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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 6:26pm On Nov 04, 2016
Spy360:

From your point of view, Blanc too was exceptional. Enrique that was a flop at Roma and Celta Vigo is exceptional. Nonsense.

Any average manager can win titles with Barca and Bayern. That is not exceptional.

If an exceptional coach is in Barca or Bayern he should not just win the titles, he should also do it unbeaten. That is because already, he has the best squad by a mile.

If Barca beat Celta 5-0, that is no news. If Celta beat Barca 1-0, that is news. An exceptional coach should never lose a game if he is coach of Barca. sad


FYI when Enrique was still Celta Vigo's coach, the club clinched to their highest position ever in La liga (7th position) before their present coach took them higher.. Now lemme ask u a question. If anybody can coach Barca and win titles, why did Martino go trophy less in 2014 when he had players like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Dani Alves, Busquets, Pique, Mascherano, Jordi Alba and your god Alexis Sanchez in his first eleven?
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by MrDojo(m): 7:44pm On Nov 04, 2016
TRendlona:



FYI when Enrique was still Celta Vigo's coach, the club clinched to their highest position ever in La liga (7th position) before their present coach took them higher.. Now lemme ask u a question. If anybody can coach Barca and win titles, why did Martino go trophy less in 2014 when he had players like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Dani Alves, Busquets, Pique, Mascherano, Jordi Alba and your god Alexis Sanchez in his first eleven?

Tata was just unlucky in 2013/2014, that was the year messi was seriously off form ( hence barca off )...he lost the league on goal difference or by one point I can't remember..it was also the year of A.madrid, just like what happened in the EPL last season.. The last five barca manager's won la liga except tata..(Inc enrique)

99% of managers Coaching clubs like PSG, juve, barca, bayern will win the league Easy!!! Anybody that thinks other wise is just fooling himself...

Pep is a good coach but b4 this season he never went on a 6 game no win streak, when may comes let's see how good he'll go in the EPL, top of the league in 10 games is useless in a "38 matches" season.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:37pm On Nov 04, 2016
TRendlona:



FYI when Enrique was still Celta Vigo's coach, the club clinched to their highest position ever in La liga (7th position) before their present coach took them higher.. Now lemme ask u a question. If anybody can coach Barca and win titles, why did Martino go trophy less in 2014 when he had players like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Dani Alves, Busquets, Pique, Mascherano, Jordi Alba and your god Alexis Sanchez in his first eleven?
Martino was less than average. He picked quarrels with Messi and co which led to his downfall. Yet he finished second. That's how bad it can get.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:02pm On Nov 04, 2016
iPopAlomo:



I agree with this logic 100%... Wenger beat Heyneckes's Bayern(not sure i spelt his name correctly) and Pep's Barca with Djourou playing 5...
Exactly.

I respect coaches like Pochentino, Koeman etc that make their clubs relevant even when they operate on very low budgets compared to the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea.

If Poch or Koeman wins the league, they are exceptional. If Pep wins the league with City's squad how does that make him better?

If Pep is exceptional, the yardstick is clear- win the treble.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:09pm On Nov 04, 2016
Spy360:

Martino was less than average. He picked quarrels with Messi and co which led to his downfall. Yet he finished second. That's how bad it can get.



Oh! You've now shifted to finishing second after you first told us that any coach that coaches barca would win trophies..
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:13pm On Nov 04, 2016
MrDojo:


Tata was just unlucky in 2013/2014, that was the year messi was seriously off form ( hence barca off )...he lost the league on goal difference or by one point I can't remember..it was also the year of A.madrid, just like what happened in the EPL last season.. The last five barca manager's won la liga except tata..(Inc enrique)

99% of managers Coaching clubs like PSG, juve, barca, bayern will win the league Easy!!! Anybody that thinks other wise is just fooling himself...

Pep is a good coach but b4 this season he never went on a 6 game no win streak, when may comes let's see how good he'll go in the EPL, top of the league in 10 games is useless in a "38 matches" season.
Just fo emphasis...

Is Pep really top of the league? There are 2 teams with him there. And he hasn't played any of them yet. Infact the two big games he played was a lucky derby win over stuttering United, and an embarassing loss against Tottenham.

Liverpool and Arsenal dey wait am. If he can beat them, fine.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:22pm On Nov 04, 2016
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:25pm On Nov 04, 2016
MrDojo:


Tata was just unlucky in 2013/2014, that was the year messi was seriously off form ( hence barca off )...he lost the league on goal difference or by one point I can't remember..it was also the year of A.madrid, just like what happened in the EPL last season.. The last five barca manager's won la liga except tata..(Inc enrique)



99% of managers Coaching clubs like PSG, juve, barca, bayern will win the league Easy!!! Anybody that thinks other wise is just fooling himself...

Pep is a good coach but b4 this season he never went on a 6 game no win streak, when may comes let's see how good he'll go in the EPL, top of the league in 10 games is useless in a "38 matches" season.



