honourhim:
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And since you were not there when the biblical events happened then you have no grounds to say it never happened.
I still make my point that those who are not on God's side will be punished in hell fire forever. I am not forcing anybody to believe and i cannot stop saying it because you don't believe in it.

And neither do you have any grounds to say it did happen.

@OP, and all christians who do not acknowledge Allah will burn FOREVER in the Muslim Hell!!!

honourhim:




Now you are saying there is no judgment in christianity. The next minute you will be angry that God said that sinners will be punished at last in hell fire.
Do u even have a stand?

Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

cloudgoddess:

And neither do you have any grounds to say it did happen.

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The bible is my grounds. And of course none of the men of the generations that wrote the bible came up with a counter book to tell us that what was written in the bible never happened. . And the book kept growing in popularity all these years . How come Its only people who lived after the bible generation that out of their evil mind started writing against it? I cant have confidence in such second or third hand info.
The old testament was written several centuries before the new testament yet there was no counter book that came up at that time. if you have any pls show me.
Again the new testament was written and no book came out at that time to tell us it was false. Christians have been going on pilgrimage at biblical historical sites till date. The world has not stood up to tell us that the pilgrimage sites we go to in Isreal has no such historical background as claimed in the bible.
If certain generations could produce intelligent men who wrote the bible why couldnt they produce intelligent writers who will counter the bible claims if they were false as you claim?

cloudgoddess:

Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

You are telling me what some pastors told you. I dont base my relationship with God on what pastor said.
I know what you are talking about. Some of them come here to tell me that if a christian commits adultery and dies on top of the woman he will still go to heaven. Foolish preachers.
Judgment awaits every sinner. Any christian who sin is a sinner too. Repentance and salvation is the way out for everyone. Yet people do suffer for their evil deeds while on earth even when they have repented.

cloudgoddess:

Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

Correction : Sin is anything that is against righteousness, all unrighteousness is sin. Any person who commits sin is a sinner. It's in the bible that though hands may be joined together (prayer) no sinner will go unpunished. Accepting Jesus as Lord and personal saviour doesn't mean the one won't recieve punishment for sins. An armed robber, rapist etc who repents, on restitution is to Go Back and confess to the victims what ever the victims or authorities punishment for the sin committed would be served. However in Heaven the moment a sinner accepts Christ, grace comes and erases past records. That however doesn't stop punishment but it saves from Hell, which is the second death. It is what the bible speaks of in," the soul that sinneths shall die"

Note that by man's standards of "good" doesn't guarantee salvation, on accepting Jesus would. Afterall the criminal crucified with Jesus who repented got saved but still served his punishment of being crucified.

For any man to then hide under the umbrella of Christianity to sin, and expect that grace would about? God would not be mocked... whether a "Christian" or not as long as He or she sins the person is going to Hell. So let no man fool you that because he is a Christian he can sin as long as he goes back to ask for forgiveness, God isn't mocked, Grace would not always be there, the person could die before having a chance to repent.

About the last part, that's grace for you, as long a who ever sins repents genuinely with a sorrowful heart, grace would abound. We are all sinners, in heaven whether a rapist, or armed rubber, or axe murderer, or a liar, or a cheater or corrupt politician etc, they are all the same. No big sin or little sin, sin is sin. However if true repentance is done all sins are forgiven, though the punishment for the sin would be there. The rapist could go to life imprisonment, the axe murdered would be punished by the law, the liar could loose friendship, trust nd opportunity, the corrupt politician could be arrested by efcc and jailed nd lose all his money.

honourhim:


You are telling me what some pastors told you. I dont base my relationship with God on what pastor said.
I know what you are talking about. Some of them come here to tell me that if a christian commits adultery and dies on top of the woman he will still go to heaven. Foolish preachers.
Judgment awaits every sinner. Any christian who sin is a sinner too. Repentance and salvation is the way out for everyone. Yet people do suffer for their evil deeds while on earth even when they have repented.

Exactly, a lot of false prophet, pastors and preacher are leading and have led a lot of people to hell with unsound doctrine. May God have mercy on us all.

Millex:

Correction : Sin is anything that is against righteousness, all unrighteousness is sin. Any person who commits sin is a sinner. It's in the bible that though hands may be joined together (prayer) no sinner will go unpunished. Accepting Jesus as Lord and personal saviour doesn't mean the one won't recieve punishment for sins. An armed robber, rapist etc who repents, on restitution is to Go Back and confess to the victims what ever the victims or authorities punishment for the sin committed would be served. However in Heaven the moment a sinner accepts Christ, grace comes and erases past records. That however doesn't stop punishment but it saves from Hell, which is the second death. It is what the bible speaks of in," the soul that sinneths shall die"

Note that by man's standards of "good" doesn't guarantee salvation, on accepting Jesus would. Afterall the criminal crucified with Jesus who repented got saved but still served his punishment of being crucified.

