Religion and morality best define.......you choose which is best? we need to start thinking rationally for our own sake.

Look at you so brainwashed by the little Beelzebub, what is morality without religion

Mazeed:
Wizzakosh I have never seen a lawless, manner less and unprincipled human beings like you christians. You people lack good etiquette, you lack good home training, i suppose somebody like you needs to visit the psychiatric hospital to diagnose the state of your mentality. Because i see no sense in you and I'm not surprised that you have no sense because your religion has been hacked and also your pastors and you the followers. I so much love Islam and Muslims because we are good mannered people, we are the best of people that has ever been raised for mankind to set for them a quintessential example for imps like you to follow. Among our good characters is that we believe in all the messengers that was sent by God Almighty right from Adam to the last of them prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them all), this is one good thing that some of you christians lack. Whenever you insult our prophet we don't retaliate by insulting Jesus Christ because he was a messenger from God, I don't know what your religion said about other people's religion and prophets that used to give you the effrontery to insult other people's prophet, even if you don't believe in him at least you should respect the fact that He is a messenger from the same God that created Christ. I now see reasons why some people slaughter you people like rams.

well mannered you say, it is reflecting in your write up. U said you muslim were raised in a mannered way, I give up on that. If killing fellow human, beheading of ppl for blasphemy, attacking ppl for eating during ur fasting is a good mannered way, then I totally give up. I will prefer to be with ifa priests, or animals in the bush to living with a muslim. Living with some1 in darkness religion. The whole world know that the world must av be @ peace without this your devilish religion. It is a simple truth that you yourself know about, but you are afraid to say it cos you know your head will go for it. Mannered way in boko haram, ISIS, brotherhood, al shabab. All the terrorists of the world are associated with islam, yet you are talking of manner. I knw by the time you are reading this, you will wish to see me so that you can behead. That is no 1 trait in your religion. Beheading and killing is the foundation, well what d devil wants b4 if not to kill. B4 you talk about manner, why don't you access your religion first, and check out how you av killed christians. Mrs brihget case is still there, redeem pastor's wife is another, never forget about a man that eat during fasting. you beta confess and allow God cover you before you perished.

Mazeed:
Wizzakosh I have never seen a lawless, manner less and unprincipled human beings like you christians. You people lack good etiquette, you lack good home training, i suppose somebody like you needs to visit the psychiatric hospital to diagnose the state of your mentality. Because i see no sense in you and I'm not surprised that you have no sense because your religion has been hacked and also your pastors and you the followers. I so much love Islam and Muslims because we are good mannered people, we are the best of people that has ever been raised for mankind to set for them a quintessential example for imps like you to follow. Among our good characters is that we believe in all the messengers that was sent by God Almighty right from Adam to the last of them prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them all), this is one good thing that some of you christians lack. Whenever you insult our prophet we don't retaliate by insulting Jesus Christ because he was a messenger from God, I don't know what your religion said about other people's religion and prophets that used to give you the effrontery to insult other people's prophet, even if you don't believe in him at least you should respect the fact that He is a messenger from the same God that created Christ. I now see reasons why some people slaughter you people like rams.

not that you see reason why some ppl slaughter like ram, who are the ppl, are they not the muslims, evil doers. Killing ppl saying they kill for God, don't say some ppl. Don't deny your ppl. They are your ppl. ISLAM is EVIL. I will keep saying it.

ollah1:


Lol. "We decided". How may of you guys decided this? Unlike you, Muslims don't just decide. We pray on everyday as commanded by God. We pray jumat of Fridays as commanded by God. Nothing like we decided. Lol. You are gonna be a good comedian. You should consider it

I will only accept your bullshit if you can tell me the verse in your koran that instructed you to worship in mosque and on friday. As well as the meaning of your mosque.

Christian dressing in schools? mind you the pagan yorubas too will surely get a public holiday for Ogun,egungun,ifa and above 150 other festivals and mondays(aje) must be free for them.those in support say hi.

