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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 7:38pm On Nov 12, 2016
LiberaDeus:



Nah you weren't once like me, I was once like you
I was a devout spiritual Christian for 5 years. I did everything you did from speaking in tongues to prayer to receiving ministrations to communing with the holy spirit . I evangelized, gave to the body of Christ, studied the word of god, received rhema, praised god and felt the so called power of the spirit .

I had all those doubts since. But I did what you are doing now which is rationalizing and creating a locked room in my mind. I shunned the doubts and even prayed to god to help me with those doubts and confusion. I succeeded for a while with that.

But it got to a point that I accepted the fact that god and the bible must be truth and truth is strong enough to fight for itself . You don't need to run away from arguments if you believe the truth, arguments would melt away when nearing the truth like objects melt when close to our sun. If it is of god then logic must foll9w through.

By the way we believe that the spiritual controls the physical, so even if the spiritual doesn't make sense for a while the effect of the spiritual will eventually affect the physical. That's why I asked for the result of your higher perception.

I opened my mind to all view points and analysed them, it sure took a while but the truth came out. And that truth is that Christianity is purely man made. The doctrines, the scriptures and even the stories. But you might wonder where do the spiritual experiences come from. They are totally psychological, some aspects are understandable like glossolalia[ speaking in tongues] to visions but some are hard to explain. But just because we have some mysterious spiritual experiences doesn't absolve the fact that the so called word of god is a walking contradiction in every aspect. We might not understand deep emotional or spiritual experiences but the Christian world view can't explain it because it is built on fables, mythology and history.

If you talk about a conscious decision to give god a try, the question I would ask is , Which God?

When you ask that question , you will be left with no option than to scrutinize all religious claims, how do you even decide the Christian denomination you should belong to? You must assess it. When you go through a real honest assessment of your beliefs and why you believe what you believe then you will be inching closer to the truth.

So no need to claim you have a higher perception cause if I can't see the effects of the higher perception then it is nothing but empty rhetoric.

Forgive me please, I tried not asking but I couldn't help it.

I will like to know if you were among those that faked speaking in tongues. Because it was said here and maybe by you that it wasn't real.

AND can you also tell me what you meant by you felt the power of the Spirit?
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 8:11pm On Nov 12, 2016
LiberaDeus:



Locked house, hahaha

If I was to tell you that I was feeling what you were saying and how right and spiritual you were and how useless and blind this freethinkers are then I am sure you could have seen me as someone inside that locked house.

I have an announcement for you. That secret locked house you are taking about is just one of them. Muslims have a locked room themselves and you can't enter , Buddhists have that locked room too and you can't enter, Hindus reside in their own locked room and you can't enter. In short every spiritual or mystic belief system has that room too and no one outside knows what's in.

In their rooms they are always right. I wonder how one event can have so many truths to it. You and them can keep your subjective truths .

But when you want to ascertain real truth, you will come out of your shells and lay your evidence and facts for scrutiny but till then let's just enjoy our locked cozy rooms where we are always right and our perception is higher than others.

I wonder what you will do when you want to purchase something and you ask to see a sample and the seller gives you the locked room treatment but request your money first. I really wonder

Keep scrutinizing.

When you're tired of deceiving yourself,
I'm sure you'll come back to Him who only rose from death.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Anas09: 8:59pm On Nov 12, 2016
LiberaDeus:


Yea I communed with him and cast aspersions on him. Is that bad? Am sure you had an imaginary friend when you were young.

Having a relationship with someone in your mind doesn't necessarily mean the person is real. The relationship and the emotional bind formed are real but the person must not be real. If you understand how the brain works you won't find that puzzling.

Am not gonna tell you my conversion experience because you will use the same old Christian argument that says I never was really converted and i never had a true relationship with him. I don't have time to run round in circles with you.

The only thing I have to tell you is that the only reason why one would never question the spiritual relationship he is in with a divine being is because of fear of offending the being. That cycle of fear will always keep one from knowing the truth.
Am sorry, i could read beyond your first paragraph. I cant beleive you can be that naive.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Anas09: 9:00pm On Nov 12, 2016
bennyann:


Amenooo
Yes oo
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 4:12am On Nov 13, 2016
urheme:



For many years i prayed, i partook in the christian religion, i was very religious at a time but felt nothing, saw nothing and did not know what to think.

I thought i was wasting my time and i find my self a full blown atheist.


Ah, Jesu.... WHY didn't you believe in God before.... Shey you don't know what questions are and how to answer them abi?
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 4:40am On Nov 13, 2016
Anas09:

Am sorry, i could read beyond your first paragraph. I cant beleive you can be that naive.

Am sorry you are the naive brainwashed religious extremist. The fact you couldn't read past the first paragraph is not new to Christians. You always select what you want to hear in order to preserve your precious beliefs.

I didn't beg you to read, you asked a question and when I gave you the answer you acted like a typical christian, stuck your hand in your ears and sung lalalala . How mature.

Our thinking levels can never be the same. You are stuck in a mental cage and kept there by the ongoing desire to acquire a golden mansion and crown after you die and also kept in line by the fear of being lynched in unbearable heat forever. You are the simple one here my friend cause you could never look beyond the whole facade.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 4:46am On Nov 13, 2016
flamingREED:


Keep scrutinizing.

When you're tired of deceiving yourself,
I'm sure you'll come back to Him who only rose from death.

Concerning rising from the dead, Mithra rose from the dead. Horus rose from the dead. Krishna rose from the dead. Dionysus also resurrected.

You said I am deceiving myself but in reality the person who has exposure to just one worldview and keeps preventing contrary or dissenting information from entering his brain all in a bid to preserve the so called sanctity of his own truth is the one that is consciously deceiving himself.

The same way I can never go back to primary school is the same way I can never be a Christian again.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 9:41am On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


Forgive me please, I tried not asking but I couldn't help it.

I will like to know if you were among those that faked speaking in tongues. Because it was said here and maybe by you that it wasn't real.

AND can you also tell me what you meant by you felt the power of the Spirit?
There you go; the "you were never a true Christian" nonsense. Get something else to cling onto, man. The rubbish doesn't work anymore.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 10:38am On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


Forgive me please, I tried not asking but I couldn't help it.

I will like to know if you were among those that faked speaking in tongues. Because it was said here and maybe by you that it wasn't real.

AND can you also tell me what you meant by you felt the power of the Spirit?

I didn't fake it. I couldn't speak in tongues for the first 6 months of being born again. I couldn't bring my self to fake it. It came after much prayer in a particular night vigil.

The experience of speaking in tongues is not fake as most non Christians think it is. There are clearly some people that fake it but I can guess that at least half the people that do it don't fake it. In speaking in tongues, you feel a stirring inside you and suddenly it pops to the surface and utterances come out. For the average christian, this must be a sign of the power of god. But in reality, the experience involves the subconscious taking over the conscious for a while and it can be put on and off like a tap.

The fact that the tongues are usually words or syllables uttered in a careless manner goes to show that it isn't related to the real speaking in tongues that was spoken about in acts of the apostles whereby the apostles spoke other people's languages.

