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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 8:34pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
tintingz: @bold and underlined, may Allah bless your brain. I have nothing to add. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 8:56pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
is @tintingz no longer a muslim ni? he sounds like he isnt? he said "In fact I knew this as a Muslim then(even many Muslims too) I just defend " |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:02pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
people have conquered people all over history for different reasons. Religion, Democracy, Colonialism, etc etc. Really we could chose to go along sunni shia divide anytime anyday. however there are things we can all agree on. What is wrong in conquering people during that time to accept islam, lets note the conquering happened during early muslims, not neccesarily during the time of the Prophet. They fought wars during the Prophet's time and it was mostly for self defence. and during war you let your enemies fear you. this is standard. during any war, either when the mongols were conquering lands, it was done striking fear and terror into people. Now we all can agree ISIS and the rest arent muslims and they arent at war either, i mean real war, because who are they fighting against? they are fools and thats me being mild they are animals and there is more than just religion regarding ISIS, this is a fact. 3 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:04pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Demmzy15: You better don't develop Armageddon of the brain with your "albaqir-shia imaginary thinking". # Gbogbo yin sun ekori sibikan naa ni. # Kuffar waging war with Muslim, and Muslims defending themselves with orders from the Quran as you and brothers posted those beautiful ayah. I don't have any problem with that. And that has never been my point of submission as you want the worlds to believe. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:05pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
so whats wrong with saying i have been made victorious over my enemy and my enemies fear me? whats the english meaning of terror? terror means extreme fear. people have extreme fear for spiders etc. So what is wrong? Please if you want to reject hadith, you can, don't turn it to what its not. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:07pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir: wat you are saying and wat tintingz is saying is different at least to me. dont let the shia and sunni divide block that |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:10pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
tintingz: what brainwashed program. you need to go and reset your brain. the northern part of nigeria has so many things the south west can learn from and vice versa. dont let tribalism blind you. even with the high level of education in the south there are so many things lacking starting from the family unit. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:14pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
what was america trying to do when, when they droped bomb on hiroshima, cuddle? 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:15pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie: # Madam, nobody is questioning the defensive wars Muslim fought against the Kuffar. In fact that's not even the subject matter at all. # The truth is post-Nabi era was full of blood and terrorism at the hands of Muslims disturbing the peace of the world in the name of Islam and the Prophet. They justify these acts with various ahadith some of which have been posted above. # Saying ISIS, BOKO HARAM etc are not Muslim is a way of running away from the truth. Are they pagan or christian or Jew? They are Muslims no doubt about that. And all their atrocities (terror attack, slavery, child forced marriage, etc) are justified by what is written in "Islamic" books of jurisdictions. Here's one out of many: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_of_the_Traveller 2 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:22pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
there are hadiths i disagree with or better put i don't understand its context etc. and some i have come to understand are best understood when explained. Some are often twisted similar to how some muslims twist the some verses of the Quran, until a muhadith explain better and u will be like ohhhhh. Its a learning process, you never know it all is al baqir saying he agrees with all the Al kafi? because i can give myself job and go and start finding faults in it, i am sure i will see. when you look at something with the mindset of finding faults, you will see faults thats how the human mind work 2 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:24pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir: Millions of Africans were enslaved by the Arabs under that aspect of the so-called "Islamic" law. The interesting part is: every Islamic country has abolished slavery, declaring it a criminal act. By contrast, most of these so-called "Islamic" clerics still consider it permissible and humane. Secondly, Islamic scholars definitely promote child marriage and NONE of them has ever directly condemned slavery. They believe that it is part of the Shari'ah. Let me do it this way. I am sure you are aware that most Islamic scholars believe that the world is divided into two parts only: 1. Dar as-Salam (peace zone): This refers to countries under Shari'ah rule. 2. Dar al-Harb (warzone): This refers to every country with no Shari'ah government. If you study some books of Islamic jurisprudence, it is said that anyone you kill in the warzone territories (e.g. Europe, America, etc), you are excused. OK. Let us say some Muslim fundamentalists decide to wage war against a warzone country "to bring Islam" to them. If the warzone country loses the war, all the males in it are either massacred or enslaved, and the women are turned into sex slaves. These are rulings you find in books of Islamic jurisprudence (if you care to read any). As for child marriage, most Islamic scholars believe that it is perfectly OK to have sex with an 8-year-old child-bride. Ask any of them to condemn the practice and he will instantly excommunicate you from Islam. Personally, I reject these interpretations of Islam and the so-called "authentic ahadith" upon which they are based. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Demmzy15(m): 9:25pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Lol, so the kuffar can always be on the offensive while Muslims should be on the defense (!?) You see why I saw your thinking is messed up? What's wrong if Muslims go on offensive against some of the kuffar especially when it is known they're dangerous? Muslims always fought the Byzantines, why? Because they were a people who won't hesitate to annihilate you if they had the chance, you don't need to give them the chance. Same applied with the mongols and other invaders. But I don't blame you because, you Shias Jihad is always against Muslims. History testifies to this fact: 1. Shias killing Muslims and seizing the black stone. 2. Shias and Alliance with the crusaders against Muslims especially the Seljuks. 3. Shias cooperation with the mongols. 4. Shia Shah Isma'eel and his barbarism on Persian Muslims. 5. Shia present killing of Syrians. Have you ever wondered why Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah(rah) was always fierce against Shias? It was because of their support against Muslims and their Alliance with the mongols and Crusaders. This invaders always conquered Muslims through the Shia parts! Your history speaks alot! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:27pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir: one and two i agree with. three point. yes they arent muslims, they may say they are and justify with the islamic books. that still doesnt make them muslims, because we all know thats not what the books say, and theyve stepped over the limits. they dont justify with hadiths only, they also justify with quran. you and i can both atleast agree thats not what the Quran says, even thou ISIS subscribe to the sunni creed, if we look back at history we will see the shias and sunnis has there contributions. even in today syria, sunnis and shia have both contributed, so we can do that blame game all day i dont relly on wikipedia too much anyone can edit, if yu have another link pls share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:31pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
@albaqir even till today there are people who hide under islamic laws to do all sorts. but we all can agree its not islamic but cultural. they think there is no divide between islamic and cultural law, and a good example is how women are treated. there are lots of cultural laws that have been painted with religious brush this we can agree on. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:34pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie: # No one has ever declared every hadith in al-Kafi as authentic. In fact less than 6000 hadiths are graded Sahih out of 15-17000 ahadith in it. And there are some fraction who are core fanatics (the Akhbaris) believing every single hadith in al-Kafi is Sahih and they try hard to give explanation to it. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 9:38pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
people try to justify their actions all the time and its not limited to religion. its human behaviour. i dont subscribe to dogmatism. whew this is d longest i hv posted for quite sometime |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Demmzy15(m): 9:40pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir: 1 Like
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tintingz(m): 9:42pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie:The brainwash program we see causing mayhem, chaos in the northern part of Nigeria. the northern part of nigeria has so many things the south west can learn from and vice versa. dont let tribalism blind you. even with the high level of education in the south there are so many things lacking starting from the family unit.What I posted is/was just the plain reality, I apologize if it sound tribalism, I'm not a tribalist. The thing is, the religious orientation in the south-west is different from that of north, although there are religious discrimination in the west but the north is way higher. Mosque and church in south-west can be in the same compound, vicinity without no clash, people live in harmony, in the north it is a different story. Why this in the north? Is it because of the preachings they pass to the northern people or what? Southwest people marry each other like my mum she was a christian before she married my Muslim father, imagine having christian family and Muslim family. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:45pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie: # Even the Munafiqun are/were not removed from the fold of "Islam". Munafiqun are/were Muslims. ISIS et al remain Muslims even at primary declaration of shahadatain and if they never declare it batil publicly, they remain Muslim. # Please never think am blaming ISIS, BOKO HARAM et al on Sunnism. Every sect has their own virus # I only post the info and name of the book via Wikipedia. You can easily search via whatever reliable web and read. There are many more of those books. ISIS for example are fond of the fatawa of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdulwahab. This is no longer fact. And where were those " shuyukh " derived their fatawa? 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tintingz(m): 9:48pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie:Lol, I'm still a Muslim, just a liberal one. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 9:58pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
