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. by Abso1uteZero(m): 8:35pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
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Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 8:43pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
I Just Had An Epiphany..If The Universe Created Itself, Then That Means That G/gods Didnt Create The Universe Which To Me Throws A Major Spanner In The Works Of Major Religions And, If The Universe In All Its "early" Chaos Couldnt Create Itself Then What Are The Chances Of Intelligent Beigns That Create Universes Popping Out From No Where?..Hmmmnn 1 Like |
Re: . by ammyluv2002(f): 8:43pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
God is not science with logical reasonings. Don't expect to add 1 plus 1 = 2 with God. I would advise you keep an open mind then tell Him, you want to know Him. 3 Likes |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 8:51pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
ammyluv2002:If God Is Real Then I Want To Meet Him (i Mean See Him)..Serious |
Re: . by ammyluv2002(f): 8:54pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero:God cannot be seen except for few cases in the bible, but you can always feel His presence. Like I said earlier, all you need to do is ask! Seek Him wholeheartedly |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 8:57pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
ammyluv2002:Im Not Looking For "presence" Im Looking Fop PROOF For Or Against..Thanks For Your Reply |
Re: . by ammyluv2002(f): 9:02pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero:Okay! Just hold on. Promise to have an open mind at least? Sanchez01, biko bia o! I need you right now....our brother here needs answers. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 9:07pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
ammyluv2002:okay |
Re: . by Ranchhoddas: 9:18pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
ammyluv2002:An open mind is most likely going to get him away from the God you have in mind. Trust me on this. 1 Like |
Re: . by Nobody: 9:21pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:she think say she one win soul for god na |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 9:24pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:I Do Not Understand..Could You Expand? |
Re: . by ammyluv2002(f): 9:26pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:He has some doubts about God, but taking away those doubts will help him get a clear picture. He should start on a fresh note |
Re: . by Ranchhoddas: 9:27pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
stephenmorris:Leave am. She has no idea. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 9:31pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:bro, Are You Going To Tell Me What You Are On About Or What? |
Re: . by DeSepiero(m): 9:33pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Re: . by Nobody: 9:41pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero: You say you want to meet God! How? Why? What to you would be an adequate God meeting experience? What would this meeting experience serve? Just to prove Him to you or to create a relationship with Him? God cannot meet you on your terms but on His terms as no flesh can withstand the glory of His presence and if he does decide to meet you how would you know He is the one? What would suffice for you? Answer my questions then we can talk better. |
Re: . by Ranchhoddas: 9:43pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero:Being open-minded entails looking at every argument that you are confronted with using the same level of scrutiny. From my experience, the non-believers usually present more compelling arguments. An open-mind seven out of ten times will lead away from God, especially the God that Ammyluv2002 is trying to present. |
Re: . by Sanchez01: 9:55pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
ammyluv2002:I'm here... Sorry I was away still celebrating Real's win over Sporting. I think I could help explain a thing or two to him though. We pray he keeps his mind open. |
Re: . by ammyluv2002(f): 10:01pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Sanchez01:Thank you jare 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 10:02pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
4everGod:First Of All, I Will Assume You Re Talking About The Christain God; If So Then You Should Be Telling 'Me' How Cause I Do Not Know.How Did You Meet Him?..Why? Because Im Curious If There Is Someone That Powerful, Then I Want To Know...For Your Third Question It Will Put My Doubt To Rest And Make Me Take The Bible Seriously..As For Your Other Paragraph, Until Your God Proves His Existence, I Cant Take Any Of It Seriously And Will Continue To Use Logic Cause Proof I Believe, Logic I Can Get Behind But Unfounded Superstition Based On Emotion Is A No |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 10:07pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
4everGod:How Did You Know He Was The One? |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 10:14pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
4everGod:also, I Have Questions For You Too. Who Is God, Where Does He Come, How Did He Make Trees, Animals, Humans, The Universe? Unless God Is A Genious Scientist With Advanced Technology Then I Really Dont Know |
