LiberaDeus:
@joycontramundum

Don't mind the selfish delusional christard.
Do they even think of the effect of their stupid faith, they expect all their ancestors, relatives, friends and even Muslim friends to burn forever in agony. It doesn't even move them one inch.

The minds that created the Christian god were wicked depraved , primitive minds. And that's why their creation still propagates in the minds of their believers. Christians are usually hypocritical, selfish, delusional etc.
Something built on a wrong foundation can never produce the right results.

christianity is a synonym for hypocrisy..

LiberaDeus:


My friend the unfortunate thing about Christianity is that you can find scriptures to back every thing up.

If you say love should be the motivation for Christianity then what do you have to say about scriptures that talk about hell and eternal torment. The crux of the Christian faith is saving humanity from eternal torment and damnation. Please is such an appeal not an appeal to run from danger and torture and embrace glory.

It is a typical carrot and stick approach. For you what is important now is your desire for god. But ask yourself what happens when that desire falters, when your desire to praise and worship reduces, when the troubles of life come?
You won't cease being a Christian because there is another motivation that should keep you in line which is avoiding the wrath of god. That motivation is fear, it kept the ancient Jews in Yahweh worship, kept the medieval Catholics in obedience to the Vatican, it keeps children in Islam, in Mormonism, in Christianity etc. That is the longest lasting and most reliable tool to keep people in religion.

Tell me the truth, how many people do you know that have such a desire to go to heaven?

In reality, many are not so freaked out by living and praising god forever, many don't want to live for more than a 1000 years, many find heaven to be a bit boring but there are surely some who want to be there and who want to know god. If churchgoing can serve as an indicator of how well people desire heaven then it goes to show that most people ain't enthusiastic about church services, many are not enthusiastic about gospel music that's why secular artists are the best selling. This shows that people are not really desiring the so called presence of god which also shows that many are not really desiring eternal fellowship in a heaven with god. But you might be the type that desires it.

But please tell me, do you know any human being that doesn't have a slight fear of hell or even fire. All mammals fear fire. The fear of hell is the strongest motivator and the most effective. It goes to show that many church goers are only there because they feel its the right thing to do to avoid the eternal wrath of god. If there was no doctrine of hell, you would see more freethinkers because people won't be scared to scrutinize Christianity.

This is what the medieval Catholics discovered that made them decide to twist and contort the new testament to create a fearful, terrible, horrendous doctrine of eternal damnation. That ploy elongated the lifespan of Christianity and also the length of the Catholic dominance of Europe. This psychological ploys work in every religion and Christianity isn't exempt.

the bolded!
Virtually every sect can back up their belief...

LiberaDeus:

LiberaDeus (free God?) , you guys seem to love Latin.

Anyway, I'll like to say my good night here. But first let me tell you what I desire for you from my heart, I don't know if you'll agree with me though.

I hope curiosity doesn't defeat you, I prefer you be the one to defeat curiosity.

Good night.

bennyann:


LiberaDeus (free God?) , you guys seem to love Latin.

Anyway, I'll like to say my good night here. But first let me tell you what I desire for you from my heart, I don't know if you'll agree with me though.

I hope curiosity doesn't defeat you, I prefer you be the one to defeat curiosity.

Good night.

LiberaDeus - free of god.

Curiosity is just like light, no matter how fast light is, it will take a photon of light 600,000 years to transverse our milky way galaxy. It will take a photon of light 13.5 billion years to get to the supposed end of our infinite universe. Light is mind bogglingly fast but it never outpaces our universe.
Curiosity is beautiful, it is enlightening but unfortunately there is so much to know in the universe that the best curiosity can do is to show you how much you really don't know.
A God that created the universe cannot be threatened by the mere feeling of human curiosity because it is to puny and infinitesimal for him just like the photon of light.
A real god will encourage curiosity and any curiosity that kills god only kills a weak, finite and counterfeit god.

