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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 2:05pm On Dec 18, 2016
brocab:
We have left you to your own league, only because you have no other place to go-liars stick with liars, and we the truth stays with the truth.
Part of the truth you know is:
1. Jesus is the Almighty God.
2. That the spirit being on the left hand side of Jesus is of no use to mankind.
3. That Jehovah means Lord.
4. That 1 Corinthians 11:3 has no basis whatsoever in modern day Bible verses since Jesus is the Almighty God he(Jesus) simply cannot have a head as well.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m):
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 2:57pm On Dec 18, 2016
brocab:
What is the difference between a video and someone writing on this page-you don't believe in the bible any way.
difference between video and this thread.
1. you can discuss on points brought forward on this thread, you can't discuss with a video
2. you can ask questions, seek better explanations with someone posting on this thread, you can't do it with a video.



So what makes you true to your words, everything you have written has caused an argument between the Word Of God and your father the devil.
It's the scriptures brocab, the scriptures helps us to know if our words are true or false. For example I've used to scriptures to identify who the only true God, the one true God is, I quoted where he was identified in the scriptures, where the scriptures directly, without modification, without indirect analogy call this person the only true God, the one God, our God. adding anything extra to those direct words would only resort to falsehood.
You do not accept who the scriptures say and directly identifies as the only true God, you do accept who the disciples call our one God!

The only problem you have-you don't reason very well, even after the answers are written down, you are to blind to see them, reason, because they are not written in your Magazine.
I've never seen anyone who would go to any lent so as not to answer simple questions in the way it was asked like you are trying to do.
There was a time I asked you to explain up to like 10 scriptures, every time I asked you to explain them, you vehemently refuse.

And the fact is, it is not a lie-but the truth. JW's are not allowed to study any other bible's, nor with anybody out side their organisation, but only their own.
Why because the organisation are afraid to loose their fiances.
STOP LYING BROCAB!

you yourself can see that you still refuse to quote psalms 83: 18 from the kjv.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:12pm On Dec 18, 2016
achorladey:
The son of Man Stephen saw while he was stoned to death, was he in the primary or secondary nature?
answer that question yourself
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:19pm On Dec 18, 2016
achorladey:
Another reasonable question for you to answer if you can. Did the woman of samaria see Jesus as God? Who did Jesus christ say he was to the woman?
Answer your stupid question yourself. How does this relate to what I posted.
U pull up a single verse and use it to anull other verses.
I bet you already know that Jesus is the Almighty God cause you couldn't falter it. Keep living in denial
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:28pm On Dec 18, 2016
achorladey:
I now see your total lack of comprehension of the scriptures 1 Corinthians 15:28. Your yes just proves your falsehood in its highest degree imaginable. One thing for sure, in your quest to make Jesus the Almighty God you increasingly make Jesus a liar. Think!!! Even some of your peers will be in shock towards your '' Yes'' response.
I guess you read the bible upsidedown.I knew you would be shocked by the truth. Jesus is Almighty God
U know nothing about the bible.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:36pm On Dec 18, 2016
Barristter07:
Brocab




you said Jesus gives himself power but as stated in Daniel 7:13,14 and 1 Cor 15:27 which proves there is " one who subject all thing to him [Jesus] " . telling us you are either deliberately lying or sleeping when u wrote that statement. grin


there is another silly idea in your post above , Yahweh MEANS Lord .

If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :

1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?


we Christians know that Yahweh is Lord, so don't give yourself headache for that.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:42pm On Dec 18, 2016
dolphinheart:
difference between video and this thread.
1. you can discuss on points brought forward on this thread, you can't discuss with a video
2. you can ask questions, seek better explanations with someone posting on this thread, you can't do it with a video.




It's the scriptures brocab, the scriptures helps us to know if our words are true or false. For example I've used to scriptures to identify who the only true God, the one true God is, I quoted where he was identified in the scriptures, where the scriptures directly, without modification, without indirect analogy call this person the only true God, the one God, our God. adding anything extra to those direct words would only resort to falsehood.
You do not accept who the scriptures say and directly identifies as the only true God, you do accept who the disciples call our one God!


