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subnormal:
This line about aliens coming to mine gold for their atmosphere, in the ancient past, is widely repeated by Ancient Astronaut theorists. In fact it’s become something of a foundational idea in the movement. This idea traces directly back to Zecharia Sitchin and has absolutely nothing to do with Sumerian texts.

It’s interesting to note that Sitchin doesn’t even give a place in the Sumerian texts to justify this notion that they needed gold for their atmosphere. He says the following in his book “The Wars of Gods and Men”:

“The metal, with its unique properties, was needed back home for a vital need, … as best as we can make out, this vital need could have been for suspending the gold particles in Nibiru’s waning atmosphere and thus shield it from critical dissipation.” (emphasis mine)

So he says ‘as best as we can make out’. Who is ‘we’? And what texts would even hint at that idea. He creates this idea of gold particles being needed in a planet’s atmosphere out of nowhere.

Nowadays you can do a word search for the uses of the word “gold” in the Sumerian texts.[11] We can read every mention of this word.

Not only are the mentions of the word gold relatively few in the Sumerian texts, there is nothing to indicate anything but the most ordinary uses for gold[12]. In fact It’s a surprisingly boring study.

Thanks to meticulous cataloging of the Sumerian texts over the last few decades, and the advent of the internet, we no longer have to take people like Sitchin’s word for it.

Heiser: “There are some databases online that allow you to search through Sumerian texts, and I have a video on my website sitchiniswrong.com. If you go there and click on the Annunaki tab I will show you how to search through something called the electronic text corpus of Sumerian literature. I will show you how you can search for all the occurrences of the word Annunaki and then click through the English translations of all those occurrences. You can find this material and I would encourage you to do so because you can check up on Zecharia Sitchin; you can check up on me.

When I claim that there are no texts [and] there are no tablets that have, for instance, the Annunaki on Nibiru or associated with Nibiru; that Nibiru isn’t a planet beyond Pluto, how easy would it be to prove me wrong if you knew how to search for those terms? It would be real easy, and I encourage you to check up on me and everybody else and do the work. You can access this material and know who’s telling you the truth.”

We can finally see for ourselves why the Sumerian scholars have been so critical of Sitchin, not because they are too close minded or anything like that, but because Sitchin really doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about.

Let me give you an example of how Sitchin comes up with his “amazing” translations.

Let’s take this idea that the Sumerian texts speak of mining gold. Now since the Sumerian texts do not speak of mining gold in any way, Sitchin has to construct this idea out of thin air. This is how he did it:

Let’s look at a quote from his first book “The Twelfth Planet”:

“Some Mesopotamian hymns to Ea exalt him as Bel Nimiki, translated “lord of wisdom”; but the correct translation should ‘undoubtedly be “lord of mining.”

In classic Sitchin style he never gives any reason that the “correct translation should ‘undoubtedly be “lord of mining.” He just says it should be and leaves it at that.

Again, we have Sumerian dictionaries written by the scribes themselves, and the Sumerians don’t agree with Sitchin here at all, so why should we?

I think one way to demonstrate how bad of a translation this is, is to read a little about Ea’s or Enki’s wisdom in context, and let you see if it makes sense to you as meaning wisdom or if it really means mining.

This is an example from a Sumerian text called Enuma Elish:

HE WHO UNDERSTANDS ALL
The Wise One,
The Great One,
EA who Knows ALL THAT IS,
Perceived the Plot.
He countered it
With a Powerful Spell.

Not only does it describe his wisdom further by saying “he who understands all” but it also says that because of this wisdom he was able to perceive a plot before it happened and counter it. None of what we just read makes sense if “wisdom” means mining.

Or from the same epic:

EA,
Who knows ALL THINGS,
Knew he could not Defeat
KINGU and the Hosts of TIAMAT.

Here again we see a contextual definition of Ea’s knowledge. He knows all again, and we see this knowledge helped him understand that he could not defeat Kingu.