You see the problem I have with you is that talking to you is like pouring down water on a rock which will absolutely yield nothing. Please before you call upon Islamic state and the rest, who are the moguls, who are the crusaders, for sure these are terrorist group in your own christiandom which shows that no religion is free from evil perpetuators.

Fact

FriendChoice:


Qur'an is revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him. He understand the Qur'an more than anyone, Hadith is the commentary of Quran. That is one of the purpose of Prophet to explain in details what God message is. If anyone explain Quran on his own understanding without consulting Muhammad pbum explanation then he will go and do evil. E.g Boko Haram. If you follow only what is written in Qur'an without the commentary (Hadith) then you will not pray the way Muslim pray today, you will not perform ablution as the Islamic world do. The Qur'an ask to pray, it did not explain how to pray. the prophet explain it.

Allah promise to guide the Quran

‘" We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr Stone land-:9)

If Allah Almighty has promise to guide the Quran. Hadith is the explanation of Quran, do you think Allah will allow wrong explanation to Quran? The answer is no.

Not all Hadith are Authentic, only Authentic Hadith
are used by Muslims, Authentic Hadith are written
down and non Authentic Hadith are also written
down.

If any Hadith is two way sided, some of it true and
some no clear evidence that Prophet said this, then
it's rendered invalid. There are other criteria for checking it authenticity.

Hadith have source, I cannot wake up and say this is Hadith of prophet. Take any Hadith, u will see source chain, Some Hadith are narrated by Companions, some wives of the prophet. Understand me, I am not saying u must believe in Hadith, you're not Muslim. What I am saying is, I quote a Hadith on moon to justify weather, u cannot say it can't be accepted, that doesn't concern you. What u should say is: The Hadith I quoted is false and be ready to provide evidence.

What I don't like in your argument is using GPS to detect the presence of moon. claiming countries use settrlit to detect the moon.

I am interested to know more, u believe Jesus peace be upon him is not God, why don't you believe in Muhammad peace be upon. Why don't u accept Islam?

the hadith you believe in is also disputed by a part of the Islamic world the shia you call some authentic and …some others not Authentic, Hadith were not written until 3 generation after Muhammad passed away, most were written to lay claims to be his successor, just like Aisha father who succeed him didn't give his daughter any part of his estate claiming the prophet had no earthly possession, but he gave his own children when he died, read my brother find out the truth, separate politics of old from religion, Christianity had its own fair share of politics and religion together, if you have to read the hadith to understand the koran as you claimed, wont Mohammed have ordered it to be written when he was alive? even the Koran eas not complied until after his death by the 3rd caliph.

Mazeed:
You see the problem I have with you is that talking to you is like pouring down water on a rock which will absolutely yield nothing. Please before you call upon Islamic state and the rest, who are the moguls, who are the crusaders, for sure these are terrorist group in your own christiandom which shows that no religion is free from evil perpetuators.

monguls and crusaders were not terrorist groups oooo, one was an army of an empire the other liberation forces, terrorist groups are very different, they attack and kill for no just cause.

masseratti:
the hadith you believe in is also disputed by a part of the Islamic world the shia you call some authentic and …some others not Authentic, Hadith were not written until 3 generation after Muhammad passed away, most were written to lay claims to be his successor, just like Aisha father who succeed him didn't give his daughter any part of his estate claiming the prophet had no earthly possession, but he gave his own children when he died, read my brother find out the truth, separate politics of old from religion, Christianity had its own fair share of politics and religion together, if you have to read the hadith to understand the koran as you claimed, wont Mohammed have ordered it to be written when he was alive? even the Koran eas not complied until after his death by the 3rd caliph.

Since you have some knowledge of Islam, go and research on what shi'a is and why do they reject some Hadith. Shi'a has also rejected some part of the Quran. Third caliph of Islam Compile the Quran, Usman (R.D) is among those who Allah himself have trusted. And that is part of God promise that he will protect the Quran.