I've never seen anyone who would go to any lent so as not to answer simple questions in the way it was asked like you are trying to do.
There was a time I asked you to explain up to like 10 scriptures, every time I asked you to explain them, you vehemently refuse.


STOP LYING BROCAB!

you yourself can see that you still refuse to quote psalms 83: 18 from the kjv.
shame on you dolphinheart, everyone knows you are the liar.
You are becoming more absurd by the day. Facts are presented to you which you always ignore only to start your usual accusation.
If the scriptures call yahweh the only true God does it not make other gods false gods? Yet you cannot answer. Shm
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 3:44pm On Dec 18, 2016
brocab:
I don't know how you think Dolphinheart-your mind is else where-when trying to understand the scriptures. Where do you get this rubbish from?
I got it from the scriptures and it is not rubbish, jesus did give up his spirit and the scriptures said so. In providing a ramsome sacrifice, jesus gave his life and died, this are not derived statements , this are directs statements from the scriptures which you cannot refute or give contrary explanation.

Dolphinheart-2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT
You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you.
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
King James Version
Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER YOURS, look another verse on the same issue
yes the above are true, jesus died after giving up the ghost (as said in kjv), it did not say jesus was still alive but only his flesh died.
resurrection is for the dead!

3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE
It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE.
FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY. huh
another true fact supported by the scriptures.

In your bid to run away from the scriptures you can't explain , you removed some scriptures I quoted to you when you typed my own post in your reply
1.  do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

2. but we know that the scriptures and Jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures.
1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.

Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.


From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!

If Jesus didn't give up His Spirit-then why did God raise Him up from the dead {Acts 2:24, 1 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 8:11} {Mark 16:19} After the Lord had spoken unto them {Disciples} He was received up into heaven.
No one said jesus did not give up his spirit, therefore your question is off point.
God raised jesus from the dead because jesus was dead!

shame on you brocab, in other to hide a very important point from Mark 16:19, you refused to fully quote it, you are full of dubious behaviours.
King James Bible
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

WE ALL KNOW FULLY WELL THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF!

We all know also that JESUS ascension to heaven to meet his God, our God, the only true God, the most high God, occurred after his resurrection, not while he was dead!

So you believe Jesus no-longer exist-once He gave up His Spirit that's it "finished?
as a person yes, the scriptures says when your spirit goes out, your thoughts perish!

I say not bad for a dead man-after He was crucified, and He was later seen by His disciples, "alive" and living, and God had taken Him up unto Heaven, and Jesus sits on God's right hand side?
Your dubious ways wunt allow you to acknowledge that jesus resurrected from the dead before he was later seen alive and living. you keep denying the fact that jesus gave his life in exchange for us.

You still try avoid The questions and refuse to explain the scriptures shown to you.

THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM.
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1


below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, [color=blue]so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by seeromy(m): 4:46pm On Dec 18, 2016
I am a JW ,and I thank all with their honest and sincere comment ,if you have any Bible question, pls post it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:04pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
you cant stop accusing me wrongly. Can you point out a single question that i didnt answer?
Dolphinheart Jesus is the Almighty all being bow at the mention of his name and someday you will bow either in peace or in pieces God has sworn it. Leave that darkness you call jehovah witness God is pleased when you honor and worship his son rejecting Jesus means incuring God's full and undiluted wrath.
For he that accept not the Son makes God a liar because he believed not on the son.
I did not accuse you wrongly , and I'll prove it by pointing to questions I've asked you and you did not answer

(1.) 12:24am On Dec 01
[b]A. "the scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is?"

B. "Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?"
C. "what the difference between begotten son and son?"
D. "brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?"

(2) 3:41pm On Nov 26
A. "if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?"


(3)  11:47am On Nov 13
A. "Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
explain the above verse!"
B."De 10:17 For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, and awe-inspiring, who treats none with partiality and does not accept a bribe.
Is Jehovah a God of false God's? answer : NO!, So who are the gods that Jehovah is a God of?"

