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goodnewscliff:
who claimed that...quote me claiming such....this is why i prefer paul grundy to ya all..u keep lying without quoting....u chat wit quoted fact...i never claimed jesus was human in heaven..can a human leave in heaven?? be reasonable naa dont waste my battery!!!

Olodo...who says you said Jesus was human in heaven Is Human DIVINE

Read my post again maybe this time you'll understand.

Anything that refuses to glorify GOD or exalt Him is of Satan.

The JW's teach that the Holy Spirit of GOD is only a force.

Jesus says when the Holy Spirit comes, He will guide us into all truth. (Jn. 16:13). Why did Jesus use "He" to qualify the Holy Spirit? Why didn't Jesus use it?

Jesus says the Holy Spirit will comfort. Can anything other than an Intellingent Being comfort? Can a force comfort?

The Spirit spoke to Philip (Acts 8:29). Can a force speak?

The Scriptures were inspired by the Spirit of GOD. (2 Pet. 1:21.) Can a force inspire? Then that force must be alive.

Jesus says that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a terrble sin.(Matt. 12:31,32) By definition, blasphemy is a contemptuous or profane act, utterance or writing against GOD. If the Holy Spirit is not GOD, how then can you blaspheme Him? Can you blaspheme a force?

Sitex:
what's all these you have written here
I couldn't Make a single sense out of it

That means there is no sense up there to make a sense out of it. Sorry, it's not my fault!

DoctorAlien:
GOD sent othniel too as a saviour to Israel. We know Othniel had no power to save anybody of his own. GOD only wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus, are you saying that Jesus Christ has no power to save anybody of His own, just like othniel?

King James Bible(acts 10:38)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
* the verse did not say God was with himself
* the verse did not say God anointed himseLf with power!

King James Bible
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.[/color]
*note that jesus was given!

when jesus was on earth dId he do anything on his own ? no, he did what his God had taught and told him to do!, he came to do the fathers will.

Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Ac 5:31God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
*God used jesus to save mankind!

Isa 53:11Because of his anguish, he will see and be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, Will bring a righteous standing to many people, And their errors he will bear.

goodnewscliff:
when demon possesses someone,, does it mean the demon is inside the person or the person is filled with the demon seriously check the meaning of the word "demon possessed"...b4 u check...i will brief u on dat...it means wen someone is under the influence or control of the demon...it doesn't refer to it as been inside the person...unlike the holy spirit....u get filled with it...it doesn't control u..it gives u power to do a particular thing at a particular time.......wen u read u reason!!!

The demon is not inside the person? These people will not kill me with laugh.

Luke 8:2 says seven demons went out of Mary Magdalene. How can you say a demon cannot be in a person?

solite3:
@ bold lol when Jesus cast out demon spirit where did they come out from?

demon possesed doesn't mean d demon is present in the body of the victim...its d power and influence of d demon that was casted out dats y its called unclean spirit!!!! a demon can only possess and influence with it unclean power and influence....

dolphinheart,

GOD sent othniel too as a saviour to Israel. We know Othniel had no power to save anybody of his own. GOD only wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus, are you saying that Jesus Christ has no power to save anybody of His own, just like othniel? Yes or No?

solite3:
what about millions of witnesses that has died as a result of rejecting blood transfusion!

they will get their life back through the resurrection, when those who have obeyed God's law are resurrected!

