Seun:
Albert Einstein was a pantheist, not a deist. Richard Dawkins regards pantheism as "sexed-up atheism".

he believed in "God" a creator. a designer.

what you are saying is a firm if religion here and am not talking about religion but God

whatever you call it. but he denied atheism.

very simple.

Seun:
Albert Einstein was a pantheist, not a deist. Richard Dawkins regards pantheism as "sexed-up atheism".

Pantheism is nothing like atheism . Pantheism says the universe is their god

Mr AE rejected Pantheism

http://deism.com/einstein.htm

I had to bring this from a deist's site before I'd be accused of bias .

“The ultimate reason of things must lie in a necessary substance, in which the differentiation of the changes only exists eminently as in their source; and this is what we call God.”
“Whence it follows that God is absolutely perfect, since perfection is nothing but magnitude of positive reality, in the strict sense, setting aside the limits or bounds in things which are limited.”


–Gottfried Leibniz, the German mathematician and philosopher (1646-1716) who founded calculus (concurrently with Isaac Newton). Leibniz also made major early contributions to physics.

AngelsAndStars:
“I have looked into most philosophical systems and I have seen that none will work without God.”
“Science is incompetent to reason upon the creation of matter itself out of nothing. We have reached the utmost limit of our thinking faculties when we have admitted that because matter cannot be eternal and self-existent it must have been created.”


—Physicist and mathematician
James Clerk Maxwell , who is credited with formulating classical electromagnetic theory and whose contributions to science are considered to be of the same magnitude to those of Einstein and Newton.

Yet the ARMCHAIR atheists like Seun think they know what these people dont. True great minds see a creator and intelligent design in everything but what do irrational people see?...

Kingebukasblog help me with an answer.

“There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all. . . It seems as though somebody has fine tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe. . . The impression of design is overwhelming.”


–Physicist Paul Davies, mentioned above.

AngelsAndStars:
he believed in "God" a creator. a designer.

what you are saying is a firm if religion here and am not talking about religion but God

whatever you call it. but he denied atheism.

very simple.

The smartest minds distanced themselves from atheism . While the smart minds became atheists because of life's circumstances like Alan Turing ,Richard Dawkins and so many others . And those who are atheists may have had no knowledge of Deism .

“Let me say that I don’t see any conflict between science and religion. I go to church as many other scientists do. I share with most religious people a sense of mystery and wonder at the universe and I want to participate in religious ritual and practices because they’re something that all humans can share.”


—Sir Martin Rees, the British cosmologist and astrophysicist who has been Astronomer Royal since 1995 and was the president of the Royal Society between 2005 and 2010. Rees is the winner of the Crafoord Prize (which is the most prestigious award in astronomy), amongst many other awards.

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

–Albert Einstein

4everGod:



Yet the ARMCHAIR atheists like Seun think they know what these people dont. True great minds see a creator and intelligent design in everything but what do irrational people see?...

Kingebukasblog help me with an answer.

Well if you know his story , you'd conclude that it has nothing to do with Logic and reasoning . His posts are always against religion - prayers , speaking in tongues , bible stories . And I'm like if you reject religion , what about deism ?

“When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it’s very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it.”


—Physicist Tony Rothman, former post-doctoral fellow at Oxford University

“When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.”
“From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”


—Professor of Mathematical Physics Frank Tipler, author of The Physics of Christianity and The Physics of Immortality. Tipler is one of the two founders of the famous anthropic principle regarding the fundamental physical constants necessary for the origin of life. He became a Christian as a result of his science.

Atheists see God as what religion says. they are angry with religious god.

but what if God actually is different from how religion portrays?

look up those great scientists, could they all be wrong? these are men that has done research and are well respected

AngelsAndStars:
“When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it’s very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it.”

—Physicist Tony Rothman, former post-doctoral fellow at Oxford University

Prestige and acceptance is what is keeping most of them from admitting it.

KingEbukasBlog:
I had to bring this from a deist's site before I'd be accused of bias .

This is a highly illogical statement. A deist site is not an objective source for the claim that Einstein is a deist.

According to an actual objective source, Wikipedia,

Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.[1][2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

Seun:

This is a highly illogical statement. A deist site is not an objective source for the claim that Einstein is a deist.

According to an actual objective source, Wikipedia,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

Does it matter what Einstein believed in? The fact remains he was not crazy and stupid enough to be an Atheist. Great minds see the complexity yet order in the universe as not simply being a product of pure chance. Like Newton said , we know about gravity but nobody can say what set the planets in motion at precisely the right speed.

Seun you are not close to being as smart as Einstein or Maxwell or any of the other great minds. Heck Dawkins is like a houseboy when compared to these guys. Yet you think you know something they dont?

What really is the problem Seun? Deep down you believe some parts of the Bible and you cannot say for sure that God does not exist. I think even you are still searching for answers to who you really are but in the middle of all that something made you push away from Religion but it sure was not due to an intelligent quest.

Seun:

This is a highly illogical statement. A deist site is not an objective source for the claim that Einstein is a deist.

According to an actual objective source, Wikipedia,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

Wikipedia is not an objective source .

The deist site also quoted their source " The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press

AE said : "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist"

I don't know why the emboldened text is always omitted .

The fact is he acknowledged a designer. he said he believed in a kind of God. that wins it.

the fact that he distanced himself from atheism says it all.