And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. [Quran 9: 100] Muhajiruun = Companions from Mecca. Ansar = Companions who received the prophet (people of madina) [/b]

Response: The prophet (pbuh) forbade the writing of Hadith in the early stages of Islam, he feared that his sayings and the Quran would be mixed. Later on when the Quran was nearly completed he allowed for the Hadith to be written.

The Full Hadith, what Sa’id Khudri narrated is below:

Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

omosuper:
Did you say this when your people were crying about hijab? Hypocrite

So frm my post you deduced who my 'people' are? or you are looking for an oppurtunity to pick on sum1

FriendChoice:


Since you have some knowledge of Islam, go and research on what shi'a is and why do they reject some Hadith. Shi'a has also rejected some part of the Quran. Third caliph of Islam Compile the Quran, Usman (R.D) is among those who Allah himself have trusted. And that is part of God promise that he will protect the Quran.

And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. [Quran 9: 100] Muhajiruun = Companions from Mecca. Ansar = Companions who received the prophet (people of madina) [/b]

Response: The prophet (pbuh) forbade the writing of Hadith in the early stages of Islam, he feared that his sayings and the Quran would be mixed. Later on when the Quran was nearly completed he allowed for the Hadith to be written.

The Full Hadith, what Sa’id Khudri narrated is below:

Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

its on record that the hadith was not writing at anytime Muhammad was alive so stop justifying that, am not aware of any part of the koran shia don't believe in, where sunni and shia differs is on hadith, which is books written by various people stating various claims to the Prophet, uf you have an open mind, you will know politics was clearly involved, the division in Islam started the same day Mohammed died, thats pure politics, not a divine situation, the hadith authentic by you is considered false by other Muslims, and you want to use it to understand the koran? Isis and boko haram leaders apso have their own writings few years to come their members will consider the writings as truthful.

masseratti:
its on record that the hadith was not writing at anytime Muhammad was alive so stop justifying that, am not aware of any part of the koran shia don't believe in, where sunni and shia differs is on hadith, which is books written by various people stating various claims to the Prophet, uf you have an open mind, you will know politics was clearly involved, the division in Islam started the same day Mohammed died, thats pure politics, not a divine situation, the hadith authentic by you is considered false by other Muslims, and you want to use it to understand the koran? Isis and boko haram leaders apso have their own writings few years to come their members will consider the writings as truthful.

What am I justifying? Do you even read what I wrote? According to Hadith above Muhammad allow Hadith to be written and that is what you ask basically.
SECONDLY I ask you to go 4 research before speaking about shi'a, you said you're not aware they don't believe in some verses of Quran, then go for research and drop your argument for now. No Muslim can know the Quran better than Muhammad and authentic Hadith is believe by all Muslims except Muslims with your thinking and Shi'a. To no surprise, shi'a don't believe in the entire Quran tackles of Hadith. Shi'a believe the prophesy is not for Muhammad Pbum rather for his cousin Ali (R D). What is the surprise if they don't believe in Hadith. All group of Muslim, including the so called terrorist believe in Hadith, they only explain wrongly to their followers.

What do you know I shall get back yo with enough evidence.

FriendChoice:


What am I justifying? Do you even read what I wrote? According to Hadith above Muhammad allow Hadith to be written and that is what you ask basically.
SECONDLY I ask you to go 4 research before speaking about shi'a, you said you're not aware they don't believe in some verses of Quran, then go for research and drop your argument for now. No Muslim can know the Quran better than Muhammad and authentic Hadith is believe by all Muslims except Muslims with your thinking and Shi'a. To no surprise, shi'a don't believe in the entire Quran tackles of Hadith. Shi'a believe the prophesy is not for Muhammad Pbum rather for his cousin Ali (R D). What is the surprise if they don't believe in Hadith. All group of Muslim, including the so called terrorist believe in Hadith, they only explain wrongly to their followers.