Re: . by Sanchez01: 10:33pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero:Truth be told, I understand you perfectly and where you're coming from. Getting a better, objective scale and asking questions on grey areas makes it easier in defining and find a path. Unfortunately, no man can see God. Not even those closest to Him did; Moses, Elijah and Elisha. Enough of the Bible now, let's come down to things we can see and interact with; I'd be raising my point from a very interesting topic I've kept close to my heart over the years. A book titled: 20 Arguments to God's Existence, which has now been laid bare on a website. 12. The Argument from the Origin of the Idea of Godhttp://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/#12 Would still post other aspects of the Argument as times goes on, hopefully. To the question, does God exist? The simple answer is yes! He does exist but not exactly the way we'd want Him to. Do you believe in the three parts of man, namely the body, soul and spirit? If no, it then means that questions bothering on heaven and hell are lies and fairy tales. And if yes, then it means you wholly agree to the concept of ghosts and spirits. And assuming you still stick to your guns on the physical and empirical, that would mean stories of supernatural forces, stories of ghosts that have been escalated all over the world are nothing but figments of someone's imaginations. Would the world would have been able to form and come out beautiful by chain chemical reactions? I think not. The perfection of the world is not some cook up chemicals but the hand of being, whom we cannot see. Regardless, how then do we describe the way humans are fashion as? Could it have been sheer coincidences for all humans, regardless of colour, size and background to have the same anatomical structure? Does it imply that something, somewhere fashioned us as a model after another thing? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by Sanchez01: 10:37pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Let's take another argument, now, shall we? 16. The Argument from Desire Every natural, innate desire in us corresponds to some real object that can satisfy that desire. But there exists in us a desire which nothing in time, nothing on earth, no creature can satisfy. Therefore there must exist something more than time, earth and creatures, which can satisfy this desire. This something is what people call "God" and "life with God forever." The first premise implies a distinction of desires into two kinds: innate and externally conditioned, or natural and artificial. We naturally desire things like food, drink, sex, sleep, knowledge, friendship and beauty; and we naturally shun things like starvation, loneliness, ignorance and ugliness. We also desire (but not innately or naturally) things like sports cars, political office, flying through the air like Superman, the land of Oz and a Red Sox world championship. Now there are differences between these two kinds of desires. We do not, for example, for the most part, recognize corresponding states of deprivation for the second, the artificial, desires, as we do for the first. There is no word like "Ozlessness" parallel to "sleeplessness." But more importantly, the natural desires come from within, from our nature, while the artificial ones come from without, from society, advertising or fiction. This second difference is the reason for a third difference: the natural desires are found in all of us, but the artificial ones vary from person to person. The existence of the artificial desires does not necessarily mean that the desired objects exist. Some do; some don't. Sports cars do; Oz does not. But the existence of natural desires does, in every discoverable case, mean that the objects desired exist. No one has ever found one case of an innate desire for a nonexistent object. The second premise requires only honest introspection. If someone denies it and says, "I am perfectly happy playing with mud pies, or sports cars, or money, or sex, or power," we can only ask, "Are you, really?" But we can only appeal, we cannot compel. And we can refer such a person to the nearly universal testimony of human history in all its great literature. Even the atheist Jean-Paul Sartre admitted that "there comes a time when one asks, even of Shakespeare, even of Beethoven, 'Is that all there is?'" The conclusion of the argument is not that everything the Bible tells us about God and life with God is really so. What it proves is an unknown X, but an unknown whose direction, so to speak, is known. This X is more: more beauty, more desirability, more awesomeness, more joy. This X is to great beauty as, for example, great beauty is to small beauty or to a mixture of beauty and ugliness. And the same is true of other perfections. But the "more" is infinitely more, for we are not satisfied with the finite and partial. Thus the analogy (X is to great beauty as great beauty is to small beauty) is not proportionate. Twenty is to ten as ten is to five, but infinite is not to twenty as twenty is to ten. The argument points down an infinite corridor in a definite direction. Its conclusion is not "God" as already conceived or defined, but a moving and mysterious X which pulls us to itself and pulls all our images and concepts out of themselves. |
Re: . by Sanchez01: 10:39pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
