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Hairyrapunzel:
Where in the bible did God say people should never participate in any kind of war that they should die instead? You people say God's wOrd whereas that statement may not be in the bible

am not interested in all this psycho discussions okay , am more interested in what the Bible says and how often we try to apply them in our lives as Christians , Simple question for you : Can a Christian be a Soldier ?

ChristianFreedo:
Thank you for your response

In order words, they didn't condemn it. They instead tried to placate Hitler by condemning the same people he was killing in order to look good. The league of nations that condemned the atrocities committed by Hitler, was condemn before Hitler as well in order to appear Pro Germany in a number of ways.

My brother, stop defending the indefensible. There is a reason Watchtower refuses to discuss the letter to Hitler and the declaration of fact. They compromised, and the world that saw those documents knows it.


The bloodshed in the hands of watchtower and it's leader is massing up to the heavens. Someday, God will call them to account.

And meanwhile, save your strength. Because you will need it to defend the actions of watchtower in Malawi and Mexico.

SHUT UP!

have explained it all to you what they meant by ideals and Even quote their responses to this allegations in the Awake 1998, and yet you are still running mouth .



The Society said the denunciation of "commercial Jews" in the Declaration "clearly did not refer to the Jewish people in general, and it is regrettable if it has been misunderstood and has given cause for any offense." It explained that Jehovah's Witnesses rejected antisemitic views, and that the "high ideals" they shared with the Nazis were those of family values and religious freedom. [7]

Religious scientist Gabriele Yonan, who described the Declaration of Facts as a "petition", an "appeal" and a "sermon", said its text, in the context of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses during the Nazi regime, had nothing to do with antisemitic statements and currying favor with Hitler, adding, [b] " These accusations made by today's church circles are deliberate manipulations and historical misrepresentations." [20]

Yonan said the Declaration did not address Hitler as "Fuhrer" and did not conclude with the words "Heil Hitler", as was the case at the time in most official church documents addressed to state authorities. [21] She said the absence of influence by the antisemitic terminology of the period was evident from the Declaration's free use of Old Testament quotations that include the term "Zion".

That was how one was arguing that Yahweh is correct not Jehovah , despite the fact that he knows his forefathers have been using Jehovah in English for a long time , but I know why ? If Jehovahs Witnesses have chosen Yahweh, this same people would cry foul again that Jehovah is correct since most hebrew names in the bible starts with " Jeho" , Jehoshaphat, Jehoram e.t.c .


and what if the Witnesses at that time have dedicated a whole article to sympathize with the Jews , this same apostate would have said definitely they are financed by Jews , or why would they be so concerned , if there is nothing between them . so the accusation is right, and they lied that they aint been financed by Jews . doing that would definitely weaken the claim that they are not financed by Jews .

in other news, whatever the witness did is not just right with this apostates , So let them be bro @ Jozzy4 , sent u a pm.

Jozzy4:
am not interested in all this psycho discussions okay , am more interested in what the Bible says and how often we try to apply them in our lives as Christians , Simple question for you : Can a Christian be a Soldier ?

Still doesnt change the fact that Rutherford supported Nazi anti semitic policies. Rutherford hated the Jews too. Too much evidence to show for it.
A christian can be a soldier and a soldier can be a christian the bible never condemned any christian soldier or being in the army.

Jozzy4:
Nobody @ Bold, he knows he is deceiving himself , you would hardly see him on any meaningful bible discussion thread . all he knows is shout Jw up and down , [b]Tomorrow [/b]this apostate will [b]attend meeting and smile with Brothers [/b]who dont know he is only a traitor whose aim is to ruin his fellow man , but Jehovah would fish him out soon . AM 100% SURE about this . I only respond to their silly allegations because of people reading not for them.

Bold 1. Yes! From all indications. Bold 2 and 3. It is satanic to smile to deceive people whom you so much have see as bad people and it is devilish to participate in wrong doing consistently and give reasons why you must continue with the wrong doing but have every reasons while orders must be condemned.