very funny, hadith said Mohammed later allowed hadith to be written, when and how was the hadith written? no hadith was written when he was alive, the 1st published hadith was written 80 years after his death, Mohammed knew nothing about hadith, its a book people wrote to claim credibility to be Muslim leaders, am not surprise at what you said about shia, as I can see you don't refer to them as true Muslims, prophesy for Ali? where did u get that from?

masseratti:
very funny, hadith said Mohammed later allowed hadith to be written, when and how was the hadith written? no hadith was written when he was alive, the 1st published hadith was written 80 years after his death, Mohammed knew nothing about hadith, its a book people wrote to claim credibility to be Muslim leaders, am not surprise at what you said about shia, as I can see you don't refer to them as true Muslims, prophesy for Ali? where did u get that from?

You said first published was 80 years old After his death Previously you said it was written After 3 generation when Muhammad (SAW) passed away. Tree generation in 80 Years.?.?.?

Please don't talk to me on Shia again, if you can ask where did I get it from, dat means you don't know shi'a at all. I ask you to go 4 research and you don't want, you are just interested in baseless argument. If you quote me without investigating, then I shall ignore it.

FriendChoice:


You said first published was 80 years old After his death Previously you said it was written After 3 generation when Muhammad (SAW) passed away. Tree generation in 80 Years.?.?.?

Please don't talk to me on Shia again, if you can ask where did I get it from, dat means you don't know shi'a at all. I ask you to go 4 research and you don't want, you are just interested in baseless argument. If you quote me without investigating, then I shall ignore it.

lol, you can have 3 generations in a century, if your grandmother is still alive, thats a generation, your father, another generation, yours 3rd generation all can b alive at d same time. Gerrit.

masseratti:
lol, you can have 3 generations in a century, if your grandmother is still alive, thats a generation, your father, another generation, yours 3rd generation all can b alive at d same time. Gerrit.

If all the 3 are present, why will the grandchild Write it when the First generation are alive.

FriendChoice:


If all the 3 are present, why will the grandchild Write it when the First generation are alive.

lol, you are way smarter than this, am sure you saw where i wrote 3 generations after his death.

masseratti:
lol, you are way smarter than this, am sure you saw where i wrote 3 generations after his death.

LOOK This Bellow

masseratti:
the hadith you believe in is also disputed by a part of the Islamic world the shia you call some authentic and …some others not Authentic, Hadith were not written until 3 generation after Muhammad passed away...

FriendChoice:


LOOK This Bellow

its still the samething am saying, after he passed away 3 generations, same 3 generation is in 80 yrs, haba my word did not change, 80yrs, 3 generations, its that simple to comprehend

masseratti:
its still the samething am saying, after he passed away 3 generations, same 3 generation is in 80 yrs, haba my word did not change, 80yrs, 3 generations, its that simple to comprehend

Hahaha. Accept you lie, 3 generation in 80years, you said if possible grandfather is alive, father, then son. Then who knows better, the grandfather who is first generation, father the second, or grandchild the 3rd generation. Why will 3rd generation while the first are there

FriendChoice:


Hahaha. Accept you lie, 3 generation in 80years, you said if possible grandfather is alive, father, then son. Then who knows better, the grandfather who is first generation, father the second, or grandchild the 3rd generation. Why will 3rd generation while the first are there

smh, seems comprehension is pretty hard.
Let me help you
If someone says a book was written 3 generation after "death "of person

In another post says 80 years" after death "of the same person, what is the lie there?
Oh you fail to understand that 3 generation can make up to 80 years? Am even being fair quoting 80 years when the gap between Mohammed and al Bukhari and muslim is almost 200 years so whats the fuss about? Mohammed said do not write anything down for me except what is in the koran

masseratti:
smh, seems comprehension is pretty hard.
Let me help you
If someone says a book was written 3 generation after "death "of person

