nedu2000:
not a charity fdtn?in other words they are profit making,thus shouldn't they pay tax?

Why do you think they don't pay tax? Because they're owned by a church doesn't mean they won't ay tax. The school is different from the church.

Toptipster:
crappy comment.. First question needed an answer!!! And no one here has brought up a real answer. why open a school with offering money..or they don't know the consequence of opening a school before you shouting fund this fund that, proffesor this, lecturer that.. Where is the total profit going to.. The running of church? Or feeding the poor or to finace the minister pocket when they are not certain of your dwindling offering they needed bigger money abi?. Later we shout christ-like which means christian..check your bible every things he did was free. He never charged a kobo for feeding 5,000 people and he is more particular about gaining soul...we have gone far from what was written in the bible and we have delve into profit making..world reasoning like we are making the earth safer for our kids not to be exposed to earthly things in the national university..you guys are joker..what happened to your fathers kingdom in heaven. Jesus moved from village to village spreading the gospel and gaining followers..spends most of his time in the wideness. Give what is for ceaser what belongs to him and give what is of God to him.. We should be buiding our place in heaven not making the earth too confortable...yes I'm a chrstian and all this end time pastor made me stop going to church for 2 years now.. I can do what most do.. Cram the posperity part of the bible leaving the real message and feed you ignorant people.. Retracting my step back to ifa..lol.

which total profit? They don't make enough money from such schools to send anything to the church.-------Christ like. And as such they shouldn't charge for running a school. LOL. They should miraculously create money that will be used to pay the workers. Or rather, the lecturers should teach for free, the school should make the accommodation free. The cleaners should clean for free. PHCN should provide them light free. NNPC should also sign a contract providing fuel for generators for free.-------We should be building our place in heaven. And as such, our children should be illiterate or our workers should not be paid, because it's heaven that matters. We might as well not work for money. We should walk the streets naked because earthly things don't matter and we should not be too comfortable. You for just enter bush one time make we know say you dey serious. You for troway your phone.Don't even go to church neither should you give offering (even though Jesus himself gave offering). Because every single thing on the earth is useless.--------If you know what is good and what is not good, do what is good. Your business does not lie with the "end time" pastors. Do your own thing. This is a heavenly race and you run only for yourself. If you see a pastor build a school to offer quality education, don't also expect him to bend the laws of economics just because you don't have enough money to attend the school.

hardbody:


They do not need to pay anyone. It should be communal service by members who at best should be paid stipends. That way the school remains accessible to the tithers whose monies were used in the first place to set up the citadel

They should give their time in order to earn stipends. You forget they have lives outside the church. Who will feed them? Who will pay their house rents? The church might as well make provision for chocolate and tissue paper so that they will not lack anything. It's like you don't even understand how money workS.-------For this your idea to work, an entire country consisting of cleaners,lecturers, a governing parliament, hospitals, tissue paper manufacturers, travel agents, Cornflakes (e.g Kelloggsmanufacturers who work for free, Nasco and Good Morning would also be present for those who don't like Kellogg's)etc. Basically, every single thing any human would ever want or need would have to be provided by the church.-------Do now see the massive flaw in your idea?

asuustrike2009:

And who told you they can't afford it? If a student can't afford it,he or she should go to public school. If he or she is brilliant, he should apply for scholarship if there's any.

hear your self,you are not sure if there is scholarship for members and for the answer of how many can afford it,you and I know the answer already.what is not good is not good it has no two names. No church sch should be as expensive as that,if something if for God ,it's meant to be affordable by the poorest masses,,,

DrayZee:
They should give their time in order to earn stipends. You forget they have lives outside the church. Who will feed them? Who will pay their house rents? The church might as well make provision for chocolate and tissue paper so that they will not lack anything. It's like you don't even understand how money workS.-------For this your idea to work, an entire country consisting of cleaners,lecturers, a governing parliament, hospitals, tissue paper manufacturers, travel agents, Cornflakes (e.g Kelloggsmanufacturers who work for free, Nasco and Good Morning would also be present for those who don't like Kellogg's)etc. Basically, every single thing any human would ever want or need would have to be provided by the church.-------Do now see the massive flaw in your idea?