I understand the posts are lengthy but trust me, I'm sure you'll find them interesting Continued... In other words, the only concept of God in this argument is the concept of that which transcends concepts, something "no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the human heart conceived" (1 Cor. 2:9). In other words, this is the real God. C. S. Lewis, who uses this argument in a number of places, summarizes it succinctly: "Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for these desires exists. A baby feels hunger; well, there is such a thing as food. A dolphin wants to swim; well, there is such a thing as water. Men feel sexual desire; well, there is such a thing as sex. If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." (Mere Christianity, Bk. III, chap. 10, "Hope" Question 1: How can you know the major premise—that every natural desire has a real object—is universally true, without first knowing that this natural desire also has a real object? But that is the conclusion. Thus you beg the question. You must know the conclusion to be true before you can know the major premise. |
Re: . by Sanchez01: 10:48pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Often wondered how fashionable and orderly the universe is and how everything plays out naturally? Well, the truth is that, it is not the work of some cause and effect. Just as scientists would readily play God down, Architects, overtime have also claimed they don't believe in God but in design. Quite true, but one must come to realize that the aesthetics they cherish so much is not realized by chemicals. How possible is it for chemicals to dictate and order the nature of things in the universe? How are chain reactions from heaven knows where able to trigger and fashion humans with the necessary organs up to reproductive tools within a living organism? The same reaction, perhaps made sure that animals also had reproductive organs to make sure they procreate and all? No! All these are clearly the works of a perfect architect, who not only understands order but placements and how organisms live and sustain their lives. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 10:53pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
[quote author=Sanchez01 post=49366725] Truth be told, I understand you perfectly and where you're coming from. Getting a better, objective scale and asking questions on grey areas makes it easier in defining and find a path. Unfortunately, no man can see God. Not even those closest to Him did; Moses, Elijah and Elisha. Enough of the Bible now, let's come down to things we can see and interact with; I'd be raising my point from a very interesting topic I've kept close to my heart over the years. A book titled: 20 Arguments to God's Existence, which has now been laid bare on a website. http://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/#12 Would still post other aspects of the Argument as times goes on, hopefully. To the question, does God exist? The simple answer is yes! He does exist but not exactly the way we'd want Him to. ///////////////////////// I Do Not Have The Idea That There Is An Infinite And All Perfect God..So I Dont Know If That Works |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 11:05pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
[quote author=Sanchez01 post=49366831]Let's take another argument, now, shall we? 16. The Argument from Desire Every natural, innate desire in us corresponds to some real object that can satisfy that desire. But there exists in us a desire which nothing in time, nothing on earth, no creature can satisfy. Therefore there must exist something more than time, earth and creatures, which can satisfy this desire. This something is what people call "God" and "life with God forever." //////////////////////////////// I Do Not Desire ' God' Or To Be With ' God' Forever..When I Die, I Want To Die/rest..I Do Not Think This Works..As For The ' X' Thing, I Do Not Understand..Throw More Light. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 11:24pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Question 1: How can you know the major premise—that every natural desire//////////////////////////// I Have Answered This Question.. I Do Not Have The Natural Desire To Know God Or Be With Him Forever.The Only Reason We Are Having This Conversation Is Because I Am Curious About The Origin Of The Universe And Kept An Open Mind Not To Sweep The Creation Story Under The Rug Because Science Cannot Tell Us It Didnt Categorically Happen Ie Im Giving It The Benefit Of The Doubt Until Theres Proof.I Really Do Not Know How This Helps. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 11:39pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Sanchez01:I Kept An Open Mind So I Would Plead You To Do The Same..First Of All, There Is Nothing Orderly About The Universe.Most Of It Is In Utter Chaos.Do You Know About The Winds In Planets In Our Solar System That Move At Thousands Of Miles Per Hour And Destroy Everything In Its Wake Hell Even On Earth There Are Earthquakes That Kill Hundreds Of Thousands Of People At Once..This Universe And Earth Looks More Like The Product Of Chaos Than Design..Will Write More Later. |
Re: . by Ranchhoddas: 11:52pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Abso1uteZero:You are not in any predicament. You are an atheist. |
Re: . by Abso1uteZero(m): 1:57am On Sep 15, 2016 |
I Know I Came Here Confused, I Am Not So Sure Now |
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