Early Pentecostals found this out and never let go of it, they immediately tied it to the tongues in acts of the apostles. But in reality, it is a phenomenon that goes on in many religions like ifa , voodoo, Sufism, bahai, paganism etc.
For the average mind, the phenomenon is so wonderful that immediately you experience it you tie it to the presence and power of god. One thing it does is to increase confidence.

The funny thing about it is that no matter what you do you can turn it off and on at will. I can still do it and when one at do it I don't mean fake it but I mean the real stirring inside and utterances.

You can have sex and do it, you can be doing anything and be doing it. This just goes to show that it can't be spirit inspired since even without the so called presence of god , one can still feel and do it. It shows it is purely neurological.

For your second question, when people say power of the spirit, they most likely mean a deep feeling that is not normally experienced by man, something so awesome and joyful. For the average mind that already believes, this is seen as a true testament to God's power.
For me, it meant feeling an awesome presence of god and also feeling in awe of that presence, praying and praising and feeling joy unspeakable, supernatural vibrations, hearing the still small voice, getting a rhema etc.
When Christians say things like " I can never stop believing because I have the evidence in my heart" , this is what they hold on to in reality. Its this experiences that forms the crux of the modern Pentecostal faith and because of this many Christians can afford to twist logic on its head because it doesn't matter if the bible doesn't make sense or prophecies don't come true, for them what matters is that they can feel and hear god.

What you have to know is that all these things are not spiritual as we claim but deeply psychological. Just because neuroscience hasn't explored it doesn't mean we should immediately substitute a god there. The brains neural pathways have been explored to just 15percent, so we have 85 percent of neural functions to explore. There is a high probability that all these feeling and experiences are buried there. For the Christians that experience these things, I don't argue with their experiences, I don't see why a grown man will want to be screaming and rolling in church for attention, it's clear these spiritual gymnastics are not done willfully but as people are led by this deeply psychological experiences.

One might ask, why does it happen only in churches where the presence of god is, well that's because the people there believe it . Belief is a very powerful precursor to such things .

To prove my point, Google the documentary MarJoe, it's about a boy forced to be a preacher by his parents but later decongestants, he starts a ministry but secretly gives a documentary to journalists about how fraudulent it is. Even though his intentions were fraudulent , people were still moved by the power of the spirit[ deep emotional experiences], the congregation spoke in tongues, rolled on the floor, wept before the presence of god and did all things imaginable. He showed the journalists how he could achieve that just with music and basic psychology. These so called power of the spirit could be replicated by a fraudster. That's why I keep telling Christians not to judge truth by their personal convictions or feelings but to compare facts .
The documentary won an academy award.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 10:54am On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:


I didn't fake it. I couldn't speak in tongues for the first 6 months of being born again. I couldn't bring my self to fake it. It came after much prayer in a particular night vigil.

The experience of speaking in tongues is not fake as most non Christians think it is. There are clearly some people that fake it but I can guess that at least half the people that do it don't fake it. In speaking in tongues, you feel a stirring inside you and suddenly it pops to the surface and utterances come out. For the average christian, this must be a sign of the power of god. But in reality, the experience involves the subconscious taking over the conscious for a while and it can be put on and off like a tap.

The fact that the tongues are usually words or syllables uttered in a careless manner goes to show that it isn't related to the real speaking in tongues that was spoken about in acts of the apostles whereby the apostles spoke other people's languages.

Early Pentecostals found this out and never let go of it, they immediately tied it to the tongues in acts of the apostles. But in reality, it is a phenomenon that goes on in many religions like ifa , voodoo, Sufism, bahai, paganism etc.
For the average mind, the phenomenon is so wonderful that immediately you experience it you tie it to the presence and power of god. One thing it does is to increase confidence.

The funny thing about it is that no matter what you do you can turn it off and on at will. I can still do it and when one at do it I don't mean fake it but I mean the real stirring inside and utterances.

You can have sex and do it, you can be doing anything and be doing it. This just goes to show that it can't be spirit inspired since even without the so called presence of god , one can still feel and do it. It shows it is purely neurological.

For your second question, when people say power of the spirit, they most likely mean a deep feeling that is not normally experienced by man, something so awesome and joyful. For the average mind that already believes, this is seen as a true testament to God's power.
For me, it meant feeling an awesome presence of god and also feeling in awe of that presence, praying and praising and feeling joy unspeakable, supernatural vibrations, hearing the still small voice, getting a rhema etc.
When Christians say things like " I can never stop believing because I have the evidence in my heart" , this is what they hold on to in reality. Its this experiences that forms the crux of the modern Pentecostal faith and because of this many Christians can afford to twist logic on its head because it doesn't matter if the bible doesn't make sense or prophecies don't come true, for them what matters is that they can feel and hear god.

What you have to know is that all these things are not spiritual as we claim but deeply psychological. Just because neuroscience hasn't explored it doesn't mean we should immediately substitute a god there. The brains neural pathways have been explored to just 15percent, so we have 85 percent of neural functions to explore. There is a high probability that all these feeling and experiences are buried there. For the Christians that experience these things, I don't argue with their experiences, I don't see why a grown man will want to be screaming and rolling in church for attention, it's clear these spiritual gymnastics are not done willfully but as people are led by this deeply psychological experiences.

One might ask, why does it happen only in churches where the presence of god is, well that's because the people there believe it . Belief is a very powerful precursor to such things .

To prove my point, Google the documentary MarJoe, it's about a boy forced to be a preacher by his parents but later decongestants, he starts a ministry but secretly gives a documentary to journalists about how fraudulent it is. Even though his intentions were fraudulent , people were still moved by the power of the spirit[ deep emotional experiences], the congregation spoke in tongues, rolled on the floor, wept before the presence of god and did all things imaginable. He showed the journalists how he could achieve that just with music and basic psychology. These so called power of the spirit could be replicated by a fraudster. That's why I keep telling Christians not to judge truth by their personal convictions or feelings but to compare facts .
The documentary won an academy award.

Thank you so much for your reply.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 10:55am On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
There you go; the "you were never a true Christian" nonsense. Get something else to cling onto, man. The rubbish doesn't work anymore.

There you go yourself. Just remember 'we're all different'. Happy Sunday.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 1:30pm On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:


Concerning rising from the dead, Mithra rose from the dead. Horus rose from the dead. Krishna rose from the dead. Dionysus also resurrected.

You said I am deceiving myself but in reality the person who has exposure to just one worldview and keeps preventing contrary or dissenting information from entering his brain all in a bid to preserve the so called sanctity of his own truth is the one that is consciously deceiving himself.

The same way I can never go back to primary school is the same way I can never be a Christian again.

Enjoy your delusion to hell.

Don't think I'll plead with you to reason.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 2:12pm On Nov 13, 2016
flamingREED:


Enjoy your delusion to hell.

Don't think I'll plead with you to reason.

And in the end that's all Christians have to say when the twisted logic is brought bare. Enjoy your ride in hell, don't say I didn't warn you, it will be the worst thing ever etc

For those reading, the reason why when push comes to shove, the major thing all Christians will come to do is to threaten you with hell, not appeal with common sense, not appeal with love, nah, the major thing is hell is because when you strip Christian doctrine to the core, what remains is really the fear of the unknown.