Thank you for your wishes
Goodnight.

flamingREED:
We are all amazed.

One thing I know is,
Whoever encounters God personally always has this conviction of things beyond human explanation.

There are some feelings you have which have no words to explain them because they're borne out of supernatural interactions.

Tho I've said this,
I've still not well-explained what they really are like.

Words of human literacy always fail me

Thank you for being honest.

it is a serious problem when you experience power and you can not put it into words to at least impart others.
imagine the vivid description of the visions in the book of Daniel, Ezekiel , Isaiah etc
Ezekiel was actually a prophet that suffered most, all the pain he went through. God really dealt with him because of the Israelite and we have words from him today.

Christians should try and give a vivid description of whats going on in the church......there is a misconception that church is all about business of making money.......words should not fail us.

raphieMontella:

christianity is a synonym for hypocrisy..

there is hypocrisy in every facet of life.

go down

Saturday the 28th of May, 2016, while i was still suffering from all the pains from the powers that has being landing me, i now noticed a presence around me as if some one was watching me.....though i have battled a reoccurring ulcer for almost 25 years and it seems the heart pains has practically aggravated the ulcer pains.... my upper body was just burning up.......so i place my had on my chest and screamed ....." chest be still" ... the magic happened instantly, i got relieved.......shoooooo...this pain don goooo.......but the ulcer was still there.....so i place one hand at my back and the other on my chest and said thus........"by the power that located me in dunamis i command you ulcer.. get out of my body right now".... something left and that is ulcer gone for ever .

6pm in the evening is usually when we have homecell but i have decided not to attend because i have just being relived of this ulcer and chest pains so i need to catch some sleep.

Then a call came in at 6:30pm from a dunamis sister that the homecell leader want me to come that they are having a love feast, well i respect him a lot because he is also my senior at the bar........so i dragged my tired body there...though i came late....then closing prayers started .

beloved, this same person has been praying in the homecell for over a year and nothing has been happening to me but on that day.......power came to that area like a strong force..... i don't really know may be it followed me there or it came for me......so i heard the homecell leader say....some body has just taking a flight.... a high speed of a moving train and will clear everything that comes its way.....that nobody can stop this person.......although he has been having different vision on several occasion but non has effected me.

so the force lifted me off the ground and shake me well before it dropped me, my heart actually took a hard beat i thought to my sell .......if fall in this homecell i will be very embarrass. .......what i can vividly describe here is like a flour placed on a sieve and filtered......... did this thing just filter me

Sunday the 29th of May, 2016,
i went to church.....the church were this whole thing started is the lugbe zone 7 branch... so i was there but this time i changed sit with the mind set that what ever met me in the other sit can come and meet me here lets see.........praise and worship...preaching awesome......see pastor and him wife.....fine people.

then heated prayers started.....see the pastor very vexed....... and started saying...... there someone here........the word was actually my word...so i saw women running out to the alter.... i was like.. women...you people always have problems....as a jjc in the church , i did not know that if a word comes for you.....you run out....so i did not border.

Beloved....power came on me....indescribable stuff.....it came like a loud noise and filled my whole head and in that confusion i held my head tight, i lost my balance....... i could not find my self again......someone is speaking into my ears ...the word is too thunderous and i could not hear.........physically i have bulldozed both people and chairs......cleared the entire area.....people ran away from that area......what i sense was that they could not hold me down... and those that were trying to catch me fell too.... so it took the effort of able bodied men to really press my skinny body down.

I recovered from the alter not knowing how i got there.....all my body paining me as if i was beating with fire wood.....one of my lap was partially dislocated.......for one week i was still in pains because i don't recover from one event before the next one occurs..........from 22 -29 of may 2016 was a marathon of events......it was just too much for me.

urheme:
Sunday the 29th of May, 2016,
i went to church.....the church were this whole thing started is the lugbe zone 7 branch... so i was there but this time i changed sit with the mind set that what ever met me in the other sit can come and meet me here lets see.........praise and worship...preaching awesome......see pastor and him wife.....fine people.

then heated prayers started.....see the pastor very vexed....... and started saying...... there someone here........the word was actually my word...so i saw women running out to the alter.... i was like.. women...you people always have problems....as a jjc in the church , i did not know that if a word comes for you.....you run out....so i did not border.

