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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 9:58am On Sep 30, 2016 |
gaelllic: I mentioned you in a post above so as to deal with this post as well. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 10:10am On Sep 30, 2016 |
mank1234:true though lol .but my aim was to show ''how gravity works''... Be it space or earth...it ''attracts the bodies''... The vacuum and the inertia causes the orbit... Catch my drift? |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 10:12am On Sep 30, 2016 |
mank1234: First of all, i dont think you know me well enough to know what and who i have faith in. Second, Time is relative, doesnt mean its different, I think your understanding of Special Relativity is very elementary. Time runs at the same rate in every frame of reference(@ the speed of causality C, which consequentially is the speed of light), the magic begins to happen when you move at enormous speeds or in a vicinity of enormous gravity, your time seems to slow down relative to an outside observer, in the otherwords, if you were moving at 99.5% the speed of light, one minute would still be one minute for you, but for a stationary observer who is looking at your clock, that one minute would seem like 1year to him/her. Now that in no way answers the problem of infinite time, no matter how time dilates, as long as you have an event that would never end, it is still regarded as Eternity. So your idea of "A thousand year is like a day in God's eye", and your limited understand of special relativity still doesn't shy away from an Eternity in Hell. Like i said in an earlier post, just because you have infinite real numbers between 0 and 1 doesn't mean there are no infinite whole numbers! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 10:14am On Sep 30, 2016 |
mank1234:wrong...thats ''fact'' to those working there...and ''trust'' for us.. Not ''faith'' you dont believe your parents by ''faith''...but by ''trust'' and mind you...individuals have telescopes...also private space companies are plenttiful.. Also quest for world dominance... I see no reasn why ''russia'' etc would participate in a lie...when they have intentions of usurping usa... 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 3:45pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
raphieMontella: The third dimension is height. Time is posited (wrongly) as the fourth. Everything else is similarly wrong. Brief remedial, I hope it helps. Try to grasp this, please. I will teach you the difference between observation, inference and empirical evidence. Observation - One sees something. Inference - One theorises concerning the cause. Empirical evidence - One designs a falsifiable experiment to test, and hopefully, prove the theory. E.g. Observation - light bulb comes on. Inference - perhaps its magic... or perhaps its a tiny sun.. .or perhaps its electricity... Evidence - the flow of electrons can be measured, it can be induced, it can be stored. So we have evidence of the physical phenomenon (electric current), and its medium (copper wire). Observation - plants die in darkness Inference - perhaps they were lonely...perhaps plants need light...or perhaps its magic Evidence - The activity of photosynthesis can be observed in the lab. Along with the medium in which it occurs (chlorophyll). Its rate may be measured, and its dependence on chlorophyll proven. Observation - metal attracts metal Inference - perhaps metal is friendly...perhaps magic again...perhaps there is a force which exists in/around the metal Evidence - this force can be detected, it can be induced in metal, it's direction can be measured (compass) as well as its magnitude (magnetometer). So let's take this from the top. Observation - objects seek horizontal rest. Inference - magic?...invisible companions holding us all down, or perhaps there is a force which exists in/around all objects (gravity). Evidence - ?? raphieMontella: You've taken the observation and called it the evidence. You could have just chosen magic. Now you go find me something that fits in that third row. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 4:24pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd: Alright, man. Look at it another way. Every soul will exist eternally. Death is separation, not cessation. Given this, any finite period of suffering must ultimately pass away. Any finite period of suffering is insignificant with regard to Eternity. Even if it were a million million etc. years, relative to 'infinite time' its worth would be less than that of a second's relative to your mortal life. Thus, any finite suffering, is equivalent to an infinitesimal span of one's eternal existence. It would be like (in mortal terms) condemning a vile murderer to an instant of pain (a quick jab with an empty needle, say). Our eternal existence renders any finite punishment less than a mere slap on the wrist. Besides, suppose the exonerated damned were to rebel again? What then? Endless cycles of finite pain and repentance ad infinitum? So the unjust can then challenge Infinite Majesty without any real fear of real regret? God's Justice must be Eternal and Final. QED. donnffd: Your local chairman probably doesn't notice you. You wouldn't notice a sentient bacterium. But He notices you. And your best act of gratitude is to challenge him. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 4:53pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
gaelllic: So instead of total destruction and be done with it, it is more humane to punish for all of eternity? I thought God was all powerful?, why cant he just destroy the soul and be done with it? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 5:41pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd: Why should He? Them that killed Christ, why did they not just poison Him? Why the grievous torture? Do you know that all sinners are complicit in this torture? Do you know that, for punishment to fit crime, the sufferer must be made truly sorry for what he has done? (Not stubbornly insisting, 'Just wait till I'm out...!' like many career criminals do?) Judgement must, at some stage, be Final. As per 'humane'... Do you know who Jimmy Saville was? Do you think that merely 'undoing his existence' would be adequate punishment for him? Why jail a rapist for decades? Pain, danger, loneliness, idleness, regret for what might have been... Why not just give him a sound beating and 'be done with it'? Evil men think not on judgment: but they that seek after the Lord, take notice of all things Proverbs 28:5 May I ask what kind of life you live? Broadly? There is a level of clarity that will avoid you as long as sin rules in your life. Indeed, it is often secret attachment to such sins that spur this obstinate disbelief, this fervent and fruitless wish that the doer will 'one day get away with it'. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by mank1234(m): 8:44pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd: I don't need to know you to disagree with you on social media if you publicly state your view and show disdain too others view with respect to mattersmnof religion. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by mank1234(m): 9:01pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd: Firstly, I don't need to know you to disagree with you on social media if you publicly state your view and show disdain too others view with respect to mattersmnof religion. Secondly, my statement centered on general relativity and not special relativity. Consequently, I'll disregard your second paragraph for straying off the point I raised. Does our instrument of measuring time, actually show different time at differing distance from the earth's core? Is time a function of gravity. Yes, you alluded to this. Closer to the core it is slower, away from it it is faster. What will be the effect if the gravity was so great as it is in black hole? Will it be at standstill? Are you aware that even light is unable to escape the gravitational pull of the black hole? Yes time is relative. A day on earth is not same as in Pluto. A year on earth is not same as in Pluto. Eternity is culmination of passage of time. If this is so, then eternity on earth cannot be same as eternity on Pluto and cannot be same everywhere else in the universe. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 9:05pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
For the first time raphieMontella I appreciate the way you presented facts and reasons in defence of your position. I hope this can continue and I tell you, you are on the way of becoming a friend. You have some very strong point here to which I may not have adequate answer; but I will try my best. raphieMontella: I read the whole of Rom9:1-33 and I must confess, you have a point. How can Pharaoh know that he was following a script destined for him? Rom9 seems to say that God reserves the right to do with anyone whatever He chooses. Using the illustration of the Potter and the Clay, God is sovereign and thus justified. If this is the case, then the whole episode falls on Gods Responsibility to punish or not to punish a mans action. To this end, no one knows how God will decide/judge the case. However, can anyone say that his misbehaviour on earth was caused by God? No! For God could say "I didn't make you do evil..you chose to do evil by your own volition". In that case, the responsibility falls on man to do his utmost at being righteous. If indeed God designed him for evil and he did evil despite the fact that he strove to do good, then since God is righteous, he might have a case. However, in the case of Judas, there is no evidence that he was destined to betray Jesus raphieMontella: The above is just a case of Foreknowledge and Devine Timing in action. If Jesus was born in Nigeria, one of his friends would have betrayed him. Foreknowledge is different from Predestination! An example: I have a foreknowledge that the sun will be up in the afternoon tomorrow, therefore, I wash my clothes tonight to be dried tomorrow afternoon. This statement is valid even though I have no power to to predestine whether the sun will be up or not. The prophecy of Judas betrayal was just a report of Foreknowledge! raphieMontella: The scripture is: Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Step 1: Foreknowledge Step2: Predestination for those who were Foreknown to conform to the image of Christ. If you where NOT foreknown, you are not predestined! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by mank1234(m): 9:13pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
raphieMontella: True..."facts" for those who have encountered God and "trust" for those who listen to them. That's "faith" Same way the adherents of the respective religions, also have trust in their God! I see no reason also, why US, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia etc would recognise religion to the point of enshrining it in their constitution if they were a lie. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by mank1234(m): 9:14pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
raphieMontella: True..."facts" for those who have encountered God and "trust" for those who listen to them. That's "faith" (Same way the adherents of the respective religions, also have trust in their God!) I see no reason also, why US, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia etc would recognise religion to the point of enshrining it in their constitution if they were a lie. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 10:06pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
gaelllic: First of all, I said it before and would say it again, Noone who commited a crime in a finite amount of time deserves a punishment that would last for eternity. The idea is primitive and barbaric. Secondly, So because i call out the barbaric nature of the punishment of hell automatically means i am a sinner and i want to continue in my sinful ways...lol Well i guess since i stand for gay rights and dignity, i also want to be a gay, and since i am pro-choice, i guess my gf is pregnant and i want to do abortion. I dont need to be a bad person to realize that the punishment for being bad is inhumane and barbaric. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 10:21pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
gaelllic:ye time the fourth... Space is 3d...we live in space-time 4d... evidence i gave you? Gravity has been measured... Laws governing gravity made and constant with calculations artificial gravity has been induced... We have been able to conduct gravity assisted flights... Wetin again? |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Zenlife: 6:57am On Oct 01, 2016 |
gaelllic: And why should they? Do they laugh also laugh at all Americans? Oh well, Probably your ignoramus envious types. FYI your thick accent is chuckled at worldwide. Folks can hardly understand when you 'talk' not speak english. Bomboclauud!!! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 6:58am On Oct 01, 2016 |
mank1234: So stating a view thats different from yours is now disdain for your view and religion...smh, xtians always playing the victims when they are challenged...