These are not isolated descriptions of this knowledge; Ea is the god of wisdom for a reason. Nothing said about him makes sense if his knowledge means mining, or even knowledge about mining. All the stories about him highlight his great understanding, and conversely there isn’t even a hint that he cares a lick about digging for gold or anything else…it’s just not there. It requires an ignorance of the Sumerian texts in order to be believed.

Let’s move on to another claim about the Annunaki:

AA: “Virtually every story that’s in Genesis – the flood story, the Adam and Eve story – all have precedents with the ancient Sumerians. The story that came down to the Sumerians is that the Annunaki were mining gold on the Earth and the run-of-the-mill workers complained saying: ‘This is really hard work and we’re tired. We don’t want to do this anymore’ and so they had a big council and they decided to create a primitive worker called an Adamou. The Annunaki created humans as a slave species.”

The first thing to be aware of here is that in the epic of creation that they are referring to here, the God’s weren’t mining gold. The work that the gods were doing is creating the world, kind of what you would expect from a creation epic.

It even specifically states that they were making mountains and rivers, such as the Tigris and Euphrates. [13]The gods here were tired of creating the earth not gold mining.

The epic goes on to describe the following events:

· The gods decide to mix up themselves with clay and make man.
· As the version of men they made increased in number, the noise they made angered the gods.
· They decide to kill them off with a flood.
· One man is instructed to build a boat.
· He put animals on it.
· It rains for seven days and seven nights.
· The man and his family are saved.

There are many similarities between these Sumerian writings and to the biblical accounts of the creation of man and Noah’s flood.

Some people think this is due to the writers of the Bible copying the earlier Sumerian writings. This is problematic because even the critics who specialize in this style of ancient literature say there is no evidence of literary borrowing[14], in fact just the opposite. They propose that they must be referring to a common source for the information.

One paper by A. Heidel, A.R. Millard and D. Damrosch concludes this way:

“Literary dependence cannot be demonstrated. Here, as in most of the parallels in the primeval history, it is considered more likely that Mesopotamian and biblical traditions are based on a common source. Some understand this common source to be a piece of more ancient literature, while others consider it the actual event.’ Hill & Walton, ‘A Survey of the Old Testament’, p. (2010).

Add to this that it is not just the Sumerian texts and the bible that are talking about the same basic story, but obvious elements of this story can be found in almost every early culture, regardless of its location.

Take for example the story of Viracocha in South America.

Viracocha created the heavens and the earth. He then took large stones and breathed life into them. But they became giants, so he sent a flood to wipe them out. After the flood he breathed into smaller stones than the first time thereby creating smaller people, which were then scattered all over the world.[15]

And in the bible, in Genesis 6 we see something similar. The Sons of God disobeyed God, they came to earth had sex with human women, producing giants called Nephilim. The Nephilim over time almost eliminated the original human population, and this is one of the reasons that God sent the flood.[16]

These stories are found in some form in cultures as geographically separated as you can get. They are in China, Europe, the Middle East, they are found in Native American traditions, in South America and many others.xvii

The similarities are too obvious to simply dismiss. Things like 8 people being on the boat are mentioned in a good percentage of these stories.[17]

I personally think that all these cultures are drawing from the same original story, a story that was told only one way, and that as migrations happened from this original group they started adding in details that were more locally important to them. But that each of these cultures sincerely believed they were passing on the true account of the origin of humanity to their descendants as this story was told.

Ironically if you take it at face value, if there was really a flood and all people except for the ones on the boat were destroyed, and if most modern cultures were descended from them, the fact that the entire world seems to have inherited the same story would make sense, because they essentially had the same eight ancestors who experienced such a dramatic event, and made it a point to pass the story to each generation.

I propose that something like this really did happen in ancient history. I don’t see any logical way around it. The question I have is which, if any of these accounts, is closest to the truth?

Ancient Aliens tells us that the Sumerian version is closest to the truth because they were recorded earlier. That makes sense to a point, but we have to remember that the events described in the Sumerian texts were still ancient history to the Sumerians. So the question is not so much about the date of the writing, but rather their ability to preserve the story.