Beloved....power came on me....indescribable stuff.....it came like a loud noise and filled my whole head and in that confusion i held my head tight, i lost my balance....... i could not find my self again......someone is speaking into my ears ...the word is too thunderous and i could not hear.........physically i have bulldozed both people and chairs......cleared the entire area.....people ran away from that area......what i sense was that they could not hold me down... and those that were trying to catch fell too.... so it took the effort of able bodied men to really press my skinny body down.

I recovered from the alter not knowing how i got there.....all my body paining me as if i was beating with fire wood.....one of my lap was partially dislocated.......for one week i was still in pains because i don't recover from one event before the next one occurs..........from 22 -29 of may 2016 was a marathon of events......it was just too much for me.

Those proud spirits met superior power

One Wednesday evening, it was a mid week service......i attended the 1st service...it was actually a communion service..... awesome praise and worship section.......very impartful message.......and during the ministration and in a heated prayers..... the pastor said.... someone here who has worked but is yet to received the pay.. that the Holy Spirit is putting the employer under pressure to release the salaries for that person.......i was not paid in the month of april as i left the firm...... so i joined others and ran out......

prayers going on ...pastor took anointing oil in his hands touching the people that came out......my eyes were closed.....suddenly i felt the pastors hand on my hand... and is like he placed a big ice block on my hand because it felt very cold and heavy....then power came on me......a strong force lifted me out of my shoes and threw me far away......no body could catch me because the speed was too much.

so i landed on bare tiles ...pain all over me.

i recovered some distance away from the alter... i was looking for my shoes... my shoes has elastic band and they were very tight... i began to wonder how the force took me out of the shoes with ease because i actually felt the lifting out of my shoes.

there was one thing.... i totally forgot the word that brought me out in the first instance for three days..... i now know that something else that is more crucial was addressed in my life on that day.

donnie:


Those proud spirits met superior power

my dear, powers dey oo.

Daniel 5:11-12
see the queen's mother testimony of Daniel.

Daniel was made chief and supervisor of all the witches and wizard of the land.... fortune teller, astrologers, sorcerers and magicians,
...in fact all the principalities in the land were subjected to Daniel.....no wizard is permitted to fly without permission from Daniel the chief wizard......this must be the power of God in him.

powers has been touching me,..... powers available in this world now is more than what was stated in the Bible.

You have a really funny way of telling your story.

urheme:



Thank you for being honest.

it is a serious problem when you experience power and you can not put it into words to at least impart others.
imagine the vivid description of the visions in the book of Daniel, Ezekiel , Isaiah etc
Ezekiel was actually a prophet that suffered most, all the pain he went through. God really dealt with him because of the Israelite and we have words from him today.

Christians should try and give a vivid description of whats going on in the church......there is a misconception that church is all about business of making money.......words should not fail us.






there is hypocrisy in every facet of life.

I marvel at your ignorance.

1 Corinthians 13
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

urheme:
Sunday the 29th of May, 2016,
i went to church.....the church were this whole thing started is the lugbe zone 7 branch... so i was there but this time i changed sit with the mind set that what ever met me in the other sit can come and meet me here lets see.........praise and worship...preaching awesome......see pastor and him wife.....fine people.

then heated prayers started.....see the pastor very vexed....... and started saying...... there someone here........the word was actually my word...so i saw women running out to the alter.... i was like.. women...you people always have problems....as a jjc in the church , i did not know that if a word comes for you.....you run out....so i did not border.

