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KingEbukasBlog:
I never said that atheism is Marxist-Leninist ideology . I said that atheism is an integral part of the Marxist-Leninist ideology - that is , it was born out of the unbelief in God .

Of course, he intentionally flipped the statement over, pretending to be a kindergarten...

KingEbukasBlog:
I never said that atheism is Marxist-Leninist ideology . I said that atheism is an integral part of the Marxist-Leninist ideology - that is , it was born out of the unbelief in God .

so?

is every atheist a Marxist or Leninist?

is every theist a religious terrorist?

4everGod:
By the way Mrmontella and randomperson do you know that the word GENOCIDE could not be used to describe the killings carried out by Atheists so much so that a new word DEMOCIDE had to be coined? Its simply because GENOCIDE could not do it justice.

MrMontella i dey wait o.

democide is done by a person in the ''government'' ...something like that

randomperson:
Bullshit as usual... The subjugation of organized religion is not an end in communism, it's a means to achieving complete commitment to the government and leader of the country... If u count Stalin's acts as atheist acts, am obliged to count yakubu Gowon's acts as Christian... No double standard

Ok then go ahead and offer Mrmontella the figures of those who died during the civil war in Nigeria. I will give you the liberty of doing so if you feel that would make you comfortable.

Go ahead and include Nigerias deaths during the civil war to the list of deaths caused by Christians... When you are done i will make my submission with verifiable facts

4everGod:
How long do you need?

1 week?

Historical killings for Christianity
See also Historical killings for Islam
History of persecutions by Christians
The martyrdom of Christians at the hands of the Romans (also here and here). This was one type of oppressor killing another type of oppressor - as was shown when the Christians finally got into power.
Persecution of Pagans by the Christian Roman Empire
Saint Augustine supported torturing heretics. Also here.
Christian thinkers such as St. Thomas Aquinas continued to justify the killing of heretics and unbelievers throughout the medieval period.
St. Thomas Aquinas justifies killing people who are not convinced by his arguments.
See the Summa Theologica, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Question 11, Article 3. See also here.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds (online here and here and here) by Charles Mackay (1841).
The killing of Jews
Fascism
Christianity and the Holocaust
The killing of scientists and thinkers



The Popes of the Catholic church.


The Crusades

The Crusades (mainly 1095-1272)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades killed 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Crusades (and here)
Jihad begot the Crusades by Andrew G. Bostom.
Yes, the Crusades were in part a response to centuries of Islamic jihad and persecution and slaughter of Christians in the Middle East. But the Christians then (unlike today) were no better than their Islamic adversaries.
The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II made this speech to launch the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and child in the city.
The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux (see search) said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
The genocide of the Cathars (1209�1229)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
Massacre at B閦iers (1209)
The Church's War on the Cathars
In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.

The Inquisition
The Inquisition
The Inquisition and Slavery
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that the Inquisition butchered 350,000 innocent men, women and children.
The Spanish Inquisition
The Spanish Inquisition under Ferdinand and Isabella was approved by Pope Sixtus IV in 1484.
The butcher Torquemada
Expulsion of the Muslims and Jews from Spain, 1492.
The Jewish Virtual Library
The Inquisition
The Spanish Expulsion of the Jews, 1492
The pioneer atheist and scientific thinker Giulio Cesare Vanini was burnt by the Inquisition of Rome in 1619.

The Witch-hunting

Witch-hunting - perhaps Christianity's worst crime. Think how many poor innocents have been killed for God; how few have ever been killed for Satan.
Many people think 1 million innocents were killed by the witch-hunters, though Rudolph J. Rummel thinks 100,000.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Witch-hunting (and here)
Timeline of Witch-hunting (and detailed). Reading this should make you angry.
The Burning Times: The Christian extermination of Witches and other heretics
The Papacy's crimes of witch burning were based on the grossest superstitions - for example, the weather cannot have natural causes but must be caused by witches. This would be comical provided we do not think about what happened

felixomor:
Of course, he intentionally flipped the statement over, pretending to be a kindergarten...

I'm discussing with a more intelligent person, stay out of it if you don't have anything reasonable to say

hopefulLandlord:
I'm discussing with a more intelligent person, stay out of it if you don't have anything reasonable to say

*Yawns*

For real?

MrMontella:
democide is done by a person in the ''government'' ...something like that

Oh you do not know what Democide is and how it came about?

Democide is "the murder of any person or people by their government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder". This word never came to existence until Atheism rared its head via communism.

felixomor:
*Yawns*
For real?

yes

4everGod:
Ok then go ahead and offer Mrmontella the figures of those who died during the civil war in Nigeria. I will give you the liberty of doing so if you feel that would make you comfortable.

