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Image123:
You shot yourself in the foot as usual as your thread initially seeks for people to tell you what their communion with God has yielded. Now you have gone ahead to list the many things communion with God achieves, then pout like a kid "I don't believe". Of course, are you not an UNBELIEVER?
BTW, i don't laugh at greek or roman or any gods being real, some are.

HardMirror:
Lol
You would say anything as long as it makes your god look good. Now the greek gods and roman gods could be real? Wow!
The aztecs and mayans cut out the heart of people to sacrifice to their gods for good harvest, I am sure you would also agree that when ever they have good harvests it is because they sacrificed human hearts to their gods, right? You would agree good harvest is from their gods, just as a christian having a scientific discovery and attributing it to god is also in order.
Indeed religion is a brain drain, you are a living evidence.

Image123:
The Bible attests to the reality of other gods if you care to study. It's not an opinion i just formulated for you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you and i are equally entitled to disagree with it. Your OP assumed people don't have benefits communing/communicating with God/gods. Hopefully by now, you see that's an ignorant and hasty generalisation/assumption. Dogs are useful to you but not to all, same way gods are useful to some but not all. Only a busy body increases his blood pressure by such silly arguments crying more than the bereaved. We have yet to see the value of you who is not a brain drain. I'm very sure your family, relatives, neighbors and nation are not all excited about you, so what exactly is your value that theists don't have. Or you think rationality is simply by name calling?

HardMirror:
You that has the ability to speak with god and hear him. How many problems of mankind has god revealed solutions of to you?
I try my best as a human, but I don't claim to have access to a supposed "almighty god". You are the ones who should prove this god actually contributes to your abilities beyond those of us who have no gods. So where is the prove?

Image123:
Obviously, if you were told what He did, you wouldn't believe. If i discovered a new cure or invention and told you it was God, you've already said you would not believe. So what exactly do you want?

dalaman:
No scientist has claimed God told him to mix A ND B and he'll get C. All they do is just thank God for giving them the wisdom, something they got through their personal hard work and determination.

Juse as hardmirror said, ab athlete trains very hard for 4 years, competes in an olympic event and wins a medal, then he goes ahead and gives thanks to God. How did God help him win?

Image123:
You may want to ask them. The other athletes that lost out or couldn't participate also trained for four years or more, certainly that's not the ONLY determining factor. Many people work very hard, harder than anyone all their lives without results. Wisdom is the principal thing, ever heard that?

Image123:
You may want to ask them. The other athletes that lost out or couldn't participate also trained for four years or more, certainly that's not the ONLY determining factor. Many people work very hard, harder than anyone all their lives without results. Wisdom is the principal thing, ever heard that?

dalaman:
My point is saying that God made you achieve something without telling us how he did it is empty. Muslims, Hindus, christians etc all ascribe their various achievements to their various Gods after working hard and doing all that is expected of them.

dalaman:
My point is saying that God made you achieve something without telling us how he did it is empty. Muslims, Hindus, christians etc all ascribe their various achievements to their various Gods after working hard and doing all that is expected of them.

HardMirror:
the question you shld ask yourself is, "won't someone always emerge the winner?"
8 people are running, out of the 8, one person must be the winner. So what is the big deal? How is that god in action?

HardMirror:
Image123 is just being dubious. Claiming a god helped u achieve something is just too ambiguous

Image123:
The question you should ask yourself is why you do not hear the majority of the people that emerge winners ascribe the glory to God/god. i guess they are dumber than you are but more accomplished than you wish. You asked for the benefits, now you need proof of the benefits. i wonder what you'd ask next. God is not a physical being but a Spirit.
To help you, let me explain in terms of MOTIVATION. Though it's more than that but i hope that explains it better. God, communication or communion with God motivates people to those benefits you list and know. Like money motivates some to greatness or winning. i suppose that's less ambiguous. People think and work towards solution, pray, commune etc until that Eureka inspiration moment. The number, magnitude and frequency from time immemorial is too staggering to be ignored or waved aside by cynical people who are no better.

Image123:
i don't disbelieve them, you're the one that does. The OP asked for the usefulness of communing with God and i gave him common knowledge. Thousands of people from time immemorial have stated that God/gods have been useful to them contrary to the ignoring presumption of the OP. Dogs are useful personally to him but not to millions of other people.

Image123:
i don't disbelieve them, you're the one that does. The OP asked for the usefulness of communing with God and i gave him common knowledge. Thousands of people from time immemorial have stated that God/gods have been useful to them contrary to the ignoring presumption of the OP. Dogs are useful personally to him but not to millions of other people.

HardMirror:
Smh.
It is still the same. You win a race, you can choose to thank anything you like. Some actually thank god because they feel it is an opportunity to exult their religion. As I said, it does not make it real. Cutting out hearts does not bring good harvest. God does not help people win races.
If I claimed a dog helped me detect a bomb, it is practical and can be proven. It is not just a claim. So asking for prove is in order.

HardMirror:
Imagine your child gets lost in the woods (in a country where they do things right), is god useful or a dog useful in tracking the child?