tintingz: Heh...bro. E be like say you no know wetin dey go on again in the southwest. We now have a lots of troglodytes. There are lots of fatawa manufacturers declaring anything and anybody that doesn't follow their idea "Bid'ah". # Today, many youths in various higher institutions are following these troglodytes in the name of Sunnah. # One of them, Jabata has publicly declared that if he has power today, he will excommunicate or kill all the "Bid'ah-tists." E even declared his thugs very ready. Those in Ibadan can also tell a lot about another troglodyte called Abu Ibeji. These are blood thirsty vampires ready to kill anybody in the name of Islam. And obviously they have "justifications" galore in the book of ahadith and fatawa of the Salafs. 3 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 10:06pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie: # I agree with you 100% but am afraid that doesn't move a troglodyte. # For example, child marriage (8 - 9 year old child). What's your take on it, sincerely. Both Shia and Sunni have authentic ahadith that a 8 - 9 year Old child is ready for marriage. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tintingz(m): 10:06pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Sissie:So you support early Muslims conquering nations? Do you know the meaning when a group conquer another group and keep slaves? Terror comes with violent, destructive(which is the same as terrorism) so saying Prophet Muhammad(SA) was a mercy to mankind is irony, it should be a terror to mankind(from hadith perspective) And lastly, ISIS ARE MUSLIMS. 2 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tintingz(m): 10:21pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir:And if you study these Dracula Muslim leaders either they are not from southwest or study outside southwest. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 10:24pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
tintingz: You are absolutely right. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 12:41am On Mar 04, 2017 |
AlBaqir:You fall my hand with ahadith you cited. You know too well there are similar Quranic verses. Those ahadith you cited are to be understood in their contextual basis. I dont think i need to say more. It is usually "Quranites" that say what you just said. Dont stoop low akhi |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 12:48am On Mar 04, 2017 |
tintingz: LOL, I dont know the cool aid you are drinking. escept for certain states i dont know where u see mayhem and chaos one: in regions with a predominant religion, its harder to see inter religious marriages, even in situations like muslim men being allowed to marry christian woman, it is still harder to find, its not impossible, its just harder and its not about tolerance only either. two: areas with predominant christians in the norths have churches, i.e sabon gari in kano etc. Many people until recently thought borno didnt have significant christian populations. there are states in the north with significant christian populations who have no issues ie Bauchi, gombe etc, why would you need a mosque and a church in the same vicinity? when the settlements are divided along tribal and religious lines? so not having church and mosque in the same compound means no tolerance?? if they were more mixed families then maybe church and mosque will be in the same vicinity. In igbo land with predominant Christians, same rules apply. how many yoruba muslim males are marrying igbo female chritians? the population of that is small too. law of probability three: in the US there are areas where mosques cant be built because the people dont want it. thats a predominant non muslim commmunity. so that is normal. four: the south almost has a blance of muslim and christian population so by that alone its understandable while they have more inter religious marriage, the mathematics alone proves the probability of that happening more, its not all about tolerance. remember its allowed islamically for a muslim man to marry non muslim. and northeners know this too. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 12:50am On Mar 04, 2017 |
AlBaqir: i consider the timeline of that period vis a vis the timeline we are now. hope that answers the question. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 1:06am On Mar 04, 2017 |
tintingz: terror to his enemy not mankind, 2 different things. war comes with terror. they were at war, they werent cuddling. Allah's Messenger said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, AND I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS WITH TERROR (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." what does terror mean here? fear. and no terror doesnt always come with violent. a boss can terrorise his employee etc etc and it could be good or bad, depending on the context. and conquering nations was what people did then. you either conquer or be conquered, its not how it is now oh, with nations and all. slavery was the norm, what was wrong was how some slaves were treated. read economic histories not just religion and understand slavery i.e the feudal system and how economic systems changed over time. it was empires fighting and conqueering themselves ie the fight against byzantine empire, if they had not gone to conquer they would have conquered them. ie the persian empire were zoroastrians and empires conquered empires, rule, take slaves, land etc etc. read up on the empires at that time and the modus operandi. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:18am On Mar 04, 2017 |
tintingz:This is pure politics not religious one. They use religion for cover up. I would imagine you know better "I've been made victorious with terror". I will accept this statement if it was Adolf Hitler.You know it is like Sura Maida 51. it is f00lish if anyone thinks Quran is talking about ALL Jews and ALL Christians. Same applies here. It is oblivious the statement was made ONLY against people at war with Muslims those times. Definitely not terror against ALL kufar. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:20am On Mar 04, 2017 |
Sissie:This is what EVERYTHING is about today. FACT |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:28am On Mar 04, 2017 |
Demmzy15: Disagree with you. I am not aware of "preemptive war" in islam. You surely sound like George Bush here ALL you could do is protect your borders. Now you falling to albaqir's trap 1 Like |
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