In another post says 80 years" after death "of the same person, what is the lie there?
Oh you fail to understand that 3 generation can make up to 80 years? Am even being fair quoting 80 years when the gap between Mohammed and al Bukhari and muslim is almost 200 years so whats the fuss about? Mohammed said do not write anything down for me except what is in the koran

3 generation in 80years lie of the century. Muhammad says Narrate from me, you quote half of Hadith and you keep quite, Muhammad (SAW) don't write from me, after you said you don't believe in Hadith, you're quoting it, hypocrisy. Since you don't believe in Hadith, I challenge you to show me where he says don't write from me. Use something else as reference not Hadith. Why quote something u don't agree with.


Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down
anything from me, and he who took down anything
from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that
AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it
and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he
should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

FriendChoice:



3 generation in 80years lie of the century. Muhammad says Narrate from me, you quote half of Hadith and you keep quite, Muhammad (SAW) don't write from me, after you said you don't believe in Hadith, you're quoting it, hypocrisy. Since you don't believe in Hadith, I challenge you to show me where he says don't write from me. Use something else as reference not Hadith. Why quote something u don't agree with.


Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down
anything from me, and he who took down anything
from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that
AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it
and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he
should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

am only showing you how your tremendous authentic book is contradicting itself, that said no more quotes from it, enuf said

Back to the 3generations after death that can be 80 years.

I will explain to you like you are 5 years old
So read slowly so that you can grab it

Lets say Mohammed died in year 1900, that same year a man was born called Ade in 1930 ade had a kid when he was 30 years called segun, in 1960 Segun had a son called tunde that is 3 generation from 1900 to 1960 after the death of a person in 1900,

i hope you are clear now?

you are welcome

masseratti:
am only showing you how your tremendous authentic book is contradicting itself, that said no more quotes from it, enuf said

Back to the 3generations after death that can be 80 years.

I will explain to you like you are 5 years old
So read slowly so that you can grab it

Lets say Mohammed died in year 1900, that same year a man was born called Ade in 1930 ade had a kid when he was 30 years called segun, in 1960 Segun had a son
called tunde that is 3 generation from 1900 to 1960 after the death of a person in 1900,

i hope you are clear now?

you are welcome

I did not see any contradiction, I see contradistinction, its not different Hadith, its same Hadith that clearly explain it. Secondly you are only justifying that Muhammad (SAW) has prohibited writing of Hadith and not showing me it contradict. You're only making your point he prohibited. I still ask same question, Make a reference it is prohibited using what you believe is authentic in Islam not Hadith which you don't believe. If you cannot, then it's not prohibited since you have no source to back your claim. And if you agree 2 use the Hadith in this case, that shows its authentic. You're only choosing to be hypocrite. Don't ignore this, choose 1 for me

Regarding your example. Its not one person that write Hadith. So if the father of this spend only 30 years and die. The father of another person can spend 90 more than the entire 80 years u mentioned.

Since you know the age, don't know where you find it, now tell me the history of the Hadith, who is the grandfather of Bukhari how old is he when he died, also his father, then Bukhari himself, then I will believe that generation exist within 80 years, then the first Hadith is written.

FriendChoice:


I did not see any contradiction, I see contradistinction, its not different Hadith, its same Hadith that clearly explain it. Secondly you are only justifying that Muhammad (SAW) has prohibited writing of Hadith and not showing me it contradict. You're only making your point he prohibited. I still ask same question, Make a reference it is prohibited using what you believe is authentic in Islam not Hadith which you don't believe. If you cannot, then it's not prohibited since you have no source to back your claim. And if you agree 2 use the Hadith in this case, that shows its authentic. You're only choosing to be hypocrite. Don't ignore this, choose 1 for me

Regarding your example. Its not one person that write Hadith. So if the father of this spend only 30 years and die. The father of another person can spend 90 more than the entire 80 years u mentioned.

