Jaideyone:
shame on you. the topic is about illegal mining yet you litter the thread with tinubu pictures again.

In case you have reading and/or comprehension challenges let me help you re-post what I responded to so you can re-read my post and hopefully stop your agitation and excitement.

frisky2good:
Noone has been arrested and prosecuted so far but if you are caught with one cup of crude oil it is economic sabotage.

how old are you?

Old enough to know that your JagbaJantis is an impostor, impersonator and scam artist, all rolled into one.

Babasessy:

Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article)







The Awolowo rebirth in the Southwest has inspired gongs, songs and rhetoric of sorts. But they have missed one point.

It occurred to me in Abeokuta last week amidst the big crowds and euphoria of the swearing-in of Senator Ibikunle Amosun as governor. In all the states from Lagos to Edo, where Awo has witnessed ideological resurgence, hardly a single family member has played a role.

So we have an Awo family without an Awo. That is an irony. But history overwhelms us with this sort of twist. Obafemi Awolowo toiled for his reputation. His roots were lowly, he toiled to school both home and abroad, launched into careers in law, business, journalism and eventually politics. He carved a niche for himself, and became the first methodical and charismatic leftist in our history.  Other leftists abounded but they did not inspire comparable drama and following.

He faced tribulations, went to jail, failed in elections, won a few, but he imprinted his ideas and legacy in the country, and no single mortal has beaten him in the history of this country. His greatest achievement was in the area of ideas, and that was how he fashioned a family. Most families are born of biology but his issued from ideology. That family suffered with him.

In a spoof of Jesus Christ, these were the men who followed him in his teachings, and endured with him in his temptations. So he formed a kingdom for them in the Southwest, in the old Western Region, presiding over his projects, his legacies and people.

In all of these, the family he had was not his flesh and blood. In another spoof of Christ, who were his family anyway? Those who were with him must be counted as his family. So, I combed in the ambience of Babatunde Raji Fashola (SAN), and I found none. I went to Ogun, I frisked the crowd under Amosun’s bower, hardly any. Around Ogbeni Rauf Aregbesola in Osun, I could not lay a finger. With Governor Kayode Fayemi in Ekiti, where are the forbears of Awo? Yet, I can hear the chants of Awo. Hardly in any of the inaugural speeches or any of their other public intervention would you miss the philtre and filter of Awo from these gentlemen. To parody Novelist Joseph Conrad, they are the sparks from Awo’s sacred fire, the messengers of the might within the man.

Already all of them are pursuing the legacy ideas of Awo: free education, free health services, infrastructural development, urban renewal and economic engineering.

Lagos has posted itself as the John the Baptist. The others are putting up valiant efforts, and the world of course is watching to see how well they will perform. It will call for great work, resourcefulness and cooperation. They are the real Awoists, and Awo was a man of rigour and vigour.

The Awo son that many expected to take after the father was Olusegun, who unfortunately died in a car crash. We shall never know if he could have pulled it off.  But the others have not shown much of the paterfamilias’ brio and depth. In the past decade, under this republic, they have blended with the wrong crowd. Even H.I.D, hobnobbed with Alao-Akala, who brought illiteracy to governance; with Oyinlola who turned the grace of office into a hell-hole of despots; with Daniel who could not arrest his quick fall into megalomania.

I wrote once that this woman whom Awo once described as the jewel of inestimable value has lost value to his cause. If he came back to life, he would have committed the extraordinary act of divorce after death. Even his newspaper, The Tribune, has so stumbled and fallen that it swims in Awo’s vomit.

Groucho Max, one of the funniest satirists in American history, said of a man that he got his looks from his father. Then he quipped, “He was a plastic surgeon.” That means the son is not his real son, or he did not inherit his natural looks. Ideologically, when we talk of Awo’s family, the chief inheritor is Asiwaju Bola Tinubu as the leader of all the others. He was the one who stuck his neck out. He could have lost his life or ended his career in politics. The so-called real Awolowos who bear his surname cannot come up for mention. They are Awolowos but not Awoists. They stabbed their father in the back. They have committed ideological parricide.

The only person that made a real try was Awolowo-Dosunmu in the early 1990s and she lost roundly. She was accused of trying to ride her father’s coattail. Political families are good for democracies. They can exemplify the high ideals of diligence, dignity, ideas, character. We have seen these in such families as the Kennedys, the Adamses, the Roosevelts, the Ghandis. They just don’t claim family. They appeal to the high ideals that endeared the families to their societies.

It’s also an irony that these families are falling into twilight. Some of them have vanished. Enoch Powell, a British MP, once gave us the famous line: “All political lives, unless they are cut off midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure because that is the nature of politics and human affairs.”