Beloved....power came on me....indescribable stuff.....it came like a loud noise and filled my whole head and in that confusion i held my head tight, i lost my balance....... i could not find my self again......someone is speaking into my ears ...the word is too thunderous and i could not hear.........physically i have bulldozed both people and chairs......cleared the entire area.....people ran away from that area......what i sense was that they could not hold me down... and those that were trying to catch fell too.... so it took the effort of able bodied men to really press my skinny body down.

I recovered from the alter not knowing how i got there.....all my body paining me as if i was beating with fire wood.....one of my lap was partially dislocated.......for one week i was still in pains because i don't recover from one event before the next one occurs..........from 22 -29 of may 2016 was a marathon of events......it was just too much for me.

This ur story sha! Just wondering, no pastor/usher cone to u to counsel u or talk to u after all d drama n coma? Not even ur friends in d church? And u too don't go to dem for help/counselling? U just get up @ d end of service n walk out of chur h like that, n only u holy spirit dey catch?

CHARLOE:

This ur story sha! Just wondering, no pastor/usher cone to u to counsel u or talk to u after all d drama n coma? Not even ur friends in d church? And u too don't go to dem for help/counselling? U just get up @ d end of service n walk out of chur h like that, n only u holy spirit dey catch?

I go to the people i followed to church, i tell them what i'm passing through...... they them selves have never experience such.... every description of my experience is weird to them....my trouble was too much for them...... i felt they look at me as if ...i'm now mad......so i confronted them and said .... so i am now mad abi..

they advise me to go and see the pastor but i refused because......i have never liked pastors.

others may have their own experiences but i am here to share only mine.

naijadeyhia:


Seun ooo Omo Osewa I know this is the kind of thread you would park your car, deflate the tires and throw away the keys....lol

Seun ooo seun ooo seun oooooo

Psychological Seun it is well o. Pls make sure you wheel the OP into a science lab and let us know the chenicals or drugs you used to replicate his experiences when you are done with proving ooo.

I feel this comment sha.

urheme:



I feel this comment sha.

The truth is that this is not the kind of thread you see atheists being very vocal because there is absolutely nothing they can say and no way to refute this.

They would rather focus on creating threads filled with Childish mockery but when reality hits them in threads like this they suddenly go cold .

They really wish what they shout about is true but the more they wish it the more God keeps doing iyanga with their foolishness.

Did Seun accept your challenge? He no fit na...its easy to make comments from behind a computer. Afterall even crayfish wey dey inside room fit claim say he be shark. Na inside water we go know who be who.

naijadeyhia:



The truth is that this is not the kind of thread you see atheists being very vocal because there is absolutely nothing they can say and no way to refute this.

They would rather focus on creating threads filled with Childish mockery but when reality hits them in threads like this they suddenly go cold .

They really wish what they shout about is true but the more they wish it the more God keeps doing iyanga with their foolishness.

Did Seun accept your challenge? He no fit na...its easy to make comments from behind a computer. Afterall even crayfish wey dey inside room fit claim say he be shark. Na inside water we go know who be who.

my friend, i can't even believe what was happening to me.

If i was told that one day i will be writing this kind of testimony... i would reject it outrightly..... but this is the reality i found my self..... it is well.

the events are just so much... is like everytime i find my self in the church.... a new story.....it is well. and uptill yesterday in the church........na wa ooo...

urheme:



my friend, i can't even believe what was happening to me.

If i was told that one day i will be writing this kind testimony... i would reject it outrightly..... but this is the reality i found my self..... it is well.

the events are just so much... is like everytime i find my self in the church.... a new story.....it is welll. and uptill yersterday in the church........na wa ooo...

My bro God is real and awesome. Hold on to Him and never ever let go and He will take you far.

By the way I think you would do well as a satirical writer along with your legal practice. I enjoy your writings

God bless you.

TomHagen:
You have a really funny way of telling your story.

The Guy enh?