For any man to then hide under the umbrella of Christianity to sin, and expect that grace would about? God would not be mocked... whether a "Christian" or not as long as He or she sins the person is going to Hell. So let no man fool you that because he is a Christian he can sin as long as he goes back to ask for forgiveness, God isn't mocked, Grace would not always be there, the person could die before having a chance to repent.

About the last part, that's grace for you, as long a who ever sins repents genuinely with a sorrowful heart, grace would about. We are all sinners, in heaven whether a rapist, or armed rubber, or axe murderer, or a liar, or a cheater or corrupt politician etc, they are all the same. No big sin or little sin, sin is sin. However if true repentance is done all sins are forgiven, though the punishment for the sin would be there. The rapist could go to life imprisonment, the axe murdered would be punished by the law, the liar could loose friendship, trust nd opportunity, the corrupt politician could be arrested by efcc and jailed nd lose all his money.

Good submissions. As if both of us read each other's post before writing but we never did.
God bless you.

Salvation came through Jesus, we repent and are saved, Restitution is however need after repentance that what ever we have stolen we return with interests, whoever we have offended we go back and seek forgiveness, who we killed seek forgiveness from the family. No one said it would be easy but getting to final rest in Heaven is the ultimate goal. The earth is temporary, where would you spend your eternity, believe it or not Heaven and Hell is real.

honourhim:


Good submissions. As if both of us read each other's post before writing but we never did.
God bless you.

The Almighty works in mysterious ways

Heb 4:2 - For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.

I pray the Holy Spirit melts every heart of stone so the word can find root nd grow...

Millex:
Salvation came through Jesus, we repent and are saved, Restitution is however need after repentance that what ever we have stolen we return with interests, whoever we have offended we go back and seek forgiveness, who we killed seek forgiveness from the family. No one said it would be easy but getting to final rest in Heaven is the ultimate goal. The earth is temporary, where would you spend your eternity, believe it or not Heaven and Hell is real.

100% correct. Remain blessed.

Millex:

An armed robber, rapist etc who repents, on restitution is to Go Back and confess to the victims what ever the victims or authorities punishment for the sin committed would be served.

So human law inforcement is responsible for bringing Christian criminals to justice. Not god. Thanks for proving my point.

About the last part, that's grace for you, as long a who ever sins repents genuinely with a sorrowful heart, grace would abound.

If they repent to Jesus. Only Jesus. This "grace" is only applicable to the Christian faith. Or would the same work for someone who prays to Krishna for forgiveness?

the person could die before having a chance to repent.

And that's only a matter of chance. It's obviously unfair if one murderer gets to repent before he dies and goes to heaven, while his partner in crime gets killed before he can and goes to hell. How is such a setup moral in any way?

cloudgoddess:

So human law inforcement is responsible for bringing Christian criminals to justice. Not god. Thanks for proving my point.


If they repent to Jesus. Only Jesus. This "grace" is only applicable to the Christian faith. Or would the same work for someone who prays to Krishna for forgiveness?


And that's only a matter of chance. It's obviously unfair if one murderer gets to repent before he dies and goes to heaven, while his partner in crime gets killed before he can and goes to hell. How is such a setup moral in any way?

Law enforcement is the enforcement of law on earth, and they are instrumental to God in punishing of crime committed. There's nothing like a christian criminal that I know off, if you mean a criminal who became a christian? If he/she truely repented, he would accept his punishment nd renounce his ways of the past. It's because of grace thunder isn't striking everyone who sins, imagine if thunder or fire consumed every sinner how the earth would look like... it would be charred and empty. Grace is what is saving us now, but grace won't abound for ever, so let no man take it for granted.

To answer your second question, let me take you to acts 4:10- then know this, you and all the people of israel(and the world): it is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom you crucified but whom God raised from the Dead, that this man stands before you healed. Let me then take you further to verse 12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to man by which we must be saved.
So asking krishna for forgiveness doesn't give salvation.

