intruder15:


who cares

I care.

majekdom2:
how old are you? You as a Nigerian can read and write because the missionaries came to Africa- that' my point. This same westeners have created a yardstick to let you believe more people are living in poverty which is your basis for un belief in God. Before the industrialisation age, what was the basis of good living. Eat, farm, sleep. Industrialisation is the yard stick for the measurement of the present day quality of life and as someone said earlier, the world is changing faster than we are developing thus the reason why poverty and perhaps your state is your basis for your non belief.

It doesn't matter which era there have always been more people living in poverty, struggling to feed themselves so it has nothing to do with anyone providing a yard stick.

That is a basic, logical observation.

You do not know where I hail from or where I was educated so to assume that it is because of xtianity that I can read and write is foolish.

The world is ever changing, the only thing that does not change is the religious mythology that some people remain anchored too, that is why some people are not developing - because they remain anchored to moronic ideas such as omnipotent deities and holy books. Do you think those people would be struggling to develop if they embraced knowledge acquisition and technological advancement with the same vigour that they have for religion?

majekdom2:
how old are you? You as a Nigerian can read and write because the missionaries came to Africa- that' my point. This same westeners have created a yardstick to let you believe more people are living in poverty which is your basis for un belief in God. Before the industrialisation age, what was the basis of good living. Eat, farm, sleep. Industrialisation is the yard stick for the measurement of the present day quality of life and as someone said earlier, the world is changing faster than we are developing thus the reason why poverty and perhaps your state is your basis for your non belief.

You do not know where I hail from or where I was educated so to assume that it is because of xtianity that I can read and write is foolish. Besides, it is possible to teach language, literature, maths and science without any religious input whatsoever. There are Federal Government schools that at one point were very well staffed, well funded and attracted excellent pupils. They were completely areligious. There were other schools established by local communities in the South that were likewise areligious.

It doesn't matter which era there have always been more people living in poverty, struggling to feed themselves so it has nothing to do with anyone providing a yard stick. That is a basic, logical observation.

The world is ever changing, the only thing that does not change is the religious mythology that some people remain anchored too. That is why some people are not developing - because they remain anchored to moronic ideas such as omnipotent deities and holy books.

Do you think those people would be struggling to develop if they embraced knowledge acquisition and technological advancement with the same vigour that they have for religion?

majekdom2:
he is a hypocrite. Does he talk down political personalities and parties ? No. He is barely patronised by pastors and Imams. He is only doing his business the "Nigerian way". Nairaland is as old a facebook but we can tell something different.

doing his business the Nigerian way entails opening threads upon threads that induce hate agst christians and why re his posts always targeted at Christians, he created a separate lockedaway page for Muslim's, he don't question Allah, and has Neva said a quarter of what he says in his anti-xtian thread, why is he so afraid of bashing Muslims. in my words he is a mad man.

shuggah:

Christian and Muslim activities on Nairaland is nt up to one tenth of hw people use facebook as a tool for evangelism, both christians and Muslims alike, churches and Muslim groups too, hw many churches associate with Nairaland?? mark Zuckerberg went to meet with the Pope nd made donations too, did u hear that he started an argument or disregard the Pope since he doesn't believe in God, give seun half of that chance ND watch him fluke it, when Nairaland was at it's birth stage, why didn't Seun start bashing theists and insulting God as he does now, why wait till it's fully grown. He is psychic.

Na wa for the small minded ness of my 9ja peoples. So you mean to say that zuckerberg is the standard for how ATheists should behave in your mind. The way zuckerberg did it is the way Seun too must do it.

Seun was not an atheist when he started Nairaland. He became an atheist here (or at least made the final step after he had established NL), to my understanding.

mmsen:


It doesn't matter which era there have always been more people living in poverty, struggling to feed themselves so it has nothing to do with anyone providing a yard stick.

That is a basic, logical observation.

You do not know where I hail from or where I was educated so to assume that it is because of xtianity that I can read and write is foolish.

The world is ever changing, the only thing that does not change is the religious mythology that some people remain anchored too, that is why some people are not developing - because they remain anchored to moronic ideas such as omnipotent deities and holy books. Do you think those people would be struggling to develop if they embraced knowledge acquisition and technological advancement with the same vigour that they have for religion?