4everGod:


Does it matter what Einstein believed in? The fact remains he was not crazy and stupid enough to be an Atheist. Great minds see the complexity yet order in the universe as not simply being a product of pure chance. Like Newton said , we know about gravity but nobody can say what set the planets in motion at precisely the right speed.

Seun you are not close to being as smart as Einstein or Maxwell or any of the other great minds. Heck Dawkins is like a houseboy when compared to these guys. Yet you think you know something they dont?

What really is the problem Seun? Deep down you believe some parts of the Bible and you cannot say for sure that God does not exist. I think even you are still searching for answers to who you really are but in the middle of all that something made you push away from Religion but it sure was not due to an intelligent quest.

Seun views God through religion because he rejects religious beliefs so I think he feels this somehow questions the existence of God . Seun why don't you consider deism ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Wikipedia is not an objective source .

The deist site also quoted their source " The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press

AE said : "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist"

I don't know why the emboldened text is always omitted .

Ebuka this is not even about Einsteins leaning. its the fact that he just could not bring himself to be called an atheist based on what research and intelligence revealed to him. He saw Beauty, complexity, order in the midst of all that, he saw purpose, design, balance, Things that nature could not bring about on its own without an external influence.

Its like sitting in a stationary car and hoping the car would suddenly begin to move on its own and navigate corners and dodge potholes without a driver in it or a remote external influence. Its simply absurd to think this way.

4everGod:


Ebuka this is not even about Einsteins leaning. its the fact that he just could not bring himself to be called an atheist based on what research and intelligence revealed to him. He saw Beauty, complexity, order in the midst of all that, he saw purpose, design, balance, Things that nature could not bring about on its own without an external influence.

Its like sitting in a stationary car and hoping the car would suddenly begin to move on its own and navigate corners and dodge potholes without a driver in it or a remote external influence. Its simply absurd to think this way.

AE : "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."

KingEbukasBlog:


AE : "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."

Indeed our senses are inadequate to appreciate it!

4everGod:



Indeed our senses are inadequate to appreciate it!

True

4everGod:


Does it matter what Einstein believed in? The fact remains he was not crazy and stupid enough to be an Atheist. Great minds see the complexity yet order in the universe as not simply being a product of pure chance. Like Newton said , we know about gravity but nobody can say what set the planets in motion at precisely the right speed.

Seun you are not close to being as smart as Einstein or Maxwell or any of the other great minds. Heck Dawkins is like a houseboy when compared to these guys. Yet you think you know something they dont?

What really is the problem Seun? Deep down you believe some parts of the Bible and you cannot say for sure that God does not exist. I think even you are still searching for answers to who you really are but in the middle of all that something made you push away from Religion but it sure was not due to an intelligent quest.

he is not even up to a dust to those great minds.

LMAO

KingEbukasBlog:


Wikipedia is not an objective source .

The deist site also quoted their source " The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press

AE said : "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist"

I don't know why the emboldened text is always omitted .

noted to avoid being hardmirrored

Albert Einstein's reasoning on the existence of a personal God is fallacious . He said : "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty."

The emboldened text is an appeal to common sense fallacy - this renders his position on a personal God illogical .

4everGod:


Ebuka this is not even about Einsteins leaning. its the fact that he just could not bring himself to be called an atheist based on what research and intelligence revealed to him. He saw Beauty, complexity, order in the midst of all that, he saw purpose, design, balance, Things that nature could not bring about on its own without an external influence.

Its like sitting in a stationary car and hoping the car would suddenly begin to move on its own and navigate corners and dodge potholes without a driver in it or a remote external influence. Its simply absurd to think this way.

Good!

KingEbukasBlog:


True

This thread is rather sobering to a THINKING atheist. I can actually sense Seun doing some deep reflections right now. Its only logical to do so. Even as us believers we are counselled to check ourselves daily to see if we are still in the faith.

Threads like this is meant to make a thinking atheist reflect on why they really chose to disbelieve in God and if it makes sense at the end of the day. Is there fulfillment, is there true justification, is there real value, is it sensible?

If they do i am sure the answer would reveal itself to them. Armchair atheism is a walking talking disaster.

jonbellion:

*understatement
If you want to throw insults do it right

Go buy a dictionary

Seun:


We are lucky to have been born centuries after Isaac Newton died, so we know many things about the universe that Isaac Newton didn't know.

Oh really? Please tell me more!

AngelsAndStars:
“When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.”
“From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”


—Professor of Mathematical Physics Frank Tipler, author of The Physics of Christianity and The Physics of Immortality. Tipler is one of the two founders of the famous anthropic principle regarding the fundamental physical constants necessary for the origin of life. He became a Christian as a result of his science.

This why the Christian God, is the real and authentic God.

For those who always ask which God is the real one.

LaClicKLaBenDin:



This why the Christian God, is the real and authentic God.

For those who always ask which God is the real one.

there is no real God or fake. religions are channels to get to the creator.

the only religion I dislike is Islam. it's philosophy is archaic and they never want to change it.

AngelsAndStars:
there is no real God or fake. religions are channels to get to the creator.

the only religion I dislike is Islam. it's philosophy is archaic and they never want to change it.

I beg to differ with you on this. Jesus is the only channel to the creator, and that's what it is.

They're fake gods, but my God is the God of them all.