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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Wilgrea7(m): 5:06pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
coolk:thanks... I'm still looking for answers.. i recently started reading the holy book of Sikhism although I'm a Christian my questions are * is there any central message in all the religions?? * does any of them seem to have a monopoly of truth to an extent? * how do you view God? * is the afterlife really unknown or is it really affected by our beliefs * does the snake issue in Hinduism have anything to do with the evil of snakes in Christianity? * is this world really an illusion? thanks again |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 5:10pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Truly, I wonder if the fact that Jesus Christ and Christianity in general receives an inordinate proportion of the ''tirades'' against religion is because of its popularity or because it's the real deal. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Nobody: 5:12pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:You already know the answer. Nobody fights the powerless or the empty. Everyone who is envious or angry at the powerful always look for ways to first weaken the powerful so they can come within striking distance. You already know your answer. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Nobody: 5:16pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
coolk:Op can we talk? |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by hopefulLandlord: 6:03pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:sincere answer is that most atheists on this forum are former Christians themselves so its only logical to attack something you have been a part of from the inside, that's why whistleblowing is the best way to expose a corrupt and hypocritical organisation also we are in an environment where Christianity forms the major religion of the country so popularity is a valid reason too an atheist from the middle east who is a former Muslim would most likely attack Islam much more than he'll attack Christianity (if he attacks Christianity at all) also Nairaland Christians aren't helping matters by focusing more on atheism these days than they'll focus on their own religion How many muslims enter into atheist threads to start trolling.? How many muslims always assume that any thread negating "God" or "religion" is their concern? Even though the word "God" is used by every religion, how many times have they assumed you are talking about their God when ever you use the word "God" then turn around and complain... there was once a thread against Abraham/Ibrahim willingness to sacrifice his son, Muslims didn't bother even though it concens them but christians would assume it is sorely the exclusive concern of their religion. I know Islam section is locked and that might be part of the reason for this but I'm pretty sure that Christians would still leave their section to attack anything "not Christian" on the general religion section even if they're given a section most Muslims on this platform make it an unconscious point to ignore atheists as much as possible, even when our criticism is valid, they'll rather take on a Christian like Al Baghdadi, Plapville, Anas09, truthman et al even when they give dumb remarks than take on any atheist giving valid one if they can help it; and they also have a way of ending discussion with atheists by going silent while most Christian apologists argue with us for tens of pages trying to "win" its basically all a vicious cycle anyways so if I'm to chose one option that seems closer to the truth "Popularity" it is |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by analice107: 6:41pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
coolk:Mr Coolk, i have sent you a mail, if its OK with you, pls reply. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by analice107: 6:49pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:U don ever see children dey throw stones on a Mango tree without ripe fruits? A fruitless tree, receives no stones. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 7:05pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
4everGod:This is a rather bold assumption. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Nobody: 7:07pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Its a truthfully bold assertion! |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 7:12pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:While I agree with most of what you've said, I am not restricting myself to Nairaland, I believe if a survey were to be taken, Christianity would still take the highest amount of flak. The character Jesus from my own observation has a way has a way of popping up in all religious discourse whether inadvertently or otherwise. I am still open to the popularity theory though as Christians dominate many spheres of endeavour. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 7:20pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
analice107:Lol...Hunger fit cause am. You never chop unripe mango before? |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 7:22pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
4everGod:Lol. Jury's still out on that. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Anas09: 7:51pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Other religions besides Atheism agree on the God concept, but when it comes to Jesus, the disparities comes in. Why do everyone believe in God without issues, but when it came to the personality of Jesus, a problem asrises? Most have their versions of who christ is or is not. The bone of contention is Jesus Christ. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Ranchhoddas: 7:59pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Anas09:Answer me truthfully...If you were not Christian, would you have believed that God walked the face of the Earth and was killed by mere humans? |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Charlesdock(m): 8:49pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Learning |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by Anas09: 8:56pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Yes, i will believe. If i weren't a Christian but was allowed to give attention to what the Christians have to say, yeah, i could believe why not? Aren't muslims believing? Aren't Buddhist believing? I wasn't born a Christian. I was Catholic. What motivated this your question is the believe that everyone born amongst Christians is automatically a Christian. But, it's not true. No one is born a Christian. Being a Christian has nothing to do with where you were born. Although, i grew up in an environment where we went to a gathering called the Church, even when all we were taught was so far fetched compared to what we shd actually be taught, i grew up not knowing anything about Jesus Christ. I knew so much about Mary, but nothing about Jesus who died for me. And today, so many folks around me right now are not Christians, yet born in places that are reffered to as Christian communities. Christianity is a Kingdom whose access is offered to a responsible adult by Christ. That adult must understand what it means to be lost in sin and dead in the spirit. He must feel the helplessness of someone trapped and needs freedom. He must of neccesity know the wieght of sin and its consequences before he can accept the gift of salvation which is an access into the Kingdom which Christ came to call us into. Children can not understand all this.^^^ And, Christ was not killed by anyone, No one could have killed him even if they had wanted to. He layed down his life. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John:10:17- 18 See? |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by TheEminentLaity: 9:46pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
Good read OP. You're a good writer. I am a christian and I battle doubts daily about the Bible, christianity - its gory, political and violent history- world history tells a different story because coloured people were the first people on the planet etc how all the evils of men have been spurred on by religion over time including the most inhumane and evil slavery but I know there is power in the name Jesus Christ. I believe in God and Jesus Christ His Son and have decided that's enough for me. I am an Orthodox christian and I like their theology and how they believe that the Bible and humans cannot in one life time understand the mystery that is God, which is absolutely true. Learning all these have made me discard fundamentalism. I have no fear or at least none for religious blackmail of eternal condemnation (without disbelieving divine judgement) often utilised by many controlling sects within christianity. I let God fight His battles. I cannot and do not defend christianity or God but I hold on to my faith. if atheists/misotheists abuse God or and my faith, I ignore them because I don't have all the answers myself, I never will. God and the spiritual are mysterious and humans throughout history only attempt to describe the phenomena through ancient texts and traditions. However, something I realised in my search -not as thorough as yours though- is that searching most times could be futile and the downside is that realising that if one had used the same effort to learn money and how to become rich, one would almost certainly lead a better life here on earth to do good and become a blessing to their neighbours according to each individuals belief. Religion and faith is worth it because there is definitely an unseen/unperceived realm that we leave for and pray to God over our affairs and salvation. The persistent thorn in the flesh is that the more intelligent and inquisitive one is, the greater the struggle with belief. I pray we come the truth about God. |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by analice107: 12:26pm On Dec 31, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:But the Mango must bare fruits first nah |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by mohamedali(m): 4:02pm On Dec 31, 2016 |
انا لم اكمل قراءة موضوعك لأني عرفت فورا أنك من المؤمنين بتوحيد الله والنضال عن طريقه وقال الله أنه يهدي إليه من اناب ورجع عليه في إمرة ؛ فيعطي دين الإسلام فرصه حتي يريك أين أنت ماذا عليك أن تفعل و ألما الذي سوف تجده عند الله؛(أنك لا تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يعدي من يشاء ) |
| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 12:19am On Jan 05, 2017 |
4everGod:Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE When a person tries to get you to join something, try and be very attentive to their state of mind. Are they a cult member? Have they lost themselves in a synthetic reality? Look carefully!
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 12:21am On Jan 05, 2017 |
Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE Whole countries can enslave their citizens without any type of physical restraint. Look at the old Soviet Union, Nazi Germany or pre-occupied Japan. Look at what those people were willing to sacrifice and do, often without conscience, to their fellow citizens and to other countries. A cult can do no less and often operates under similar principles.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 12:25am On Jan 05, 2017 |
[quote author=coolk post=52372551]I apologies for the tedious essay. Feel free to criticize. Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE There is a science of mind control. Do you think cult leaders are unaware of what they are doing? Some cult leaders are very pragmatic mind control engineers. Don’t underestimate them.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 12:28am On Jan 05, 2017 |
coolk:Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE There are two stages to cult capture. The first is cognitive persuasion, which is very much like powerful advertising. The second is trance induction. Avoid them both.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 9:49am On Jan 07, 2017 |
4everGod:FREE Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE Do not join an organization without researching it first. At the first stages of interest by a prospective member, a cult will deploy weapons for almost instantaneous capture.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 9:52am On Jan 07, 2017 |
coolk:FREE Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs For FREE Look before you leap when you encounter anyone who promises something for very little. You may wind up falling into a pit of deception.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by 4amorc(m): 5:49am On Jan 08, 2017 |
coolk:FREE Go To www.AMORConline.com and click on the Yellow tab to read the Rosicrucian Monographs. The technique of cognitive persuasion for cult recruitment is based on reflexive thinking- that is a kind of thinking that transpires relatively unconsciously, based on assumptions you have accepted long ago. Reflect instead of reflex and you will be safer.
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| Re: The 'Hatist' Manifesto - Is Religion Worth It? (Incomplete) by coolk(op): 8:34pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
This Story is Incomplete... |
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Its a truthfully bold assertion!