Since you know the age, don't know where you find it, now tell me the history of the Hadith, who is the grandfather of Bukhari how old is he when he died, also his father, then Bukhari himself, then I will believe that generation exist within 80 years, then the first Hadith is written.

guy nvm, its all good you win, you happy now, we all know different people wrote the hadith thats why some are clssified authentic, good and weak, question is how reliable are they to be believed, i cited the example of the 1st caliph that denied Mohammed daughter are inheritance, quoting that the prophet does not have earthly asset, his assests are in heaven, if he didn't why did he amasse the assest when he was alive, his daughter said he promised him the land, the 1st caliph was Mohammed in law, his own daughter was a rival to the mother of Muhammad daughter, heck he sent soldiers to bring her husband to pay homage after he was elected at arms point immediately Mohammed died even before he was buried, Mohammed was not just a religious leader but also a political head, his successors will bring up lies to succeed him and claim the throne, look beyond religion and you will get the answers.

masseratti:
guy nvm, its all good you win, you happy now, we all know different people wrote the hadith thats why some are clssified authentic, good and weak, question is how reliable are they to be believed, i cited the example of the 1st caliph that denied Mohammed daughter are inheritance, quoting that the prophet does not have earthly asset, his assests are in heaven, if he didn't why did he amasse the assest when he was alive, his daughter said he promised him the land, the 1st caliph was Mohammed in law, his own daughter was a rival to the mother of Muhammad daughter, heck he sent soldiers to bring her husband to pay homage after he was elected at arms point immediately Mohammed died even before he was buried, Mohammed was not just a religious leader but also a political head, his successors will bring up lies to succeed him and claim the throne, look beyond religion and you will get the answers.

The simple thing , I want you to understand from all what you hear or browse, somethings don't have prove, some have. I believe you agreed in quoting the Qur'an.

Quran explain all those companion are people who he trust. His wives are also mothers of the nations. If you want I can quote the verses. So for someone to be telling you, this 1 fought with this one, so I will go for this one and hate the other 1, then something is wrong with that person, those companion Allah himself have trust. After years some 1 wake up and tell you I hate this, I like this, this is one of the ideology of Shi'a. Shia has caus the 3 caliph, they only believe in Ali (R.D), they believe in Fatima (R.D). They insult the other wives of Muhammad (SAW). They indirectly insult the Muhammad himself. I think you should go and ask what is shia, because what you're saying it what shi'a says. But indicate if you want me to explain what is shi'a and what is people referred to as Sunni. I wount be biased in my explanations?

Muhammad peace be upon him wealth was basically for the poor Masses even when he is alive, and even if he dies you cannot inherit him, nor shall his wife be inherited.

FriendChoice:


The simple thing , I want you to understand from all what you hear or browse, somethings don't have prove, some have. I believe you agreed in quoting the Qur'an.

Quran explain all those companion are people who he trust. His wives are also mothers of the nations. If you want I can quote the verses. So for someone to be telling you, this 1 fought with this one, so I will go for this one and hate the other 1, then something is wrong with that person, those companion Allah himself have trust. After years some 1 wake up and tell you I hate this, I like this, this is one of the ideology of Shi'a. Shia has caus the 3 caliph, they only believe in Ali (R.D), they believe in Fatima (R.D). They insult the other wives of Muhammad (SAW). They indirectly insult the Muhammad himself. I think you should go and ask what is shia, because what you're saying it what shi'a says. But indicate if you want me to explain what is shi'a and what is people referred to as Sunni. I wount be biased in my explanations?