goodnewscliff:
u jst quoting without understanding whats clearly stated....let me hit u with this..... The Bible’s answer
The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35 ) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.— Psalm 104:30; 139:7 .
In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2 ) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:
Breath.— Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15 .
Wind.— Genesis 8:1; John 3:8 .
The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.— Job 34:14, 15 .
A person’s disposition or attitude.—
Numbers 14:24 .
Spirit persons, including God and the angels.— 1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24 .
These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”— An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine.
The Bible also refers to God’s holy spirit as his “hands” or “fingers.” (Psalm 8:3; 19:1; Luke 11:20 ; compare Matthew 12:28 .) Just as a craftsman uses his hands and fingers to do his work, God has used his spirit to produce such results as the following:
The universe.— Psalm 33:6; Isaiah 66:
1, 2 .
The Bible.— 2 Peter 1:20, 21 .
The miracles performed by his ancient servants and their zealous preaching.—
Luke 4:18; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 12:
4-11 .
The fine qualities displayed by people who obey him.— Galatians 5:22, 23 .
The holy spirit is not a person
By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:
8, 10 ) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. ( Luke 11:13 ) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.— Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6 .
The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31 ) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55 ) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision.
Misconceptions about the holy spirit
Misconception: The “Holy Ghost,” or holy spirit, is a person and is part of the Trinity , as stated at 1 John 5:7, 8 in the King James version of the Bible.
Fact: The King James version of the Bible includes at 1 John 5:7, 8 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” However, researchers have found that those words were not written by the apostle John and so do not belong in the Bible. Professor Bruce M. Metzger wrote: “That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain.”— A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament.
Misconception: The Bible personifies the holy spirit, and this proves that it is a person.
Fact: The Scriptures do at times personify the holy spirit, but this does not prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. (Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21 ) For example, wisdom is said to have “works” and “children,” and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness.— Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:
35; Romans 7:8, 11 .
Similarly, when the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a “helper” (paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” (John 16:
7-15 ) However, he did so because the Greek word for “helper” (pa·raʹkle·tos ) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun “it.”— John 14:16, 17 .
Misconception: Baptism in the name of the holy spirit proves that it is a person.
Fact: The Bible sometimes uses “name” to stand for power or authority. (Deuteronomy 18:5, 19-22; Esther 8:10 ) This is similar to its use in the English expression “in the name of the law,” which does not mean that the law is a person. A person who is baptized “in the name of ” the holy spirit recognizes the power and role of the holy spirit in accomplishing God’s will.— Matthew 28:19 .
Misconception: Jesus’ apostles and other early disciples believed that the holy spirit was a person.
Fact: The Bible does not say that, nor does history. The Encyclopædia Britannica
states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

please point out your assertion from these, using/quoting the Bible as reference precisely when needed and stop all these historian beliefs formulated by your watch tower leaders, mind you it should be concise and just. Then we talk.

goodnewscliff:
demon possesed doesn't mean d demon is present in the body of the victim...its d power and influence of d demon that was casted out dats y its called unclean spirit!!!! a demon can only possess and influence with it unclean power and influence....

So which version of the Bible says the power and influence of seven demons were cast out of Mary Magdalene?

DoctorAlien:
The demon is not inside the person? These people will not kill me with laugh.

Luke 8:2 says seven demons went out of Mary Magdalene. How can you say a demon cannot be in a person?

You haven't seen funny respond just be patience their LONG EPISTLE writer @Dolphinheart has arrived you will begin to see more lies.

Just notice how he will be using KJV and perhaps some versions which he never rated above NWT.

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

GOD sent othniel too as a saviour to Israel. We know Othniel had no power to save anybody of his own. GOD only wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus, are you saying that Jesus Christ has no power to save anybody of His own, just like othniel? Yes or No?

I believe I just showed you scriptural verses that answered your question!, if jesus had power, who should he still be given power?. when it comes to given life to humans here is what jesus said :
King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

goodnewscliff: The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35 ) God sends out his spirit by [size=14pt]projecting his energy[/size] to any place to accomplish his will

If the @bold is true that means Jehovah was talking to Himself when the Bible says "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; [size=14pt]but whatsoever he shall hear,[/size] that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13 KJV

So, if Holy spirit is what God project out from Himself and not a person it means God is talking to Himself since The Spirit can be TALKED to and HEAR

DoctorAlien:
Anything that refuses to glorify GOD or exalt Him is of Satan.

The JW's teach that the Holy Spirit of GOD is only a force.

Jesus says when the Holy Spirit comes, He will guide us into all truth. (Jn. 16:13). Why did Jesus use "He" to qualify the Holy Spirit? Why didn't Jesus use it?