That is the core driving force and motivation, that's why Christians can't understand why one will risk hell for just a very short life since they have been deluded to think that they will exist for over a billion years and will either spend that time in a glorious medieval mansion or in writhing agony.

This is the real driving force and purpose of Christianity and most religions which in is using fear to control independent human beings.

Just like when you carry a computer and strip it bare, the most important component is the processor even though there are other components.

Likening Christianity to a computer, it has components like morality, miracles, prophecies, hope of glory, praise, worship but the processor and driving force is the fear of eternal damnation, torture and rejection.
Fear is the worst motivator to use to accept something as true because the very nature of fear clouds critical thinking.

Its fear that lions use to put a herd of buffalos to a chase and they never think of the fact they can actually stop and kill the lion because fear cannot and will not promote critical thinking. Christians are like that here while freethinkers are the few who have questioned what they have believed and are facing the lion fair and square and have also discovered that there is nothing to be scared of.

Coming to reality, if he says I should enjoy my delusion to hell, the only question I have is this

Which hell is he talking about?

1. Christian Catholic hell
2. Christian mormon hell
3. Christian Jehovah witness hell
4. Islamic hell
5. Islamic Shia hell
6. Buddhist hell
7. Zoroastrianism hell
8. Hindu hell

Please if you pick any hell or say that its the Christian hell I am going to then you have dismissed all the other hells and if you dismissed them then kindly give the reason and if you give a logical reason , kindly apply that reason to your religion.

Thank you

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 2:46pm On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


There you go yourself. Just remember 'we're all different'. Happy Sunday.
Of course, we're DIFFERENT. You're an Abrahamist for goodness' sake. The difference is glaring. I just had to correct a fallacious way of thinking that has gained prominence among you evangelical protestants.

Happy Sunday to you too.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 3:06pm On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
Of course, we're DIFFERENT. You're an Abrahamist for goodness' sake. The difference is glaring. I just had to correct a fallacious way of thinking that has gained prominence among you evangelical protestants.

Happy Sunday to you too.

You like trouble ooo lipsrsealed

You didn't correct me but attacked me. I'm still thinking of where I erred for you wanting to correct me.

Actually, I've never used the word 'Abrahamist' before.

Even among atheists, attitudes differ. So it is with other group of people. So don't be in a hurry to judge till the person has given you a reason to.

Your moniker interests me. I'll like to know the meaning and why the moniker. Is it 'joy against the world'?
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 3:08pm On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:


And in the end that's all Christians have to say when the twisted logic is brought bare. Enjoy your ride in hell, don't say I didn't warn you, it will be the worst thing ever etc

For those reading, the reason why when push comes to shove, the major thing all Christians will come to do is to threaten you with hell, not appeal with common sense, not appeal with love, nah, the major thing is hell is because when you strip Christian doctrine to the core, what remains is really the fear of the unknown.

That is the core driving force and motivation, that's why Christians can't understand why one will risk hell for just a very short life since they have been deluded to think that they will exist for over a billion years and will either spend that time in a glorious medieval mansion or in writhing agony.

This is the real driving force and purpose of Christianity and most religions which in is using fear to control independent human beings.

Just like when you carry a computer and strip it bare, the most important component is the processor even though there are other components.

Likening Christianity to a computer, it has components like morality, miracles, prophecies, hope of glory, praise, worship but the processor and driving force is the fear of eternal damnation, torture and rejection.
Fear is the worst motivator to use to accept something as true because the very nature of fear clouds critical thinking.

Its fear that lions use to put a herd of buffalos to a chase and they never think of the fact they can actually stop and kill the lion because fear cannot and will not promote critical thinking. Christians are like that here while freethinkers are the few who have questioned what they have believed and are facing the lion fair and square and have also discovered that there is nothing to be scared of.

Coming to reality, if he says I should enjoy my delusion to hell, the only question I have is this

Which hell is he talking about?

1. Christian Catholic hell
2. Christian mormon hell
3. Christian Jehovah witness hell
4. Islamic hell
5. Islamic Shia hell
6. Buddhist hell
7. Zoroastrianism hell
8. Hindu hell

Please if you pick any hell or say that its the Christian hell I am going to then you have dismissed all the other hells and if you dismissed them then kindly give the reason and if you give a logical reason , kindly apply that reason to your religion.

Thank you

Rubbish.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 3:27pm On Nov 13, 2016
flamingREED:


Enjoy your delusion to hell.

Don't think I'll plead with you to reason.
Of course, why would you plead with him? Why would you care, given that you're a selfish evil cvnt that would be glad to watch the infidels burn for all eternity in pure amusement and delight while supping with Jesus and Yahweh himself in the highest of heavens? You have an exceptionally bad conscience, lunatic. You wanna defend your beliefs with threats of eternal damnation rather than reasoned argument. What kind of person are you? There is not one particle of love in what you said; just the desire to consign others to hell.

The great atheist Nietzsche highlighted what you people were like long ago. In one of his most stunning works On the Genealogy of Morality, he said:

[b]There's no doubt that these weak people-at some time or another they also want to be the strong people, some day their "kingdom" is to arrive-they call it simply "the kingdom of God." People are indeed so humble about everything! Only to experience that, one has to live a long time, beyond death-in fact, people must have an eternal life, so they can also win eternal recompense in the "kingdom of God" for that earthly life "in faith, in love, in hope." Recompense for what?... In my view, Dante was grossly in error when, with an ingenuity inspiring terror, he set that inscription over the gateway into his hell: "Etrenal love also created me." Over the gateway into the Christian paradise and its "eternal blessedness" it would, in any event, be more fitting to let the inscription stand "Eternal hate also created me"-provided it's all right to set a truth over the gateway to a lie! For what is the bliss of that paradise?... Perhaps we might have guessed that already, but it is better for it to be expressly describes for us by an authority we cannot underestimate in such matters. Thomas Aquinas, the great teacher and saint: "In the kingdom of heaven" he says as gently as a lamb, "the blessed will see the punishment of the damned, so that they will derive all the more pleasure from their heavenly bliss." Or do you want to hear that message in a stronger tone, something from the mouth of a triumphant father of the church, who warns his Christians against the cruel sensuality of the public spectacles. But why? "Faith, in fact, offers much more to us," he says (in de Spectaculis, c. 29 ff), "something much stronger . Thanks to the redemption, very different joys are ours to command; in place of the athletes, we have our martyrs. If we want blood, well, we have the blood of Christ... But what awaits us on the day of his coming again, his triumph"-and now he takes off, the rapturous visionary: "However there are other spectacles-that last day of judgement, ignored by nations, derided by them, when the accumulation of the years and all the many things which they produced will be burned in a single fire. What a broad spectacle then appears! How I will be lost in admiration! How I will laugh! How I will rejoice! I will be full of exaltation then as I see so many great kings who by public report were accepted into heaven groaning in the deepest darkness with Jove himself and alongside those very men who testified on their behalf! They will include governors of provinces who persecuted the name of our Lord burning in flames more fierce than those with which they proudly raged against the Christians! And those wise philosophers who earlier convinced their disciples that God was irrelevant and who claimed either that there is no such thing as a soul or that our souls would return to their original bodies will be ashamed as they burn in the conflagration with those very disciples! And the poets will be there, shaking with fear, not in front of the tribunal of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the Christ they did not anticipate! Then it will be easier to hear the tragic actors, because their voices will be more resonant in their own calamity" (better voices since they will be screaming in greater error). "The actors will then be easier to recognize, for the fire will make them much more agile. Then the charioteer will be on show, all red in a wheel of fire, and the athletes will be visible, thrown, not in the gymnasium, but in the fire, unless I have no wish to look at their bodies then, so that I can more readily cast an insatiable gaze on those who raged against our Lord............. "I believe these are more pleasing than the race track and the circus and both enclosures"[/b]