Muhammad peace be upon him wealth was basically for the poor Masses even when he is alive, and even if he dies you cannot inherit him, nor shall his wife be inherited.

lets agree not to debate on shia, as you have observed am not a shia, lets go away from the hadith, let me state my point very clear, over the years in history christainity, Islam, judeaism, Hindus, buddist have all have theur fair share of mixing politics with religion, if sunni Muslims believes bukhari amd Muslim hadith to be the real one and others good and not so good, ask yourself why? its not a debate, its just a question, ali's wife was the only surviving Mohammed 's daughter, if he would want to bequest his wealth to anyone it will be to Ali's wife, also note ali is Mohammed 's cousin and he was the second to accept his teaching, read about usthman dan fodio too, similar things happened, Mohammed 's daughter lost her pregnancy when the caliph sent soldiers to drag Ali to come and pay homage, which he did later to save his life, the wife wasn't saved, she died from the injury months later, i wanted to rest this fort and back talk, cis i was busy with work, now am ready, separate religion from politics and you will get ther answer yourself.

masseratti:
lets agree not to debate on shia, as you have observed am not a shia, lets go away from the hadith, let me state my point very clear, over the years in history christainity, Islam, judeaism, Hindus, buddist have all have theur fair share of mixing politics with religion, if sunni Muslims believes bukhari amd Muslim hadith to be the real one and others good and not so good, ask yourself why? its not a debate, its just a question, ali's wife was the only surviving Mohammed 's daughter, if he would want to bequest his wealth to anyone it will be to Ali's wife, also note ali is Mohammed 's cousin and he was the second to accept his teaching, read about usthman dan fodio too, similar things happened, Mohammed 's daughter lost her pregnancy when the caliph sent soldiers to drag Ali to come and pay homage, which he did later to save his life, the wife wasn't saved, she died from the injury months later, i wanted to rest this fort and back talk, cis i was busy with work, now am ready, separate religion from politics and you will get ther answer yourself.

You said we shouldn't talk of Shi'a and you're interested in what they said. The whole story above is fabricated by shia with no single prove. Let me help you

Twelver Shi'a view Wikipedia
Shia historians hold that Umar called for Ali and
his men to come out and swear allegiance to
Abu Bakr. When they did not, Umar broke in,
resulting in Fatimah's ribs being broken by being
pressed between the door and the wall causing
her to miscarry Muhsin which led to her eventual
death. [42][43] Another Shia version of the events
says that Umar sent a force led by his slave-boy
Qunfud to Fatimah's house instructing them to
bring Ali to the mosque . Arriving at the house,
Qunfud requested permission to enter, which
was refused by Ali causing Qunfud to return to
Abu Bakr and Umar and relate the events, who
instructed them to go back and enter the house
by force if necessary. Qunfud and his men
returned but were this time refused permission
by Fatimah which caused Qunfud to send his
men back to Abu Bakr and Umar for further
instructions who told them to burn the house
down if necessary in order to bring Ali to them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimah

Why do they made the allegations, because they are against the remaining Chalips, We Muslims believe in all the companion and the prophet households without exception. Any body who claims he hate this and like this, insult some and even curse them is going to hell.

Ask me questions about Islam my brother not Shi'a words.

Shi'a have 12 imams that are better than Jesus and Abraham peace be upon them . you can Google their names.

That's y I earlier tell you, they don't believe in the entire Quran. Because the Qur'an don't know their 12 Imams. But Qur'an know Jesus and other prophet (SAW) as higher personalities than normal people.

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You said we shouldn't talk of Shi'a and you're interested in what they said. The whole story above is fabricated by shia with no single prove. Let me help you



Why do they made the allegations, because they are against the remaining Chalips, We Muslims believe in all the companion and the prophet households without exception. Any body who claims he hate this and like this, insult some and even curse them is going to hell.

Ask me questions about Islam my brother not Shi'a words.

Shi'a have 12 imams that are better than Jesus and Abraham peace be upon them . you can Google their names.

That's y I earlier tell you, they don't believe in the entire Quran. Because the Qur'an don't know their 12 Imams. But Qur'an know Jesus and other prophet (SAW) as higher personalities than normal people.

your opinion, enough said, av a lovely day.