Dude, Special relativity is the relative nature of Distance and Time in different reference points, General relativity is talking about Gravity. Please know the difference before coming to talk about it... Then you dont even understand how this time relativity works, what do you mean by time stands still, i just explained to you, from a distant reference point, the person close to a black hole clock would appear to slow down but to the person on the black hole, he wud be killed in a matter of seconds and would experience time the same way we experience time. Look, its obvious you just heard about relativity and want to feel intelligent and coming to blow grammar but sincerely, dont do that with me, i know Special relativity and general relativity like the back of my hand. So i can specifically tell you that what is said about time being different on pluto is "BULLSCRAP". Go and learn about it before coming to argue, and if you still want to argue, i wont answer you... NB: where and when does infinity feels shorter than infinity?, are you listening to yourself?, do you know what infinity is? Even if you are correct(which you are not), Eternity on pluto would still be eternity because it is life without END, jeez, where is your logic? 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 9:00am On Oct 01, 2016 |
shadeyinka:no problem brother aiit..so he does predestinate at times okay... But when you are the creator and all knowing... Why then ''go-ahead'' to still create the person? look at the bolded..dont you think that since god is the creator of all of us(our souls and spirit) he has foreknown us all? Look at jer 1:5.. Look at john the baptist...read from luke 1:11- the end..couple that with the prophecy which said abt his coming in isaiah 40:3... How wasnt he predestined? Ok...lets look at these verses ephesians 1:4-5 and 2 thessalonians 13 take note of the words there ''beginning and foundation of the world...'' |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 9:43am On Oct 01, 2016 |
donnffd: You seem to be saying: Time is the measure of intervals between events. Events take place in Heaven Therefore, time Exists in Heaven! However, the measure of time needs a REFERENCE (usually celestial) and the scriptures speak of the fact that day and night doesn't exist. Time just simply doesn't Exist..events are not defined or marked with respect to time. I assume that in the spiritual space, concurent events, parallel events are the norm. Boredom is a function of time. Imagine if you are to do a favorite activity like skiing or eating vanilla ice cream continuously for several hours, those favorite activities WILL become boring. Therefore, in a space where you live for eternity, it makes sense if events happen without the rule of time. So, relative to earths time, the time in the spiritual space is infinity but it still doesn't mean that time exists there. Finally, how do you think the concept of timelessness can be communicated to men without using the word forever or eternity! donnffd: LOL! I think you have either magnified yourself either to the level of God or you have reduced God to the level of man. Unfortunately for man, many so called human beings pass the selection criteria (exam) of God. Why not you also. You may have a point if ALL men fail Gods exam because of their frailty but that is not so. Do you care how much labour a bee exerts to make honey? It is the end result that justifies whether or not a bacteria, insect, virus and animal are useful to you. Are you useful to God? donnffd: You still keep on saying God send people to hell because of worship! NO! NO! NO! God doesn't send people to hell because of worship. Anyone who is useless to God goes to His refuse bin (hell). Yes, we don't care if bacteria's worship us BUT we care about these Bacteria's doing our biddens. We selectively promote the growth of some (yogurt bacteria's) and destroy others (typhoid bacteria). Now, because we are beings of intelligence and consciousness we worship Him who gave us all we have. Is it a crime if I stamp out all bacteria's responsible for cholera in the world? Should I care if these cholera bacteria suffer for eternity? donnffd: The Bible say: can the clay accuse the potter of anything? The potter can choose to destroy a masterpiece and remold it into something else. A porter has the right to discard some clay material he considers as not useful to his cause. How does that make the Porter a Tyrant? donnffd: I couldn't help but chuckle on reading this. You seem to be giving a rational for the concept of hell that has its root in kings::subject relation. Why not the reverse as in before the concept of hell, humans must have understood that "the gods" punish men for committing sacrileges and abominations? It is simple to understand based on these theistic "premise": 1. Man exists after death 2. If God exists and is a Just God then He must Reward Righteousness and Punish Evil The two bases above are the foundation of every form of theism and judgement is a logical conclusion. donnffd: God is the God (Creator of ALL) God is the Father of whomever He Adopts as a Child |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by mank1234(m): 10:55am On Oct 01, 2016 |