Jesus says the Holy Spirit will comfort. Can anything other than an Intellingent Being comfort? Can a force comfort?

The Spirit spoke to Philip (Acts 8:29). Can a force speak?

The Scriptures were inspired by the Spirit of GOD. (2 Pet. 1:21.) Can a force inspire? Then that force must be alive.

Jesus says that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a terrble sin.(Matt. 12:31,32) By definition, blasphemy is a contemptuous or profane act, utterance or writing against GOD. If the Holy Spirit is not GOD, how then can you blaspheme Him? Can you blaspheme a force?

the holy spirit is Gods power to achieve his purpose.....angels in the bible can be referred to as spirits!!!! Both the Hebrew mal·ʼakhʹ and the Greek
agʹge·los literally mean “messenger.” From the first book of the Bible to the last, these words occur nearly 400 times. When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to human creatures, the rendering is “messengers.” (
; see MESSENGER .) However, in the highly symbolic book of Revelation certain references to ‘angels’ may apply to human creatures.—
.
Angels are sometimes termed spirits; that which is spirit is invisible and powerful. Thus we read: “A spirit came out and stood before Jehovah”; “Are they not all spirits for public service?” (
) Having invisible spiritual bodies, they make their abode “in the heavens.” ( ) They are also termed “sons of the true God,” “morning stars,” and “holy myriads” (or “holy ones”.Definition: The Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek pneuʹma, which are often translated “spirit,” have a number of meanings. All of them refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. The Hebrew and Greek words are used with reference to (1) wind, (2) the active life-force in earthly creatures, (3) the impelling force that issues from a person’s figurative heart and that causes him to say and do things in a certain way, (4) inspired utterances originating with an invisible source, (5) spirit persons, and (6) God’s active force, or holy spirit. Several of these usages are here discussed in relation to topics that may arise in the field ministry.
What is the holy spirit?
A comparison of Bible texts that refer to the holy spirit shows that it is spoken of as ‘filling’ people; they can be ‘baptized’ with it; and they can be “anointed” with it. ( ) None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.
Jesus also referred to the holy spirit as a “helper” (Greek, pa·raʹkle·tos ), and he said that this helper would “teach,” “bear witness,” “speak,” and ‘hear.’ (
) It is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personified. For example, wisdom is said to have “children.” ( ) Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (
) While some texts say that the spirit “spoke,” other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (
; compare with
.) At , not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’ So, none of the expressions found in these texts in themselves prove that the holy spirit is a person.
The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit. With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.—
.
See also pages 406, 407, under the heading “Trinity.”
What gives evidence that a person really has the holy spirit, or “the Holy Ghost” (KJ)?
: “[Jesus read from the scroll of the prophet Isaiah:] ‘Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news’ . . . And he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee. And he was teaching them on the sabbath; and they were astounded at his way of teaching, because his speech was with authority. Now in the synagogue there was a man with a spirit, an unclean demon, and he shouted with a loud voice . . . But Jesus rebuked it, saying: ‘Be silent, and come out of him.’ So, after throwing the man down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him.” (What gave evidence that Jesus had God’s spirit? The account does not say that he trembled or shouted or moved about in a fervor. Rather, it says he spoke with authority. It is noteworthy, however, that on that occasion a demonic spirit did move a man to shout and fall onto the floor.)
says that when Jesus’ followers received holy spirit they would be witnesses about him. According to
, when they did receive that spirit, observers were impressed by the fact that, although the ones speaking were all Galileans, they were speaking about the magnificent things of God in languages that were familiar to the many foreigners who were present. But the record does not say that there were any emotional outbursts on the part of those who received the spirit.
It is noteworthy that when Elizabeth received the holy spirit and then gave voice to “a loud cry” she was not in a
meeting for worship but was greeting a visiting relative. ( ) When, as reported at , holy spirit came upon an assembly of disciples, the place
was shaken, but the effect of that spirit on the disciples was, not that they trembled or rolled about, but that they ‘spoke the word of God with boldness.’ Likewise today, boldness in speaking the word of God, zealously engaging in the work of witnessing—these are what give evidence that a person has holy spirit.
: “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.” (It is this fruitage, rather than outbursts of religious fervor, that one should look for when seeking to find people who truly have God’s spirit.)