Again, you are failing to understanding where I am coming from. One's success, value adding is not tagged to one's religion. Now, I can tell you what you believe as an atheist. You believe as an atheist that if truly there is a God, we should only sleep, eat fat, wake, not die and never struggle. That's your ideaology. You are not a free thinker, you are blaming a God, yet you don't want to accept his existence. Yes, fine, good for you but that's not to say people that believe there is a God controlling their existence are insane. Like I said before, education just like religion has a way to make people feel less superior, a reason many religious people are afraid to explore their ideas and imagination. You may want to read this book- Education in England by Derek Gillard. The English men were against education initially. My post about education was not just about you but about "african atheist". It was God seeking people that brought it to this part of the world.
Like I said, you have this opinion about development because of what the present world has presented you with.

HajimeSaito:

I care.

ok

abhosts:
There is a difference. Nigerian atheists are usually very Rude, Proud and Condescending to people of Faith but that cannot be said of Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

justification of the highest order... its either you are an atheist or not nothing like Nigerian atheists or European atheists

blueseacats:
That's because Nigerians Christians try to victimize them for not believing in Christ . So they build this defense around themselves .

Thanks my man, I was telling a lady I am an atheist and she was like, I can never marry an atheist, ehn infact you have to be a Christian before I marry you. If you tell a Christian, he will call you a lost soul, If you tell a muslims he will say you are an infidel

birdmansoho:


He's (Seun) a shrewd mind and most smart individuals are either practising atheism or agnostic. And that's because there's no God. The existence of a God is a man invention with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

You are helplessly and hopelessly naive. If u can't see that there is a God then u aren't making good use of your brain.

majekdom2:
Again, you are failing to understanding where I am coming from. One's success, value adding is not tagged to one's religion. Now, I can tell you what you believe as an atheist. You believe as an atheist that if truly there is a God, we should only sleep, eat fat, wake, not die and never struggle. That's your ideaology. You are not a free thinker, you are blaming a God, yet you don't want to accept his existence. Yes, fine, good for you but that's not to say people that believe there is a God controlling their existence are insane. Like I said before, education just like religion has a way to make people feel less superior, a reason many religious people are afraid to explore their ideas and imagination. You may want to read this book- Education in England by Derek Gillard. The English men were against education initially. My post about education was not just about you but about "african atheist". It was God seeking people that brought it to this part of the world.
Like I said, you have this opinion about development because of what the present world has presented you with.

I don't blame god for anything because there is no deity. I previously mentioned how it is the failing of individuals and communities that they fail to develop. I haven't mentioned any of the millions of deities that mankind has created.

I blame people for wasting their time on religion and divisive myths. I blame people for refusing to use their own brains and instead handing over control of their faculties to religious charlatans.

There are people who waste 10 hours a week in church but will not come together to educate themselves on health issues; remain ignorant to contraceptives; child delivery; or even basic food hygiene.

And it is the religious bodies that lead people astray in that manner.

mmsen:


I don't blame god for anything because there is no deity. I previously mentioned how it is the failing of individuals and communities that they fail to develop. I haven't mentioned any of the millions of deities that mankind has created.

I blame people for wasting their time on religion and divisive myths. I blame people for refusing to use their own brains and instead handing over control of their faculties to religious charlatans.

There are people who waste 10 hours a week in church but will not come together to educate themselves on health issues; remain ignorant to contraceptives; child delivery; or even basic food hygiene.

And it is the religious bodies that lead people astray in that manner.

why blame them? Is their life isn't it? Does it add to your problems? There are things I do in my private, will you blame me for it too? How is the way people have chosen to live their life affected you? The civil/legislative laws were not made based on religious beliefs, so, how has this affected your existence?

@op,I dont agree with your sentiment.There are Nigerian atheists,agnostics and whatever that Nigerians love and cherish.What I believe to be the only problem is that you have to be successful in your chosen endeavour before you can profess your faith or lack of without being derided.Take for instance,a certain FELA ANIKULAPO!I haven't heard many people condemn him for not being a christian or a muslim.Same thing can be said about Prof. Wole Soyinka.

majekdom2:
why blame them? Is their life isn't it? Does it add to your problems? There are things I do in my private, will you blame me for it too? How is the way people have chosen to live their life affected you? The civil/legislative laws were not made based on religious beliefs, so, how has this affected your existence?

Thank you, your statement has confirmed what I've long since known about religious people - that they are fundamentally self-centred, irresponsible people. A rational person would not even attempt to argue that wilfull ignorance is acceptable.

You cannot afford to think that way when you have Boko Haram slaughtering everything in sight because of religion; blending into local communities because the community empathises with them; then supplies them with food and fuel.

It does affect me because no one lives in complete isolation. Terrorism is a threat to all of us. To think otherwise is to be naive and socially irresponsible and further cements my concern towards those who waste 10 hours a week in religious houses but remain ignorant as to socio-economic issues; basic hygiene issues; wider healthcare matters, political matters and potential solutions.