Imagine such filth, such wicked, despicable, horrific thoughts coming from a vampiric psychopath of an Abrahamist. These guys are so disgusting they deserve to be lucked up in asylums. Imagine so much evil wishes emerging from the mind of a lunatic, courtesy of infection from the virus of fanatical deluded Christian faith. The insanity is grotesque.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 3:32pm On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
Of course, why would you plead with him? Why would you care, given that you're a selfish evil cvnt that would be glad to watch the infidels burn for all eternity in pure amusement and delight while supping with Jesus and Yahweh himself in the highest of heavens? You have an exceptionally bad conscience, lunatic. You wanna defend your beliefs with threats of eternal damnation rather than reasoned argument. What kind of person are you? There is not one particle of love in what you said; just the desire to consign others ro hell.

The great atheist Nietzsche highlighted what you people were like long ago. In one of his most stunning works On the Genealogy of Morality, he said:

[b][color=indigo]There's no doubt that these weak people-at some time or another they also want to be the strong people, some day their "kingdom" is to arrive-they call it simply "the kingdom of God." People are indeed so humble about everything! Only to experience that, one has to live a long time, beyond death-in fact, people must have an eternal life, so they can also win eternal recompense in the "kingdom of God" for that earthly life "in faith, in love, in hope." Recompense for what?... In my view, Dante was grossly in error when, with an ingenuity inspiring terror, he set that inscription over the gateway into his hell: "Etrenal love also created me." Over the gateway into the Christian paradise and its "eternal blessedness" it would, in any event, be more fitting to let the inscription stand "Eternal hate also created me"-provided it's all right to set a truth over the gateway to a lie! For what is the bliss of that paradise?... Perhaps we might have guessed that already, but it is better for it to be expressly describes for us by an authority we cannot underestimate in such matters. Thomas Aquinas, the great teacher and saint: "In the kingdom of heaven" he says as gently as a lamb, "the blessed will see the punishment of the damned, so that they will derive all the more pleasure from their heavenly bliss." Or do you want to hear that message in a stronger tone, something from the mouth of a triumphant father of the church, who warns his Christians against the cruel sensuality of the public spectacles. But why? "Faith, in fact, offers much more to us," he says (in de Spectaculis, c. 29 ff), "something much stronger . Thanks to the redemption, very different joys are ours to command; in place of the athletes, we have our martyrs. If we want blood, well, we have the blood of Christ... But what awaits us on the day of his coming again, his triumph"-and now he takes off, the rapturous visionary: "However there are other spectacles-that last day of judgement, ignored by nations, derided by them, when the accumulation of the years and all the many things which they produced will be burned in a single fire. What a broad spectacle then appears! How I will be lost in admiration! How I will laugh! How I will rejoice! I will be full of exaltation then as I see so many great kings who by public report were accepted into heaven groaning in the deepest darkness with Jove himself and alongside those very men who testified on their behalf! They will include governors of provinces who persecuted the name of our Lord burning in flames more fierce than those with which they proudly raged against the Christians! And those wise philosophers who earlier convinced their disciples that God was irrelevant and who claimed either that there is no such thing as a soul or that our souls would return to their original bodies will be ashamed as they burn in the conflagration with those very disciples! And the poets will be there, shaking with fear, not in front of the tribunal of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the Christ they did not anticipate! Then it will be easier to hear the tragic actors, because their voices will be more resonant in their own calamity" (better voices since they will be screaming in greater error). "The actors will then be easier to recognize, for the fire will make them much more agile. Then the charioteer will be on show, all red in a wheel of fire, and the athletes will be visible, thrown, not in the gymnasium, but in the fire, unless I have no wish to look at their bodies then, so that I can more readily cast an insatiable gaze on those who raged against our Lord............. "I believe these are more pleasing than the race track and the circus and both enclosures"

Imagine such filth, such wicked, despicable, horrific thoughts coming from a vampiric psychopath of an Abrahamist. These guys are so disgusting they deserve to be lucked up in asylums. Imagine so much evil wishes emerging from the mind of a lunatic, courtesy of infection from the virus of fanatical deluded Christian faith. The insanity is grotesque.

See,
I don't steal, I don't womanize, I don't smoke, I don't abuse people, I don't lie, I don't deceive, I don't kill, I don't watch porn,
I don't masturbate, I don't do evil to anyone.

In spite of your self-delusion,
HE WHOSE NAME AND POWER SET ME FREE FROM VICES OF MORTALS MUST BE A GOOD GOD

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 3:42pm On Nov 13, 2016
flamingREED:


See,
I don't steal, I don't womanize, I don't smoke, I don't abuse people, I don't lie, I don't deceive, I don't kill, I don't watch porn,
I don't masturbate, I don't do evil to anyone.

In spite of your self-delusion,
HE WHOSE NAME AND POWER SET ME FREE FROM VICES OF MORTALS MUST BE A GOOD GOD
Really? I wouldn't expect less from a terrible cvnt who revels in pathological selfishness.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 3:58pm On Nov 13, 2016
@joycontramundum

Don't mind the selfish delusional christard.
Do they even think of the effect of their stupid faith, they expect all their ancestors, relatives, friends and even Muslim friends to burn forever in agony. It doesn't even move them one inch.

The minds that created the Christian god were wicked depraved , primitive minds. And that's why their creation still propagates in the minds of their believers. Christians are usually hypocritical, selfish, delusional etc.
Something built on a wrong foundation can never produce the right results.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 4:24pm On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:


For those reading, the reason why when push comes to shove, the major thing all Christians will come to do is to threaten you with hell, not appeal with common sense, not appeal with love, nah, the major thing is hell is because when you strip Christian doctrine to the core, what remains is really the fear of the unknown .

That is the core driving force and motivation, that's why Christians can't understand why one will risk hell for just a very short life since they have been deluded to think that they will exist for over a billion years and will either spend that time in a glorious medieval mansion or in writhing agony.

This is the real driving force and purpose of Christianity and most religions which in is using fear to control independent human beings .

Just like when you carry a computer and strip it bare, the most important component is the processor even though there are other components.

Likening Christianity to a computer, it has components like morality, miracles, prophecies, hope of glory, praise, worship but the processor and driving force is the fear of eternal damnation, torture and rejection .
Fear is the worst motivator to use to accept something as true because the very nature of fear clouds critical thinking.

