?



Are catholics going to perish by biblical standards? O
pls, with all sadness.



Are they saved based on "traditions"? O well, if we are
talking "progressive salvation"


Was m.Theresa a catholic? yesss


She followed the catholic doctrine of salvation?
that was all she knew.


By biblical standards, is she with Jesus? obviously No


But by catholic "traditions"? Yea she is in paradise
seated at the right hand side of the "blessed virgin
Mary" who still has baby "Jesus" in her arm.

CATHOLIC CHURCH ENROLLS MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA IN THE CANON OF SAINTS TODAY (04-09-2016);

MATTERS ARISING:
• WHAT IS A SAINT
• CANONIZATION OF SAINTS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND INTERCESSION OF SAINTS
• BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA AND HER JOURNEY TO SAINTHOOD (1910-1997)
• SAINT MAKING PROCESS
• CANONIZATION TODAY

Following the canonization of India’s Mother Teresa of Calcutta today at the Vatican with the gathering of half a million crowd, many questions rented and is still renting the air (on the social media) ranging from Catholics to non-Catholics. These I am going to treat under the sections above as soon as possible. To begin with, what is a saint?

• WHAT IS A SAINT
Saints, broadly speaking, are all people who follow Jesus Christ and live their lives according to His teaching. Catholics, however, also use the term more narrowly to refer to especially holy men and women who, by persevering in the Christian Faith and living extraordinary lives of virtue, have already entered Heaven. The word “saint” comes from the Latin “sanctus” and literally means "holy." Throughout the New Testament, saint is used to refer to all who believe in Jesus Christ and who followed His teachings. Saint Paul often addresses his epistles to "the saints" of a particular city (see, for instance, Ephesians 1:1 and2 Corinthians 1:1). With time, it became clear that some Christians lived lives of extraordinary, or heroic, virtue, beyond that of the average Christian believer. While other Christians struggled to live out the gospel of Christ, these particular Christians were eminent examples of the moral virtues (or cardinal virtues), and they practiced the theological virtues of faith, hope, and charity and exhibited the gifts of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Consequently, the word saint, previously applied to all Christian believers, became more narrowly applied to such people, with the belief that they are being rewarded in heaven, as such they were venerated after their deaths as saints, usually by the members of their local church or the Christians in the region where they had lived, because they were familiar with their good deeds.

• CANONIZATION AND INTERCESSION OF SAINTS
Eventually, the Catholic Church created a process, called canonization, through which such venerable people could be recognized as saints by all Christians everywhere. The Roman Catholic Church has more than 10,000 canonized saints However, there are many other holy men and women “elsewhere” who did the will of God and have gone to heaven after their death but are not being recognized or enrolled in the canon of saints; this does not mean that they are not saints. The Catholic Church has a day to honour and remember such people for the good lives they led. This is called “All Saints Day” (celebrated every 1st day of November). Enrolling a saint into the Canon makes the saint a model, leading souls to Christ, the grand model.

Honouring the saints has a biblical root. In the letter to the Hebrews 13:7, the author expresses: “Remember your leaders, those who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.” This is basically the reason for honouring our brothers and sisters who led holy lives and have gone to heaven, so that by imitating their ways of life, some day we shall also be with them in heaven. Some people might ask: “Can the saints in heaven hear us? Why honouring them, they have died and no more alive”etc.. To this effect, I want to quickly point out that; to the world, the saints (those who have died) appeared to be dead, but the Scripture made us to realize that they are not dead. In Luke’s gospel, Jesus said: “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repents, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance” (Luke 15:7) and “Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents” (Luke 15:10). This shows that those who have died in Christ are not dead but alive in heaven and know what happens on earth.
The saints are not dead, they are alive. Jesus says that “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living” (Matthew 22:32). The letter to the Hebrews says that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses, in Hebrews 12:1. Witnesses have to be alive in order to testify on our behalf to the supreme judge. In Revelation 6:10, we learn that the saints in heaven know what is going on down here on earth. People who believe that being dead in the body is also dead in the soul are called atheists, not Christians. It would be sinful to conjure up a dead person, like Saul did with Samuel (1 Samuel 28:14), in order to gain hidden knowledge (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). But asking for intercession (1 Timothy 2:1) from holy people is very biblical, due to the power they have (James 5:16). Revelation 5:8 and 8:3 plainly state that the saints and angels present our prayers to God in the form of incense. Saints pray alongside with us to Jesus as our intercessors. They do not stand "between" us and God. They only pray with us and for us to Jesus who is the MEDIATOR and the WAY. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

Having said this, we return to the heart of our discussion: “THE CANONIZATION OF MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA”. Who really is this woman and why is she being honoured today as a saint?