Jozzy4:
SHUT UP!

have explained it all to you what they meant by ideals and Even quote their responses to this allegations in the Awake 1998, and yet you are still running mouth .



The Society said the denunciation of "commercial Jews" in the Declaration "clearly did not refer to the Jewish people in general, and it is regrettable if it has been misunderstood and has given cause for any offense." It explained that Jehovah's Witnesses rejected antisemitic views, and that the "high ideals" they shared with the Nazis were those of family values and religious freedom. [7]

Religious scientist Gabriele Yonan, who described the Declaration of Facts as a "petition", an "appeal" and a "sermon", said its text, in the context of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses during the Nazi regime, had nothing to do with antisemitic statements and currying favor with Hitler, adding, [b] " These accusations made by today's church circles are deliberate manipulations and historical misrepresentations." [20]

Yonan said the Declaration did not address Hitler as "Fuhrer" and did not conclude with the words "Heil Hitler", as was the case at the time in most official church documents addressed to state authorities. [21] She said the absence of influence by the antisemitic terminology of the period was evident from the Declaration's free use of Old Testament quotations that include the term "Zion".

Why say someone should shut up? y become so aggressive? or is it because he is showing you how deceitful watchtower was? ok let me show you again. With what I have seen so far the watchtower leaders are narcissistic bastards who have no feelings for their followers lives.

"Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position" The Golden Age 1927 Feb 23 p.343

"The Jews were evicted from Palestine and ‘their house left unto them desolate’ because they rejected Christ Jesus, the beloved and anointed King of Jehovah. To this day the Jews have not repented of this wrongful act committed by their forefathers. … In 1917 the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors. ... The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved." Vindication - Book II (1932) pp.257-258

THIS LOOKS LIKE A HATE MESSAGE TO ME. WHY DID THEY HATE JEWS SO MUCH LIKE NAZI GERMANS?
now it has become commercial Jews in their letter there was no mention of commercial Jews. So watchtower was jealous of rich and industrious Jews like Nazi Germans lol.

olaolaking:
This response wants me to question more, are you truly serious? You call that whistle blowing? The thing is that you constantly do same things to justify your wrong doing? I am beginning to beg you. Please examine yourself. I have always respect people's beliefs when it comes to religion. But you are just so different. I call for self examination on your part. It is very important

It's okay. You have tried before, it didn't work. Why not rest the case? Okay? Rest the case.

ChristianFreedo:
It's okay. You have tried before, it didn't work. Why not rest the case? Okay? Rest the case.

You have really not responded reasonably enough though. Do you agree?

Jozzy4:
SHUT UP!


have explained it all to you what they meant by ideals and Even quote their responses to this allegations in the Awake 1998, and yet you are still running mouth .



The Society said the denunciation of "commercial Jews" in the Declaration "clearly did not refer to the Jewish people in general, and it is regrettable if it has been misunderstood and has given cause for any offense." It explained that Jehovah's Witnesses rejected antisemitic views, and that the "high ideals" they shared with the Nazis were those of family values and religious freedom. [7]

Religious scientist Gabriele Yonan, who described the Declaration of Facts as a "petition", an "appeal" and a "sermon", said its text, in the context of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses during the Nazi regime, had nothing to do with antisemitic statements and currying favor with Hitler, adding, [b] " These accusations made by today's church circles are deliberate manipulations and historical misrepresentations." [20]

Yonan said the Declaration did not address Hitler as "Fuhrer" and did not conclude with the words "Heil Hitler", as was the case at the time in most official church documents addressed to state authorities. [21] She said the absence of influence by the antisemitic terminology of the period was evident from the Declaration's free use of Old Testament quotations that include the term "Zion".

@bolded, a typical Jw response when backed to a corner. Have seen many of your type before.

That was how one elder pop his eyes and and grind his teeth at me when I told him of 1975 . He basically called me a liar. When I should he documented proof, he went from 'the society didn't published those', to 'even if they did, let them, I still believe them'.