How do you plan on having a functioning democracy when you have an ignorant populace blinded by religion? How would they know how to vote for a viable candidate when they are so attached to religion? Is this not why we have people voting for Muslims because they are Muslim and not because they are competent, as was the case with Buhari?

And religious laws are in place in the North. Or have you already forgotten about Sharia?

Legislation codifies the cultural beliefs of a people - in Nigeria that includes the illogical attachment to Christianity and Islam. This is why it has been impossible to ratify the Child Rights Act in the North where they argue that it is their religious right to marry and violate children.

Why do you think abortion is such a problem for some that it is illegal? It is because of a childish belief that every pregnancy should be brought to term, irregardless of whether the parents are in a position to take care of the child. This is particularly silly in a nation such as Nigeria where the population growth outstrips the economic and infrastructural development.

Banks and businesses are closed for religious holidays so how can you ask how it affects me? Why should I have to wait because of someone else's mental insanity?

The reason why you don't see religion as harmful is because you have shut your eyes to the consequences of ignorance when they are there for all to see.

mmsen:


Thank you, your statement has confirmed what I've long since known about religious people - that they are fundamentally self-centred, irresponsible people. A rational person would not even attempt to argue that wilfull ignorance is acceptable.

You cannot afford to think that way when you have Boko Haram slaughtering everything in sight because of religion; blending into local communities because the community empathises with them; supplies them with food and fuel.

It does affect me because no one lives in complete isolation. Terrorism is a threat to all of us. To think otherwise is to be naive and socially irresponsible and further cements my concern towards those who waste 10 hours a week in religious houses but remain ignorant as socio-economic issues; basic hygiene issues; wider healthcare matters, political matters and potential solutions.

How do you plan on having a functioning democracy when you have an ignorant populace blinded by religion? How would they know how to vote for a viable candidate when they are so attached to religion? Is this not why we have people voting for Muslims because they are Muslim and not because they are competent, as was the case with Buhari.

And religious laws are in place in the North. Or have you already forgotten about Sharia?

Legislation codifies the cultural beliefs of a people - in Nigeria that includes the illogical attachment to Christianity and Islam. This is why it has been impossible to ratify the Child Rights Act in the North where they argue that it is their religious right to marry and violate children.

Why do you think abortion is such a problem for some that it is illegal? It is because of a childish belief that every pregnancy should be brought to term, irregardless of whether the parents are in a position to take care of the child. This is particularly silly in a nation such as Nigeria where the population growth outstrips the economic and infrastructural development.

The reason why you don't see religion as harmful is because you have shut your eyes to the consequences of ignorance when they are there for all to see.

No, even with the post and previous ones, you are always quick to point out the cons, leaving out the pros. That is what an irrational critic does as it is that case of many Nigerians. Always criticising as long as they don't believe in the ideology. So, now answer this are robbers, rapist, burglers, militants religion affiliated? There are atheists amongst them, does it mean that atheism is wrongly practised.
Hello, understand that human beings are imperfect, the religion is being practised by humans and there is every tendency for an individual to misunderstand what is being preached/ taught him, And a reason why you see extremist all around. If you are a history person, you will understand that some societies were governed by religious doctrines even in the west but we barely have them critical about religion as things evolved
I ll keep saying it. There is no such person as an atheist. An atheist has claimed to be an atheist 1. because he expected some good things from a God sometime and did not receive it 2. His morality and conscience is being questioned by himself.
You are telling me about 10hrs in church.... How about smokers whose smoking is dangerous to everyone, a prostitute that sleeps around - is it not safer to stick to a partner. You are just seeking perfection from the religious, that you will never see and get and that will always be your basis for talking down religion but the good news is, religion is here to stay and stay forever.

Nigerians are Crazy with Religion...

majekdom2:
No, even with the post and previous ones, you are always quick to point out the cons, leaving out the pros. That is what an irrational critic does as it is that case of many Nigerians. Always criticising as long as they don't believe in the ideology. So, now answer this are robbers, rapist, burglers, militants religion affiliated? There are atheists amongst them, does it mean that atheism is wrongly practised.
Hello, understand that human beings are imperfect, the religion is being practised by humans and there is every tendency for an individual to misunderstand what is being preached/ taught him, And a reason why you see extremist all around. If you are a history person, you will understand that some societies were governed by religious doctrines even in the west but we barely have them critical about religion as things evolved
I ll keep saying it. There is no such person as an atheist. An atheist has claimed to be an atheist 1. because he expected some good things from a God sometime and did not receive it 2. His morality and conscience is being questioned by himself.
You are telling me about 10hrs in church.... How about smokers whose smoking is dangerous to everyone, a prostitute that sleeps around - is it not safer to stick to a partner. You are just seeking perfection from the religious, that you will never see and get and that will always be your basis for talking down religion but the good news is, religion is here to stay and stay forever.

