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lionel4power:
With our current military posture no wonder Nigeria ia championing 'peaceful coexitence' with our 'African brothers'...

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because any F.u.ck ups and we'll get roasted by le france. :x


meanwhile >> REINCARNATION: How the Biafran
Baby returns to fight for Nigeria.

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www.combatheart.com/2016/11/biafran-baby-returns.html?m=1

that region should be nigeria domain just as southern african is south africa domain,it seems nigeria presence is lacking even with its economic might

africaken254:
that region should be nigeria domain just as southern african is south africa domain,it seems nigeria presence is lacking even with its economic might

personally I believe economic might should be backed up with military prowess to achieve optimal effect.

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having the mightiest economy in the world without exacting your military might is a total waste of time. lesser countries will still look down on you.

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did you look at the disposition of french forces in the region? if Nigeria sneeze, france is poised to lash out. They shouldnt even be in the region in the first place. What are they looking for.

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Anyway I blame Nigeria... I wonder when we'll get our act right??

africaken254:
that region should be nigeria domain just as southern african is south africa domain,it seems nigeria presence is lacking even with its economic might

What are you talking?

Henry240:
What are you talking?

He asked a valid question.. . Did you look at the infographic posted earlier?

Mate we must not be at war before equipping our arm forces,we should be a global economic and military power if only our miserable and corrupt government have any sense of self pride....Nigeria should be playing her roles in making Africa a safe haven for Africans.... We have the means and capacity.... Mate Nigeria should step up and wake up...and start leading

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lionel4power:
He asked a valid question..
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Did you look at the infographic posted earlier?

French colonies, isn't that basic enough?

Henry240:
French colonies, isn't that basic enough?

You don't see British forces in Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia. No Portuguese forces in Mozambique and Angola....And certainly no South African forces in Namibia.

The Fact is they are not French colonies anymore, so what are the French still there for??

jl115:
You don't see British forces in Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia. No Portuguese forces in Mozambique and Angola....And certainly no South African forces in Namibia.

The Fact is they are not French colonies anymore, so what are the French still there for??

Perhaps if you take out time to read, the agreements France had with thier colonies pre-independence, you won't be asking this question.

While you're at it, read up on their currency and the post-independence relationship.


British and French colonial governments do not run the same way.


You lot should take out time to read up on things you're ignorant about before making bold claims on the internet.


Thanks.

Henry240:
Perhaps if you take out time to read, the agreements France had with thier colonies pre-independence, you won't be asking this question.

While you're at it, read up on their currency and the post-independence relationship.


British and French colonial governments do not run the same way.


You lot should take out time to read up on things you're ignorant about before making bold claims on the internet.


Thanks.

What bargaining power did those colonies have in that negotiation And u think France will allow u to develop to a stage u can say u are not going to pay colonial tax. It simple, wtf*** is the meaning of independence for u guys. If the resources is not being used to benefit the locals and Africans, Nigeria and other African countries should start thinking about regime change for the leaders who do not corporate. France has been using this tactics for decades it about time we rewrote the rules.

Oldies algerian army

T 34 Tank model T-34/85

https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/11/88/40/23/clipbo24.jpg

T 55 Tank

https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/11/88/40/23/clipbo23.jpg

oldies algerian army military parade 1965


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x0IB1jljg

SA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BF4-h_0vus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qyoy_Uev8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY8EG_nmnHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgL1mKjaZMk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9lmdHWdI7M

Let learn from each other


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEsEbTf0Fk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHgmNxWIBI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGDBczV_Tg

Obostone:
What bargaining power did those colonies have in that negotiation And u think France will allow u to develop to a stage u can say u are not going to pay colonial tax. It simple, wtf*** is the meaning of independence for u guys. If the resources is not being used to benefit the locals and Africans, Nigeria and other African countries should start thinking about regime change for the leaders who do not corporate. France has been using this tactics for decades it about time we rewrote the rules.

it amazes me how little most of you understand of what going around the world.what colonia tax does qatar,UAE,South korea,japan e.t.c to have american force stationed in their countries !.have those countries being hindered in the progress militarily or economically ,in your opinion what astonishing progress have those who are independent achieve when it comes to securing their people.south africa recently left CAR citizens to be butchered

So with all these Franco-military proxy states surrounding us from the north, east, south and west, we still toy around with old Vickers, alpha jets and F7s, and a navy with very limited offensive capability?
And a psychopathic former president for unknown reasons gave away Bakassi peninsula, completely exposing our Eastern naval command and whatever foothold the army and navy could have towards south-western Cameroon. Some leaders we have in Nigeria. God help us.

chkil:
they have defense agreement with them and many bases and force in the region, bases in tchad (since 1986) niger, mali, djibouti sénégal gabon central africa ,burkina, ivory cost

[img]http://static.rfi.fr/620strategies_forces_militaires_francaises_afrique/images/carte2-forces-afrique-620.png[/img]

sudan

africaken254:
it amazes me how little most of you understand of what going around the world.what colonia tax does qatar,UAE,South korea,japan e.t.c to have american force stationed in their countries !.have those countries being hindered in the progress militarily or economically ,in your opinion what astonishing progress have those who are independent achieve when it comes to securing their people.south africa recently left CAR citizens to be butchered

It wasn't the responsibility of South Africa to protect CAR citizens. The only agreement there was only included training CAR government troops under Buzize. Those troops runaway from Seleka, others joined them and our mission was over.