When I thought of it, I came to understand why. How can he accept the organisation prophecies falsely about 1975? Even the source of the message about 1975, the organisation, denied their own message.

So, you can tell me to shut up or shut down. Its nothing new.

One elder told me that if someone has God Holy spirit, he will arrived at the same conclusion as the organisation in doctrine, and I asked him, if you don't have the spirit, you wouldn't. He chuckle, tried to beat about the bush.

I asked him. Since they had the Holy spirit and arrived at those conclusion, why has the conclusion change over the last 20years? My guess was, he knew his response didn't have any sense at all. He was just busy rephrasing his indoctrination, with absolutely no biblical understanding.

At the end, he used style and left.

olaolaking:
You have really not responded reasonably enough though. Do you agree?

I believe you should allow the issue rest. You can't force me and will never be able to.

ChristianFreedo:
I believe you should allow the issue rest. You can't force me and will never be able to.

Yeah! Very true. But you can see things by yourself now. The reason while you have no answer to this is very clear to you. Now I am cleared. Now I can rest while you continue to do what you know how to do best.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.............................
ONE morning, High Priest Aaron stood at the entrance of Jehovah’s tabernacle, holding an incense-burning fire holder. Nearby, Korah along with 250 men were also offering incense to Jehovah, each one with his own fire holder. ( Num. 16:16-18 ) At first glance, all the men seemed to be LOYAL worshippers of Jehovah. Unlike Aaron, however, the others were arrogant renegades attempting to usurp the priesthood. ( Num. 16:1-11 ) They had deluded themselves into thinking that God would accept their worship. But such an expectation was insulting to Jehovah, who can read hearts and could see their HYPOCRISY.— Jer. 17:10 .
Appropriately, the day before, Moses had predicted: “In the morning Jehovah will make known who belongs to him.” (Num. 16:5 ) Sure enough, Jehovah differentiated between genuine worshippers and counterfeit ones when “a fire came out from Jehovah and consumed [Korah and] the 250 men offering the incense.” ( Num. 16:35; 26:10 ) At the same time, Jehovah spared the life of Aaron, signaling approval of the real
priest and genuine worshipper of God.— Read 1 Corinthians 8:3 .
A similar situation arose some 1,500 years later in the apostle Paul’s day. Certain professed Christians adopted false teachings; yet, they continued to associate with the congregation. To the casual observer, these APOSTATES might not have been different from others in the congregation. But their APOSTASY presented a danger to faithful Christians. These wolves in sheep’s clothing began “subverting the faith of some.” ( 2 Tim. 2:16-18 ) Jehovah is no casual observer, however, and Paul would have known this from the way God handled the situation with the rebels—Korah and his supporters—centuries earlier.

Hairyrapunzel:
A christian can be a soldier and a soldier can be a christian the bible never condemned any christian soldier or being in the army.

He who carry the sword , perish by the sword . Jesus saying this reveal his followers are not to carry arm or weapons .

would Jesus Permit his Followers to Join the military ? reason it yourself, how can you Love your enemies when you kill them at the warfront as a Soldier ?


God’s servants at the last days would “beat their swords into plowshares” and not “learn war anymore.”—
Isaiah 2:4 .

Infact .... The
Encyclopedia of Religion and War states: “The earliest followers of Jesus rejected war and military service,” recognizing those practices as “incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction to love one’s enemies.”

