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LightandDarkness:
Jacobs wives Rachel and Leah were his cousins hence incest.

Exodus 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years. Moses and Aaron products of incest

Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. If miriam is Aarons sister isn't she also moses's sister? Therefore their relationship was incest.

Instead of asking why atheists don't support incest maybe the theists should ask themselves the dame question. And also ask why God didn't condemn any of this

availableisme:
I know about evolution and it does not explain everything contrary to what you might think. Its still a hypothesis in the works. Statistically randomness cannot produce order so lets not go there.

If Natural selection is true then why did it not also deal with anger and hatred and bitterness since they are all emotional driven same way incest, homosexuality and sodomy are?

availableisme:
Did enoch commit incest?

LightandDarkness:
That is not the situation in ever case however, if the girl is a 12/13 year old (at this age girls can infact be pregnant btw) who willingly and consciously accepts that she is about to be married to an adult and is aware of the "obligations" Why is it a problem when the bible doesn't condemn it?

Societal laws always determine what is right or wrong, this is not exclusive to atheists or theists. If you as a christian ignored the laws of society you would be out putting gay people to death. Just because society accepts something as right doesnt necessarily make it right

shadeyinka:
That is why the forbidding of incest is one of the characteristics of civilization. Organized way of life for a community. The scope may be narrow or wide but at its minimal level, it excludes fathers, mothers, children sleeping with beach other outside marriage. If incest is promoted, a brick in the wall of our civilization is removed. The question is how many bricks has to be removed before the whole wall come tumbling down?

shadeyinka:
the question isnt about thebend of religion. Religion is part of the current civilization we live in. The question should bebwhat happens when everything that has to do with religion is done away with. You will agree with me that if religion never existed, civilization would not be as itbis today

shadeyinka:
The same way you accept homosexuality as variant form of sexual orientation is the same way incest is varient. The same logic!

shadeyinka:
Complete lie.
Just a little test,: on the average of all the scientists who we ever knew from Archimedes, to Einstein to Hopkins, what percentage is atheistic.

Atheism isn't synonymous with science, knowledge or Inquiry!
Get this fact straight!

akintom:
That "true" Christianity is being effectively wiped out now. Consider the following:

* Christian messages and dominantly about material success, witchcraft hunting, leadership, relationships seminars, comedy and dance hall songs night shows.

* fetish and idolatrous (Christian branding of traditional religion) materials eg mantle, olive oil, armband, stickers chaplets, have effectively replace the rebellious nazarene.

* right here, atheistic thoughts and threads have dominated the NL apologists.

Whatever you meant by "true" Christianity is not religion, is definitely from your written dictionary.

shadeyinka:
Say me well to raphiemontella.

Your question need no answer because itsba diversionary technique. You can easily open up a thread and invite me to comment.

Prohibition of incest is onebof the brickwall holding our civilization (else, we will be like goats and dogs who sleep withbeachbother indiscriminately).

The source of non-incestious relationship is theistic from evidence on ground in many cultures (crime against the gods)

Atheism difines things by rationalization and hence, if some conditions asbstated are met, there is no problem.

Now, if atheism becomes the norm, and part of the consequence is that incest is allowed, would it build our civilization?

MrMontella:
[url=www.buddhisma2z.com/content.php?id=484
]In buddhism,,incest is wrong[/url]
and buddhism does not have a theistic background..so in cultures where buddhism is practised..incest is wrong..and no ''god idea'' had a part in it..




Not all Gods frowned at incest..
Some were the products of incest themselves,,,some committed incest..





The downfall and extinction of these royal bloodlines were due to Incest

The Hasburgs

www.medicalbag.com/grey-matter/impact-of-royal-inbreeding-part-iii/article/472635/

journals on incest and natural selection are documentiona on natural selection favouring outbreeding.

shadeyinka:
Self worship!

KingEbukasBlog:
I've given you reasons why child marriages are not approved by God .

Christians are not allowed to put gay people to death . What is this one saying ?

If the society determines what's right or wrong that means bestiality is right for an atheist in Canada , Hungary and Finland

Anas09:
Akin Thomas. Tell your Master that Christianity is a revelation of the Kingdom of God. Its invincible/invisible.