Its fear that lions use to put a herd of buffalos to a chase and they never think of the fact they can actually stop and kill the lion because fear cannot and will not promote critical thinking. Christians are like that here while freethinkers are the few who have questioned what they have believed and are facing the lion fair and square and have also discovered that there is nothing to be scared of.

I'm sorry dear but that's not how Christians should be. Who knows maybe that's why so many Christians are no longer Christians because they are afraid of the unknown. If we do lots of research we will find out the Bible is clearly against fear. You just have to respect God.


Anyways, the reason I quote you with so much confidence is because FEAR isn't my driving force but LOVE. I love God sooooo much, too much that I've given my all to Him and I'm not scared of tomorrow. I'm not even scared of death not to talk about hell. I'm not scared of what man can do to me or this body of mine.

The love for God, the hunger and thirst for God is my driving force. That's the secret to being a successful Christian.

I'm sure anyone whose driving force in Christianity is fear of the unknown and not love for God, it'll be hard for that Christian because it opens doors for the enemy to have the upper hand against him.

For God hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of power of love and of a sound mind .

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love .

Love and fear are mutually exclusive. If we have perfect love we will not fear. But if we have fear we do not have perfect love


To all the Christians here, fear is our greatest enemy.
A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God. I urge us to be like king David when he said he will not be afraid because his trust is in the Lord.

In Matthew 10, Jesus told us not to be afraid cos we are worth more than many sparrows.

Isiah 41:10
“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.

So my dear Christians, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”.

The secret is Love and not fear.

Love of God is what has been sustaining me and still sustains me in Him. I don't know if it's because I'm the type who loves hard, but I pray such love for God will not be taken away from me.

I love you Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all that is within me, and I pray you bless me with so much love for you so that nothing can separate me from your love.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 5:05pm On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
Really? I wouldn't expect less from a terrible cvnt who revels in pathological selfishness.

I'm not selfish, dear boy.
And my feelings are optimal.

But by the grace of Jesus in me,
I put my body under control.

And try and be more civil when next you quote my holy posts.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 5:05pm On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


You like trouble ooo lipsrsealed

You didn't correct me but attacked me. I'm still thinking of where I erred for you wanting to correct me.

Actually, I've never used the word 'Abrahamist' before.

Even among atheists, attitudes differ. So it is with other group of people. So don't be in a hurry to judge till the person has given you a reason to.

Your moniker interests me. I'll like to know the meaning and why the moniker. Is it 'joy against the world'?
That's right. Sorry for being that way. I was too hasty to pass a judgement due to the way I see Abrahamists. Humans are prone to emotional reactions where they ought to have been more rational, at times. It's one of the foibles of human nature that we can't help but deal with from time to time.

And your observation was correct. It's indeed joyContraMundum: "Joy against the world".

Contra mundum is Latin for "against the world". It denotes defiance of general opinion; persevering in the teeth of universal criticism, discouragement and hostility; standing against everything and everyone (that's on the wrong). It's associated with absolute but proud isolation, and often goes with fierce, unbreakable spirit, determination and principle. The term is often applied to mavericks, outsiders, renegades, heretics, freethinkers, blashphemers, apostates, radicals, dreamers, rebels, revolutionaries, all those who refuse to compromise, all those who refuse to accept the status quo. It means to defy everyone, to stand against everyone no matter what, to be resolute in the face of universal opposition and condemnation.

I'm contra mundum in the sense of standing against mainstream religion, mainstream science (scientific materialism!) and mainstream politics alike, and supporting the cause of reason and logic over faith, mysticism, relativism, empiricism, subjectivism and solipsism. I think this world is a madhouse, a cosmic prison planet and that everything about it needs to change, that all values must be revalued (as Nietzsche had realised), and all idols - especially those of religion, materialist science and politics - toppled. Humanity has always listened to false prophets and knelt to false gods. It's about time we entered the Age of Truth... which is simply the Age of Reason. Reason, and reason alone, takes us to the Truth.

How do you stop the world from being run by fools? How do you make the majority realise they are fools ('Cause they certainly are!)? How can you change the world for the better if you can never " get rid " (that's to prevent KingEbukasBlog from coming here to take that literally and accuse me of genocidal tendencies of the Stalinist magnitude. grin) of the fools who are the cause of the world changing for the worse? All contra mundum individuals are faced with the most intractable of problems. How can the Truth succeed in a world where the Lie is all-conquering?

Once you become contra mundum, you had better be strong because you will have far more enemies than friends. It's always lonely to be on the side of the Truth. Nothing is more popular and seductive than the Lie. The truth is pure reason, but the human race despises pure reason, and has no relationship with it. Humans relate to their feelings, faith, mystical intuitions, senses, subjective experiences and personal opinions. Reason doesn't get a look in. It's regarded as unreal, abstract and inhuman.

In Henrik Ibsen's play An Enemy of the People, Dr Stockmann said:

"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population - the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority"

"I'm plotting revolution against this lie that that the majority has a monopoly on the truth. What are these truths that always bring the majority rallying round? Truths so elderly they are practically senile. And when a truth is as old as that, gentlemen, you can hardly tell it from a lie."

Dr Stockmann is called an anti-hero, yet he's a true hero. The people are nothing without the Dr Stockmanns of the world (many of whom made human history - world historic figures of the utmost significance), without those who provide a moral compass, without those who fight for the Truth, despite the intense opposition they face from all those with a vested interest in the Lie.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 5:24pm On Nov 13, 2016
.....
Chai;

Another fable

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 5:43pm On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


I'm sorry dear but that's not how Christians should be. Who knows maybe that's why so many Christians are no longer Christians because they are afraid of the unknown. If we do lots of research we will find out the Bible is clearly against fear. You just have to respect God.


Anyways, the reason I quote you with so much confidence is because FEAR isn't my driving force but LOVE. I love God sooooo much, too much that I've given my all to Him and I'm not scared of tomorrow. I'm not even scared of death not to talk about hell. I'm not scared of what man can do to me or this body of mine.

The love for God, the hunger and thirst for God is my driving force. That's the secret to being a successful Christian.

I'm sure anyone whose driving force in Christianity is fear of the unknown and not love for God, it'll be hard for that Christian because it opens doors for the enemy to have the upper hand against him.

For God hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of power of love and of a sound mind .

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love .

Love and fear are mutually exclusive. If we have perfect love we will not fear. But if we have fear we do not have perfect love


To all the Christians here, fear is our greatest enemy.
A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God. I urge us to be like king David when he said he will not be afraid because his trust is in the Lord.

In Matthew 10, Jesus told us not to be afraid cos we are worth more than many sparrows.

Isiah 41:10
“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.

So my dear Christians, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”.

The secret is Love and not fear.

Love of God is what has been sustaining me and still sustains me in Him. I don't know if it's because I'm the type who loves hard, but I pray such love for God will not be taken away from me.

I love you Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all that is within me, and I pray you bless me with so much love for you so that nothing can separate me from your love.