Likewise, German theologian Peter Meinhold said of those early disciples of Jesus: “Being a Christian and a soldier was considered irreconcilable.”

achorladey:
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.............................
ONE morning, High Priest Aaron stood at the entrance of Jehovah’s tabernacle, holding an incense-burning fire holder. Nearby, Korah along with 250 men were also offering incense to Jehovah, each one with his own fire holder. ( Num. 16:16-18 ) At first glance, all the men seemed to be LOYAL worshippers of Jehovah. Unlike Aaron, however, the others were arrogant renegades attempting to usurp the priesthood. ( Num. 16:1-11 ) They had deluded themselves into thinking that God would accept their worship. But such an expectation was insulting to Jehovah, who can read hearts and could see their HYPOCRISY.— Jer. 17:10 .
Appropriately, the day before, Moses had predicted: “In the morning Jehovah will make known who belongs to him.” (Num. 16:5 ) Sure enough, Jehovah differentiated between genuine worshippers and counterfeit ones when “a fire came out from Jehovah and consumed [Korah and] the 250 men offering the incense.” ( Num. 16:35; 26:10 ) At the same time, Jehovah spared the life of Aaron, signaling approval of the real
priest and genuine worshipper of God.— Read 1 Corinthians 8:3 .
A similar situation arose some 1,500 years later in the apostle Paul’s day. Certain professed Christians adopted false teachings; yet, they continued to associate with the congregation. To the casual observer, these APOSTATES might not have been different from others in the congregation. But their APOSTASY presented a danger to faithful Christians. These wolves in sheep’s clothing began “subverting the faith of some.” ( 2 Tim. 2:16-18 ) Jehovah is no casual observer, however, and Paul would have known this from the way God handled the situation with the rebels—Korah and his supporters—centuries earlier.

Very true @ Red ! sure Jehovah isnt just an observer, he knows the best way to handle such Wolfs in sheep clothing associating with the congregation.

My advise to WHOM it may concern, Acts 26:14 To keep KICKING against the GOADS makes it hard for you. Think hard, reason deep down and set matters straight with God Isaiah 1:18. Leave the JWs alone, set it straight with God just like Korah and the 250 did while challenging Aaron. It's not in you calling the JWs a cult. Give other people room to conduct their own research about the JWs just like you had done. Let them decided on their own. Don't corrupt or plant bias in their hearts already.

ChristianFreedo:
@bolded, a typical Jw response when backed to a corner. Have seen many of your type before.

That was how one elder pop his eyes and and grind his teeth at me when I told him of 1975 . He basically called me a liar. When I should he documented proof, he went from 'the society didn't published those', to 'even if they did, let them, I still believe them'.

When I thought of it, I came to understand why. How can he accept the organisation prophecies falsely about 1975? Even the source of the message about 1975, the organisation, denied their own message.

So, you can tell me to shut up or shut down. Its nothing new.

One elder told me that if someone has God Holy spirit, he will arrived at the same conclusion as the organisation in doctrine, and I asked him, if you don't have the spirit, you wouldn't. He chuckle, tried to beat about the bush.

I asked him. Since they had the Holy spirit and arrived at those conclusion, why has the conclusion change over the last 20years? My guess was, he knew his response didn't have any sense at all. He was just busy rephrasing his indoctrination, with absolutely no biblical understanding.

At the end, he used style and left.

How exactly is this a response to the post you quoted ? i guess u have nothing meaningful to say again . ( Similarly 3 john 9,10)

Jozzy4:
He who carry the sword , perish by the sword . Jesus saying this reveal his followers are not to carry arm or weapons .

would Jesus Permit his Followers to Join the military ? reason it yourself, how can you Love your enemies when you kill them at the warfront as a Soldier ?


God’s servants at the last days would “beat their swords into plowshares” and not “learn war anymore.”—
Isaiah 2:4 .

Infact .... The
Encyclopedia of Religion and War states: “The earliest followers of Jesus rejected war and military service,” recognizing those practices as “incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction to love one’s enemies.”

Likewise, German theologian Peter Meinhold said of those early disciples of Jesus: “Being a Christian and a soldier was considered irreconcilable.”

Please give me a passage that Jesus or jehovah said his followers should not become soldiers or join military I am still waiting.

Jozzy4

He who carry the sword , perish by the sword . Jesus saying this reveal his followers are not to carry arm or weapons .

