It's funny to see christians here defending mosaic laws.....

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Shattap and stop displaying this your "Holy Ignorance"!

When you dont understand something, and cant reason to understand, then you ignore the directions of those who are trying to educate you, then you wallow in some phantom "holy Ignorance".

No one is saying you should not pay! Its your money, its your folly
What people are saying is that Pastor "Olee-depo" is a spiritual fraud who is trying to confuse dolts like you who cannot read their Bible and use their brain, that ONLY those that Tithe, have access to God's blessing.

Its as simple as that.



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Take a chill pill Angry bird. Lol. Hit the game and not the player. You sound like them players that bite other players when they start losing a game. Bring in the points not the drama.

One of the most controversial Discuss in Christedom...

I am a believer and follower of Jesus Christ -Christain-
and I took it upon myself to go deeper into the scriptures...with the help of the Holy Spirit and other Men of God...i got my answers about Tithing

Going Through the life of Jesus in the Four gospels...our saviour of the World didn't directly mentioned tithe.
I saw emphasis of giving in Matthew 22:21 ...give unto ceasar what belongs to caesar, and unto God what belongs to God

The best interpretation to the above statement made by our Lord Jesus Christ is from your income pay your tax to ur government and Give God.

So how do you to give God?

first things First is to know as a believer God is the source of all the good in ur Life....and we are just STEWARDs of his blessings.

with this philosophy in mind, tithing shouldn't be a problem. Our giving to the furtherance of the Gospel of GRACE shouldn't be defined by 10%...rather our all and all -mind, finance, intellect, gift-

Remember "Where your treasure is there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21

I know Some men of God who don't believe in the popular doctrine of TITHING and the motive behind its emphasis in Christendom.

orisa37:
He's right.

if truly he said so, he is very wrong. Only God choses who to bless or whom not to bless. Not because u pay tithe or not.

peacesamuel94:




Bros, instead of making assumptions just go to google and verify for yourself.

he actually tithed 10% and not 6%, these were his words....

"if I had not tithed the first dollar I made I would not have tithed the first million dollars I made".

True, He did many charitable works but He also tithed.
Both are not exclusive of each other.

provide link you ****

Gabrielo7125:
knowledge is far from your father!!!

keep showing your true colour, mr know bible.

myaokija:
if truly he said so, he is very wrong. Only God choses who to bless or whom not to bless. Not because u pay tithe or not.

Absolutely True

Also it's not a wise prayer in this era of GRACE to remind God to bless one because of your giving, irrespective of how bountiful one gave...

Rather "ask and it shall be given onto you..."
also James4:2 ...you have not because you ask not.

0neal:
One of the most controversial Discuss in Christedom...

I am a believer and follower of Jesus Christ -Christain-
and I took it upon myself to go deeper into the scriptures...with the help of the Holy Spirit and other Men of God...i got my answers about Tithing

Going Through the life of Jesus in the Four gospels...our saviour of the World didn't directly mentioned tithe.
I saw emphasis of giving in Matthew 22:21 ...give unto ceasar what belongs to caesar, and unto God what belongs to God

The best interpretation to the above statement made by our Lord Jesus Christ is from your income pay your tax to ur government and Give God.

So how do you to give God?

first things First is to know as a believer God is the source of all the good in ur Life....and we are just STEWARDs of his blessings.

with this philosophy in mind, tithing shouldn't be a problem. Our giving to the furtherance of the Gospel of GRACE shouldn't be defined by 10%...rather our all and all -mind, finance, intellect, gift-

Remember "Where your treasure is there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21

I know Some men of God who don't believe in the popular doctrine of TITHING and the motive behind its emphasis in Christendom.

The problem parse is not just tithe, it is the philoosphy of the only way to receive blessings is through funding the church and the pastor. It is flawed Christian or even religious wise because it negates the issue that if you pay 10% to the church and the pastor receives 10% you are both rich or going to be richer and the poor, neighbor/country are meaningless in the equation. Even in the original Jewish laws there was a tithe for the poor. In addition, it negates the idea that greed could play a further role, how much do they need to survive and how much do the society need to survive, do they need an extra plane or does Otta need an extra road

Nigerians are too docile. Even the supposed educated still allow themselves to be hoodwinked by pastors and street touts. Nigerian Christians undoubtedly believe in Pastors and not God the Almighty. 'My Pastor said' is their consolations. God now plays the second fiddle to their pastors.

Am not even surprised the pastor made such a blasphemous statement and members nodded in approval - just what most Nigerians yearn to hear

SMH...

EmmzyWhite:
Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

Not seeing the end of the year might not be a terrible thing as you and your accidental pastors make it look. If heaven is the end game why do y'all body language suggest riches on earth is the highest form of happiness a christian can achieve?

Now, if you reason as a Christian that not making it to see the end of the year is bad, why wish it on people?

Question: "What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?" Answer: Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/ giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today. Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/ temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system. After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” ( 1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give ( James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” ( 2 Corinthians 9:7).

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

this is how true Christians speak..

peacesamuel94:



Those reading the thread are aware of these things.

i need u to educate us

Great6Pack:
Who is Oyedepo paying his tithe to? I don't want to hear he pays as others do in the same church. because he is simply robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Else, let him seek another church and pay his tithe monthly there and I will believe and follow his words.

Are you aware that Winners chapel has been tithing as a church since 1987 (I.e taking 10℅ of what comes in as a church out to where it belongs) No wonder the church is among the richest in world, the church just acquired a multi million dollar church customised bible printing plant, the first in Africa. This is happening in a time the the economy is supposed to be facing recession.