My friend the unfortunate thing about Christianity is that you can find scriptures to back every thing up.

If you say love should be the motivation for Christianity then what do you have to say about scriptures that talk about hell and eternal torment. The crux of the Christian faith is saving humanity from eternal torment and damnation. Please is such an appeal not an appeal to run from danger and torture and embrace glory.

It is a typical carrot and stick approach. For you what is important now is your desire for god. But ask yourself what happens when that desire falters, when your desire to praise and worship reduces, when the troubles of life come?
You won't cease being a Christian because there is another motivation that should keep you in line which is avoiding the wrath of god. That motivation is fear, it kept the ancient Jews in Yahweh worship, kept the medieval Catholics in obedience to the Vatican, it keeps children in Islam, in Mormonism, in Christianity etc. That is the longest lasting and most reliable tool to keep people in religion.

Tell me the truth, how many people do you know that have such a desire to go to heaven?

In reality, many are not so freaked out by living and praising god forever, many don't want to live for more than a 1000 years, many find heaven to be a bit boring but there are surely some who want to be there and who want to know god. If churchgoing can serve as an indicator of how well people desire heaven then it goes to show that most people ain't enthusiastic about church services, many are not enthusiastic about gospel music that's why secular artists are the best selling. This shows that people are not really desiring the so called presence of god which also shows that many are not really desiring eternal fellowship in a heaven with god. But you might be the type that desires it.

But please tell me, do you know any human being that doesn't have a slight fear of hell or even fire. All mammals fear fire. The fear of hell is the strongest motivator and the most effective. It goes to show that many church goers are only there because they feel its the right thing to do to avoid the eternal wrath of god. If there was no doctrine of hell, you would see more freethinkers because people won't be scared to scrutinize Christianity.

This is what the medieval Catholics discovered that made them decide to twist and contort the new testament to create a fearful, terrible, horrendous doctrine of eternal damnation. That ploy elongated the lifespan of Christianity and also the length of the Catholic dominance of Europe. This psychological ploys work in every religion and Christianity isn't exempt.

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 5:52pm On Nov 13, 2016
flamingREED:


I'm not selfish, dear boy.
And my feelings are optimal.

But by the grace of Jesus in me,
I put my body under control.

And try and be more civil when next you quote my holy posts.
Excuse me, please. Lemme be clear about this. I fvcking hate political correctness. You want me to be polite? That's never gonna happen, neither am I gonna "watch my tone". I'm gonna be blunt about my inputs, and I do not give a flying fvck how they make you feel. If the truth hurts your feelings, then, too bad. I do not give a rat's bottom about that. If you don't like it then repudiate your evil beliefs. Abandon your horrific ideological leanings. They are too inhumane and unhealthy.

Turn your energies to helping humanity rather than wishing eternal suffering on others. The hell exists inside your own head, and for that I feel the greatest sympathy for you. I hope that you and all others who are gripped by this ongoing satanic nightmare can find release. Start reading books about other religions, about philosophy and science. Broaden your horizons. It is ignorance that keeps you in SATAN'S iron grip. Educate yourself. Become a positive person with a contribution to make rather than al ill-informed fanatic. You must be unhappy looking at the world through such distorted goggles that "reveal" demons everywhere - but all you're doing is looking inside your own head at the ghastly shadow contents of your own mind.

The last word must be left to Nietzsche. The closing words of his incendiary book The Anti-Christ are amongst the most powerful ever written:

With this I come to a conclusion and pronounce my judgement. I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian church the most terrible charge any prosecutor has ever uttered. It is, to me, the extremest thinkable form of corruption, it has had the will to the ultimate corruption conceivably possible. The Christian Church has left nothing untouched by its depravity; it has turned every value into a lie, and every integrity into baseness of soul. Let no one dare to speak to me of its "humanitarian" blessings! To abolish any state of distress whatever has been profoundly inexpedient to it; it lives on states of distress; it creates states of distress in order to externalise itself. . . . For example, the worm of sin: it was the Church that first enriched mankind with this state of distress!

To breed out of humanitas a self-contradiction, an art of pollution, a will to lie at any price, an aversion and contempt for all good and honest instincts! These are the blessings of Christianity! Parasitism as the sole practice of the Church; with its anaemic and "holy" ideals, sucking all the blood, all the love, all the hope out of life; the beyond as the will to deny reality; the Cross as the distinguishing mark of the most subterranean conspiracy there has ever been, - against health, beauty, well-being, intellect, kindness of soul - against life itself. . . .

Wherever there are walls I shall inscribe this eternal accusation against Christianity upon them - I can write in letters that even the blind will see... I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no expendient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty--I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind...

And mankind reckons time from the dies nefastus (unlucky day) on which this fatality arose - from the first day of Christianity! - why not rather from its last? - From today? - The revaluation of all values!

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Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by Nobody: 6:02pm On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:
@joycontramundum

Don't mind the selfish delusional christard.
Do they even think of the effect of their stupid faith, they expect all their ancestors, relatives, friends and even Muslim friends to burn forever in agony. It doesn't even move them one inch.

The minds that created the Christian god were wicked depraved , primitive minds. And that's why their creation still propagates in the minds of their believers. Christians are usually hypocritical, selfish, delusional etc.
Something built on a wrong foundation can never produce the right results.
Well said, bro. I'm in total agreement with this.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 6:54pm On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


I'm sorry dear but that's not how Christians should be. Who knows maybe that's why so many Christians are no longer Christians because they are afraid of the unknown. If we do lots of research we will find out the Bible is clearly against fear. You just have to respect God.


Anyways, the reason I quote you with so much confidence is because FEAR isn't my driving force but LOVE. I love God sooooo much, too much that I've given my all to Him and I'm not scared of tomorrow. I'm not even scared of death not to talk about hell. I'm not scared of what man can do to me or this body of mine.

The love for God, the hunger and thirst for God is my driving force. That's the secret to being a successful Christian.

I'm sure anyone whose driving force in Christianity is fear of the unknown and not love for God, it'll be hard for that Christian because it opens doors for the enemy to have the upper hand against him.

For God hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of power of love and of a sound mind .

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love .

Love and fear are mutually exclusive. If we have perfect love we will not fear. But if we have fear we do not have perfect love


To all the Christians here, fear is our greatest enemy.
A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God. I urge us to be like king David when he said he will not be afraid because his trust is in the Lord.

In Matthew 10, Jesus told us not to be afraid cos we are worth more than many sparrows.

Isiah 41:10
“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.

So my dear Christians, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”.

The secret is Love and not fear.

Love of God is what has been sustaining me and still sustains me in Him. I don't know if it's because I'm the type who loves hard, but I pray such love for God will not be taken away from me.

I love you Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all that is within me, and I pray you bless me with so much love for you so that nothing can separate me from your love.


Cool stuff.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 7:16pm On Nov 13, 2016
LiberaDeus:


My friend the unfortunate thing about Christianity is that you can find scriptures to back every thing up.

If you say love should be the motivation for Christianity then what do you have to say about scriptures that talk about hell and eternal torment. The crux of the Christian faith is saving humanity from eternal torment and damnation. Please is such an appeal not an appeal to run from danger and torture and embrace glory.