Go ahead and include Nigerias deaths during the civil war to the list of deaths caused by Christians... When you are done i will make my submission with verifiable facts

so christians didnt fight in the war?

Motive or killings..?.
Please lets be staight...
Na simple question

hopefulLandlord:
yes

*Hian*

[quote author=randomperson post=52366083]You are rushing. You can pm mrmontella with your own findings. Both of you are free to work together behind the scences with your findings. I want this presented neatly alright?

MrMontella:
so christians didnt fight in the war?

Motive or killings..?.
Please lets be staight...
Na simple question

Mrmontella i have permitted you to include christian wars and civil wars if you wish. All i need are verifiable facts and links and not just copy and paste.

You can work with randomperson behind the scenes as his blood is very hot and he is eager to post something

randomperson:
Bullshit as usual... The subjugation of organized religion is not an end in communism, it's a means to achieving complete commitment to the government and leader of the country... If u count Stalin's acts as atheist acts, am obliged to count yakubu Gowon's acts as Christian... No double standard

Any act of bloodshed by the communist government is accordance to Marxism-Leninism ideology

Karl Marx in an 1848 newspaper article:

“There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

He also said :


“No great movement has ever been inaugurated Without Bloodshed."

https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because

Karl Marx's ideology was founded on his unbelief in God that is why atheism is an integral part of Marxism-Leninism and he supported bloodshed as the government seeks to revolutionize the country .

That is why every communist government is all about bloodshed and mass murder because such is a part of the ideology which atheism as its integral part

Plus according to Lenin :

Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.

And then Marxism–Leninism holds that religion is the opium of the people, in the sense of promoting passive acceptance of suffering on Earth in the hope of eternal reward. Therefore, Marxism–Leninism [COMMUNISM] advocates the abolition of religion and the acceptance of atheism .

That is why atheism is culpable/ is the animus that led to the killings .

KingEbukasBlog:
Any act of bloodshed by the communist government is accordance to Marxism-Leninism ideology

Karl Marx in an 1848 newspaper article:

“There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

He also said :


“No great movement has ever been inaugurated Without Bloodshed."

https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because

Karl Marx's ideology was founded on his unbelief in God that is why atheism is an integral part of Marxism-Leninism and he supported bloodshed as the government seeks to revolutionize the country .

That is why every communist government is all about bloodshed and mass murder because such is a part of the ideology which atheism as its integral part

Plus according to Lenin :

Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.

And then Marxism–Leninism holds that religion is the opium of the people, in the sense of promoting passive acceptance of suffering on Earth in the hope of eternal reward. Therefore, Marxism–Leninism [COMMUNISM] advocates the abolition of religion and the acceptance of atheism .

That is why atheism is culpable/ is the animus that led to the killings .

Ebuka stop! We have reached the doorstep of facts now. Lets not keep arguing aimlessly. Let facts speak. Let Mrmontella drop his figures and years and verifiable links.

I will drop mine and let everyone compare and contrast...

4everGod:
Oh you do not know what Democide is and how it came about?

Democide is "the murder of any person or people by their government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder". This word never came to existence until Atheism rared its head via communism.

This people don't know anything

Brother 4evergod , let's start compiling ooo

4everGod:
Ebuka stop! We have reached the doorstep of facts now. Lets not keep arguing aimlessly. Let facts speak. Let Mrmontella drop his figures and years and verifiable links.

I will drop mine and let everyone compare and contrast...

Ok na ... no wahala

I dey wait oo

KingEbukasBlog:


This people don't know anything

Brother 4evergod , let's start compiling ooo

I dont need to compile. I have had my facts since 2yrs ago and it was recently updated.

Mrmontella over to you!

By the way the other atheists are free to pitch in their own contribution o. Let this be a group project so Mormontella would not miss any detail

hopefulLandlord:
so?

is every atheist a Marxist or Leninist?

is every theist a religious terrorist?

Atheists can be all three

Religious extremism is about being intolerant about other people's beliefs . An atheist can be intolerant of every religious person's belief and Marxists and Leninists are all atheists

It's funny how we have completely digressed from the topic of discuss and are now just focusing on red herrings and whatnot.

We don't have to treat these discussions as a versus match all the time.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists can be all three

Religious extremism is about being intolerant about other people's beliefs . An atheist can be intolerant of every religious person's belief and Marxists and Leninists are all atheists

so?

answer the question and don't pull this red herring tactics


is every atheist a Marxist or Leninist?

is every theist a religious terrorist?

question is clear enough

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists can be all three

Religious extremism is about being intolerant about other people's beliefs . An atheist can be intolerant of every religious person's belief and Marxists and Leninists are all atheists

I love the fact that its easy to discover truth these days.