I’ll give you a few very good reasons to seriously doubt that the Sumerian accounts should be given more weight where they differ from the others.

The first is that the Sumerians stories are not logically consistent.

Take for example that in both the Sumerian and Biblical accounts, dimensions for the boat are given.

The mere fact that an important part of this story is the dimensions of the boat is interesting, but when you draw out the dimensions, you have on the one hand the Sumerian boat, being a big cube, and the biblical one being described by naval engineers as nearly perfect for maintaining stability without hull damage in incredibly rough seas.[18]

Another reason not to trust the Sumerian texts where they differ from the others is that, as every Sumerian scholar knows, the Sumerians constantly change the details of their stories to suit the different situations.

For example, texts of the same story found in the temple of Enki will differ from ones found in the temple of Innana, even if they are from the same time period, but especially if they’re from a different time period. To quote one Sumerian scholar:

“Inconsistencies are a regular feature of Sumerian poetry.”

He goes on to say that “integration of different texts [by the Sumerian scribes] often appear somewhat careless.”[19]

Compare that with the ancient Hebrew scribes, who were notorious for taking their job ultra-seriously. They had many rules that governed their coping of their sacred texts. For example, it is said that they would have to speak every letter out loud before committing it to paper.[20][21]

One example of a vindication of this meticulous attention to detail is with the Isaiah scroll found in the Dead Sea scrolls.

The earliest copies of the Hebrew Old Testament before the Dead Sea Scrolls were the Masoretic texts which were copied between the years 600-1000AD. So the Isaiah scroll, one of the best preserved scrolls, would be a way to prove or disprove if their scriptures had been faithfully copied by the scribes during the previous 800 years. As it turned out they did a flawless job and the Hebrew scribes were vindicated.[22][23]

So when deciding which texts are more accurate as it relates to their accounts of ancient events it is far more logical to assume that the group with a tradition of accurate preservation and transmission of their texts should be given more weight than a culture like the Sumerians who seemed to have little interest in the accurate transmission of the details of their stories.

To sum up, almost everything that Ancient Aliens says about the Annunaki is untrue, which is not surprising considering they copy and pasted almost everything in this section from the books of Zecharia Sitchin.

For more information about Sitchin’s errors in his translations of the Sumerians and Arkaddian texts, I will direct you to the excellent website of doctor Michael Heiser ‘Sitchiniswrong.com’.

Source... http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/anunnaki/

freecocoa:
Yea right.

Ranks007:
You are just confined to your mind thinking that experiences gotten from others are irrelevant. Scientist who go on astral project are known occultic fellows whose projection are secured and safe guarded by rites done to wade off dangerous and offensive spirits as they put it.

but for a newbie whose knowledge about the spiritual meagre, a missed step can cause her to locked up on the plane by malevolent spirits or the silver cord severed and that will
be the end....without precaution and guide abi?

HenryDion:
My dear, you know nothing about astral projection.

armadeo:
Educate us

HenryDion:
Research about it.. i've got no time and please, stop arriving at lame conclusion when you're ignorant of a thing.

Marvel1206:
Have you for once done astral projection?

HenryDion:
My dear, you know nothing about astral projection.

HenryDion:
Yes i have. It wasn't easy i must say cause i find it hard to remain focus or mediate without thoughts running through my mind. It was during a moment of desperation was i able to and believe me, my perception of life was permanently altered. Astral projection is very safe.. Your only enemy is yourself.

HenryDion:
Research about it.. i've got no time and please, stop arriving at lame conclusion when you're ignorant of a thing.

Marvel1206:
Wow! Willing to share details of your adventure?

HenryDion:
It wasn't all that smooth cause everything was strange and fear was my companion all through. it was my first time though. i was like an air, so light like a feather and pretty faster than anything imaginable. I felt like i can do anything.. Before embarking on this journey, my only aim was to see my late mum again. I met her and surprisedly, she has moved on. The other dimension is so much like earth in activities but entirely different in terms of abilities. Before i could successful project, it took me months cause my imagination of demons keep haunting me even in the astral world. But when you get rid of that demon mindset, you become free. That's why i said, your enemy is yourself.