(4) : 1:20pm On Nov 10
A.. "Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?"
B "so which heaven was that verse talking about?"
C "who did that verse identify as our God?"
D "who did Jesus identify as the only true God?"

pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
E. "did Jesus say he and the father are one God? No"
F. "Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes"
G. "does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No"
H. "did Jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes"
I. "Does this mean they become God? no?"
J. "does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No"


K." you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important."

L."pls snow where I said " the devil is God"

M. "I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?"[/b]

The evidence of questions I asked you and you refused to answer, plus the date and time they where asked on this thread are provided above. Note that they are listed and numbered. pls post where you answered each one and the answer you gave so that all can see if you answered or tried to divert from answering.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:13pm On Dec 18, 2016
brocab:
No one can remove, what you haven't written down in the first place, lies upon lies is always the case with your kind of so called Christian.
Jehovah Witnesses are not baptised, are "NOT" Baptised in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, Jehovah Witnesses are required to agree that in addition to dictating their life to Jehovah their dedication identifies them as a Jehovah Witness in association with God's Spirit-dictated organisation.
No-wonder you don't write anything-we could remove in the first place..
are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:26pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
shame on you dolphinheart, everyone knows you are the liar.
and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lied

You are becoming more absurd by the day. Facts are presented to you which you always ignore only to start your usual accusation.
give me one instance of facts given that I ignored.
If the scriptures call yahweh the only true God does it not make other gods false gods? Yet you cannot answer. Shm
I've answered you and I will answer you again, the answer is no!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:29pm On Dec 18, 2016
Try proving your evidence before blaming-That is right he doesn't do it-because you don't write anything in the first place.
dolphinheart:
are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
So you are saying Yahweh doesn't mean Lord-then I have the rights to say you recognise Jehovah as God-then you call Him God God..
Look up the true meaning to Yahweh in your dictionary?
Barristter07:
Brocab




you said Jesus gives himself power but as stated in Daniel 7:13,14 and 1 Cor 15:27 which proves there is " one who subject all thing to him [Jesus] " . telling us you are either deliberately lying or sleeping when u wrote that statement. grin


there is another silly idea in your post above , Yahweh MEANS Lord .

If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :

1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?


Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:41pm On Dec 18, 2016
Answer them again?
dolphinheart:
and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lied


give me one instance of facts given that I ignored.


I've answered you and I will answer you again, the answer is no!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
How sad-you are about to face the condemnation of Hell, but Join in-and make a mockery out from yourself, like the rest of you fools do. Lie like the wind-come and settle your non Christian beliefs to the world..
Tell us why you sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, and yet you refuse Him {1 Peter 3:15}
Tell us why in {Jude 1:9} When Michael the archangel had a dispute against the devil-Michael couldn't rebuke him, but Ask the Lord Jesus to rebuke Him for Michael.
How can this be? When the JW's believe Jesus is Michael the archangel in the flesh? So who is this other Michael the archangel? And who is the Lord who can rebuke the devil huh
JW's believe the Lord is Jehovah..Not Jesus...And did God walk this earth...
seeromy:
I am a JW ,and I thank all with their honest and sincere comment ,if you have any Bible question, pls post it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
Jesus body died-but not His Spirit..
And God raised up His body from the dead...Seen by the disciples and of course we can't forget Thomas who said My Lord and My God, and Jesus didn't rebuke him, they also seen Jesus going up into the clouds.
If Jesus isn't God-Then who is {Isaiah 9:6} talking about-For a Child is born, and a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulder, His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
Who carries this description? "Jehovah God" Was it He who came into this world in the flesh? Or was it Emmanuel?
dolphinheart:
I got it from the scriptures and it is not rubbish, jesus did give up his spirit and the scriptures said so. In providing a ramsome sacrifice, jesus gave his life and died, this are not derived statements , this are directs statements from the scriptures which you cannot refute or give contrary explanation.


yes the above are true, jesus died after giving up the ghost (as said in kjv), it did not say jesus was still alive but only his flesh died.
resurrection is for the dead!


another true fact supported by the scriptures.

In your bid to run away from the scriptures you can't explain , you removed some scriptures I quoted to you when you typed my own post in your reply
1.  do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

2. but we know that the scriptures and Jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures.
1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.

Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.


From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!