Still Jesus never said being a soldier or joining the military is a crime and if you join you will not make eternal life. Not all soldiers in the military carry weapons there is there are different occupations in the military.

would Jesus Permit his Followers to Join the military ? reason it yourself, how can you Love your enemies when you kill them at the warfront as a Soldier ?

It still doesn't mean Christians can't join the army. You have a right to protect your country. I am aware you have a believe that there will be a holy war and your jehovah will destroy everybody not in your organization even those who have never heard about him. does that sound like love to you? Not all soldiers kill mind you.

God’s servants at the last days would “beat their swords into plowshares” and not “learn war anymore.”—
Isaiah 2:4 .

Isaiah 2:4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

It is a prophecy. And it doesn't still say God condemned soldiers or people for joining the military. God will settle the disputes among nations. For now the dispute isn't settled by God yet.

Infact .... The
Encyclopedia of Religion and War states: “The earliest followers of Jesus rejected war and military service,” recognizing those practices as “incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction to love one’s enemies.”

The earliest followers of Jesus may have rejected war and military service but the bible tells us in acts 10 about cornelius who was in the roman army he was baptized and so was his household but Peter didn't condemn his occupation or ask him to leave the army. In Matt 8:5-13 Jesus healed a centurion servant. The centurion had faith in Jesus. Jesus never condemned his occupation or never asked him to leave his occupation. In The new testament no verse condemns being in the military.

Likewise, German theologian Peter Meinhold said of those early disciples of Jesus: “Being a Christian and a soldier was considered irreconcilable.”

He is one theologian there are millions with varying views you are allowed to think and say what you like.

Everybodys desire is for peace to reign but some people dont like peace. Nobody supports going to war for no reason. If there is a threat to or if people want to destroy your country and citizens you havery a right to protect your country and it's citizen.
I pray for the Nigerian military out there in war zones protecting the country from invaders may they win and may the war end.

Please give me a passage that Jesus or jehovah said his followers should not become soldiers or join military I am still waiting.

olaolaking:
Yeah! Very true. But you can see things by yourself now. The reason while you have no answer to this is very clear to you. Now I am cleared. Now I can rest while you continue to do what you know how to do best.

I believe I have several responded to it. However, you seem bent on repeating it over and over again. But that how far you can go. You can't force me and I may do so when I want to

Hairyrapunzel:
I would reply you from the bottom of your post.


Please give me a passage that Jesus or jehovah said his followers should not become soldiers or join military I am still waiting.

If u mean a direct statement like dont become a Soldier , uv missed it ! Neither did Jesus say anything about homosexuality or smoking, a True Christian examines the teachings of Jesus and his personality to see if Jesus would accept one thing or the other !

theologian there are millions with varying views you are allowed to think and say what you like.

Everybodys desire is for peace to reign but some people dont like peace. Nobody supports going to war for no reason. If there is a threat to or if people want to destroy your country and citizens you havery a right to protect your country and it's citizen.
I pray for the Nigerian military out there in war zones protecting the country from invaders may they win and may the war end.

There would always be soldiers Killing enemies at the war front, the question is : Can the conscience of a genuine Child of God violate the moral principle not to Kill a fellow human? does it align with Jesus teaching to LOVE our enemies , to PRAY for those who persecute us ?

The earliest followers of Jesus may have rejected war and military service but the bible tells us in acts 10 about cornelius who was in the roman army he was baptized and so was his household but Peter didn't condemn his occupation or ask him to leave the army. In Matt 8:5-13 Jesus healed a centurion servant. The centurion had faith in Jesus. Jesus never condemned his occupation or never asked him to leave his occupation. In The new testament no verse condemns being in the military.

Its not may, Record says THEY REJECT military service !!!

Neither Jesus nor peter endorse their profession , they were silent on this issue. Jesus heal alot of people : tax collectors, Prostitutes , Thief's. and u wont hear Jesus say prostitution is Bad directly or Found him condemning the thief and doesnt mean he approved it either .