Whatever happens to them is not our politics.

jl115:
You don't see British forces in Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia. No Portuguese forces in Mozambique and Angola....And certainly no South African forces in Namibia.

The Fact is they are not French colonies anymore, so what are the French still there for??

fighting ,tracking and killing cut throat jihadist not rebels

ActivateKruger:
It wasn't the responsibility of South Africa to protect CAR citizens. The only agreement there was only included training CAR government troops under Buzize. Those troops runaway from Seleka, others joined them and our mission was over.

Whatever happens to them is not our politics.

i recently watched a south africa documentary ,in which one of those recent enrich black south africans(a business lady).who was in the diamond business(which she had recently started),was talking about going to central africa republic to bring more diamonds and here your trying to convince me,it was just a training mission !?

Henry240:
Perhaps if you take out time to read, the agreements France had with thier colonies pre-independence, you won't be asking this question.

While you're at it, read up on their currency and the post-independence relationship.


British and French colonial governments do not run the same way.


You lot should take out time to read up on things you're ignorant about before making bold claims on the internet.


Thanks.

The reason why France still has a saying in these countries is because of the corrupt leaders in those countries who keep their wealth in France.... Whatever deal they would have signed is useless if those guys would decide to have a backbone.. Anyway, all those countries have no backbones.

Deway75:
So with all these Franco-military proxy states surrounding us from the north, east, south and west, we still toy around with old Vickers, alpha jets and F7s, and a navy with very limited offensive capability?
And a psychopathic former president for unknown reasons gave away Bakassi peninsula, completely exposing our Eastern naval command and whatever foothold the army and navy could have towards south-western Cameroon. Some leaders we have in Nigeria. God help us.

well nigeria is a big country with huge population , if france move it will be with NATO and there is no chance in case of war to see a ground war or large invasion , it will be only air strikes , naval blocus and cruise missile strike maybe some SF quick operation or creat a new moderate insurgent and help them .

and what surprises me the most for a big country like Nigeria is the lack of an effective air defense system no deterrence at all , rafale can strike what they want and return home easly , so nigerian army should focus in long medium short air defense systems and cost defense systems from russia or china . ( S300 , Buk,Tor, pantsir ect ...)

africaken254:
i recently watched a south africa documentary ,in which one of those recent enrich black south africans(a business lady).who was in the diamond business(which she had recently started),was talking about going to central africa republic to bring more diamonds and here your trying to convince me,it was just a training mission !?

We're talking about protecting CAR citizens, right? We don't have that mandate nor do we have the responsibility.... France is there right, they should go beg.

ActivateKruger:
We're talking about protecting CAR citizens, right? We don't have that mandate nor do we have the responsibility.... France is there right, they should go beg.

i dont care if you were in CAR because of diamonds or oil but doing things 50/50 is what pisses me.Friends Stick With You Through Thick and Thin! not when circumstances suit them. museveni has remain close to kiir to this day,then you wonder why we would rather maintain close relationship with our colonial masters than other african countries. africans are worst people to rely on when in need

You got that right Chkil.

chkil:
well nigeria is a big country with huge population , if france move it will be with NATO and there is no chance in case of war to see a ground war or large invasion , it will be only air strikes , naval blocus and cruise missile strike maybe some SF quick operation or creat a new moderate insurgent and help them .

and what surprises me the most for a big country like Nigeria is the lack of an effective air defense system no deterrence at all , rafale can strike what they want and return home easly , so nigerian army should focus in long medium short air defense systems and cost defense systems from russia or china . ( S300 , Buk,Tor, pantsir ect ...)

GH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWANq3ApnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJrljhS_oG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_LBLJG89E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZtbXpE-so

africaken254:
i dont care if you were in CAR because of diamonds or oil but doing things 50/50 is what pisses me.Friends Stick With You Through Thick and Thin! not when circumstances suit them. museveni has remain close to kiir to this day,then you wonder why we would rather maintain close relationship with our colonial masters than other african countries. africans are worst people to rely on when in need

Check, South Africa wanted to retaliate but regional leaders thought it was gonna be a bad idea because it would have ended up pulling in other countries into the fight or cause Seleka to flee to their countries.... So no war, everyone is happy.

africaken254:
it amazes me how little most of you understand of what going around the world.what colonia tax does qatar,UAE,South korea,japan e.t.c to have american force stationed in their countries !.have those countries being hindered in the progress militarily or economically ,in your opinion what astonishing progress have those who are independent achieve when it comes to securing their people.south africa recently left CAR citizens to be butchered

Ghana does not pay tax to Briton and stop that low self esteem, it could enslave u mentally.