It is a typical carrot and stick approach. For you what is important now is your desire for god. But ask yourself what happens when that desire falters, when your desire to praise and worship reduces, when the troubles of life come?
You won't cease being a Christian because there is another motivation that should keep you in line which is avoiding the wrath of god. That motivation is fear, it kept the ancient Jews in Yahweh worship, kept the medieval Catholics in obedience to the Vatican, it keeps children in Islam, in Mormonism, in Christianity etc. That is the longest lasting and most reliable tool to keep people in religion.

Tell me the truth, how many people do you know that have such a desire to go to heaven?

In reality, many are not so freaked out by living and praising god forever, many don't want to live for more than a 1000 years, many find heaven to be a bit boring but there are surely some who want to be there and who want to know god. If churchgoing can serve as an indicator of how well people desire heaven then it goes to show that most people ain't enthusiastic about church services, many are not enthusiastic about gospel music that's why secular artists are the best selling. This shows that people are not really desiring the so called presence of god which also shows that many are not really desiring eternal fellowship in a heaven with god. But you might be the type that desires it.

But please tell me, do you know any human being that doesn't have a slight fear of hell or even fire. All mammals fear fire. The fear of hell is the strongest motivator and the most effective. It goes to show that many church goers are only there because they feel its the right thing to do to avoid the eternal wrath of god. If there was no doctrine of hell, you would see more freethinkers because people won't be scared to scrutinize Christianity.

This is what the medieval Catholics discovered that made them decide to twist and contort the new testament to create a fearful, terrible, horrendous doctrine of eternal damnation. That ploy elongated the lifespan of Christianity and also the length of the Catholic dominance of Europe. This psychological ploys work in every religion and Christianity isn't exempt.

I won't be surprised if your observation is an answer to a question that's been on my mind.

There is this song sang by Donnie Mcclurkin, it goes like this :

If there were no gates of pearl
If there were no streets of gold
If there was no other world
And a land where we won't grow old

I'm not thinking about those sights
Won't be there to enjoy the view
I think heaven will be alright
As long as Your there, as long as there is You

[Vamp:]
When we all get to heaven
What a day of rejoicing that will be
When we all see Jesus
We will sing and shout the victory

I love this song so much because it shows my desire of nothing else but Jesus, but God. I never would have been able to come up with those words on my own but it was so amazing the writer of the song felt the same way. That nothing else matters but Jesus


I remember suggesting using the song for ministration but many were against it, saying they don't want to go to heaven now. I was shocked because I felt all gospel love songs should be cherished by Christians.

I started wondering why since then. So I wouldn't be surprised if the answers can be found in your write ups.

Circumstances of life has never changed my love for God, that's why I know He's the one who has placed that love in my heart because I wouldn't have done that on my own. My life hasn't been that rosy, infact, I can say my life hasn't been rosy at all. I'm still waiting for it to be rosy even if it's just for a second. And believe me, I'm very hopeful in Him. And I also can't wait to share the expected testimonies here with everyone.

The love for God keeps me going, no matter what happens around me. Maybe it's because I've made the decision to love Him no matter what. There's this joy and peace I feel on the inside that comforts me. I feel that peace gives me direction because when it's like I'm about straying in any way, the peace tends to reduce. So that peace is like a traffic light to me. And it gives me so much joy to always feel that peace.

Love brings joy and peace. Love is the secret. Believe me I wouldn't want to hurt the one I love. And I'm grateful it's God I am in love with.

About hell, I wouldn't want to talk about it. Because my confidence in quoting you, my encouragement to have quoted you was gotten from my love experience for God and has nothing to do with hell.

I pray that if truly there's an Almighty God, if truly there's any God that bears the title God of all gods, may He reveal Himself to us, may He draw us closer to Him and may He give us the grace to draw closer to Him also. - to as many that are willing to know the true God.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by flamingREED(m): 7:27pm On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
Excuse me, please. Lemme be clear about this. I fvcking hate political correctness. You want me to be polite? That's never gonna happen, neither am I gonna "watch my tone". I'm gonna be blunt about my inputs, and I do not give a flying fvck how they make you feel. If the truth hurts your feelings, then, too bad. I do not give a rat's bottom about that. If you don't like it then repudiate your evil beliefs. Abandon your horrific ideological leanings. They are too inhumane and unhealthy.

Turn your energies to helping humanity rather than wishing eternal suffering on others. The hell exists inside your own head, and for that I feel the greatest sympathy for you. I hope that you and all others who are gripped by this ongoing satanic nightmare can find release. Start reading books about other religions, about philosophy and science. Broaden your horizons. It is ignorance that keeps you in SATAN'S iron grip. Educate yourself. Become a positive person with a contribution to make rather than al ill-informed fanatic. You must be unhappy looking at the world through such distorted goggles that "reveal" demons everywhere - but all you're doing is looking inside your own head at the ghastly shadow contents of your own mind.

The last word must be left to Nietzsche. The closing words of his incendiary book The Anti-Christ are amongst the most powerful ever written:

With this I come to a conclusion and pronounce my judgement. I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian church the most terrible charge any prosecutor has ever uttered. It is, to me, the extremest thinkable form of corruption, it has had the will to the ultimate corruption conceivably possible. The Christian Church has left nothing untouched by its depravity; it has turned every value into a lie, and every integrity into baseness of soul. Let no one dare to speak to me of its "humanitarian" blessings! To abolish any state of distress whatever has been profoundly inexpedient to it; it lives on states of distress; it creates states of distress in order to externalise itself. . . . For example, the worm of sin: it was the Church that first enriched mankind with this state of distress!

To breed out of humanitas a self-contradiction, an art of pollution, a will to lie at any price, an aversion and contempt for all good and honest instincts! These are the blessings of Christianity! Parasitism as the sole practice of the Church; with its anaemic and "holy" ideals, sucking all the blood, all the love, all the hope out of life; the beyond as the will to deny reality; the Cross as the distinguishing mark of the most subterranean conspiracy there has ever been, - against health, beauty, well-being, intellect, kindness of soul - against life itself. . . .

Wherever there are walls I shall inscribe this eternal accusation against Christianity upon them - I can write in letters that even the blind will see... I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no expendient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty--I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind...

And mankind reckons time from the dies nefastus (unlucky day) on which this fatality arose - from the first day of Christianity! - why not rather from its last? - From today? - The revaluation of all values!

You think I read rubbish?
My argument is that I'm free from evil doing.

When you attain such a state then I might be inclined to hear your counsel.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by bennyann: 8:03pm On Nov 13, 2016
joyContraMundum:
That's right. Sorry for being that way. I was too hasty to pass a judgement due to the way I see Abrahamists. Humans are prone to emotional reactions where they ought to have been more rational, at times. It's one of the foibles of human nature that we can't help but deal with from time to time.

And your observation was correct. It's indeed joyContraMundum: "Joy against the world".

Contra mundum is Latin for "against the world". It denotes defiance of general opinion; persevering in the teeth of universal criticism, discouragement and hostility; standing against everything and everyone (that's on the wrong) .