• BIOGRAPHY (BRIEF)
Mother Teresa of Calcutta, also known as the "saint of the gutters" was born as Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu was born on 26 August 1910, in Skopje, Macedonia, to Albanian heritage. After spending her adolescence under her devoted and pious mother (her father died when she was barely 8years old) and deeply involved in parish activities, Agnes left home in September 1928, for the Loreto Convent in Rathfarnam (Dublin), Ireland, where she was admitted as a postulant on October 12 and received the name of Teresa, after her patroness, St. Therese of Lisieux. Agnes was sent by the Loreto order to India and arrived in Calcutta on 6 January 1929. Upon her arrival, she joined the Loreto novitiate in Darjeeling. She made her final profession as a Loreto nun on 24 May 1937, and hereafter was called Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa taught in India for 17 years before she experienced her 1946 "call within a call" to devote herself to caring for the sick and poor. Her order established a hospice; centers for the blind, aged, and disabled; and a leper colony. In 1979 she received the Nobel Peace Prize for her humanitarian work. Throughout the 1950s and early 1960s, Mother Teresa expanded the work of the Missionaries of Charity both within Calcutta and throughout India. On 1 February 1965, Pope Paul VI granted the Decree of Praise to the Congregation, raising it to pontifical right. The first foundation outside India opened in Cocorote, Venezuela, in 1965. The Society expanded to Europe (the Tor Fiscale suburb of Rome) and Africa (Tabora, Tanzania) in 1968. Mother Teresa spoke at the fortieth anniversary of the United Nations General Assembly in October 1985. On Christmas Eve of that year, Mother Teresa opened "Gift of Love" in New York, her first house for AIDS patients. In the coming years, this home would be followed by others, in the United States and elsewhere, devoted specifically for those with AIDS. After a summer of travelling to Rome, New York, and Washington, in a weak state of health, Mother Teresa returned to Calcutta in July 1997. At 9:30 PM, on 5 September, Mother Teresa died at the Motherhouse. Her body was transferred to St Thomas's Church, next to the Loreto convent where she had first arrived nearly 69 years earlier. Hundreds of thousands of people from all classes and all religions, from India and abroad, paid their respects. She received a state funeral on 13 September, her body being taken in procession - on a gun carriage that had also borne the bodies of Mohandas K. Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru - through the streets of Calcutta. Presidents, prime ministers, queens, and special envoys were present on behalf of countries from all over the world.

SAINT MAKING PROCESS (CANONIZATION)
The process of canonization can begin 5-50 years after the death of the candidate. In 1999, Pope John Paul II waived the normal five-year waiting period, clearing Mother Teresa for immediate consideration for canonization because she was considered a “living saint”. Once the process begins, the person is called a “Servant of God”.

The next phase — Postulation — has to do with gathering testimony, public and private writings, and getting them examined, and has to be established by the Diocese. This phase takes long, sometimes many years, and ends with the judgment of a Diocesan tribunal, in which the Bishop takes a decision on the candidate’s exceptional virtue and dedication to God. If permission is granted, the Bishop’s report goes to Rome, where it is translated into Italian — this step is called the Apostolic Process. A summary is then presented to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, where 9 theologians scrutinize the evidence and documentation. If a majority passes it, it goes to the Pope; once recognized by the Pontiff, the candidate is called Venerable.

The next step is Beatification. For a person to be declared Blessed there has to be approval of a “miracle”, which is evidence of the intercessory power of the Venerable Servant of God, an indication that he or she has united with God after death. The Diocese where the so-called miracle is claimed to have taken place carries out a scientific and theological investigation. The Scientific Commission must decide by accepted scientific criteria that there is no natural explanation for the alleged miracle, and the Theological Commission will judge whether what happened was indeed a “miracle”, and whether it was due to the intercession of the Venerable Servant of God. If the Commissions turn in positive findings, the findings go to the Pope — and if he approves, the candidate is beatified. In the case of martyrdom, the requirement of a miracle is waived. The first one, which led to Mother Teresa’s beatification in 2003, was of a Bengali tribeswoman Monica Besra, who was 'cured' from an abdominal tumour due to Mother Teresa's intervention; the report in “The Mirror journal” explains. A commission from the Vatican judged the woman's recovery was down to a locket containing a picture of the Mother Teresa which was placed on the patient's stomach.

To take the process forward towards canonization, however, a second miracle is needed. The same procedure is followed, and ends with the Pope’s decision, which is considered to be protected from error by the Holy Spirit. Mother Teresa's second miracle was associated to a Brazilian man Marcilio Haddad Andrino, who was in a coma in 2008, because of a viral brain infection. “The Times of India reported: “Scheduled to undergo surgery at a hospital in Santos, Andrino was fighting for his life. On the eve of the operation, his wife Fernanda Rocha walked into the room of Father Elmiran Ferreira of the Parish of Our Lady of Aparecida in Sao Vincente and asked for help. The Catholic priest gave Fernanda a medal and prayer of Mother Teresa and asked to pray to the Kolkata nun. The next morning, so goes the official story, Andrino was sitting on his bed. All his symptoms were gone”. Today, the couple along with their children attended the canonization ceremony in Rome.