Tata was unlucky, I hope you know this is the same ATM Barca massacred five consecutive times in Enrique's first season.?. He even beat ATM to win the league title.


Pep went 5 matches without a win in his first season at Barca (league alone). Pep brought out the full blown Messi, He also brought the "false 9" tactic to limelight. He brought the Xavi-Iniesta-Messi combo of which it's still on even till this present day (although Xavi has gone sha). Sixteen trophies in four years for Barca after Barca went trophy less for two years.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:30pm On Nov 04, 2016
TRendlona:




Oh! You've now shifted to finishing second after you first told us that any coach that coaches barca would win trophies..
That shows how poor Tata was. I said any average coach can win with Barca. Tata finished second on head to head with Atletico.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:34pm On Nov 04, 2016
Spy360:

Just fo emphasis...

Is Pep really top of the league? There are 2 teams with him there. And he hasn't played any of them yet. Infact the two big games he played was a lucky derby win over stuttering United, and an embarassing loss against Tottenham.

Liverpool and Arsenal dey wait am. If he can beat them, fine.



If he'll handle the both matches the way he handled City's game vs Barca, I see City trashing the both teams 4-0 or even higher..

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:36pm On Nov 04, 2016
Spy360:

That shows how poor Tata was. I said any average coach can win with Barca. Tata finished second on head to head with Atletico.


This same Tata led Argentina to the Copa America final and lost the game through penalty shootout. And he's average to you
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:51pm On Nov 04, 2016
Ladies and gentlemen Harry Kane is back.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iPopAlomo(m): 10:05pm On Nov 04, 2016
barackohandso:
This Spy360 is a real clown. Guess this is what a lack of the UCL title and many years of trophylessness does to fans of a club. Where is it written that you don't have to lose a league game to be considered exceptional as a manager? Winning is winning, so Ranieri's league triumph with Leicester city last season isn't any different from Wenger's 2004 triumph, there's no special medal given for going unbeaten. Your Wenger that can't even make the semi final of the UCL more than twice in his career is who you're comparing to Guardiola?
Talking about coaching Barcelona, you can only coach what's in front of you (with the players you have at your disposal), it takes only a genius manager to turn a promising young talent like Messi into a world beater by moving him to the middle from the flanks, turn Sergio Busquets into one of the greatest DM of this generation (even dispatched an already established Yaya Toure). He did all this with little or no managerial experience.


Sergio Biscuits... greatest defensive midfielder of this generation... see as I burst laugh... the same biscuits that played on Tuesday.... that same biscuits...?!!! jokers
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Igboid: 10:34pm On Nov 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Ladies and gentlemen Harry Kane is back.

Yea! But so will be Walcott,,Bellerin, and luckily Carzola. cool
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Igboid: 10:35pm On Nov 04, 2016
TRendlona:




If he'll handle the both matches the way he handled City's game vs Barca, I see City trashing the both teams 4-0 or even higher..

Lol!
Dream on! Pep will be lucky if he gets 1 point from those two matches.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:37pm On Nov 04, 2016
Igboid:


Yea! But so will be Walcott,,Bellerin, and luckily Carzola. cool
I really hope so!!!!!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by barackohandso(m): 10:49pm On Nov 04, 2016
iPopAlomo:



Sergio Biscuits... greatest defensive midfielder of this generation... see as I burst laugh... the same biscuits that played on Tuesday.... that same biscuits...?!!! jokers

Yes he is arguably the greatest defensive midfielder of this generation. His records speaks for him, and a few bad games or temporary form loss doesn't change the fact

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by raumdeuter: 11:57pm On Nov 04, 2016
Spy360:

Exactly.

I respect coaches like Pochentino, Koeman etc that make their clubs relevant even when they operate on very low budgets compared to the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea.

If Poch or Koeman wins the league, they are exceptional. If Pep wins the league with City's squad how does that make him better?

If Pep is exceptional, the yardstick is clear- win the treble.

Did Wenger win the treble to make him exceptional?

How many treble did Man utd win during Ferguson to make him exeptional

How many treble did Mouriho win in 2004

Yet Pep not only won a treble, he won the sextuple

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by raumdeuter: 12:00am On Nov 05, 2016
iPopAlomo:



Sergio Biscuits... greatest defensive midfielder of this generation... see as I burst laugh... the same biscuits that played on Tuesday.... that same biscuits...?!!! jokers

Tell us DM in his generation better than him

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by raumdeuter: 12:00am On Nov 05, 2016
Spy360:

Just fo emphasis...

Is Pep really top of the league? There are 2 teams with him there. And he hasn't played any of them yet. Infact the two big games he played was a lucky derby win over stuttering United, and an embarassing loss against Tottenham.

Liverpool and Arsenal dey wait am. If he can beat them, fine.

Does he need to beat Liverpool and Arsenal to win the league?