The religions themselves make claims that you are now refuting. They claim to be derived from books inspired by flawless deities, you are now contradicting that claim. How do perfect deities create imperfections to begin with? Where is the logic in that theory?

The truth is that they cannot be 'perfect' because the books are contradictory. The books sanction some of the most evil acts of mankind - human sacrifice, ethnic slaughter. drowning, rape, murder, theft, forced marriage, slavery, intra-generational punishments.

You suggested that the reason why Mark Zuckerberg's wife keeps having miscarriages is because of their lack of religious faith. Now that I've pointed out the many problems faced by the majority of religious people you accuse me of focusing on the negative. Why did you not focus on the fact that Mark Zuckerberg and his wife are healthy? That he has a thriving business? Is this not you being a hypocrite? The issues faced by Mark Zuckerberg are trivial compared to those faced by the children of Muslim parents in the IDP camps who are starving or the children of xtian parents who have been targeted for slaughter by their Muslim neighbours.

I am well aware that societies that supported slavery, witch burning, wife beating and other destructive practices were deeply religious. That does not help your argument. My point is not that African xtians/muslims are especially bad but that religion brings out the worst because it is inherently foolish.

You can be an atheist and do evil but such people are not hiding behind a moronic creed. They will claim an earthly reason for their conduct and not a fanciful, deluded deity as the inspiration for their misconduct. At least in such cases we can quickly identify mental illness if that is the issue but when a xtian says that they beat their child because there was a demon in him/her is that person mentally ill or just another religious person? When a Muslim kills because of Jihad is that mental illness or is that a man practising his religion? Is there a difference between mental illness and religious belief?

Smokers are silly but so long as they smoke alone they only hurt themselves. Religious people do not talk to the sky by themselves - they do what they can to drag others into their foolish practices. Churches in Nigeria are very good at disturbing the peace of others, likewise mosques, especially in Lagos.

Prostitution is silly without contraceptive use. That is when it is dangerous and when diseases spread. Otherwise you cannot stop people from using their bodies to make money. Even your beloved mythical Jesus refrained from passing judgement on the prostitutes in his social circle.

As to your point about there not being any atheists - you are reverting to your first argument that was promptly debunked. You cannot read minds, you do not know what anyone else thinks. There are many people who are not told about the god delusion as children and when they hear about it as adults they find it amusing or disturbing. It is only those who have been raised to believe in nonsense who will find the idea of deity to be soothing.

P.S.
What are the pros of being ignorant to the world and putting all your faith in a fairy tale?

Akeelahtunez:



u believe there is no God abi❔
oya simply invent oxygen u breathe and live on

Who says man cannot create oxygen ? You are only using little percent of ur brain capacity bcoz religion has condition a lot not to think deeper.

The addition of metal Zinc and Conc acid would give off pure Oxygen ( Don't try this at home).

mmsen:


The religions themselves make claims that you are now refuting. They claim to be derived from books inspired by flawless deities, you are now contradicting that claim. How do perfect deities create imperfections to begin with? Where is the logic in that theory?

The truth is that they cannot be 'perfect' because the books themselves contradict themselves. The books themselves sanction some of the most evil acts of man kind - human sacrifice, ethnic slaughter. drowning, rape, murder, theft, forced marriage, slavery, intra-generational punishments.

I am well aware that societies that supported slavery, witch burning, wife beating and other destructive practices were deeply religious. That does not help your argument. My point is not that African xtians/muslims are especially bad but that religion brings out the worst because it is inherently foolish.

You can be an atheist and do evil but such people are not hiding behind a moronic creed. They will claim an earthly reason for their conduct and not a fanciful, deluded deity as the inspiration for their misconduct. At least in such cases we can quickly identify mental illness if that is the issue but when a xtian says that they beat their child because there was a demon in him/her is that person mentally ill or just another religious person? When a Muslim kills because of Jihad is that mental illness or is that a man practising his religion? Is there a difference between mental illness and religious belief?

Smokers are silly but so long as they smoke alone they only hurt themselves. Religious people do not talk to the sky by themselves - they do what they can to drag others into their foolish practices. Churches in Nigeria are very good at disturbing the peace of others, likewise mosques, especially in Lagos.