No one said jesus did not give up his spirit, therefore your question is off point.
God raised jesus from the dead because jesus was dead!

shame on you brocab, in other to hide a very important point from Mark 16:19, you refused to fully quote it, you are full of dubious behaviours.
King James Bible
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

WE ALL KNOW FULLY WELL THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF!

We all know also that JESUS ascension to heaven to meet his God, our God, the only true God, the most high God, occurred after his resurrection, not while he was dead!


as a person yes, the scriptures says when your spirit goes out, your thoughts perish!



Your dubious ways wunt allow you to acknowledge that jesus resurrected from the dead before he was later seen alive and living. you keep denying the fact that jesus gave his life in exchange for us.

You still try avoid The questions and refuse to explain the scriptures shown to you.

THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM.
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1


below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, [color=blue]so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:09pm On Dec 18, 2016
It is only your say, you are to blind to see the truth who Jesus is-I suppose you couldn't keep up with the times only because you can't keep up with your own lies upon lies you give, when loosing the battle.
Listen you will never win against the Word of God-He has already won the battle.

How many times do we write scripture upon scripture-that's written Jesus is the Son of God.
How many times have we proven to you Jesus said I and the Father are One? How many times-was Jesus referred too-to be God in the flesh, a Child is born, and He shall be called Emanuel "Meaning God with us"..How many times have I written down {Isaiah 9:6} A Son is born, a Child is given, a child-who is called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The prince of Peace..
And their is no other God besides Me. Then who gave the Child these names above?..
dolphinheart:
I did not accuse you wrongly , and I'll prove it by pointing to questions I've asked you and you did not answer

(1.) 12:24am On Dec 01
[b]A. "the scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is?"

B. "Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?"
C. "what the difference between begotten son and son?"
D. "brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?"

(2) 3:41pm On Nov 26
A. "if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?"


(3)  11:47am On Nov 13
A. "Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
explain the above verse!"
B."De 10:17 For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, and awe-inspiring, who treats none with partiality and does not accept a bribe.
Is Jehovah a God of false God's? answer : NO!, So who are the gods that Jehovah is a God of?"

(4) : 1:20pm On Nov 10
A.. "Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?"
B "so which heaven was that verse talking about?"
C "who did that verse identify as our God?"
D "who did Jesus identify as the only true God?"

pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
E. "did Jesus say he and the father are one God? No"
F. "Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes"
G. "does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No"
H. "did Jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes"
I. "Does this mean they become God? no?"
J. "does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No"


K." you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important."

L."pls snow where I said " the devil is God"

M. "I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?"[/b]

The evidence of questions I asked you and you refused to answer, plus the date and time they where asked on this thread are provided above. Note that they are listed and numbered. pls post where you answered each one and the answer you gave so that all can see if you answered or tried to divert from answering.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m):
brocab:
Try proving your evidence before blaming-That is right he doesn't do it-because you don't write anything in the first place.
ill show you evidence
look at my post on 4:28pm On Dec 13 then look how it was heavily edited with deliberate removal of scriptures when he quoted that post on 1:33am On Dec 14

the quote below is my post, the parts in red are the parts that was removed so that he could respond
As expected, you refused to answer the questions even after it was asked several times.

If one goes through the thread , their are many questions you refused, to answer, many scriptures you refused to explain when you are being called upon to explain them, why?, cus you know that given an answer or explanation
will point you out as a false teacher. Hence you always try to change the issues every time.
simple questions are asked , they are in order, all numbered for easy identifiction, yet you can't answer them.

1 .How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) hisSon Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


You have decided to divert the issue from John 5: 20, you think that listing a number of scriptures will help you out, let's see if they do , or if they expose you further.


Yes , we believe that God's son is jesus, but you have said several times on this thread that jesus is not the son of God!. can you see how you flip flop on your doctrine?, how false your teachings are?.



You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God, the scriptures helps us to identify who that true God is, I follow the scriptures identification, you do not!, you have formulated another true God for yourself, different from the God the disciples, scriptures and even jesus himself identified as God, the one true God and our God.

JESUS HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS
[b]1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.


THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO JESUS IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, ]who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.[]

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1




If you had read the scriptures very well, you would have understood who created the heavens and earth and who he used to do the creation.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;




You have a long way to go brocab, because you think two people have similar titles it means they are the same person, you know that that is wrong analogy cus you will refuse to use it on all cases in the scriptures where two persons have same titles. Jehovah himself calls a babylonian king "king of kings" (Eze 26:7), does this mean that this king is jesus?, absolute not! so stop using similarities in titles whenever it suits you, refusing to look at what the scriptures say about those titles.


Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:



brocab, the writer of exodus, deut and isaiah did not use the word "ego eimi" , the word is Greek and they did not write in Greek, so stop lying!

ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμί Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) "I am", "I exist",is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek.

you listed scriptures where jesus used that word in a sentence, you could not quote the full sentence, cus it will show how much of a dubious person you are.
If the use of "ego eimi" means that that person is God, then John the babtist is "I AM" (matt 3: 11), and the army officer is also " I AM" ( MATT 8: 8 ).
brocab, can you see how the scriptures exposes false , derived teachings, your theories are selective and cannot be allied in all cases!


Brocab, read the scriptures and know why jesus is judge, it was because God apointed him to be a judge!

joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”


you open the bible, searching for points you think supports your theory, you do not read to understand. searching for similarities does not help!. Jesus would not have been judge if his father, the only true God , had not appointed him to judge.



Again you refuse to read the scriptures, who made jesus king, his father , his God !
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, []and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father
Lu 1:33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:



IF YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW JESUS CAME TO BE KING
Da 7:13, 14“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.14 [e]And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.



Who do you think appointed jesus as savior, who do you think sends savior to save us, it is the father, the God of mercies, JeHovah.
Ne 9:27For this you gave them into the hand of their adversaries, who kept causing them distress. But they would cry out to you in the time of their distress, []and you would hear from the heavens; and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.

Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.


JUST AS NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THOSE DAYS, JEHOVAH TOO HAD SENT JESUS TO SAVE US
King James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that []the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

King James Version
Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour,for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


no wonder jesus knew the true source of our saving acts, he knew who to pray to, follow his lead!
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when []he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Go read up on the word " Shepherd and how the scriptures used it, even those who lead in the congregation are called Shepherdsomething, does it mean they are God, No!.
God gave his followers to jesus, jesus took care of God's sheep!


You case is getting desperate brocab. You are just looking for similarities , refusing to read the scriptures extensively with an open mind. The scriptures below will help you.
Isa 45:7I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

1Jo 1:5This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him.

Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

Ps 36:9With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light.

From the above scriptures I hope you see who is the source of light.

let's see what that person who is the source of light say about jesus when he prophesied about his servant he will send.
Isa 42:6, 7“I, Jehovah, have called you in righteousness; I have taken hold of your hand. I will safeguard you and give you as a covenant for the people And as a light of the nations, 7For you to open the blind eyes, To bring the prisoner out of the dungeon And those sitting in darkness out of the prison.

Can you see how Jehovah, the source of light made jesus to be a light of the world? Read Isa 9:1, 2, Mt 4:13-16.

someone said while jesus was a baby
[b]Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said:
Lu 2:29“Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration,
Lu 2:30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation
Lu 2:31that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples,
Lu 2:32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”

Even if you think being a light of the world means you are God , it means those jesus was talking to in the verse below are God too!, and we all know it's false
[b]Mt 5:14“ You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.


yes , case is really closed. Go and read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities!

Jesus has a God superior to him, his father who he is subjected to, he calls his father his God, and he had Identified the father as our God too, the only true God. do not change who jesus says is the only true God, do not add to it!
BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW LEVEL YOU AND YOUR BROTHER HAD RESORT TO, YOU HAD TO ALTER MY POST, EDITING OUT A LARGE PART OF IT,(ALL THOSE WRITTEN IN RED)EXPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN SCRIPTURES THAT EXPOSES YOU SO THAT YOU REPLY.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:39pm On Dec 18, 2016
Solite3

solite3:
we Christians know that Yahweh is Lord, so don't give yourself headache for that.
the post you quote discuss the statement Yahweh means Lord NOT Yahweh is Lord, Yahweh is Lord is different from Yahweh Means Lord , so learn to comprehend well next time sir grin grin
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 8:41pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
answer that question yourself
How do you expect me to answer the question? Aren't you the person that said Jesus had a primary and secondary nature?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:44pm On Dec 18, 2016
Brocab

brocab:
So you are saying Yahweh doesn't mean Lord-then I have the rights to say you recognise Jehovah as God-then you call Him God God..
Look up the true meaning to Yahweh in your dictionary?
Do you now admit Yahweh means Lord is a false statement ?