Bishop Oyedepo is the pioneer of that revelation as found in scriptures,according to Bishop when he found it in scriptures that organizations can tithe and come under an open heaven he rushed to his mentor and shared what he found in 1987( that is church tithing to another Church). Other churches follow same and are in the tithing covenant.

I believe in the tithing covenant based on my convictions as found from scriptures. I found out it pays to tithe and it's costly to eat that 10℅ that belong to God out of greed.

The returns is more than money or what money can't buy.
Abraham tithed, Jacob tithed, (Jesus came and validated tithing-Lk 11:42) so I would be stupid to think tithe is not important.

As a Christian, tithing is your number 1 giving, then others can follow, like giving to the poor, giving worship offering, giving to men of God, giving sacrifices, giving to parents.

People leading people astray. Any pastor that collects tithes is a criminal. Jesus Christ and his apostles never preached or Tithe. In fact, Jesus condemned the tither in several occasion luke 14 vs 42 and mat 23 vs 23. Tithing as it where is an old law and we are not under the law Galatians 5 vs 18. Tithing is a law to favour the tribe of levi which did not get any inheritance cos they serve in the temple Deut. 14 vs 27 to 29. More so, Jesus who is our new high priest is not from that tribe, so the law has changed since we have a change in priesthood Hebrew 7 vs 12 to 14. Jesus has offered sacrificed one and for all Hebrew 7 vs 27 and Hebrew 10 vs1 to 18. Abraham and Jacob paid tithe only once out of their own freewill to fulfil their personal covenant with God. If tithing is part of ur personal covenant with your God, I am not against it, go ahead but any pastor that ask you to bring you tithe to guarantee God's blessing is a thief.

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

And u come here and claim being a xtian. Y swearing for those that quote U.
Apparently, u might be the one not to see 2017.

Receive some sense of belonging abeg.

As a Christian it's important that you give 10% of all your increase to God .

alterswerve:
Zuckerberg is an atheist. Why is he richer and more productive than many tithers?

the answer in the OP. Read again please

myaokija:
if truly he said so, he is very wrong. Only God choses who to bless or whom not to bless. Not because u pay tithe or not.

but pastors desperately need their followers to remain gullible in order to maintain their deified status.

Twy:


The problem parse is not just tithe, it is the philoosphy of the only way to receive blessings is through funding the church and the pastor. It is flawed Christian or even religious wise because it negates the issue that if you pay 10% to the church and the pastor receives 10% you are both rich or going to be richer and the poor, neighbor/country are meaningless in the equation.

Even in the original Jewish laws there was a tithe for the poor. In addition, it negates the idea that greed could play a further role, how much do they need to survive and how much do the society need to survive, do they need an extra plane or does Otta need an extra road

@ the bolded...

it's a wrong ideology

for the latter part of your post, I won't be tempted to castigate a Man of God
my advise to believers is study the BIBLE indeptly.

sekundosekundo:



Muslims also pay

Yeah, But no Imam will tell you "only fefol who give tites" are qualified to receive blessings". Islam does not force anybody body to give tithes. you are only supposed to give others help only if your own family is well fed & cared for. Blessings can also be earned in diffrent ways e.g even smiling to ur brethren, helping the blind cross the roads etc. NO BE MONEY dat is required

any christian that agrees with the winners' pastor would have condemned jesus christ's verdict between the tithing and demand-fulfilling pharisee and the sinful tax collector.master paul said that it is not by works so that no one should boast.

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

Why did you deactivate if you're so sure your feeble threat is strong?

Coward!.

Criminal!

Deuteronomy 14:22-29New International Version (NIV)

Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

And u claim to be a Christian or what?

sekundosekundo:

Go to Mushin area and tell them this.

What do you mean? FYI am a Muslim.

sekundosekundo:


Go to Mushin area and tell them this.

What do you mean? FYI am a Muslim. btw Mimzy has done justice to your ignorance I can see.

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

Unfortunately to u, many people will quote u wrongly as u alleged and will gladly see 2017.
gullible follower.

peacesamuel94:



Rockefeller believed in tithing.

Just as We have Christians who are broke(which is due to the fact that they do not practice what they claim to believe) so also we have atheists and skeptics who are also broke though they claim to be master economists.


And as regards unbelievers who are rich despite their unbelief I will say, that the law of giving and receiving is a natural law, it is possible for a poor Christian to go to heaven.(Although that's not God's plan for us) Mark Zuckerberg , bill gates, and so many other billionaires give selflessly, even more than some "so called christians" so it is only normal for them to be as wealthy as they are now.


But do not select a handful of rich unbelievers and use them as the yardstick for judging the ratio of rich christians to atheists. we have so many Christians who are wealthy just as much as we have rich unbelievers if not more.

You said it all, even if I am still confused about Christianity of a thing.

peacesamuel94:




Bros, instead of making assumptions just go to google and verify for yourself.

he actually tithed 10% and not 6%, these were his words....

"if I had not tithed the first dollar I made I would not have tithed the first million dollars I made".
True, He did many charitable works but He also tithed.
Both are not exclusive of each other.

Mansa musa is actually the richest man in history Rockefeller is second to him

sekundosekundo:


Whatsoever good you do, attracts blessings and Tithers are not foolish.

They're actually very foolish! Tithing is d biggest ponzi scheme since creation!