So stating that one has faith in aspects of science one cannot proof is wrong? If that's wrong then your statement on xtian paying victim is also wrong. It's stated on same premise. Dude you are very wrong there. General relativity deals with time, gravity and relative distance while special relativity introduces relative velocity. Ordinarily, i would have just ignored you on this but for the benefit of others who would come to read this thread; for you're not different from the rest. Leaving the question to attack the person. That's very elementary. You've not answered the questions raised. Do we get different result when we measure time at different distance from the core of the earth? Infinity is infinity because the the unit of measure, number, is constant; one is one. Eternity is different at different locations because the unit of measurement, time is not constant. (On religion) Leave religious matter to religion. You can't proof or disproof eternal punishment, nor can you proof the existence or non-existence of God. You can only disagree on what is written in some of the religious books base purely on your limited understanding. The complexity of life and the universe suggests that there's God - it's evident in nature not by proof. (On science) For now, there's a limit to what our instruments can measure. Not all frequencies can be measured now, not all light wavelength is measurable... the list goes on and on. That's why science can't give us answer to everything, at least for now. Bye donnffd: |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 7:37pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
donnffd: You. A mere bag of blood and saliva, sandwiched between two halves of Eternity, who does not know from whence he came nor where he goes, presume to arrogate to yourself the power to dictate what is Good and what is Evil? You are not well. donnffd: Yes. It precisely and automatically does. donnffd: A lover of sodomy and the murder of babes. See. See the slimy thoughts that slither about in the dank cavern this creature calls its mind. donnffd: You do. And you are. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 7:48pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Really? By whom? On what date? In which country? Tell us, so we may celebrate this great man. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 10:36pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
gaelllic: k |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 11:50pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
raphieMontella: The focus of Rom8:28-29 is about Eternal Life. To whom God foreknew, He predestined to conform to the nature of His son. It is a followup of the scripture talking about the Lamb of God, slain from the Foundation of the world. It shows that God from the eternal past know those who will Love Him unconditionally by their will and so "looks at them as Sons" even though they are not yet free from the body of sin. ..to those who believe on His name, He gave the power to become Sons of God. Answering your question, God does not tempt with evil...and God reserves the right as the Potter to mold His clay into any form He wants. raphieMontella: So that His overall objective will come to pass. Its the same question as "why should God tempt Adam and Eve with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" when God knows that they will fall? The result will be a separation between those who choose to Love and Trust Him unconditionally and OTHERS! . Your question is like: Why does a teacher set exam questions when he knows that some students will fail? Why shouldn't he just give all the students the marking guide? raphieMontella: The foreknown in Rom8:28-29 is about salvation (A function of Love and Trust). God is Omniscient so He knows everything and Everyone past, present and future. The key phase is predestined to conform to the image of Christ. If God foreknew that the conclusion of your live will be a life of Hatered and Distrust of Him, then you are NOT viewed as His Son. I have explained before, Gods foreknowledge is NOT the same thing as predestination. Finally, don't you see that Atheists are passionate about Evangelism? For what purpose? Could it be that they are running a script from Satan? Why the deep hatred against the One who says "Love the Lord your God and Love your neighbor as yourself"? What is wrong with this "philosophy"? It is a futile effort to scientifically disprove God and you know it. Do you know why Atheists are so passionate about Christianity (religion). It is called " the crowd Effect"! It is more painful to take a punishment in isolation than as a group because you have several reference to the fact that your punishment isn't the greatest! What is the Goal of Atheism? That every one in the world be "weaned from God"? For what purpose? You read and study about Atheism because you want to convince yourself against your conscience that you are on track. You come to Nairaland to test your logic against the theists 'cause it calms you down when you think you have a Superior logical answer to a theist. It is still not too late to come back to Him if you were ever Born Again. He still Loves you all the same but He is also a God of Justice. Whatever a man sows, that he shall reap...good or evil..life or death...choose life that you may live. I am convinced that your conscience still speaks to you. Shalom! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 6:09am On Oct 02, 2016 |