My story continue from 14th of Nov' 2016...


after the ice block encounter, i came out of the church feeling dazed.....when you look at me you will know i am not alright at all.

so i ran into our homecell leader's wife....she was shocked to see me...so she said...." all this your confusion, make you try go see the pastor"....and i replied...."this una pastor na bad guy, na im dey speak that language we dey do me this thing"...so i walked away....with body pains that lasted for days.

Sunday the 19th of june, 2016, 2nd service......pastor don start....arrows of death fired at you is being reverse....shout firrrrre.....ryaaaa ...aaaa.. back to sender.....power landed on me and started taking me out of the church but the last pole held me...so the prayer was all over my head.. ...i pitied the arrow though...it was properly dealt with by God.

Sunday the 10th of July .....just came back from my sister,s burial in Delta state.........3rd service.......in a heated prayer... pastor ministering......" some body just returned from burial....lico bragadiya....there is a spirit that followed you from that place.....ra yaayaaya... Holy spirit where is that person"...

main while, i have learn to run out when my word comes... because if i don't some how i'm carried out.......so i heard what the pastor just said...i was running out in high speed... the pastor saw me coming and said "yes ...yes.. that is a daughter of God" . he ran out of the pulpit.. so we met our selves in front of the congregation.....and the impact i can vividly describe....is that...he hit me aside with a very large rock....i don't know where that power came from.....so i lost my stability and my senses at the same time .

that foul spirit ran into a brick wall of God ha ha ha... i ran to a rock....it cannot survive it can it .
that encounter gave me body pains for over two weeks....my whole body was in bit ahoooow

while all these things was happening, i went for an interview for a job...... the PC came out and met me at the reception and said..."you.. you look sick...are sure you are not sick...go to the hospital for check up.. i,m sure you are sick"......so i left in extreme anger.....and with that burden in my heart.

one sunday...4th service.......pastor started...."there is somebody here...you are being forced to go to the hospital...God is visiting you right now.. you don't need any check up.....shout firreeeee.. raya yaaa yaaaaaaaaaaa...every..lico bragada... i take authority over every lico bragadiya...fire firee fireeee"

power came on me....it was a heat wave that hit me inside and outside......the resultant effect was sweat as if i came out of a suma room..my clothe were socked...sweat ran out of my fingers....my feet inside my shoe became uncomfortable with sweat.....i really don't know what to make of my self so i left the church on that day.

so i had a sudden pie that was very painful... i was looking at it.. like.. what is this

in two days, sitting became uncomfortable because of the pains....i prayed about it.....went to church on Sunday..

a word came on it....Pastor started ministration..." there is an arrow of pie fired at somebody here.....Holy Spirit thank you....it is an arrow..... that arrow is about being roasted by fire....o you satanic arrow.. what are you waiting for...at the count of 3....shout fire eeee."

ladies and gentlemen ges what.. there was a chill and i was covered up with goose pimples...so cold.. i looked at the Ac ..it was off, the fan was not blowing at me either ....ok.. where is this feverish cold coming from .... i don't know.


the thing took off sudden... it was really burnt off because i did not feel or see it again......i can't thank God enough.

Psalm 9:14
"that i may stand before the people
of Jerusalem and tell them all the things
for which i praise you"

One day a young man that i know (a member of the church), who does not look for trouble.. a very decent guy...was bounded chain.. both wrist together and he is being taken away by the Police... i was called.. because it was not unusual for me to solicit bail for a person like him, for i know well well.

so i found my self in the police station and saw him in the cell still in chains.. while i was looking for the IPO in charge of this matter... a young girl also in custody whose condition need urgent attention caught my attention.... so i burst the DPO,s office for her matter and it was treated.... a police officer who has being abusing the young girl while in custody was arrested instantly and thrown into the cell... so i was happy.....while i was doing that i forgot the young man whose business brought me to the station...so found the IPO...while i was negotiating for his bail..the Ipo was proving very difficult....so i decided to burst the DPO,s office for the Second time............ i woke up!!!!!..... so this na dream.....i remember the young man.....ah.. i did not get him bail.....he is still in chains...