You failed before you started.

shadeyinka:
Good but how did you come to that conclusion?
A subjective position or a carryover of theistic upbringing?

shadeyinka:
On the outside, they want to sound like a champion. They pretend they are fearless. They carry an air of gnostism (they are too sure) however, they have to constantlybcome to the religious section of NL to keep their sanity.

Why their obsession for God. Isn't He supposed to be like father Christmas: how many adult Christians have been obsessed with Father Christmas?

Its their dilemma. Trying to convince themself that they are correct about their stance. Smh

MrMontella:
of course society does...


You always dodge when i ask you
why is the christian accepted way of female dressing moral/right when the quran offers a better alternative and condemns the christian accepted way?

availableisme:
From Reddit

Reverend Jones himself was an Agnostic Atheist, to be precise. ... In 1978 at Jonestown, Jim Jones brutally poisoned and murdered 303 real children and their parents, for a grand total of 909 people

From wikipedia


In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist.[41] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, Marceline Jones admitted in a 1977 New York Times interview that Jones was trying to promote Marxism in the United States by mobilizing people through religion, citing Mao Zedong as his inspiration.[37] She stated that, "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion", and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[37] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[9]


From www.sixteensmallstones.org

But reality is far more interesting: Contrary to suppositions, The People’s Temple was in fact a deadly left-wing, atheist, Marxist cult and Jonestown was a Socialist commune.

Jim Jones was a dedicated communist from the outset. While he initially founded his group as a a liberal offshoot of the Methodist denomination, in his own biographical record he admitted that he did not really believe in religion, he saw it as a tool to disingenuously use to further his Marxist goals.

Anas09:
I didnt see the mention. Ok, will find my way there.
What is love?

KingEbukasBlog:
All are assumptions . Anything about emotions in evolution is based on assumptions .

What about embarrassment , shame and feeling humiliated , they didn't make the cut ?

KingEbukasBlog:
so if you are in Finand or Hungary , you'll accept Bestiality as morally tight .

shadeyinka:
Civilization is defined as:
1. An organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people;
2. A stage or system of social, political,or technical development.

Most of the cultural norms we have today have Theistic basis behind them. The concept of Morality is mostly theistic in origin.

Today, we have a culture that forbids incest almost throughout the world. I would want us to focus only on this vis-à-vis: The Wonderful Logics of Atheism and INCEST!

How you ever wondered how the world would be when Atheism becomes the worlds only "religion"?

Let's look at a typical Atheist logic about a theme as homosexuality. Most atheists are heterosexual BUT they see nothing wrong with Homosexuality because as far as they are concerned, as long as

1. The act of homosexuality is consensual
2. The Homosexuality is between Adults
3. The sexual act is hurting no one
Then, it should be respected as a NORMAL and VALID way of life and sexual expression.

Today, let's use the same logic for incest.
Fathers, Mothers, Children (adults) having consensual sex with each other as acceptable sexual orientation.

Now, to Atheists on Nairaland,(assuming pregnancy is ruled out)
Would incest be acceptable way of life?
Should this be encouraged ?
Would this be immoral?

Or (as a single question)

What is the stance of Atheism on Incest?

The answer you give will show us whether civilization will Collapse under the rule of Atheism or Advance.

I am sure that few atheists will respond to this: it is like giving them a rope to hang themselves.

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KingEbukasBlog:
I've given you reasons why child marriages are not approved by God .

Christians are not allowed to put gay people to death . What is this one saying ?

If the society determines what's right or wrong that means bestiality is right for an atheist in Canada , Hungary and Finland

shadeyinka:
I hope you know that the scope of incestuous living isn't static. It varies culture by culture and over time. SMH

Answer the questions band stop using evasivetechniques

shadeyinka:
Usual tactics of changing topic without first answering the questions before them.

Theism does not support Incest
Atheism justifies incest if some conditions are met

If everyone in the world is atheist, and invest is ball owed, will it promote or destroy our civilization?

I hope that you know that the scope of incestuousl relationships vary from culture to culture. The base minimum scope is Parent-Children and Children-Children of the same parent.

availableisme:
You can look at it in two ways and that is as

a. His father’s sister, That is, kinswoman, as the Hebrew word frequently means. Amminadab or a prince of the tribe of Judah. If you look at it this way then we can say that the Levites might marry into any tribe, there being no danger of confusion or loss of inheritance thereby.

b. .If you can tell me when the Law was given or when it began then you can deduce your answer for yourself. Did Genesis 17: 16 come before Leviticus 18:12?