Emusan:
You haven't seen funny respond just be patience their LONG EPISTLE writer @Dolphinheart has arrived you will begin to see more lies.

Just notice how he will be using KJV and perhaps some versions which he never rated above NWT.

your problem is with the ratings of the translation, wunt go their with you. As long as I personally believe that a translation translated a particular verse the right way, I'll use it!, as long as the words(correct or not) of a particular translation aids or helps bring out a point that is being discussed, ILl quote it!

paulGrundy:
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"True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that [size=14pt]within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved[/size]. In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles,....... [size=15pt]will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914[/size]." Studies In the Scriptures - The Time Is At Hand (1889) pp.99, 101

“A religion that teaches lies cannot be true.” Watchtower 1991 Dec 1 p.7

When you say times of the gentiles, the gentile times still continue. . .Trampling on thekingdom of God using false prophets and so on!

The JWs have reduced GOD's own Spirit to just a mere force. No wonder, they have rejected the Spirit of truth. They are filled with lies and laughable heresies in the name of doctrine. Jesus says the Spirit will lead us into all truth; if you reject the Spirit and reduce Him to a force, will He guide you into truth?

The Bible says the Holy Spirit can be a Witness (Heb. 10:15). Can anything other than an Intelligent Being be a witness? Can a force be a Witness?

The Bible says the Holy Has a mind of His own. (Rom. 8:27) Can a force have a mind?

The Bible says the Spirit knows the things of GOD. (1 Cor. 2:11) Can a force know things?

dolphinheart:
I had an accident on the lagos Ibadan expressway some years ago, I was to be operated on at luth. I refused blood transfusion and the operation was postponed for about a week. Their was another patient beside me who had a similar injury and they operated on him using brood transfusion.
about a month or so after his operation and a few weeks after mine, he developed some complications and died from issues related to the blood he took. I'm still alive today and I did not take blood, therefore taking blood is not a guarantee to survival.
doctors at Luth(when I was in E- usually tell me that they take my case to other federal hospitals to study how to do that particular operation without blood.

Omg!

Is it because you refused to take blood you survived?

Emusan:
If the @bold is true that means Jehovah was talking to Himself when the Bible says "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; [size=14pt]but whatsoever he shall hear,[/size] that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13 KJV

So, if Holy spirit is what God project out from Himself and not a person it means God is talking to Himself since The Spirit can TALK to and HEAR

Definition: The Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek pneuʹma, which are often translated “spirit,” have a number of meanings. All of them refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. The Hebrew and Greek words are used with reference to (1) wind, (2) the active life-force in earthly creatures, (3) the impelling force that issues from a person’s figurative heart and that causes him to say and do things in a certain way, (4) inspired utterances originating with an invisible source, (5) spirit persons, and (6) God’s active force, or holy spirit. Several of these usages are here discussed in relation to topics that may arise in the field ministry.
What is the holy spirit?
A comparison of Bible texts that refer to the holy spirit shows that it is spoken of as ‘filling’ people; they can be ‘baptized’ with it; and they can be “anointed” with it. ( ) None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.
Jesus also referred to the holy spirit as a “helper” (Greek, pa·raʹkle·tos ), and he said that this helper would “teach,” “bear witness,” “speak,” and ‘hear.’ (
) It is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personified. For example, wisdom is said to have “children.” ( ) Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (
) While some texts say that the spirit “spoke,” other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (
; compare with
.) At , not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’ So, none of the expressions found in these texts in themselves prove that the holy spirit is a person.
The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit. With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.—
.
See also pages 406, 407, under the heading “Trinity.”
What gives evidence that a person really has the holy spirit, or “the Holy Ghost” (KJ)?
: “[Jesus read from the scroll of the prophet Isaiah:] ‘Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news’ . . . And he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee. And he was teaching them on the sabbath; and they were astounded at his way of teaching, because his speech was with authority. Now in the synagogue there was a man with a spirit, an unclean demon, and he shouted with a loud voice . . . But Jesus rebuked it, saying: ‘Be silent, and come out of him.’ So, after throwing the man down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him.” (What gave evidence that Jesus had God’s spirit? The account does not say that he trembled or shouted or moved about in a fervor. Rather, it says he spoke with authority. It is noteworthy, however, that on that occasion a demonic spirit did move a man to shout and fall onto the floor.)
says that when Jesus’ followers received holy spirit they would be witnesses about him. According to
, when they did receive that spirit, observers were impressed by the fact that, although the ones speaking were all Galileans, they were speaking about the magnificent things of God in languages that were familiar to the many foreigners who were present. But the record does not say that there were any emotional outbursts on the part of those who received the spirit.
It is noteworthy that when Elizabeth received the holy spirit and then gave voice to “a loud cry” she was not in a
meeting for worship but was greeting a visiting relative. ( ) When, as reported at , holy spirit came upon an assembly of disciples, the place
was shaken, but the effect of that spirit on the disciples was, not that they trembled or rolled about, but that they ‘spoke the word of God with boldness.’ Likewise today, boldness in speaking the word of God, zealously engaging in the work of witnessing—these are what give evidence that a person has holy spirit.
: “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.” (It is this fruitage, rather than outbursts of religious fervor, that one should look for when seeking to find people who truly have God’s spirit.)