For your third question note that God isn't happy with the destruction of any sinner, that's why he sent his only Begotten Son to come as Abrahams seed to give us salvation. Grace is unmerited favour, no one deserved to be saved but Jesus still came to die for our sins that's grace. Note however that we can't continue in sin and expect that grace may abound, sin hardens the heart.. as Heaven is sad wen a soul is lost so is devil angry when a sinner repents. I doubt he would let go of a sinner without a fight thus hardening of heart

Millex:

Law enforcement is the enforcement of law on earth, and they are instrumental to God in punishing of crime committed. There's nothing like a christian criminal that I know off, if you mean a criminal who became a christian? If he/she truely repented, he would accept his punishment nd renounce his ways of the past. It's because of grace thunder isn't striking everyone who sins, imagine if thunder or fire consumed every sinner how the earth would look like... it would be charred and empty. Grace is what is saving us now, but grace won't abound for ever, so let no man take it for granted.

To answer your second question, let me take you to acts 4:10- then know this, you and all the people of israel(and the world): it is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom you crucified but whom God raised from the Dead, that this man stands before you healed. Let me then take you further to verse 12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to man by which we must be saved.
So asking krishna for forgiveness doesn't give salvation.

For your third question note that God isn't happy with the destruction of any sinner, that's why he sent his only Begotten Son to come as Abrahams seed to give us salvation. Grace is unmerited favour, no one deserved to be saved but Jesus still came to die for our sins that's grace. Note however that we can't continue in sin and expect that grace may abound, sin hardens the heart.. as Heaven is sad wen a soul is lost so is devil angry when a sinner repents. I doubt he would let go of a sinner without a fight thus hardening of heart

Another brainwashed human, Krishna doesn't forgive sins? How do you know this? Did you ever pray to him and he didn't answer you?

He quoted the BuyBull to defend his god, then used the same BuyBull to put down another god entirely

I'm sure if Indians colonised us, you would use the Krishna way to put down Yahweh

hopefulLandlord:


Another brainwashed human, Krishna doesn't forgive sins? How do you know this? Did you ever pray to him and he didn't answer you?

He quoted the BuyBull to defend his god, then used the same BuyBull to put down another god entirely

I'm sure if Indians colonised us, you would use the Krishna way to put down Yahweh

Well thank God they didn't colonise us then. Who am I to defend God, I only stated the Gospel Goodness, there is no other name on earth by which we should be saved. So why would I need to pray to krishna. If I need to defend God then who would defend me when I need saving?

Niflheim:
@OP, and all christians who do not acknowledge Allah will burn FOREVER in the Muslim Hell!!!

Leave Muslims to come and defend their belief. Face your atheism.

sweetyme001:
Thousands years later books about
Harry Potter will be called
AN HOLY BOOK, people will
believe he was real and kill
anyone who disagrees..

Wrong!!!! No one kills for nor call Shakespeare's plays holy books
Don't confuse fiction with facts

Proffdada:

Wrong!!!! No one kills for nor call Shakespeare's plays holy books
Don't confuse fiction with facts

To cut the long story short!!! Lets test for the hypotheses " there is no relationship between bible and facts
there is a relationship between bible and facts!!! lets substitute facts with miracle i.e how your Jesus saved and performed miracle!!! And ur bible clearly stated that God of the old time is still God of the new time i.e Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever!!! If the bible is factual as you claimed why not Go to a near by mosque just like one woman in Abuja and start shouting repent Jesus loves you!!! lets if your Jesus will save you!!! just like the same way text on Harry potter will not save anybody in the nearest 1000000000 years.

sweetyme001:
To cut the long story short!!! Lets test for the hypotheses " there is no relationship between bible and facts
there is a relationship between bible and facts!!! lets substitute facts with miracle i.e how your Jesus saved and performed miracle!!! And ur bible clearly stated that God of the old time is still God of the new time i.e Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever!!! If the bible is factual as you claimed why not Go to a near by mosque just like one woman in Abuja and start shouting repent Jesus loves you!!! lets if your Jesus will save you!!! just like the same way text on Harry potter will not save anybody in the nearest 1000000000 years.

I guess you didn't read also in the Bible that Christians shall be persecuted for their faith. It's never a new thing if Christians are killed but the end justifies the means

Proffdada:
I guess you didn't read also in the Bible that Christians shall be persecuted for their faith. It's never a new thing if Christians are killed but the end justifies the means

It won't be bad if you are persecuted for the sake of your master Jesus or you no longer trust your holy book again!!

sweetyme001:
It won't be bad if you are persecuted for the sake of your master Jesus or you no longer trust your holy book again!!

I think you don't understand what I'm saying
I just told you what Jesus Christ himself said according to the scriptures. Or maybe it's too hard for you to understand

The funniest part of this Atheism, is that satan is even smarter than Atheists, atleast satan believes in God;

James 2:19 KJV: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and TREMBLE ".