I'm impressed since it's against anything wrong. I'm yet to know what things are wrong to you.

I'm contra mundum in the sense of standing against mainstream religion, mainstream science (scientific materialism!) and mainstream politics alike, and supporting the cause of reason and logic over faith, mysticism, relativism, empiricism, subjectivism and solipsism. I think this world is a madhouse, a cosmic prison planet and that everything about it needs to change, that all values must be revalued (as Nietzsche had realised), and all idols - especially those of religion, materialist science and politics - toppled. Humanity has always listened to false prophets and knelt to false gods. It's about time we entered the Age of Truth... which is simply the Age of Reason. Reason, and reason alone, takes us to the Truth.

Heiiiiiiiiii, O Boy, you seem to be against meoooo. Please I beg you, don't let your joy be against me.

How do you stop the world from being run by fools? How do you make the majority realise they are fools ('Cause they certainly are!)? How can you change the world for the better if you can never " get rid " (that's to prevent KingEbukasBlog from coming here to take that literally and accuse me of genocidal tendencies of the Stalinist magnitude. ) of the fools who are the cause of the world changing for the worse? All contra mundum individuals are faced with the most intractable of problems. How can the Truth succeed in a world where the Lie is all-conquering?

This is serious ooo, you Don insult me on top. The day the fools will come for you, I won't be able to save you ooo lipsrsealed

Once you become contra mundum, you had better be strong because you will have far more enemies than friends. It's always lonely to be on the side of the Truth. Nothing is more popular and seductive than the Lie. The truth is pure reason, but the human race despises pure reason, and has no relationship with it. Humans relate to their feelings, faith, mystical intuitions, senses, subjective experiences and personal opinions. Reason doesn't get a look in. It's regarded as unreal, abstract and inhuman.

I'm sure you have more friends than I do. The way na plenty for nairaland ehn, my mouth cannot tell it all. cry


"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population - the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority"

"I'm plotting revolution against this lie that that the majority has a monopoly on the truth. What are these truths that always bring the majority rallying round? Truths so elderly they are practically senile. And when a truth is as old as that, gentlemen, you can hardly tell it from a lie."

Do you know God likes working with minority? He's more interested in minorities. He uses those in the minority more.

Except you want to tell me you understand the concept of "one with God is majority" and that's what you are against. Is it?

I want to thank you for replying me.
Re: An Atheist Encountered Powers In Dunamis; There Is God Ooooo by LiberaDeus: 8:08pm On Nov 13, 2016
bennyann:


I won't be surprised if your observation is an answer to a question that's been on my mind.

There is this song sang by Donnie Mcclurkin, it goes like this :

If there were no gates of pearl
If there were no streets of gold
If there was no other world
And a land where we won't grow old

I'm not thinking about those sights
Won't be there to enjoy the view
I think heaven will be alright
As long as Your there, as long as there is You

[Vamp:]
When we all get to heaven
What a day of rejoicing that will be
When we all see Jesus
We will sing and shout the victory

I love this song so much because it shows my desire of nothing else but Jesus, but God. I never would have been able to come up with those words on my own but it was so amazing the writer of the song felt the same way. That nothing else matters but Jesus


I remember suggesting using the song for ministration but many were against it, saying they don't want to go to heaven now. I was shocked because I felt all gospel love songs should be cherished by Christians.

I started wondering why since then. So I wouldn't be surprised if the answers can be found in your write ups.

Circumstances of life has never changed my love for God, that's why I know He's the one who has placed that love in my heart because I wouldn't have done that on my own. My life hasn't been that rosy, infact, I can say my life hasn't been rosy at all. I'm still waiting for it to be rosy even if it's just for a second. And believe me, I'm very hopeful in Him. And I also can't wait to share the expected testimonies here with everyone.

The love for God keeps me going, no matter what happens around me. Maybe it's because I've made the decision to love Him no matter what. There's this joy and peace I feel on the inside that comforts me. I feel that peace gives me direction because when it's like I'm about straying in any way, the peace tends to reduce. So that peace is like a traffic light to me. And it gives me so much joy to always feel that peace.

Love brings joy and peace. Love is the secret. Believe me I wouldn't want to hurt the one I love. And I'm grateful it's God I am in love with.

About hell, I wouldn't want to talk about it. Because my confidence in quoting you, my encouragement to have quoted you was gotten from my love experience for God and has nothing to do with hell.

I pray that if truly there's an Almighty God, if truly there's any God that bears the title God of all gods, may He reveal Himself to us, may He draw us closer to Him and may He give us the grace to draw closer to Him also. - to as many that are willing to know the true God.

You have a wonderful relationship on your mind[heart] with someone. If it brings out the very best in you then it shouldn't be an issue for anyone.

With my deep study of religious beliefs and behavior I can classify people in 2 groups ;

1. The people that want security - most human beings fall into this group, they want to feel safe from forced beyond their control and they are willing to do anything for that. Once they get to point of emotional stability and security then they have achieved peace and they won't risk it for anything. That stability might come from having a conviction that they are heaven bound, having a love for something or someone that erases anxiety etc. For people like this, the risk of discovering truth just doesn't appeal to them, why would they want to understand deeper philosophical and cosmological truths and in the process risk the beautiful security they have created for themselves. These people can end up religious even without being indoctrinated from childhood, they can become religious because the lure of something bigger and more powerful than themselves is so satisfying and it fills their desire for internal security.

2. The second group are the people who long for understanding and will stop at nothing trying to understand life unless they reach and insurmountable obstacle to their knowledge. People like this are similar to cats for which the phrase was coined " curiosity kills the cat". These people might achieve security internally and externally but any void or hole of knowledge must be filled, they will eventually not fill every void of knowledge[ that being impossible] but they will venture so far out of the normal intellectual barriers set by society that their mental sojourn will most likely leave them changed to a point of no correction.
These are the people that notice the flaws in their religion and never successfully ignore those flaws even when they want to , they can't ignore them because they have an insatiable desire to understand as long as they can grasp it. These people most likely end up as freethinkers no matter the level of indoctrination.


The members of the latter group are usually the leaders of new movements, the reformers of popular thought and philosophy. They mostly stand out and sometimes are vilified by the mainstream but later on their ideologies begin to grow. Almost all religious leaders like Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha were like that when they started. They reformed existing ideologies but the ironical thing is that their followers mostly being of the former group created a home in those ideologies and did not consistently reform them but used these ideologies as a form of internal and political stability. This thought reform process will continue occurring in history and modern day liberal Christianity and agnosticism are products of a thought reform process occurring at a more alarming pace because of the existence of the internet and free speech.

I have to commend you because unlike the other Christians here, you are not aggressive, judgemental and most importantly you don't play or the logical and mental gymnastics they perform just to avoid being debunked. It is a good spirit and I wish humanity had more of that. But you have to know that this your character is not Christian in nature no matter what your fellow Christians say, believing you are chosen to spend eternity in heaven and others will be fanned, also believing you know the king of kings and supreme creator of the universe always leaves a distasteful, arrogant, hypocritical character in the minds of Christians.

Thank you

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