• HER CANONIZATION TODAY
Today, she is been canonized and honoured as a saint by the gathering of thousands at the Vatican with the celebration of the Holy Mass. The Mass just ended some minutes ago. Pope Francis praised Mother Teresa as the merciful saint who defended the lives of the unborn, sick and abandoned - and who shamed world leaders for the "crimes of poverty they themselves created." Speaking from the steps of St Peter's Basilica, Pope Francis said St Teresa, "made her voice heard before the powers of the world, so that they might recognize their guilt for the crimes of poverty they themselves created." As if to emphasize the point, Francis repeated the "the crimes of poverty they themselves created." Her legacy complements Pope Francis's vision of a humble church that strives to serve the poor, and the festivities are a highlight of his Holy Year of Mercy, which runs until November 8.

While alive, she was noted to have said: “By blood, I am Albanian. By citizenship, an Indian. By faith, I am a Catholic nun. As to my calling, I belong to the world. As to my heart, I belong entirely to the Heart of Jesus”. Small of stature, rocklike in faith, Mother Teresa of Calcutta was entrusted with the mission of proclaiming God’s thirsting love for humanity, especially for the poorest of the poor. She says: “God still loves the world and He sends you and me to be His love and His compassion to the poor.” She was a soul filled with the light of Christ, on fire with love for Him and burning with one desire: “to quench His thirst for love and for souls.”

As we celebrate her canonization today, may we imitate her faith and her examples in bearing witness and living out the gospel values... "For when I was hungry, you gave me to eat, when I was naked, you clothed me, when I was sick, you visited me..." (Mtt. 25:35ff)

For a clearer view of the ceremony and further clarification on the intercession of saints, kindly visit my blog:

http://chinakasreflections..com.br/2016/09/catholic-church-enrolls-mother-teresa.html.

Shalom!
St. Teresa of Calcutta; pray with and for us!

Pls let's stop all this pope pronounced saints and study the scriptures. It is written any one whosoever that have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord and Saviour and have the blesses hope of his coming, doing the his commandment is a saint. if and only if you have the blessed hope of his coming

ochuciano:
Many of u guys are getting it wrong, see it this way. A saint is someone living or dead that is believe to have lived or living a Christ like life. Just open ur mind a little. There is a portion in the bible that says "Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James5:16"
We Catholics believe in the communion of saints, as such we can ask for any of the saints to pray for us. Just as u can ask ur pastor, wife, brother to pray for you. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Again ask ursef while do people go to pastor T. B Joshua and other miracle pastors to pray for them, while dey can as well do it at home? Is Jesus not there? Y do people go to camp for special blessings? Y do people give their pastors prayer petitions?

I see how how people worship their pastors and pastors wife this days, we see it everywhere . If we can do that to our pastor wife, even calling her mummy even though u are older than her. What is wrong asking Mary mother of Jesus to pray for u.

If ur pastor can pray for u, then mary can pray for u too.

the scriptures meant commune of the living saints and not those who have died. so for that reason Mary can't pray for you.

AsoRockz01:
Please mention me if you get thheir response because I am also interested.

@AsoRockz01 Will hola at you once a response is gotten.

Mother Teresa pray for us.

ifyakanu:
the scriptures meant commune of the living saints and not those who have died. so for that reason Mary can't pray for you.

Where did the scripture say this?

Beey:
Better learn to pray for yourself.The Bible says that it's appointed once for man to die and after that is judgement.The dead cannot pray for you.

Oh really?

amanze15:
which of them "the ones that see their pastors drive wraiths" or the ones that believe in the benefits that faith is work

Both ofcourse

LajaLaba:
Both ofcourse

"its understandable when the unfaithful undermine the faithful, but making them believe i just ate the body and blood of christ would be too much for them to conceive" Prince Nayan (Mongol Catholic during Genghis khan era)

ifyakanu:
the scriptures meant commune of the living saints and not those who have died. so for that reason Mary can't pray for you.

we believe in communion of the saints ( remember u guys use to talk alot that if one dies in Christ he is alive). And as such, we can ask them to pray for us.

[quote author=jaey post=49066141]Please let a Catholic member:
-State the miraces that happened through praying in her name
-Mention the signs that happened to a part of her body. (as for other saints, it was said that one of them's blood did not decay another one was that beautiful flowers were sprouting around the grave of the saint)

Kindly answer for clarity and learning purpose.

Cheers[/quote


Since there ain't no answers to the quoted post, politics was involved.

#quotemeandgetserved