Prostitution is silly without contraceptive use. That is when it is dangerous and when diseases spread. Otherwise you cannot stop people from using their bodies to make money. Even your beloved mythical Jesus refrained from passing judgement on the prostitutes in his social circle.

As to your point about there not being any atheists - you are reverting to your first argument that was promptly debunked. You cannot read minds, you do not know what anyone else thinks. There are many people who are not told about the god delusion as children and when they hear about it as adults they find it amusing or disturbing. It is only those who have been raised to believe in nonsense who will find the idea of deity to be soothing.

P.S.
What are the pros of being ignorant to the world and putting all your faith in a fairy tale?

your post is not that of the free thinker but one with hate of religion. Now like you call it "a diety", different from human. The "diety" chose to create create human not a diety, that's where the imperfection perhaps comes from. I am not here to convince you about religion or tell you how people choose to worship their God. Giving excuses for a crime be it in the name of religion or earthly cause does not justify it. The person should be punished. I never justified that. You keep mentioning extreme cases and that I made you understand that we can't take away extremist who have failed to understand what they have been/ are being taught. A club house runs mon-mon close to where I stay, disturbing my sleep but still I don't have to go about preaching hatred for that social life.
Point is, leave people to what they believe in as long as it does not affect your well being. Africa needs to fight POVERTY be it religious, atheist, free thinker. You hear noises all around you because many are frustrated and believe they need a God's intervention.

majekdom2:
The so called african atheist to me are just "wannabes". They have not checked well that the westerners were "crazy God seekers" before the present day manipulations.

I also wonder. even in this Perilious times, Some people claim to believe there is no GOD.
Even Witches and Wizards Tremble at the Mention of the name of Jesus Christ.

Anyone who tries to compare Nigeria (a GODly nation) and America -- today's Babylon lacks the real knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

The truth is there is the almighty God is our source.

I almost became an athiest not until i decided to learn more about jesus and the bible.The teachings and life of jesus just made me agree there is a God cos he's the closest thing to make me believe there's a God cos of his values and teachings,it just connects.Christianiti to me is not a religion,it is just "truth"-It makes a lot of sense.
The things in bible and the things tought in our nigerian churches are veri different.Believe me,our pastors can make u become athiest.Dem too talk rubbish

fromnigeria:
Anyone who tries to compare Nigeria (a GODly nation) and America -- today's Babylon lacks the real knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
The truth is there is the almighty God is our source.

America is more godly than Nigeria from a Christian POV. 70% of Americans are Christians and only 3% call themselves atheists. Source.

Seun:
America is more godly than Nigeria from a Christian POV. 70% of Americans are Christians and only 3% call themselves atheists. Source.

being godli and being religious are 2 different things.Most american christians dnt go to church

winj:


Bill Gates and Mark ZuckerbergRude do not need to be Proud and Condescending to Nigerian mumu believers because they know you people are stupid by DNA so they don't bother!

How can you be rude to low mentality monkey brained people, waste of time!

Chai!kilode gan!!!!

birdmansoho:


He's (Seun) a shrewd mind and most smart individuals are either practising atheism or agnostic. And that's because there's no God. The existence of a God is a man invention with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

a fool said in his heart there is no God. so when i see anyone saying there is no God then i know the person is a fool on the way to eternal destruction

abhosts:
There is a difference. Nigerian atheists are usually very Rude, Proud and Condescending to people of Faith but that cannot be said of Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

That's a complete lie.

usmanjay:

a fool said in his heart there is no God. so when i see anyone saying there is no God then i know the person is a fool on the way to eternal destruction

Is pride such as this an appropriate thing for a believer?

PastorAIO:


Na wa for the small minded ness of my 9ja peoples. So you mean to say that zuckerberg is the standard for how ATheists should behave in your mind. The way zuckerberg did it is the way Seun too must do it.

Seun was not an atheist when he started Nairaland. He became an atheist here (or at least made the final step after he had established NL), to my understanding.

oh now I get where his problem is, he is suffering from new members syndrome or in English: initial gra gra.

A fool said in his heart there is no God

Seun:
America is more godly than Nigeria from a Christian POV. 70% of Americans are Christians and only 3% call themselves atheists. Source.

i know this is right thread for this .....
haba seun...Pls update my profile. My time spent online is incorrect, it's showing 3months. .instead of 4months. .
this happens everytime.
pls do the needful

I don't understand... how do you even wake and decide to be an atheist??