I state again, the record says Early followers of Christ reject Military service , Are u wiser or Closer to Christ than them ?

Isaiah 2:4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

It is a prophecy. And it doesn't still say God condemned soldiers or people for joining the military. God will settle the disputes among nations. For now the dispute isn't settled by God yet.

u missed something in that verse bro:

3 And many peoples will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war


this prophecy is meant for our time, cos it said at the end of the days and we are in the last days going by 2 Timothy 3:1-5 , He will INSTRUCT us on his ways , and the people among whom he set matters straight wont learn war

Which shows he is a God of PEACE and want his servants to also be PEACE LOVERs .

@ John 13:35 Jesus said by this people would know we are his disciples if we have love among ourselves , How would this John 13:35 be justified if Catholics in france go to war and kill fellow Catholics in the Italian army, While Protestants go to war and kill fellow Protestants in the army other country ? Or a Jehovahs Witness in Nigeria go to war and kill another Jehovah witness soldier from USA ? tell me howwwwwwwww?

Still Jesus never said being a soldier or joining the military is a crime and if you join you will not make eternal life. Not all soldiers in the military carry weapons there is there are different occupations in the military.

Christians are to Love their enemies Bro, if you love your enemy .. will you kill them

yes, not all in the military Carry weapon , but you are expected to act on orders BRO! if an order came at a point to Join the war or carry weapon and execute some enemies ( among whom might also be Christians ) , What would such a person do ? Kill ?


and No matter the duty, its all chanelled towards achieving the primary goal of Killing the enemy , isnt it ?
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Jozzy4:
If u mean a direct statement like dont become a Soldier , uv missed it ! Neither did Jesus say anything about homosexuality or smoking, a True Christian examines the teachings of Jesus and his personality to see if Jesus would accept one thing or the other !




There would always be soldiers Killing enemies at the war front, the question is : Can the conscience of a genuine Child of God violate the moral principle not to Kill a fellow human? does it align with Jesus teaching to LOVE our enemies , to PRAY for those who persecute us ?




Its not may, Record says THEY REJECT military service !!!

Neither Jesus nor peter endorse their profession , they were silent on this issue. Jesus heal alot of people : tax collectors, Prostitutes , Thief's. and u wont hear Jesus say prostitution is Bad directly or Found him condemning the thief and doesnt mean he approved it either .

I state again, the record says Early followers of Christ reject Military service , Are u wiser or Closer to Christ than them ?



u missed something in that verse bro:

3 And many peoples will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war


this prophecy is meant for our time, cos it said at the end of the days and we are in the last days going by 2 Timothy 3:1-5 , He will INSTRUCT us on his ways , and the people among whom he set matters straight wont learn war

Which shows he is a God of PEACE and want his servants to also be PEACE LOVERs .

@ John 13:35 Jesus said by this people would know we are his disciples if we have love among ourselves , How would this John 13:35 be justified if Catholics in france go to war and kill fellow Catholics in the Italian army, While Protestants go to war and kill fellow Protestants in the army other country ? Or a Jehovahs Witness in Nigeria go to war and kill another Jehovah witness soldier from USA ? tell me howwwwwwwww?





Christians are to Love their enemies Bro, if you love your enemy .. will you kill them

yes, not all in the military Carry weapon , but you are expected to act on orders BRO! if an order came at a point to Join the war or carry weapon and execute some enemies ( among whom might also be Christians ) , What would such a person do ? Kill ?


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https://www.nairaland.com/3675908/much-dislike-jehovahs-witnesses-questions

ChristianFreedo:
I believe I have several responded to it. However, you seem bent on repeating it over and over again. But that how far you can go. You can't force me and I may do so when I want to

You think. But you never. Which denomination do you belong to? Do people around you know? This is religious matter Mr man. Tell me you are not deceitful and prove it to me

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If u mean a direct statement like dont become a Soldier , uv missed it ! Neither did Jesus say anything about homosexuality or smoking, a True Christian examines the teachings of Jesus and his personality to see if Jesus would accept one thing or the other !