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iPopAlomo(m): 4:25am On Nov 05, 2016
raumdeuter:


Tell us DM in his generation better than him


Are you using trophies to rate him or proper defensive midfielder attributes like marking, tackling...?!!! etc etc...
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by raumdeuter: 4:48am On Nov 05, 2016
iPopAlomo:

Are you using trophies to rate him or proper defensive midfielder attributes like marking, tackling...?!!! etc etc...

Protecting his defence and releasing the ball to his Attacking Midfielders. tell us any DM in his generation who has consistently outperformed Busquets


Busquets has been a DM since 2008 Tell us one DM since then
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:58am On Nov 05, 2016
raumdeuter:


Does he need to beat Liverpool and Arsenal to win the league?
You keep twisting and turning issues trying to deviate from your initial points when you have been found out.

You said Pep was top of the league, I showed you Arsenal and Liverpool.

Mind you, Pep spent £153m on players this summer, compare that with Arsene- £96m and Klopp- £67m.

Yet Pep is exceptional. Trash!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 5:02am On Nov 05, 2016
TRendlona:



This same Tata led Argentina to the Copa America final and lost the game through penalty shootout. And he's average to you
Lol. This argument is lame. Very ridiculous.

Never ever compare club football with national team. It's worse than comparing Mitchel Obama with Patience.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 5:04am On Nov 05, 2016
TRendlona:




If he'll handle the both matches the way he handled City's game vs Barca, I see City trashing the both teams 4-0 or even higher..
Lol.

Bookmarked.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by raumdeuter: 5:13am On Nov 05, 2016
Spy360:

You keep twisting and turning issues trying to deviate from your initial points when you have been found out.

You said Pep was top of the league, I showed you Arsenal and Liverpool.

Mind you, Pep spent £153m on players this summer, compare that with Arsene- £96m and Klopp- £67m.

Yet Pep is exceptional. Trash!

Show me any table as at this moment today 5:13AM Nigerian time where Arsenal or Liverpool is top of the league. Will you?
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 5:47am On Nov 05, 2016
raumdeuter:


Show me any table as at this moment today 5:13AM Nigerian time where Arsenal or Liverpool is top of the league. Will you?
I hope you are joking. They all have 23points.

You make me sound as if Pep is not a good coach. He is. But as far as I am concerned he hasn't shown why he is better than Klopp.

Already he has spent more than twice what Klopp spent on players, yet they are rubbing shoulders in the league.

With the same financial resources, maybe Klopp would be way up.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iPopAlomo(m): 7:04am On Nov 05, 2016
raumdeuter:


Protecting his defence and releasing the ball to his Attacking Midfielders. tell us any DM in his generation who has consistently outperformed Busquets


Busquets has been a DM since 2008 Tell us one DM since then


Stat wise...
Proper Defensive midfielders are in no particular order...

1. Xavi Alonso
2. Nigel De Jong
3. Arturo Vidal
4. Thiago Motta

Only reason Sergio Biscuits is rated is because his hold up play is really good... and he perfected it through play acting... Xavi and Iniesta are the main guys in Barca's engine room... Xavi is gone and Iniesta is left... watch them lose their next four matches...

Biscuits... best defensive midfielder of his generation... buhahahaha...


Biscuits can't lace Thiago Motta's boots... if you're looking for a DM with plenty trophy... biscuits definitely... but stats... biscuits... best DM of his generation... Wetin you puff nah...
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by pamcode(m): 7:34am On Nov 05, 2016
Spy360:

Lol. This argument is lame. Very ridiculous.

Never ever compare club football with national team. It's worse than comparing Mitchel Obama with Patience.
Pray tell me what is bad in comparing Mitchel Obama to Patience except for the English sha.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 9:09am On Nov 05, 2016
raumdeuter:


Protecting his defence and releasing the ball to his Attacking Midfielders. tell us any DM in his generation who has consistently outperformed Busquets


Busquets has been a DM since 2008 Tell us one DM since then
imo Alex song did more Dan him
Just dat afc can't transform all his abilities to trophies
Cos he's African makes him underrated
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 9:12am On Nov 05, 2016
iPopAlomo:



Stat wise...
Proper Defensive midfielders are in no particular order...

1. Xavi Alonso
2. Nigel De Jong
3. Arturo Vidal
4. Thiago Motta

Only reason Sergio Biscuits is rated is because his hold up play is really good... and he perfected it through play acting... Xavi and Iniesta are the main guys in Barca's engine room... Xavi is gone and Iniesta is left... watch them lose their next four matches...

Biscuits... best defensive midfielder of his generation... buhahahaha...


Biscuits can't lace Thiago Motta's boots... if you're looking for a DM with plenty trophy... biscuits definitely... but stats... biscuits... best DM of his generation... Wetin you puff nah...
thiago motta I agree
Vidal ND Alonso box to box
De jong shocked shocked I don't see dat dude as a footballer
More of hire killer grin grin

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:22am On Nov 05, 2016
Spy360:

Lol.

Bookmarked.


IF!!, it's a condition. I don't see Arsenal beating the City that played against Barca. The City that played against Barca was a very different one.. I hope they continue..

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