You see it? The JWs claim Jesus has no power to save anybody. In other words, He can do no more than a mere man.

dolphinheart:
I believe I just showed you scriptural verses that answered your question!, if jesus had power, who should he still be given power?. when it comes to given life to humans here is what jesus said :
King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

Mrbllymer:
Omg!

Is it because you refused to take blood you survived?

comprehension issues, I told you a true story, them emphasised in bold what I learnt from the experience.
blood transfusion does not guarantee your survival!

DoctorAlien:
You see it? The JWs claim Jesus has no power to save anybody. In other words, He can do no more than a mere man.

stop trying to always look for fault or ways to argue, can you explain the situation rip turds I just quoted to you !

dolphinheart:
your problem is with the ratings of the translation, wunt go their with you. As long as I personally believe that a translation translated a particular [size=14pt]verse the right way,[/size] I'll use it!, as long as the words(correct or not) of a particular translation aids or helps bring out a point that is being discussed, ILl quote it!

@bold-I can't help but laugh

So;
1. How do you know when a particular verse was translated correctly or wrongly?
2. Do you ever believe a particular verse in NWT version was ever translated wrongly?

DoctorAlien:
The demon is not inside the person? These people will not kill me with laugh.

Luke 8:2 says seven demons went out of Mary Magdalene. How can you say a demon cannot be in a person?

read the introductory part..she was cured of WICKED SPIRIT and sicknesses...demons there doesn't refer to physical demons....it refers to wicked spirit force