I am talking about communal service in a welfare environment when every one contributes to the betterment of others, otherwise called tithing and using the tithe to build schools such that all will benefit in that religious community. In Nigeria as a Nation state, there are public universities where those who can't afford the private unis can and acquire knowledge.

Those schools are supported by taxes, an equivalent of the tithes thingy. I guess you are misreading my reasoning and thought process

hardbody:


I am talking about communal service in a welfare environment when every one contributes to the betterment of others, otherwise called tithing and using the tithe to build schools such that all will benefit in that religious community. In Nigeria as a Nation state, there are public universities where those who can't afford the private unis can and acquire knowledge.

Those schools are supported by taxes, an equivalent of the tithes thingy. I guess you are misreading my reasoning and thought process

Ok sir. I may be wrong but I see the portrayal of an almost utopian society in your ideology. But one thingsstops it from happening. Time. People channel their time into things that will provide them money, because money is what they need to survive. If you are not providing what they need to survive, they will not give you their time. They may only spare a little of it.

leksbore:
hear your self,you are not sure if there is scholarship for members and for the answer of how many can afford it,you and I know the answer already.what is not good is not good it has no two names. No church sch should be as expensive as that,if something if for God ,it's meant to be affordable by the poorest masses,,,

Perhaps when you set up your own school you would understand better.why are public universities in nigeria substandard? Why does ASUU go on strike ? Do you think its that mere tuition fee of about N40,000 that are used to sustain nigeria public universities,? If you shoulf run a cost analysis of most tuition fee, do you think they can meet up to the expenses incurred by such school? Do you what it cost to pay lecturers and non academic staffs?. Even if the price is reduced to N100,000 for example, some of you will wail talkless of N50,000.And even if it's reduced, were would the university see money to pay lecturers? Where would they see money to pay non academic staffs? How would they maintain the school facilities? Or do you think is from the tithe and offerings?.Go and ask any accountant at any public institutions especially tertiary institution whether the public universities rely on school fees alone to survive. Why are they charging acceptance fees,running different pprogrammes, e .t.c and even engage in one form of business or the other to meet up?
Running a private university is more tedious than ever especially if such institution must meet up with Ncc guidelines and standards. As for scholarship, the members of the church would be in better position to answer that since the school just began.

Let's look at the points one by one;
1. Deeper Life was registered as a Not-for-profit organization.
2. The above mean that the organization will get her finances from voluntary contributions from well meaning partners and sponsors.
3. That the organization will not engage in any venture that is profit oriented.
4. The establishment of a school with such fees constitutes the venture as a business and against the codes of establishment.
5. Mission schools in the past (St. Saviours, Anglicans, Nawarudeen, Ebenezer etc schools) were established for free so as to build children with the fear of God. The missionaries used funds from donors to run the schools

For defenders comparing Deeper Life to Harvard, please is the source of funding for Harvard and Deeper Life the same? What is the use of tithes and offerings voluntarily given to the Church by parishioners? What benefit is it if you work hard for the church and your wards cannot attend any of the schools established by the church? Does it mean your children (because you are not capable to pay the fees) does not need the training to be received by the students who attends the schools?

The overall point here is, churches (especially Nigerian churches) have deviated from the message of proclaiming the kingdom of God by venturing into businesses.

Please don't let us fool ourselves, Churches in Nigeria are now big time business ventures. No NGO in the world dabble into profit making ventures.

DrayZee:
which total profit? They don't make enough money from such schools to send anything to the church.-------Christ like. And as such they shouldn't charge for running a school. LOL. They should miraculously create money that will be used to pay the workers. Or rather, the lecturers should teach for free, the school should make the accommodation free. The cleaners should clean for free. PHCN should provide them light free. NNPC should also sign a contract providing fuel for generators for free.-------We should be building our place in heaven. And as such, our children should be illiterate or our workers should not be paid, because it's heaven that matters. We might as well not work for money. We should walk the streets naked because earthly things don't matter and we should not be to comfortable. You for just enter bush one time make we know say you dey serious. You for troway your phone.Don't even go to church neither should you give offering (even though Jesus himself gave offering). Because every single thing on the earth is useless.--------If you know what is good and what is not good, do what is good. Your business does not lie with the "end time" pastors. Do your own thing. This is a heavenly race and you run only for yourself. If you see a pastor build a school to offer quality education, don't also expect him to bend the laws of economics just because you don't have enough money to attend the school.

you are not making even one atom of sense...that guy killed it...he totally floored u

These gullible people following these churches with their two eyes closed eh...i pity una...when them finish washing and setting ur brain...y'all would learn...christianity these days demands wisdom...cos the churches of today are privately owned companies...A word is enough for the wise o...

EmmySparky:
you are not making even one atom of sense...that guy killed it...he totally floored u

I can only say, you are not the one paying the fees. If yu feel the people are gullible, then leave them to waste their money. It is not your money they are spending. You ignore running costs of a school and suggest that everything should be free or very lowly priced. Nowhere in the world will you find a STANDARD private uni cheap. But because they are pastors, you expect them to magically create money to pay workers. Wonderful.

DrayZee:
I can only say, you are not the one paying the fees. If yu feel the people are gullible, then leave them to waste their money. It is not your money they are spending. You ignore running costs of a school and suggest that everything should be free or very lowly priced. Nowhere in the world will you find a STANDARD private uni cheap. But because they are pastors, you expect them to magically create money to pay workers. Wonderful.

it should be subsidised...thats what am saying...mr paul who earns a salary of not more than 30k should be able to send his child to the school....do u know that the white missionaries brought education into nigeria...for free...and till date the quality of education they provided then is still the best...so who says quality education cant be cheap...if the missionaries had charged us back then ,do u think any black man would be able to pay for it?....think about that...

EmmySparky:
it should be subsidised...thats what am saying...mr paul who earns a salary of not more than 30k should be able to send his child to the school....do u know that the white missionaries brought education into nigeria...for free...and till date the quality of education they provided then is still the best...so who says quality education cant be cheap...if the missionaries had charged us back then ,do u think any black man would be able to pay for it?....think about that...

So you're now comparing the education(simple teaching of English) the missionaries brought to that of universities. LOL. We all learnt English for free. The English I know, I learnt only about 4% of it from school. We're talking Medicine and Engineering here. Dude, seriously there is no basis for comparison. Those same missionaries own some of the most expensive universities in the U.S where you could pay as much as 8million for education. So what are you talking about. You're thinking because Public Uni's operate on a seemingly "cheap" basis, that private Uni's can also do the same. It is not so. Public Uni's have masses of students and their collective fees can cater for the school. Private Uni's can't carry such a large populace, so the fees have to be higher to ensure proper running of the school. If I tell you Covenant makes almost no profit from the students fees, you won't believe it.

Statsocial:

You can build Church infrastructure with members money. But u cant ask members to continue paying for recurrent expenditure of d skul. The skul needs to run itself and not continually depend on fluctuating donations from d church

So, what does the church member benefit from investing in the construction of the school? Promise of abundant blessing from the pastor? When the school starts yielding profit, will those members money be refunded?

asuustrike2009:

Even if the missionaries were to set up universities it would have being expensive. Maintaining university is quiet expensive especially if it's being run privately.If anyone isn't comfortable with the fees,such person should attend public schools after all they're subsidized

If you ask me to partner with you and set up something, I contributed my last kobo in order for it to work. When the project is now complete, you will now ditch me away? My question to you is this, what does the church member benefit after investing in the construction of the school? Cos the idea of the school is to make money.

hardbody:


They do not need to pay anyone. It should be communal service by members who at best should be paid stipends. That way the school remains accessible to the tithers whose monies were used in the first place to set up the citadel

and can you devote yourself for such services.......?

asuustrike2009:

Perhaps when you set up your own school you would understand better.why are public universities in nigeria substandard? Why does ASUU go on strike ? Do you think its that mere tuition fee of about N40,000 that are used to sustain nigeria public universities,? If you shoulf run a cost analysis of most tuition fee, do you think they can meet up to the expenses incurred by such school? Do you what it cost to pay lecturers and non academic staffs?. Even if the price is reduced to N100,000 for example, some of you will wail talkless of N50,000.And even if it's reduced, were would the university see money to pay lecturers? Where would they see money to pay non academic staffs? How would they maintain the school facilities? Or do you think is from the tithe and offerings?.Go and ask any accountant at any public institutions especially tertiary institution whether the public universities rely on school fees alone to survive. Why are they charging acceptance fees,running different pprogrammes, e .t.c and even engage in one form of business or the other to meet up?
Running a private university is more tedious than ever especially if such institution must meet up with Ncc guidelines and standards. As for scholarship, the members of the church would be in better position to answer that since the school just began.

and they will b the first to complain the school is not been maintained.......HUMANS!!!!!!

[center][quote author=BiafranBushBoy post=52669575]Which private school is cheap?

How will they pay the professors and lecturers?

How will they equip the school?

Or will the money fall from sky?

#Proud Deeperlifer

sirfemoz:


If you ask me to partner with you and set up something, I contributed my last kobo in order for it to work. When the project is now complete, you will now ditch me away? My question to you is this, what does the church member benefit after investing in the construction of the school? Cos the idea of the school is to make money.

I just laugh when you use partnership to illustrate a point because there's no correlation. The members aren't partners and if they were,there's no agreement.So coming to your idea of using partnership, before you ditch me, we will enter into a partnership contract called partnership deed which must be signed.Using same scenario, the members didn't sign any deal but only contributed as a result of persuasion mind you not all of them did because some didn't have while some didn't consider it.
Now the question that you need to ask is

1.Where the members forced to contribute? No
So why bother yourself. It's not as if they're complaining because they knew what the contribution is for
2.Are they complaining of the fees?No
So why wail where they other private universities around.
3. Is university education cheap in the world? No that's why scholarship are given to bright students. Then you would want to ask why isn't there scholarship? That's because the school just started newly and they're considering it already.

refiner:
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ogunniyi295:



and they will b the first to complain the school is not been maintained.......HUMANS!!!!!!

Don't mind them.They're ranting out of envy and poor thinking. Because if they own their own private institution, they wouldn't comment like this.

sirfemoz:


So, what does the church member benefit from investing in the construction of the school? Promise of abundant blessing from the pastor? When the school starts yielding profit, will those members money be refunded?

First of all no matter how politically incorrect it is i will tell u the truth. It is completely wrong and unbibilical to give tithe or offering to ur church and expect an earthly return from your church. I am not saying d church shouldnt do good for members but it is unacceptable to think u qualify for that "good deed" because u pay tithe and offering. I attended Covenant uni nd i will tell you that the underlining reason Churches get involved in education isn't to teach physics or chem but to propagate Christianity in some ways-If you r a living faith member you also have this advantage also because you have sat through what i have. As for the Physics and Chemistry, you can learn that somewhere else if you cant afford tuition or the Church doesn't cover you for scholarship.
As for profiteering, i dont believe church schools r profitable. I think it may be wrong if a church profiteers from a university. But for Covenant uni where i graduated from, i did d math and concluded there is no way d church could make profit in between paying salaries, building Infrastructure, Paying for research, conferences, providing 24 hr electricity, books provision, school maintenance et al.

DrayZee:
So you're now comparing the education(simple teaching of English) the missionaries brought to that of universities. LOL. We all learnt English for free. The English I know, I learnt only about 4% of it from school. We're talking Medecine and Engineering here. Dude, seriously there is no basis for comparison. Those same missionaries own some of the most expensive universities in the U.S where you could pay as much as 8million for education. So what are you talking about. You're thinking because Public Uni's operate on a seemingly "cheap" basis, that private Uni's can also do the same. It is not so. Public Uni's have masses of students and their collective fees can cater for the school. Private Uni's can't carry such a large populace, so the fees have to be higher to ensure proper running of the school. If I tell you Covenant makes almost no profit from the students fees, you won't believe it.

u just referred to the education that was brought into Nigeria by the white folks as an ordinary english lesson ....if they brought in english..tHen who brought maths,chemistry and the other subjects in nigeria...they brought these things into a country that even english language was a super luxury and privilege back then...where a whole nation could not read and write...and u call education there ordinary?...thats suprising...the importance of the missionary schools was far more important than what these privately owned church universities add to the society...and still they did it free of charge...now even if these pastors want profit...atleast they should organize a way for the common man to benefit from the school like creating free health centres...or other basic charity organizations that would help the floor members...its just so pathetic...

EmmySparky:
u just referred to the education that was brought into Nigeria by the white folks as an ordinary english lesson ....if they brought in english..tHen who brought maths,chemistry and the other subjects in nigeria...they brought these things into a country that even english language was a super luxury and privilege back then...where a whole nation could not read and write...and u call education there ordinary?...thats suprising...the importance of the missionary schools was far more important than what these privately owned church universities add to the society...and still they did it free of charge...now even if these pastors want profit...atleast they should organize a way for the common man to benefit from the school like creating free health centres...or other basic charity organizations that would help the floor members...its just so pathetic...

They don't have to announce what they do for their members to you. They're not attention seekers. My church does most of the stuff you have mentioned. And NO, the missionaries did not bring Maths and chemistry here. The government did. And it developed with time. And NO, they're not more important than receiving advanced level education.

BiafranBushBoy:
Which private school is cheap?

How will they pay the professors and lecturers?

How will they equip the school?

Or will the money fall from sky?

#Proud Deeperlifer

Where they got the money used in building a world class uni, they will aslo get money to finance the uni every session...Is that understood?

Statsocial:

First of all no matter how politically incorrect it is i will tell u the truth. It is completely wrong and unbibilical to give tithe or offering to ur church and expect an earthly return from your church. I am not saying d church shouldnt do good for members but it is unacceptable to think u qualify for that "good deed" because u pay tithe and offering. I attended Covenant uni nd i will tell you that the underlining reason Churches get involved in education isn't to teach physics or chem but to propagate Christianity in some ways-If you r a living faith member you also have this advantage also because you have sat through what i have. As for the Physics and Chemistry, you can learn that somewhere else if you cant afford tuition or the Church doesn't cover you for scholarship.
As for profiteering, i dont believe church schools r profitable. I think it may be wrong if a church profiteers from a university. But for Covenant uni where i graduated from, i did d math and concluded there is no way d church could make profit in between paying salaries, building Infrastructure, Paying for research, conferences, providing 24 hr electricity, books provision, school maintenance et al.

Atleast they got the money used in building this uni from the offerings and tithe of members then they should also expect to get the money that will be used in running this uni from same members not by requesting to pay so much for the tuition fee. Who is deceiving who?

hmm....lemme humble myself and just pass

jeebz:
Another thread looking to condemn private christian universities.

1. Quality education is not cheap anywhere in the world. Check Harvard, Princeton and similar universities.
2. I believe that the church would have a scholarship scheme for bright students who are members and non-members of the church.
3. Remember, this is a second private university in Lagos.

We can only give them say a ten period before we judge.

If Jesus was the owner of this University, how much do you think will be the fees? If there would be any sef.
Ponder on that.

valuedammy:

Where they got the money used in building a world class uni, they will aslo get money to finance the uni every session...Is that understood?

I belong to the Church and let me tell you... I didn't contribute a dime. It wasn't announced and even my parents never contributed.

I heard the news first on Nairaland and I had to go do some research. Don't say what you don't know.

Most Deeperlifers dont't even know that the church has a university. Get it now!

Even Deeper Life! Building university that members can't afford to attend? Have always said that Pentecostalism + Capitalism = Satanism