If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :


1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 8:54pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
I guess you read the bible upsidedown.I knew you would be shocked by the truth. Jesus is Almighty God
U know nothing about the bible.
For your own mind bah, keep revelling in you lack of comprehension of the scriptures.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 9:05pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
Answer your stupid question yourself. How does this relate to what I posted.
U pull up a single verse and use it to anull other verses.
I bet you already know that Jesus is the Almighty God cause you couldn't falter it. Keep living in denial
Let me tell what I know Exodus 6:3, Daniel 7:13 Psalms 83:18. Who is the Almighty? Who is the Most high? Who is ancient of days, What is his name? Simple question deserve simple answers....... JEHOVAH.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Simple question his name JEHOVAH his son's name Jesus christ. I have answered my stupid question. What else!!!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 9:20pm On Dec 18, 2016
solite3:
I guess you read the bible upsidedown.I knew you would be shocked by the truth. Jesus is Almighty God
U know nothing about the bible.
Even Agur the son of Jakeh knows far more than you know. Shaking my head for you.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Emusan(m): 10:59pm On Dec 18, 2016
achorladey:
From the statement, it seems you dont really understand my question. If you cant follow the instruction attached to the question. Please look elsewhere. It is not a compulsory question Oga.
You asked questions and I said I'm ready to answer them but before I do that can you just say Yes or No to my simple question?

Very simple because the question I asked you will be used to buttress my answer to yours!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
I asked you a question? So I expect you to answer it. What is the meaning to Yahweh "YHWH" in your own words tell us who is Yahweh.
Just a little history here, because of God's name being so holy that the fear of mispronouncing it, Israel preferred to use the substituted the word "odonay" {Lord} for YHWH when reading from the Torah..
Using "Yahweh as Jehovah" any church that uses Jehovah is misinformed and using this name for God is unbiblical..
Barristter07:
Brocab



Do you now admit Yahweh means Lord is a false statement ?


If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :


1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:22pm On Dec 18, 2016
No-one like you knows the bible well enough, none of you are like solite3 who himself is a true man of God..
achorladey:
Even Agur the son of Jakeh knows far more than you know. Shaking my head for you.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:45pm On Dec 18, 2016
Then you must know {1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up in glory..
You also must know {Isaiah 9:6} For a child is born, a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulders, His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The God Mighty, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
And of course last of all, surely you had missed this one-{Revelations 1:7-8} Behold He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pieced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen..
I Am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, say's the Lord, who is and who was, and who is to come. Almighty...
Lets not forget no-one has seen God at anytime, so who is this stranger with great power coming in the clouds?
achorladey:
Let me tell what I know Exodus 6:3, Daniel 7:13 Psalms 83:18. Who is the Almighty? Who is the Most high? Who is ancient of days, What is his name? Simple question deserve simple answers....... JEHOVAH.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Simple question his name JEHOVAH his son's name Jesus christ. I have answered my stupid question. What else!!!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:06am On Dec 19, 2016
dolphinheart:
are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?
lie lie dolphinheart, crying again-still

of course I remove much of your confusion from your post
and reply to the things I want to talk about

what a lie lie false accuser
but when you lie you are talking naturally
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:15am On Dec 19, 2016
dolphinheart:
and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lie
I'm sure bro like me could fill posts of all your lies if we wanted to waste the time looking back

one instance you say, OK off the top of my head recently you posted that it's not Jesus talking in certain revelation
verses, I showed you that it indeed was Jesus talking, and of course you could not admit your wrong.

there's one instance lie lie dolphinheart
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