goodnewscliff:
Definition: The Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek pneuʹma, which are often translated “spirit,” have a number of meanings. All of them refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. The Hebrew and Greek words are used with reference to (1) wind, (2) the active life-force in earthly creatures, (3) the impelling force that issues from a person’s figurative heart and that causes him to say and do things in a certain way, (4) inspired utterances originating with an invisible source, (5) spirit persons, and (6) God’s active force, or holy spirit. Several of these usages are here discussed in relation to topics that may arise in the field ministry.
What is the holy spirit?
A comparison of Bible texts that refer to the holy spirit shows that it is spoken of as ‘filling’ people; they can be ‘baptized’ with it; and they can be “anointed” with it. ( ) None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.
Jesus also referred to the holy spirit as a “helper” (Greek, pa·raʹkle·tos ), and he said that this helper would “teach,” “bear witness,” “speak,” and ‘hear.’ (
) It is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personified. For example, wisdom is said to have “children.” ( ) Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (
) While some texts say that the spirit “spoke,” other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (
; compare with
.) At , not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’ So, none of the expressions found in these texts in themselves prove that the holy spirit is a person.
The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit. With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.—
.
See also pages 406, 407, under the heading “Trinity.”
What gives evidence that a person really has the holy spirit, or “the Holy Ghost” (KJ)?
: “[Jesus read from the scroll of the prophet Isaiah:] ‘Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news’ . . . And he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee. And he was teaching them on the sabbath; and they were astounded at his way of teaching, because his speech was with authority. Now in the synagogue there was a man with a spirit, an unclean demon, and he shouted with a loud voice . . . But Jesus rebuked it, saying: ‘Be silent, and come out of him.’ So, after throwing the man down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him.” (What gave evidence that Jesus had God’s spirit? The account does not say that he trembled or shouted or moved about in a fervor. Rather, it says he spoke with authority. It is noteworthy, however, that on that occasion a demonic spirit did move a man to shout and fall onto the floor.)
says that when Jesus’ followers received holy spirit they would be witnesses about him. According to
, when they did receive that spirit, observers were impressed by the fact that, although the ones speaking were all Galileans, they were speaking about the magnificent things of God in languages that were familiar to the many foreigners who were present. But the record does not say that there were any emotional outbursts on the part of those who received the spirit.
It is noteworthy that when Elizabeth received the holy spirit and then gave voice to “a loud cry” she was not in a
meeting for worship but was greeting a visiting relative. ( ) When, as reported at , holy spirit came upon an assembly of disciples, the place
was shaken, but the effect of that spirit on the disciples was, not that they trembled or rolled about, but that they ‘spoke the word of God with boldness.’ Likewise today, boldness in speaking the word of God, zealously engaging in the work of witnessing—these are what give evidence that a person has holy spirit.
: “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.” (It is this fruitage, rather than outbursts of religious fervor, that one should look for when seeking to find people who truly have God’s spirit.)

All these episodes won't help you.

The Bible says the HOLY SPIRIT CAN BE TALKED TO and HEAR, how can Jehovah be talking to His own energy

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

2 Thess. 2:10-12 begins to make sense when you look at the false doctrines of the JWs, just like this one;

dolphinheart:
I believe I just showed you scriptural verses that answered your question!, if jesus had power, who should he still be given power?. when it comes to given life to humans here is what jesus said :
King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

dolphinheart:
they will get their life back through the resurrection, when those who have obeyed God's law are resurrected!

I am not aJw,butI don't believe in blood transfusion. It is logical to say that abstainance also negates ingestion

goodnewscliff:
read the introductory part..she was cured of WICKED SPIRIT and sicknesses...demons there doesn't refer to physical demons....it refers to wicked spirit force

She was cured of the wicked spirit? The wicked spirit is a disease?

Then why did the Bible say the demons went out of Mary?

Please, which translation says demon means "wicked spirit force"?

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goodnewscliff:
demon possesed doesn't mean d demon is present in the body of the victim...its d power and influence of d demon that was casted out dats y its called unclean spirit!!!! a demon can only possess and influence with it unclean power and influence....

Lol you guys are funny! You people case ha serious
@ bold,so influence was speaking to Jesus?

Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

Emusan:
@bold-I can't help but laugh

So;
1. How do you know when a particular verse was translated correctly or wrongly?

through study

2. Do you ever believe a particular verse in NWT version was ever translated wrongly?

no!

note: the answers to your question are my present personal beliefs.

Emusan:
All these episodes won't help you.

The Bible says the HOLY SPIRIT CAN BE TALKED TO and HEAR, how can Jehovah be talking to His own energy

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

wen the bible says the trees are praising him..how can the trees praise God...how can the heavens declare Gods glory if u take Every things literally in the bible,, u will get confused.....the bible calls the MOON a faithful witness....how is the moon a faithful witness?? na person e be read and reason understand

dolphinheart,

It would do us good if you could actually insert the words "to save" after the words "if Jesus had power" in the quote below, so we can know your stand on this issue.

I believe I just showed you scriptural verses that answered
your question!, if Jesus had power, who should he still be
given power?. when it comes to given life to humans here is
what Jesus said : King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself