MaziOmenuko:


Mary magdalene.

Have you made any effort to read her epistle or you embraced the ones Emperor Constantine stamped to be the acceptable ones?

jmoore:


Why not paste a quote here from her epistle to support your statement?

Jesus is the ultimate teacher, He never endorsed fornication or adultery. Therefore any apostle that supports fornication and adultery is of the devil.

MaziOmenuko:


Can you quote 2 verses in the bible where Jesus condemned fornication?

I am waiting...

NB: I said Jesus, and not Bro Holier-than-thou-celibate Paul

Image123:

cc: fromnigeria.
You'd be misquoting scriptures that way. Evidently, your interpretation means male and male can go and marry. It's not about ego but about order and function.

enigmatique:

Haba, of course not. The context of this passage was Paul telling the Galatians to not be carried away by the Jews of the Circumcision Party. These Jews were saying unless the new believers were circumcized and observed the Law of Moses, they were not yet believers. So Paul stepped in to affirm that Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female- we have all been elevated to the same level of being God's children because of our faith in Jesus Christ. Before, Gentiles like you and I couldn't be priests, now we can and we are. Why can't that now relate to males and females?

Now, let's say you still disagree. Is there a precedence of female leaders in the Bible? Was there Maryam, was there Deborah, was there Esther? In fact, God explicitly said in Micah 6:4 that he sent Moses, Aaron [b] and Maryam[/] to [b]lead[/] Israel out of captivity. Just check that verse.

enigmatique:

God bless you bro! That's the point. There isn't any discrimination or divide anymore. (Galatians 3:28)

I really believe that those commands by Paul were time and culture specific. It was just like the command to Timothy to drink alcohol for his illness. Do we do that today? No. So, this issue of women not leading is misguided at best and due to male ego at worst. Either way, it's wrong.

anukulapo:

In that case,there should be a convention where the bible should be reviewed. Since many of the things written are either obsolate or are culture specific.
As a matter of fact,none of the epistles we're written to churches in Nigeria.
In that case,Gal 3:28 applies only to the Galatians. That will be a fact and not cherry picvking.
What do you think?

Scalord:


If that conclusion is logical. Then Yahwey must be the tribal God of the Jews only because it was indicated clearly in the bible that jews were God's chosen people while the rest of us are gentiles.. except if historically we all descended from the biblical jewish nation which am sure is historically incorrect. So why are we killing ourselves worshipping a god that has marked out his people and territory.. while the rest of us can go to hell already? even Jesus was a jew.. if he was really the son of God why wasnt he born as a Roman in which case his miracles and accounts would have been historically acknowledged? and hey.. if he arose from the dead.. why didnt he just show himself to the whole word especially the Pontius pilate so we can all actually believe beyond all reasonable doubt.. why a select few, why ascend in the presence of a select few.. critical reasoning is needed here.

Image123:


Good to hear from you. The passage in question shows that we all have redemptive rights in Christ. It doesn't extend to marriage like we both agree. Same way too it doesn't extend to women teaching men in the church as that is inconsistency and incongruent coming from the same author. Miriam and other female leaders did not teach men in the church, there is a difference.

anukulapo:

In that case,there should be a convention where the bible should be reviewed. Since many of the things written are either obsolate or are culture specific.
As a matter of fact,none of the epistles we're written to churches in Nigeria.
In that case,Gal 3:28 applies only to the Galatians. That will be a fact and not cherry picking.
What do you think?

MaziOmenuko:
Paul was just a male-supremist who has little or no regard for women. At some point in the Bible, he was advising young unmarried men to be like him and remain single; then asking them to only get married if the konji becomes unbeaeable; what a dofus! So to him, the only reason for marriage is to fvck.

And the way he so wrote against relatnship in the Bible tells who he must be a sadist; no adultery, no funication, if u must kiss it ought to be a holy kiss; dude was just myopic.

makydebbie:
This issue of women/female pastors is a very delicate one and I want to know something once and for all....

Now I know views may differ but we all know the Bible is our absolute "as Christians."
But again in this same Bible we can find some paradoxical situations/scenarios and please before you get me wrong, by "paradoxical" I specifically refer to:

"A claim that two apparently contradictory ideas are true" or.

"An unanswerable question or difficult puzzle, particularly one which leads to a deeper truth."


I don't deal with the self-contradictory angle of paradox here.... Just wanted to be clear on that.



Now sometimes ago, I visited this church and the pastor that day preached like someone who was spoiling for a fight.... Well maybe because he was talking about women or probably it is because he was just being passionate about his preaching..... Whatever it was, that's not the issue.


The issue is what he preached about, "Women pastors and the place of women in the Kingdom of God especially in the church..."


The pastor said that any woman who is found behind the pulpit preaching as an ordained Pastor or preacher is in error and in total disobedience to God's Word and because God hates disobedience, these women will end up in hell.

Boyyy! He went on and on and even gave scriptures which I will drop here soon.

Now my mind started to wander to all the reputable women preachers I know.... From the Karthryn Kuhlmans of the past to the late Bimbo Odukoyas of the recent past and to the Arch-Bishop Margaret Idahosa, and even Pastor Paula White of the present.... Any for the future? (Time will tell)


Now, The Holy scriptures in the book of 1Corinthians chapter 14 vs 34 says, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak but they are to be submissive to, as the law also says."

Now we know it was the apostle Paul speaking here and he went on to add in verse 35 of same scripture, the following,

"And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church."



In verses 36, 37 and 38, Apostle Paul said strong words which makes me ask.......

But why do we still have Highly anointed women ministers being used by God to wrought miracles globally and take the gospel to many?

Why isn't God limiting their power or influence if they are to keep shut in the church? Or am I missing something?


Okay here is another scripture about this issue:

I Timothy.2v 8-15 says a lot but I will pick the key verses which is verses 11 and 12....


"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman TO TEACH or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence"

This was Paul writing to Timothy who was pastor of the Ephesian church.

The scriptures above said that women are not allowed to teach.... But then what happened in the case of Kathryn Kuhlman?? She was mightily used of God and taught the bible in ways that influenced many Christians till this day........


Did God make an exception of her here? Or am I still missing something?


We also have seen that in the same Bible that harbors the two key scriptures above, there was a woman named Deborah.... **quite a coincidence is it?**


Deborah was judge over all Israel... She was a prophetess and a Judge meaning she was spiritual leader and Also Ruler of Israel in those days. This could also mean that she taught the people God's ways and we know in the new testament that a woman is not to teach or have authority over the man.

Why was Deborah's case different? Even Queen Esther is another example... She was kinda a leader figure to her fellow Jews in her days with Mordecai as her guardian and mentor.

She (Esther) played her role well. So well in fact that Hamann, Israel's enemy was destroyed and Israel saved from annihilation.

The stories of Deborah and Esther can be found in the books of Judges chapters 4 and 5 And Esther chapters 1 to 10.


So back to this day..... I have a question that need an answer or answers.....

In the light of everything said here and said in the Bible and seen in the Bible and in the light of the fact that we have reputable and influential Women ministers who are doing great things or who seem to be doing great things in the world today...

ArcToyin:

You reasoned well.

Ioannes:


So in you words, Paul was wrong and Jesus was right?

I'm wondering what else is in the bible that is wrong. In fact on the basis of your submission we can't believe that the bible is free from errors.

If the Church of Christ can preach error then that means the word of Jesus that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church wouldn't make sense.

I'm glad you know that the word church means "the gathering of christian believers".

Preaching to the whole world is different from preaching and instructing when you're IN the "church".

You keep dodging my question and as long as you keep quoting me I'll keep asking you.

The 12 apostles of Jesus were all men, why is your own pastor a woman?

bukatyne:
@makydbbie:

This topic is one of the most controversial today.

I have done a personal search on the stand of women in the Bible and I honestly didn't see any implication that women are less reckoned with or acknowledged or that they couldn't lead.

A number of times, we confuse what God wants to what the peeps (godly and ungodly do.) For instance, we have polygamy.... while there might be no explicit scripture saying polygamy is a sin and the patriarchs of old heard several wives, God didn't intend polygamy in the beginning. Infact, the 'beloveds' also did horrible things like adultery, swindling, lying, murder etc which nobody justifies like we do polygamy.

@Pastorhood: I believe a pastor is called by God; clear voice, visions, signs etc all the works as in the Bible times so that solves it. If I know God genuinely called me to be a pastor, why should I fret?

I read Paul where he says women shouldn't bla bla and I still see him praise Priscilla for teaching Apollos (a male) in the synagogue. 1 Corinthians 11 : 8 - 10 says women are created for men, yet he goes on to say verses 11 - 12; 16.

As for women speaking in church in chapter 14, read vs 34 - 35 and vs 36 - 38. What does it say?

Read 1 Tim. 2: 11 - 14 and compare with vs 15.

Was Paul saying in verse 15 that Jesus was not enough to save women and they still needed Childbirth to save them? Is he saying that a childless woman cannot be saved? How do we reconcile that with his advice to shun marriage for God's work except if we can't abstain sexually?

I believe this discussion is borne out of pastors who called themselves or are appointed by a church like RCCG style.

If a church also has a doctrine of a woman not teaching/preaching in church, then their women abide or leave.

I would sha have problems with a church that has problems with women t ;Deaching/preaching and they still expect their women to serve food.... biko, the deacons (people who shared food for widows) were men.

makydebbie:
Thanks alot. I'll read the scriptures you gave, thanks for your contribution, I love your sense of humor.

bukatyne:
@makydebbie:

This topic is one of the most controversial today.

I have done a personal search on the stand of women in the Bible and I honestly didn't see any implication that women are less reckoned with or acknowledged or that they couldn't lead.

A number of times, we confuse what God wants to what the peeps (godly and ungodly do.) For instance, we have polygamy.... while there might be no explicit scripture saying polygamy is a sin and the patriarchs of old heard several wives, God didn't intend polygamy in the beginning. Infact, the 'beloveds' also did horrible things like adultery, swindling, lying, murder etc which nobody justifies like we do polygamy.

@Pastorhood: I believe a pastor is called by God; clear voice, visions, signs etc all the works as in the Bible times so that solves it. If I know God genuinely called me to be a pastor, why should I fret?

I read Paul where he says women shouldn't bla bla and I still see him praise Priscilla for teaching Apollos (a male) in the synagogue. 1 Corinthians 11 : 8 - 10 says women are created for men, yet he goes on to say verses 11 - 12; 16.

As for women speaking in church in chapter 14, read vs 34 - 35 and vs 36 - 38. What does it say?

Read 1 Tim. 2: 11 - 14 and compare with vs 15.

Was Paul saying in verse 15 that Jesus was not enough to save women and they still needed Childbirth to save them? Is he saying that a childless woman cannot be saved? How do we reconcile that with his advice to shun marriage for God's work except if we can't abstain sexually?

I believe this discussion is borne out of pastors who called themselves or are appointed by a church like RCCG style.

If a church also has a doctrine of a woman not teaching/preaching in church, then their women abide or leave.

I would sha have problems with a church that has problems with women teaching/preaching and they still expect their women to serve food.... biko, the deacons (people who shared food for widows) were men.

Cc: Ioannes

makydebbie:
No, I'm just curious and wanna be clear on things.

Miltonbit:

Can I have your direct mail? Need to chat with you privately.

makydebbie:
Makydebbie@yahoo.com.

MaziOmenuko:
Paul was just a male-supremist who has little or no regard for women. At some point in the Bible, he was advising young unmarried men to be like him and remain single; then asking them to only get married if the konji becomes unbeaeable; what a dofus! So to him, the only reason for marriage is to fvck.

And the way he so wrote against relatnship in the Bible tells who he must be a sadist; no adultery, no funication, if u must kiss it ought to be a holy kiss; dude was just myopic.

randomperson:
Op, Deborah and Esther never preached in church. Deborah was a judge while Esther was a queen. The bible was clear when it said that women should be quiet... It was reiterated in other places too, all in the new testament...
The only reason the church and Christians allow women to preach now is because the church is trying to modify it's principles to align with the general ideals of this time and age. When the bible was written, women were not considered equal to men... In fact the bible explicitly says woman was made for man and not man for woman.
This just goes to show that the bible and it's principles are not infallible and not for all times and purposes

Milonis:


No, brother, that was never a case of worth. You need to find Bibles with commentary and read about women apostles

Aashik:
O my, o my.... What a set of confused BIGOTS. some chapters where Paul glaringly contradict what Jesus PBUH teachings, u say he is filled with Holy Shit(spirit). Now He tells u sth, u you say he is a misogynist. You neither follows/obeys Jesus nor abide by ur surposed misleader. Truely u r totally drown in confusion. Shio

EvangelistNdudi:
Op, thank you for those bible verses
But to answer your question, I will ask you this
Did Deborah preach in Synagogue(church)?
Did Esther preach in Synagogue?

If we can believe that bible was writing by men with the wisdom of GOD
Then we need not to over flog what the bible say concerning women and the church

Women can teach women in another place (not in the church)


I have said it before and I will say it again
If you want to serve God
Serve him the way he want, not the way you want

You can't serve God in your way and want him to answer you in your way

Justmeal:
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5 ), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12 ). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23 ), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18–20 ; Acts 1:8 ; 1 Peter 3:15 ).


God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3–5 ).

The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.