Let them carry out their group project. I am tired of arguing aimlessly. I asked randomperson to give me the percentage of theists in the USA and those who are atheists and lets do a statistical analysis based on prison figures and percentages so i can show him how silly his assumption that atheists are less in prisons in America. He has not given me those percentages.

4everGod:
I love the fact that its easy to discover truth these days.

Let them carry out their group project. I am tired of arguing aimlessly. I asked randomperson to give me the percentage of theists in the USA and those who are atheists and lets do a statistical analysis based on prison figures and percentages so i can show him how silly his assumption that atheists are less in prisons in America. He has not given me those percentages.

Why are u lying... Atheists are 6% in America, they are only 0.1% of prisons population. Christians are over 66% of prisons. I already posted this before

hopefulLandlord:
so?

answer the question and don't pull this red herring tactics


is every atheist a Marxist or Leninist?

is every theist a religious terrorist?

question is clear enough

I never said all atheists are Marxist or Leninist . And I'm not sure that I even insinuated such . Your question is totally extraneous .

4everGod:
Ebuka stop! We have reached the doorstep of facts now. Lets not keep arguing aimlessly. Let facts speak. Let Mrmontella drop his figures and years and verifiable links.

I will drop mine and let everyone compare and contrast...

Consider the following conflicts where the only differences between the opposing factions were and are religion:

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-till date
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
War on Islamic terrorism (ISIS, Alqaeade, Alnusra front, etc)

If you add up all of the lives that were lost in the name of one religion or another, you come up with a staggering figure that is in excess of eight-hundred-million. That's eight-hundred-million. An eight, followed by eight zeros. So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious killings are muh more than those of atheism.

randomperson:
Why are u lying... Atheists are 6% in America, they are only 0.1% of prisons population. Christians are over 66% of prisons. I already posted this before

Please learn to slow down to understand anything before you rush and type.

I asked for PERCENTAGE OF CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA AND NOT IN PRISONS. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ALREADY GAVE ME THE PERCENTAGE OF ATHEISTS IN AMERICA

KingEbukasBlog:
I never said all atheists are Marxist or Leninist . And I'm not sure that I even insinuated such . Your question is totally extraneous .

then why not be honest by listing those killings as "Marxism" and "Leninism"?

Marxism and Leninism seems to be the problem according to you not atheism as a whole, just like extremism is the problem of religious suicide bombers and not religion in itself

almost any ideology taken to the extreme would always have bad consequences

dalaman:
Consider the following conflicts where the only differences between the opposing factions were and are religion:

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-till date
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
War on Islamic terrorism (ISIS, Alqaeade, Alnusra front, etc)

If you add up all of the lives that were lost in the name of one religion or another, you come up with a staggering figure that is in excess of eight-hundred-million. That's eight-hundred-million. An eight, followed by eight zeros. So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious killings are muh more than those of atheism.

You just listed countries and dates with no reasons whatsoever and you claim they are religious wars ?

Your conclusion is conjectural . There is no information that proves that these are religious wars and the sum of these things will even amount to 800 million .

Are we here to joke or what

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dalaman:
Consider the following conflicts where the only differences between the opposing factions were and are religion:

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-till date
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
War on Islamic terrorism (ISIS, Alqaeade, Alnusra front, etc)

If you add up all of the lives that were lost in the name of one religion or another, you come up with a staggering figure that is in excess of eight-hundred-million. That's eight-hundred-million. An eight, followed by eight zeros. So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious killings are muh more than those of atheism.

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I WARNED THAT I DID NOT WANT COPY AND PASTE. I WANT VERIFIABLE LINKS AND FACTS AND FIGURES WITH YEARS AND NOT THIS YOU ARE DOING. if you do not know how to do this then contact Mrmontella offline and let him do it for you

hopefulLandlord:
then why not be honest by listing those killings as "Marxism" and "Leninism"?

Marxism and Leninism seems to be the problem according to you not atheism as a whole, just like extremism is the problem of religious suicide bombers and not religion in itself

any ideology taken to the extreme would always have bad consequences

Extremism is inherent in Marxism-Leninism ideology . I gave you quotes from their founders that support sanguinary campaigns against contumacious people who could be encumber the realization of their goals .

randomperson:
And, so because some of those countries use their kids kids for ritual, it's okay if God kills those kids??

lol this made me laugh

they're killing children, so let's kill all their children