ActivateKruger:
The reason why France still has a saying in these countries is because of the corrupt leaders in those countries who keep their wealth in France.... Whatever deal they would have signed is useless if those guys would decide to have a backbone.. Anyway, all those countries have no backbones.

Regime change. All regimes on the continent must make deals to benefit the continent. If not other African countries should band together for regime change. We tried the carrot we got some mix result, it time for the stick.

chkil:
well nigeria is a big country with huge population , if france move it will be with NATO and there is no chance in case of war to see a ground war or large invasion , it will be only air strikes , naval blocus and cruise missile strike maybe some SF quick operation or creat a new moderate insurgent and help them .

and what surprises me the most for a big country like Nigeria is the lack of an effective air defense system no deterrence at all , rafale can strike what they want and return home easly , so nigerian army should focus in long medium short air defense systems and cost defense systems from russia or china . ( S300 , Buk,Tor, pantsir ect ...)

rather than infatuate about fighting france,they should see how they can stop Senegalese jihadist from enter nigeria to fight jihad with boko haram. already Senegalese jihadist who were fighting along side boko haram in nigeria ,have gone back to Senegal to organise a similar ISIS group in Senegal

Boko Haram in Senegal: Expanding West Africa Province

During the past six years, Boko Haram has been principally operational in Nigeria and, to a lesser extent, in neighboring Niger, Chad and Cameroon. Now, beyond Nigeria and its border regions, Senegal has unexpectedly become a country where the group is attempting to expand its regional influence both ideologically and operationally.

In Nigeria, Abubakar Shekau, as the head of Jamatu Ahlis Sunna Lidawatti wal Jihad (JAS), announced his jihad against Nigeria and the United States in 2010. Later, in 2015, he pledged allegiance to Islamic State (IS), rebranding as IS’ West Africa Province, although the media still tends to refer to both entities as Boko Haram. Since IS dropped Shekau from the leadership position of West Africa Province in favor of Abu Musab al-Barnawi in August 2016, West Africa Province has mostly focused on the border areas between Nigeria and its neighboring countries. Shekau, who has since August 2016 reverted to his original position as leader of JAS, is largely focused on the interior parts of northeastern Nigeria’s Borno State.

While many Senegalese jihadists profess admiration for Shekau, it is unclear if he is really behind Boko Haram’s Senegal “project.” The movement instead appears to be mostly a Senegal-born initiative driven by Senegalese imams who have adopted a Boko Haram salafi-jihadi ideology in opposition to their forefathers’ sufi heritage. Moreover, factional leaders close to Abu Musab al-Barnawi seem more likely to be involved in the project, given their experience and regional contacts.

Nonetheless, such a project is of value to IS and could be emblematic of the way IS and an “independent” JAS under Shekau can still cooperate on certain matters, despite the very public differences between them.

The Senegal ‘Project’

The most prominent Senegalese imam linked to West Africa Province is Alioune Ndao of Kaolack, a city outside of Dakar. According to the Senegalese security forces, when Ndao was arrested, he had two satellite phones that showed constant communication with West Africa Province. Ndao was also the Quranic teacher of Makhtar Diokhane, who was arrested by Nigerien authorities in Niger in November 2015 for sending money from West Africa Province to his wife in Senegal in support of the project.

Diokhane was in Niger to negotiate the release of three detained fighters (Seneweb, August 17). In court, he acknowledged that West Africa Province wanted to finance a cell in southern Senegal, but argued that he stayed with West Africa Province (in Nigeria or Niger) only so as to teach the Quran to fighters, not to participate in the conflict himself.

Ndao and Diokhane were not the only Senegalese connected to West Africa Province. Authorities said a Senegalese individual arrested in Dakar had been communicating with his brother who was in Nigeria fighting with West Africa Province (Premium Times, November 13, 2015). The man, whose name was not released, was one of several Senegalese citizens found to be communicating with, or receiving money from, relatives in West Africa Province.

There is no apparent connection between either Ndao or Diokhane to Senegalese foreign fighters with IS in Libya (Seneweb, June 2). Nonetheless, among the estimated 30-plus Senegalese foreign fighters with IS in Libya, a number of them joined salafi organizations in university or in mosques before traveling to Libya. Some of them also intended to join West Africa Province in Nigeria, following the advice of IS spokesman Muhammed al-Adnani, who called on fighters who could not reach Syria to go to Libya or Nigeria. Indeed, one of the Senegalese foreign fighters with IS in Senegal was known as Shekau al-Senegali, in deference to Abubakar Shekau (Seneweb, July 23).