In the New Testament (NT) there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity directly: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.
Homosexuality is never spoken of in good light in the new testament. Smoking was never mentioned in the bible. Smoking is bad for peoples health don't lie that the bible talks about it.
Don't say Jesus told Christians not to smoke. Smoking is a lifestyle choice of some people that is detrimental to health

Soldiers are never mentioned in bad light and were never condemned. Jesus never said Christians should abstain from military service. In acts 21,22 and 23 we see soldiers saving Paul from getting lynched by the mob. Paul never condemned them. It shows that soldiers settle disputes too.

Jesus was clear on the things we should and should not do. Say it is watchtower teaching not to Join the military not Jesus rule because saying being a soldier makes you not a Christian is not biblical

There would always be soldiers Killing enemies at the war front, the question is : Can the conscience of a genuine Child of God violate the moral principle not to Kill a fellow human? does it align with Jesus teaching to LOVE our enemies , to PRAY for those who persecute us ?

And there will always be enemies that will want to kill and invade your country. Soldiers don't fight people because of their religious beliefs. Infact soldiers are from different religions their aim is to protect citizens of their respective countries from attack irrespective of race religion political views.

Isrealites going to war to protect their people and killing other people is justifiable right?

Killing a fellow human wow but your doctrine on blood has killed so many people don't throw stones and besides soldiers will not kill you if you don't mess with their country.

Jesus talked about loving enemies that doesn't mean your enemies will come and kill you and you accept death. There is something called defence you have to defend yourselves. Soldiers defend your country.

Jesus said pray for those who persecute you they Terrorist don't kill people because they are Christians. They kill people irrespective of Religion race gender and age because they have different religious beliefs from them.

Its not may, Record says THEY REJECT military service !!!

How are you so sure where you there? At least the bible has one named cornelius he was in the army

Neither Jesus nor peter endorse their profession , they were silent on this issue. Jesus heal alot of people : tax collectors, Prostitutes , Thief's. and u wont hear Jesus say prostitution is Bad directly or Found him condemning the thief and doesnt mean he approved it either .

JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES NEVER CONDEMNED MILITARY SERVICE OR SOLDIERS EITHER.THEY WERE SILENT ON THE ISSUE IT IS NOT IN OUR PLACE TO SAY WHAT THEY DID NOT SAY.
What kind of logic is that. Jesus associated with tax collectors. So because you pay tax to the government the government is bad. Jesus never said tax collecting or the occupation is bad. He even encouraged his followers to pay tax.
Prostitution is Bad. Fornication is mentioned as things we should not do in the bible.
Stealing is bad in the bible they are all addressed in the bible. Jesus or his disciples were never silent on issues concerning stealing and fornication. Cornelius was still in the army after his baptism nothing happened to him.

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b] I state again, the record says Early followers of Christ reject Military service , Are u wiser or Closer to Christ than them ? [/b]

I state again where you present then? What happened to cornelius? Are you Closer to Christ than he is?

u missed something in that verse bro: 3 And many peoples will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war this prophecy is meant for our time, cos it said at the end of the days and we are in the last days going by 2 Timothy 3:1-5 , He will INSTRUCT us on his ways , and the people among whom he set matters straight wont learn war

I am not surprised you people have been preaching world will soon end since inception like since 1879. You people even said world we end in 1975 we are in 2017 now. The world is not ending anytime soon.
Well since the world has not ended yet our countries are not safe against invaders that want to kill or destroy us we need the military. They are necessary for defence

Which shows he is a God of PEACE and want his servants to also be PEACE LOVERs

Now your jehovah is a God of PEACE what about his holy war at armageddon? You people say he will kill 99.9% of mankind because they are not jehovah witness right?

@ John 13:35 Jesus said by this people would know we are his disciples if we have love among ourselves , How would this John 13:35 be justified if Catholics in france go to war and kill fellow Catholics in the Italian army, While Protestants go to war and kill fellow Protestants in the army other country ? Or a Jehovahs Witness in Nigeria go to war and kill another Jehovah witness soldier from USA ? tell me howwwwwwwww?