Ranchhoddas:
Check your dictionary!

Anas09:
Thats the difference between you and i. You go carnal, i go spiritual. We can't mix.

Love is a rejection of self for the benefit of the underserving. Can you find this in the dictionary?

akintom:
How does writing my name make you feel?

*help your invocation and incantation to be more effective?

*sending your "spiritual" arrows to my real name, as against my moniker, will help your magic to be precise?

*You're now perplexed and dried of useful rebuttals?

You know what? am real, visible and known atheist.

Deal with that.

PastorAIO:
Genesis 29:

14 Then Laban said to him, “You are my own flesh and blood.” After Jacob had stayed with him for a whole month,
15 Laban said to him, “Just because you are a relative of mine, should you work for me for nothing? Tell me what your wages should be.”
16 Now Laban had two daughters; the name of the older was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel.
17 Leah had weak eyes, but Rachel had a lovely figure and was beautiful.
18 Jacob was in love with Rachel and said, “I’ll work for you seven years in return for your younger daughter Rachel.”



Genesis 20:12
And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

LightandDarkness:
Jacobs wives Rachel and Leah were his cousins hence incest.

Exodus 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years. Moses and Aaron products of incest

Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. If miriam is Aarons sister isn't she also moses's sister? Therefore their relationship was incest.

Instead of asking why atheists don't support incest maybe the theists should ask themselves the dame question. And also ask why God didn't condemn any of this

MrMontella:
hello brother!
Mention this monicker henceforth@the bolded...raphiemontella went on a vacay...he travelled and said i should substitute for him

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On your incest...

Explain..

Under Your Theistic doctrine,which is under the dictation of your supreme being who is the source of morals..

1)The world was populated by incestuous relations...not once but twice...


2)Your theistic supreme being...
Blessed an incestous marriage




3)Your God's tight paddy,,if not his bestfriend;Moses was the product of an incestuous marriage...




Moralize these instances..

MrMontella:
randomness does produce order..

Tornadoes and snowflakes...
Mineral crystals etc..

Ranchhoddas:
The dictionary is carnal? My God!

PastorAIO:
And further to that I also got an insight. That at no time did he ever espouse Amorality. In fact I don't know any atheists that do so. Atheists are just as moral as christians or moslems.
The point he was making was on the SOURCE of the morality. Agentofallah explains the moral impulse in Evolutionary terms. The christians just say 'God did it'.

According to Darwin Evolution would naturally select AGAINST incest. That revulsion that we naturally have for incest may later be attributed to a God by superficial persons but the fact that it has it's origins in evolutionary factors remain unchanged.

availableisme:
First of all, we need to agree on something regarding atheism. Atheism is not by definition a disbelief in God or gods. That is the foundation of atheism and not a final position as there are atheists who disbelieve in God or gods but believe in spirits and reincarnation and...everything that God or gods are which is spirit.

Atheism is a foundation which other things are built on. If the foundation is that they lack belief in God or gods then what is permissible to be built on such a foundation which would still hold to their core belief yet make them comfortable which is why there are different kinds and classes of atheists in the world even here on nairaland.

If an atheist says homosexuality or incest is alright as long as both are adults and its based on mutual agreement then this is like a direct affront to the position of God whom they disbelieve. If they do not believe in God then they also by extension want to assert this by also seeing nothing wrong with those things God abhors otherwise that would mean they are okay with Gods idea of morality.

However if you say that in some nations homosexuality is permitted or even bestiality or perhaps incest as the focus is simply for you to do what makes you happy but does that make it right?

Anas09 painted a very vivid picture in her comment and a mind with a conscience and morals would either be repulsed at the thought of it or seriously think about it.

Not everyone is aware of the problems inbreeding may cause and in fact it does not always cause problems as both parties can have perfectly healthy genes but does that make it right is the question? Is there nothing inherently wrong with it? can you tell me?

Anas09:
Yes the dictionary is Carnal. Depending on what u take carnality to mean. Did you see my definition of love?

Byw, i still haven't seen your previous mention.