The Question of Nigerian Leadership

Although most Senegalese citizens arrested in connection with the West Africa Province’s efforts in Senegal, as well as Senegalese foreign fighters with IS in Libya, reference Shekau as their inspiration, it is unclear whether Shekau is, in fact, leading the project from his base in northeastern Nigeria. Indeed, it seems likely another militant leader is behind it.

For one, Senegal is a Francophone country, and presumably a French-speaking member of West Africa Province or JAS from Niger, Cameroon or Chad would be better placed to manage the project (Shekau speaks Hausa, Fulani, Arabic and passable English, but not French).

One such fighter is French-speaking Mahamat Daud, who facilitated the movement of Nigerians to fight with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and allies in northern Mali in 2012, but broke from Shekau in 2015 over his targeting of IDP (internally displaced people) camps in Borno State. Shekau believed Muslims in the IDP camp were guilty of shirk (worshipping an entity other than Allah) for collaborating with an un-Islamic government, while Daud and other fighters with AQIM disagree with this religious interpretation (France24, August 13, 2015).

Another leader who could orchestrate a relationship between West Africa Province and Senegal is Mamman Nur. Despite now being associated with West Africa Province and loyal to Abubakar al-Baghdadi, Nur was associated with AQIM and al-Shabaab in 2011 when, with their support, he masterminded the suicide bombing at the UN Headquarters in Abuja, Nigeria, which killed 22 people (Sahara Reporters, August 5; Sahara Reporters, September 18, 2011). Nur could leverage regional connections in West Africa, including to other AQIM-turned-IS members, to provide funding to aspiring West Africa Province militants in Senegal (France 24, February 1).

Another possibility is Nigerian Khalid al-Barnawi, a former associate of Mokhtar Belmokhtar in Algeria and a founding member of the Ansaru faction, which broke away from JAS in 2012 over disputes over Shekau’s ruthless leadership style and self-serving religious interpretations. He reportedly has businesses in Senegal through which he could fund the project (fulansitrep, November 24). Although he was arrested in April 2016, the Nigerian army has continued to accuse Ansaru members of facilitating the flow of Nigerian foreign fighters to IS in Libya, which would indicated Ansaru, like other former Nigerian AQIM associates, now operates alongside IS. In Libya, Ansaru militants could easily interact with other sub-Saharan foreign fighters, including Senegalese, Ghanaians and Malians who, like the Nigerians, have been prominently featured in IS propaganda from Libya (The News [Nigeria], August 22; Vanguard, April 3).

Shekau is mostly based in Sambisa Forest in Borno State and is ideologically aligned with foreign jihadist groups – first al-Qaeda, then IS and now as an al-Baghdadi loyalist but not part of IS. However, unlike Daud, Nur, Khalid al-Barnawi, or current West Africa Province leader Abu Musab al-Barnawi, he has always been the recipient of support from these groups rather than the driving force behind the relationship.

So while Senegalese members of the project revere Shekau for his ideology and charisma, it seems more likely that one of these other figures facilitated the Senegalese relationship with West Africa Province.

A Truly West African Province

The most likely scenario is that, like past examples of the evolution in Nigerian jihadism, such as the formation of Ansaru or West Africa Province ahead of Shekau’s pledge to al-Baghdadi, multiple factions and leaders have had a hand in the Senegal project.

The Senegal project is, in any event, fairly small in scale, but given the split between Abu Musab al-Barnawi and Shekau, an attack by West Africa Province in Senegal could elevate the former’s status in his competition with Shekau. That could, in turn, motivate new salafi cells in Senegal or spark other “start-up” initiatives in West Africa.

The IS leadership would likely also see value in West Africa Province carrying out an attack beyond Nigeria and its borderlands. Such a move would prove the West Africa Province is truly West African, and help stymie the narrative of an IS decline.

LINK https://jamestown.org/program/boko-haram-senegal-expanding-west-africa-province/

Obostone:
Ghana does not pay tax to Briton and stop that low self esteem, it could enslave u mentally.

Ghana are cowards ,AU told you to deploy your troops to somalia. you delayed your deployment (which never happened)until uganda opted to deploy its troop.so stop lecturing me about pan-africanism. if those cowards you call your army could have deployed in somalia like sierra leoneans troops then we could have a discourse on the matter

ActivateKruger:
It wasn't the responsibility of South Africa to protect CAR citizens. The only agreement there was only included training CAR government troops under Buzize. Those troops runaway from Seleka, others joined them and our mission was over.

Whatever happens to them is not our politics.

There were reinforcements brought into Entebbe if I recall, with the the ability to retake Bangui, but that was called off. Rooivalks, Gripen etc