JESUS preached love. Soldiers defend their countries because they love their country and it's people. There are no moral justifications for war it is uncalled for most times. War is bad. War could be driven by selfishness most times but sometimes it is the only way certain people can get their freedom. People fought wars for freedom from oppression even the isrealites in the old testament.

Christians can join the army or military service if they want to Jesus and his disciples were silent on the issue

Wars are not fought for religious reasons Dont give me that kind of logic. Catholics will not wage kill Catholics in other countries

France and Italy are not going to war if it's your plan it won't work dream on.

Christians are to Love their enemies Bro, if you love your enemy .. will you kill them

If my enemies try to kill me I will kill them it is called self defence.

If isrealites didn't fight those war in the old testament you think Jesus would have been born?

yes, not all in the military Carry weapon , but you are expected to act on orders BRO! if an order came at a point to Join the war or carry weapon and execute some enemies ( among whom might also be Christians ) , What would such a person do ? Kill ?

The war is not a religious war you are defending yourself and country if the person tries to kill you you kill it is self defense.

You have still not shown me the passage where Jesus condemned soldiers or military service

The job of soldiers is not primarily going to war get rid of that logic. They have an obligation to protect their citizens. They settle disputes, they help the hepless.

IF JESUS HATES WAR WHY WILL HE END THIS WORLD ACCORDING TO YOU PEOPLE WITH A WAR THAT WILL LEAVE 99.9% WHO AREN'T JEHOVAH WITNESS DEAD?
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Wars are not good in anyway or form it leads to loss of lives, properties, destruction of infrastructure, human abuse etc. No moral justification. War is never the answer. Wars most times are not instigated by the military but civilians most times are responsible for it. Soldiers go where there is war it doesn't mean they started.

A country will always need its military service even if there is no war

Jozzy4:
If u mean a direct statement like dont become a Soldier , uv missed it ! Neither did Jesus say anything about homosexuality or smoking, a True Christian examines the teachings of Jesus and his personality to see if Jesus would accept one thing or the other !




There would always be soldiers Killing enemies at the war front, the question is : Can the conscience of a genuine Child of God violate the moral principle not to Kill a fellow human? does it align with Jesus teaching to LOVE our enemies , to PRAY for those who persecute us ?




Its not may, Record says THEY REJECT military service !!!

Neither Jesus nor peter endorse their profession , they were silent on this issue. Jesus heal alot of people : tax collectors, Prostitutes , Thief's. and u wont hear Jesus say prostitution is Bad directly or Found him condemning the thief and doesnt mean he approved it either .

I state again, the record says Early followers of Christ reject Military service , Are u wiser or Closer to Christ than them ?



u missed something in that verse bro:

3 And many peoples will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war


this prophecy is meant for our time, cos it said at the end of the days and we are in the last days going by 2 Timothy 3:1-5 , He will INSTRUCT us on his ways , and the people among whom he set matters straight wont learn war

Which shows he is a God of PEACE and want his servants to also be PEACE LOVERs .

@ John 13:35 Jesus said by this people would know we are his disciples if we have love among ourselves , How would this John 13:35 be justified if Catholics in france go to war and kill fellow Catholics in the Italian army, While Protestants go to war and kill fellow Protestants in the army other country ? Or a Jehovahs Witness in Nigeria go to war and kill another Jehovah witness soldier from USA ? tell me howwwwwwwww?





Christians are to Love their enemies Bro, if you love your enemy .. will you kill them

yes, not all in the military Carry weapon , but you are expected to act on orders BRO! if an order came at a point to Join the war or carry weapon and execute some enemies ( among whom might also be Christians ) , What would such a person do ? Kill ?


and No matter the duty, its all chanelled towards achieving the primary goal of Killing the enemy , isnt it ?
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