You people just spew any rubbish that enters your mouth. Who and who are defending the bible? Who is defending Christianity? Do you know why unlike Islamic countries, christian laws do not govern any country? That is because Christianity is the most tolerant religion. That is why even U.S.A with all the founding fathers being Christians and being founded on christian laws and doctrines isn't governed by christian laws. Christianity is always open to scrutiny and criticisms. Our God doesn't need anyone to defend him.

You can keep fooling yourself but there's nobody "drowning" anything like you're postulating. Gosh!!

ZUBY77:


Unfortunately for Harry Porter, Those who defend the Bible won't allow that to happen.
They already succeeded in Drowning a lot of stories that could have challenged them.
The ones standing are just Koran and Science.
Others cant fight anymore.

When thousands of archeological evidence have been proven to support biblical descriptions over several decades , No? The joke is on you girl.

cloudgoddess:

And neither do you have any grounds to say it did happen.

Geez!! Really?

Before jumpin into conclusions, you must first do your research so as not to sound ignorant.

In christianity, anyone at all - be it pastor or Reverend, bishop or Pope, deacon or deaconess, regional overseer or general overseer, usher or chorister will fave judgment for every single indulgence of sin. In other news, you can be used by God genuinely for 100 years, but once you fall from grace and start doing evil, you WILL NEVER EVER inherit the kingdom of GOD.

It is written clearly that God is not a respecter of persons. In fact the bible clearly states that pastors and preachers will face a stricter judgment because they know the truth.

That being said, God knows our weaknesses and will not withhold forgiveness from us if we "genuinely" ask because Jesus already paid the price with his blood. That He forgives us always (grace) is not a license to sin. Anyone who dies in their sin CANNOT inherit God's kingdom. All a sinner needs do is repent fully and develop a relationship with God. then and only then will that lifestyle of sin be disconnected from him.

Once again, hell fire is not only for people who do not accept Christ. If you accept Christ and go back to your sin, then hell fire is for you too.

cloudgoddess:

Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

Bless you!!

honourhim:

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The bible is my grounds. And of course none of the men of the generations that wrote the bible came up with a counter book to tell us that what was written in the bible never happened. . And the book kept growing in popularity all these years . How come Its only people who lived after the bible generation that out of their evil mind started writing against it? I cant have confidence in such second or third hand info.
The old testament was written several centuries before the new testament yet there was no counter book that came up at that time. if you have any pls show me.
Again the new testament was written and no book came out at that time to tell us it was false. Christians have been going on pilgrimage at biblical historical sites till date. The world has not stood up to tell us that the pilgrimage sites we go to in Isreal has no such historical background as claimed in the bible.
If certain generations could produce intelligent men who wrote the bible why couldnt they produce intelligent writers who will counter the bible claims if they were false as you claim?

Did anyone say it was a bad thing?

41 So they departed from the presence of the council , rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.

Persecution didn't start today. Muslims have been persecuting Christians in the middle east and world over. It will not get better, it will only get worse but we are not moved.

sweetyme001:
It won't be bad if you are persecuted for the sake of your master Jesus or you no longer trust your holy book again!!

honourhim:

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If the tenets guiding islam is that of peace then its peaceful.
That a few people are making it look violent doesn't mean it is not peaceful.

Islam in never a peaceful or peace loving religion. Tenets or no Tenet, that's why middle east the headquarter of Islam is the most unpeaceful place in the whole world.

Wherever Islam or its adherents enters peace leaves. Because they don't have the Prince of Peace.

Please read their books and see if its tenets are peaceful.?

Omudia11:
When thousands of archeological evidence have been proven to support biblical descriptions over several decades , No? The joke is on you girl.

Where?

Omudia11:

Anyone who dies in their sin CANNOT inherit God's kingdom.

Right, which means as long as you pray before dying, regardless of what you did in the past you are good. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

All a sinner needs do is repent fully and develop a relationship with God. then and only then will that lifestyle of sin be disconnected from him.

Until they sin again. Then pray again. Then sin again. Then pray again.

Girl, you lack comprehension. Grace is not a license to sin. You cannotco to sin simply because you feel "God will always forgive", No! God "hates" sin. A sinner who dies in his sinful nature will go to hell. If that wayward sinful life is still in you ie, if you still love what you do and die in it whether you asked for forgiveness, you will go to hell because God cannot be deceived. He already knows you plan on going back to your sin soon.

cloudgoddess:

Right, which means as long as you pray before dying, regardless of what you did in the past you are good. That's exactly what I'm talking about.


Until they sin again. Then pray again. Then sin again. Then pray again.

There's Google, national Geo, discovery. Cure your ignorance!

cloudgoddess:

Where?