gaelllic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity find in page ----rats/requirements for gravity and space missions |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 10:37am On Oct 02, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Your link: Artificial gravity is an acceleration resulting from the application of a force. In the context of manned spaceflight, artificial gravity may alleviate the adverse health effects of prolonged weightlessness.[1] Astronauts routinely experience intermittent accelerations caused by the force of a rocket engine. However, the term artificial gravity usually refers to a sustained Normal force provided by a rigid structure in uniform circular motion. Apparently it is you who lost interest in physics early on. Remedial, semester 2. Briefly. As per the highlighted, the article refers to a simulation of 'gravitational effect' by accelerating an object. This would be similar to describing the force pinning a piece of paper to a moving car windshield as 'induced gravity'. Clearly false. The 'effect' is being simulated. The force itself is not produced. Your link : Gravity can be simulated in various ways: Rotation A rotating spacecraft will produce the feeling of inertia on its inside hull. The rotation drives any object inside the spacecraft toward the hull, thereby giving the appearance of a gravitational pull directed outward. . Thus, the "gravity" felt by the objects is simply the reaction force of the object on the hull reacting to the centripetal force of the hull on the object, in accordance with Newton's Third Law. Please note that the quote marks above are not mine. The effects of electricity are not 'simulated'. (e.g. lighting a tiny match in the light bulb). Actual electricity is actually (i.e truly) produced by artificial means. Ditto for magnetism, or nuclear energy. True artificial gravity would be draw people towards the centre of the craft, rather than pushing them outwards (centrifugal force). Your link : However, the term artificial gravity usually refers to a sustained Normal force provided by a rigid structure in uniform circular motion The rotation drives any object inside the spacecraft toward the hull, thereby giving the appearance of a gravitational pull directed outward. Often referred to as a centrifugal force, the "pull" is actually a manifestation of the inertia of the objects inside the spacecraft No one has ever, or will ever, produce 'gravity'. QED. Addendum : Do not merely regurgitate textbooks in order to pass exams, or for a pat on the head. Face physical facts. And challenge received knowledge if it is false. Or are you among them who are only rebels when it is time to challenge God? Do you find yourself docile when it is time to challenge (errant) man? |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 2:50pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
shadeyinka:why the ad hominems bruh? Bottomline.. Christianity cannot exist without predestination...
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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 3:10pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
gaelllic:why are you creating an argumentum ad lapidem?? I clearly showed you where to go to and you're creating a strawman and inducing an argumentum ad nauseam. Ask me to prove that the speed of light is 3(10^ by my own measurments space tools etc also ask me to prove that stars are not light bulbs in the sky... Crap. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 3:27pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Sorry, bro: I can't help but Preach whenever I am led to do so. Its because you are significant part of Gods love. Of course, Predestination (in the sense of salvation) through Foreknowledge is one of the cardinal foundations of sonship of God! Because of Gods foreknowledge we were Predestined to be Sons. Since the Predestination to be Sons of God is as a result of Foreknowledge, your present choices determine if you are Predestined (in this sense) or not. The point is: Is it right to award a Nobel Price for Law n Literature to raphieMontella for the certainty that he will Solve the greatest paradox in legal history in the next 30 years? Even if it was true, for it to make sense, we must wait for the next 30years when raphieMontella will actually solve this legal problem. Then raphieMontella can truly rejoice in his achievement and losers will keep their mouths shut. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 1:40pm On Oct 04, 2016 |
raphieMontella: You know, this reply, along with the argument it purports to refute, should be moved to front page. The unwary need fair warning on what passes for rational debate around these parts. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by joe4christ(m): 2:31pm On Oct 04, 2016 |
shadeyinka: The depth of your shallowness is legendary. You omitted the fact that your God is believed to be omni knowest, he knows the end even before it begins. So, that makes him responsible for whatever evil we see in the world today. He knew it would come to this, he had the power to have done something different to have brought about a better result and save humanity from eternal damnation. But he chose to proceed with his plan, cos it's obviously what he wanted. Why then do you play blind to the fact that nothing ever happens without him being the ultimately designer of it, he first designed the system for the cause and effect to even take place. I'm just playing to your gallery to further buttress my point, else all these are just fairy tales for kids and weak minded. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 4:55pm On Oct 04, 2016 |
joe4christ: Omni-knowest is not the same as Omni-causeth Freewill implying minimal interference of God in the affairs of man. Your parent at a point do not decide how you make your room in their house! |
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