Eleniyan15:
bro what are necessary step someone has,to take before embarking on this journey

HenryDion:
It wasn't all that smooth cause everything was strange and fear was my companion all through. it was my first time though. i was like an air, so light like a feather and pretty faster than anything imaginable. I felt like i can do anything.. Before embarking on this journey, my only aim was to see my late mum again. I met her and surprisedly, she has moved on. The other dimension is so much like earth in activities but entirely different in terms of abilities. Before i could successful project, it took me months cause my imagination of demons keep haunting me even in the astral world. But when you get rid of that demon mindset, you become free. That's why i said, your enemy is yourself.

HenryDion:
It's all about meditation, tuning the mind into a state of peace and calmness. Getting rid of all thoughts and focusing on your breath which also help in letting go of tensions. Not forgetting, you must have a destination in mind. There are a lot of guides on wikihow and youtube.. check them out.

Marvel1206:
Intruiging! As at now, can you astral project anytime you wish? Did you communicate with your mum? How did you locate her?

Marvel1206:
Intruiging! As at now, can you astral project anytime you wish? Did you communicate with your mum? How did you locate her?

HenryDion:
Astral projection is fun.. I can project at will but mainly after a stressful day at school lol.. It's been long i communicate with my mum though. I don't plan to even do that again cause we both have to moved on. But if I want to locate her, i just visualize meeting her and WAAM, am there. Very easy . Your mind does all the work..

Marvel1206:
So are you literally disconnected and physically numb when astral projection is ON? It takes how many minutes?
Sorry for the questions, just trying to satisfy my curiousity

Ranks007:
Its ok. Thats why you there is need to encounter Jesus and know Him personally to have anwers to lifes issues.

Wgen Christ was on earth He told His disciples not to worry about His leaving that He will ask the father and another Comforter will come Who will teach them all truth.

Did that really mean there was/is another well able to fill in the capacity of comforting us as Jesus did Yes.

Same with that Passage Gen 1:26;

God Almighty created Jesus as his Son first....Jesus is the first born of all creations. For there after creating universe and all that is in The Godhead said to His Son who is the Word of God.....John 1:1

Let us make man...John further states down that without Him 'Jesus' was nothing made.

Ranks007:
Are you well versed in this? No I doubt

Billyonaire:
I am a venture capitalist, I dont work, My money works for me. My annual capital gains from my portfolios and stakes in several ventures are enough re-invest in high margin areas that will earn great returns on investments even during recession.

I am not Dangote and Dangote is not me. I am billyonaire. My job is to read, thats all I do, then I make phone calls to only people that matter.

Just thought I should clear that up. Mr. Nobody.

Billyonaire:
I am a venture capitalist, I dont work, My money works for me. My annual capital gains from my portfolios and stakes in several ventures are enough re-invest in high margin areas that will earn great returns on investments even during recession.

I am not Dangote and Dangote is not me. I am billyonaire. My job is to read, thats all I do, then I make phone calls to only people that matter.

Just thought I should clear that up. Mr. Nobody.

Billyonaire:
To understand REINCARNATION, lets get back to Planet X, Nibiru and the Anunnakis.

First Exploration was Gold. When the slave race was created to mine gold, we had to be recycled since we are expected as robots to store data on our memories. It will be easier to teach those who already have experience to continue and it will be easier for those who have ideas of how to use computer to be reminded. Anunnakis our creator God, decided that its best to put up a satellite station in orbit to recycle the source energy packed with memory to keep coming back instead using fresh source energies, you might wanna use soul if you choose to. So, dimensions and Hierarchies were created. Such that if you die, you arrive at Destiny Station and it is made so compelling that you want to come back to earth on your free will, to continue the slave work. Without it being your free will, they will break a higher cosmic code of imprisoning free energy. The cycle of Birth, Death and Rebirth was perfected. Even when you die, you will be trying to figure out what God is. Those people on the other side, you do not have to trust 100% what a spirit tells you, as it is here so it is there. So you have opportunity to know the truth here.