i try to force my self to sleep again so i can go and set the boy free, but sleep refuse to come...... i said ...God... this is a career set back.... i could not bail a person in the spirit realm .......what can i do in the physical.....

the burden was in my heart when i arrived church on sunday......... prayers started amidst praise and worship.... then the pastor started ministration....."oh...oh there is this young man.....both hand bounded together in chains....being taking away"

i was like gan gan!!....... how did you know i was in such transaction

pastor continued " i am setting that young man free right now.....every chains from the pit of hell....bragali co ..bragadeya....looossee.....shout fireeeeeeeee"

i really felt a relief on that day...amidst worship....i felt drops of water fell on me.

urheme:
One day a young man that i know (a member of the church), who does not look for trouble.. a very decent guy...was bounded chain.. both wrist together and he is being taken away by the Police... i was called.. because it was not unusual for me to solicit bail for a person like him, for i know well well.

so i found my self in the police station and saw him in the cell still in chains.. while i was looking for the IPO in charge of this matter... a young girl also in custody whose condition need urgent attention caught my attention.... so i burst the DPO,s office for her matter and it was treated.... a police officer who has being abusing the young girl while in custody was arrested instantly and thrown into the cell... so i was happy.....while i was doing that i forgot the young man whose business brought me to the station...so found the IPO...while i was negotiating for his bail..the Ipo was proving very difficult....so i decided to burst the DPO,s office for the Second time............ i woke up!!!!!..... so this na dream.....i remember the young man.....ah.. i did not get him bail.....he is still in chains...

i try to force my self to sleep again so i can go and set the boy free, but sleep refuse to come...... i said ...God... this is a career set back.... i could not bail a person in the spirit realm .......what can i do in the physical.....

the burden was in my heart when i arrived church on sunday......... prayers started amidst praise and worship.... then the pastor started ministration....."oh...oh there is this young man.....both hand bounded together in chains....being taking away"

i was like gan gan!!....... how did you know i was in such transaction

pastor continued " i am setting that young man free right now.....every chains from the pit of hell....bragali co ..bragadeya....looossee.....shout fireeeeeeeee"

i really felt a relief on that day...amidst worship....i felt drops of water fell on me.

Urheme i have a leading in my spirit that God wishes to have you work for him in his vineyard. If he has not begun revealing it to you yet he will very soon.

damogul:



Urheme i have a leading in my spirit that God wishes to have you work for him in his vineyard. If he has not begun revealing it to you yet he will very soon.

really

because, i have started dreaming and seeing things...wonder where it is all coming from.

urheme:
so i had a sudden pie that was very painful... i was looking at it.. like.. what is this

in two days, sitting became uncomfortable because of the pains....i prayed about it.....went to church on Sunday..

a word came on it....Pastor started ministration..." there is an arrow of pie fired at somebody here.....Holy Spirit thank you....it is an arrow..... that arrow is about being roasted by fire....o you satanic arrow.. what are you waiting for...at the count of 3....shout fire eeee."

ladies and gentlemen ges what.. there was a chill and i was covered up with goose pimples...so cold.. i looked at the Ac ..it was off, the fan was not blowing at me either ....ok.. where is this feverish cold coming from .... i don't know.


the thing took off sudden... it was really burnt off because i did not feel or see it again......i can't thank God enough.

Wow, not trying to discredit ur story but it all sounds unbelievable! Aha, na only u dey d church?

To God be the glory!!! Those of you reading and doubtful or wanting to encounter such, pls visit any Dunamis church closer to you. Convention started today and there will be all night on Friday at the Lord 's garden. Congratulations sis, pray you will forever remain in Jesus Love.

CHARLOE:

Wow, not trying to discredit ur story but it all sounds unbelievable! Aha, na only u dey d church?

Lol. Na wetin I wan ask am be that.

lalsticlala , mynd44

This one needs to hit front page ooo