Doing incidences of collapsed buildings and natural disaster; is god useful or are dogs useful in search and rescue?

dalaman:
I disbelieve them because tey haven't show us how any God has helped them achieve anything. They do all that is expected of them, after achieving something they simply regurgitate the tradition of attributing it to their God. Nothing there at all. Every body does that. It's a normal human behavior amongst religious people. The claims remain empty, since no one has been able to demonstrate how his/ her God alone has specifically helped him/her achieve any thing, they wouldn't have been able to achieve without doing what was expected of themm

Image123:
You may not get physical proof for something abstract. Like the analogy that i made, If i said that money was my motivation to win, how do i prove it? Am i the only contestant that had money as motivation? While it may not add up like 2+2, it doesn't change the fact that money can be a motivation to achieve. You asked the benefits of communing with God and listed them later, remember? Some people do receive inspiration and some kind of firing up after communion with God. That answers your question and OP. If you cannot understand such a simple thing, it would get more abstract for you if explained other ways.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

HardMirror:
By the way image123, don't forget that religious people praise god in all situations. Even those that did not win, even in failure. So it is self defeating to claim god does anything, after all, he/she/it is praised in all situation.

Unlike a dog, I can't claim a dog rescued my child if a dog was never involved in the rescue. But god is praised in all. Different gods, all situations, it's just a cluster of confusion and self delusion.

Image123:
Lol, God is not your boy or maid. It's as foolish as me concluding that you are not useful because you do not wash my clothes. You are not compelled to such function, even though you may do it for whatever reason you choose. God does lead people though. i recall a friend whose truck(only source of income then) got stolen. We(the church) prayed and suddenly the 'idea'came as to where to look. It was a strange and impossible place to look, but we did look in faith. Lo and behold, it was there, and it was recovered. The then 'unserious' brother is a pastor today. He was too shocked, and not only him we were. God can help you get what you are looking for, and He can choose not to. He is Sovereign, duh.
Dogs have combed several places in search of missing people and in crime scenes, sometimes to no avail. It doesn't mean they are useless. Torchlights have their days and usefulness too but it would be silly to conclude they have no use since they couldn't help you locate your lost keys. The point is that people have several testimonies of how God helped them and saved them from being lost, from ritualists, kidnappers etc. You can't take it away from them. Your ignorance and lack of a broad perspective does not stop the work of God.

HardMirror:
Of cos God can be your motivation. Even a dead person can be enough motivation. But a dead person is not as useful to me as a living or dead dog. If I had a dead dog, I could choose to convert the dog to food. That is by the way anyway.

Having money as motivation does not mean I communed with money and money told me how to win a race. So is "god", god could be a source of motivation, but how do you commune with this "god" and how did he help an athlete win a race? Motivation is in the head, so perhaps god is not real just as so many things we could draw motivation from. I could draw motivation from Elsa in the animated movie "FROZEN" or from Harry Potter too

Image123:
They are simply grateful, you are not. Or is there a new scientific meter to measure gratefulness?

HardMirror:
The God u just described above is called "Coincidence". All glory be to Coincidence, the God of all christians. If it happens then it is his/her/it's will, if it does not happen, it is still his/her/it's will. That is called Coincidence. So do you worship coincidence?

Image123:
Remember your question, you asked for the benefits of communicating/communing with God/gods. People get their motivation from it and go on to become achievers. Look for your own motivation and stop hating mister. God definitely works for a lot of people as we can both attest to. If Potter works for you, what are you waiting for already?

Image123:
Hmmm coincidence. The splitiing of the red sea was also coincidence i guess, or the straightening and equalling of the legs of someone we once lived together. i'd rather worship such coincidence than be as confused as the average atheist.

HardMirror:
When was the red sea spitted? I guess harry potter killing voldermot is also real

Image123:
Hmmm coincidence. The splitiing of the red sea was also coincidence i guess, or the straightening and equalling of the legs of someone we once lived together. i'd rather worship such coincidence than be as confused as the average atheist.

HardMirror:
Does your god work?
Afterall if you ask him/her/it for something and he/her/it does not answer (for obvious reasons of course), you still praise your god. So if I take potter as my god, I don't really need harry potter to work. Meaning anything can be god. You just rely on probability and if you are lucky even the most improbably probability can coincidentally fall in place for you.
Who needs god?
But we sure need drugs for jobs dogs can do, it's not coincidence. It is realistic expectation proven outcomes.

adepeter26:
Ohh blood of lucifer

Image123:
The blood of lucifer has yet to save one soul, save your breath.

HardMirror:
This is not a benefit of man's interaction with God. Besides, which God created heaven and earth and how do you know.

this is what a book claims. The chinese, Yorubas, Ibos, american indians all have different creation stories. This is just one of the many versions with no evidence.



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Is this a benefit of your daily interaction with God?


Lol
Is this a benefit of your daily communication with god?


You can choose to call yourself son of anything just to help your low self esteem.
As nigerians would say, "how does that put money in my account?"
This has no benefit what so ever than self delusion.



No it is amazing that you are not intelligent at all to understand the comparism.


Now listen.

Originally Man has no communication or relationship with dogs. But when we domesticated them and learned to understand them and teach them to understand us, we have been able to benefit immensely from the relationship.

Let us assume God exists, so we men developed relationship with this God, to the extent that billions of people claim that this god can speak to humans and humans speak to this god.
Now the question is, imagine what revelations you can get if actually humans can speak to God. So what are the things this communication with God has done for humanity so far?