Columnist Ambassador Dapo Fafowora adverted to this idea in a recent outing, and I debated it with him afterwards. I don’t believe that a political life should be judged by how it ends but what it means. The quote is often missed by many who mistake “careers” for “lives.” A political life should be judged by its legacies. If we judged Awo by how he ended, we would look at him only as the loser to Shagari. That is why I see an intrinsic mischief in Enoch’s quote. But I would agree that political families end also in failure if you judge how they peter out and not the legacy.

Awo’s legacy is alive and well. Members of other families in flesh and blood can carry on. Immediate families tend to suffer from what an author, Noemie Emery, describes as dynastic curse. The children tend to be intimidated by the standards set by the fathers. So they just don’t want to try. They feel they cannot match them or come even close.  The problem probably comes from the fathers themselves. The Adams, who produced important presidents, later gave birth to moral vagrants and drunks. The Bush daughters showed themselves as party girls when their father was contesting the political battle of his life.

But Joe Kennedy groomed his sons assiduously, and they excelled in politics. They also had a fair share of tragedies. Ted Kennedy regained his sobriety and voice in America after a season of debauchery. In Nigeria, we are seeing the Sarakis fade. A Saraki – Bukola - is wiping out the Sarakis from politics. It is a classic case of oedipal tragedy, something I predicted earlier this year on this page.

It is not late though for the flesh-and-blood Awolowos to join their father’s fold. But they must be genuine. Awo was the most important Yoruba personage in history after Oduduwa. They had stellar men like Oranmiyan, Balogun Latosa, Lisabi, Sodeke, et al. None of them had the unifying vision and organisational acumen that Awolowo gave the race. The wife, children and grandchildren should not watch others glow in his jewel without them.

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/columnist/monday/sam-omatseye/index.1.html

anonimi:


In case you have reading and/or comprehension challenges let me help you re-post what I responded to so you can re-read my post and hopefully stop your agitation and excitement.





Old enough to know that your JagbaJantis is an impostor, impersonator and scam artist, all rolled into one.

Mr you are the one with visual challenges and comprehension issues. the thread is about illegal mining in Kaduna and you've found a way to include tinubu in your usual rants. you should get a refund from your alma mata

bestman09:


I learnt that there are large deposits of Gold in Oyo state. Even in Ibadan, when digging well for water, you will see shining particles which they say is gold

Olodo.... those could be muscovite or biotite

erico2k2:

In my region water has never been a problem for more than 1000 years . So your example do not cut it . The Oil in the ND is from the ground taking it in any shape or form is illegal .anyway kontinu

Wrong, Wrong, wrong! This is the most fundamental reason Nigeria is poor. They just don't understand that the most foundational building block of every successful capitalist society is property rights. That the govt has no right to any individuals property. This is one of the most significant differences between wealthy nations and poor nations.

FunspoT:

Those shinny substances are not Gold oh it is called Pyrite otherwise known as Fool's gold...illegal minning is not good for our economy,hazardous to the environment,and can be dangerous to human lives because of the inevitable accidents that occur.

And who deems it illegal?

davidif:


Govt has no right to take anyone's private property? I believe it's called theft.

So you are saying that Nigeria government he been stealing from Niger delta?

NaWetinDey:


So you are saying that Nigeria government he been stealing from Niger delta?

I am saying that if I own land, I own all the resources in that land and the govt has no right to claim it. This is how advanced democracies work and rich economies operate. Anything else is theft or a dictatorship.

MReloaded:
If the person doing this is prosecuted now some coconut heads will start screaming witch hunt and what have you.

but the problem is they will not be prosecuted!! This chapter just ended here

thunderbabs:


Ogbeni, stop criticizing the guy. Every1 is entitled to his/her opinion. Or who appointed you as officer to criticize pple's comment. Buhari?

As a matter of fact, you are illegal.

If i see u for ma mention, i go whooooszzz u slap to kan

Lmao at slap yo kan... sour slap

thunderbabs:


Ogbeni, stop criticizing the guy. Every1 is entitled to his/her opinion. Or who appointed you as officer to criticize pple's comment. Buhari?

As a matter of fact, you are illegal.

If i see u for ma mention, i go whooooszzz u slap to kan

Lmao at slap yo kan... sour slap

davidif:


I am saying that if I own land, I own all the resources in that land and the govt has no right to claim it. This is how advanced democracies work and rich economies operate. Anything else is theft or a dictatorship.

You are right but I was responding in line with what's obtainable in Nigeria. There's really nothing one can do as long as politics sits on it. If you have lived many years abroad, you would be tempted to hate everything Nigeria, including those in it, for having allowed these for so long.

The thing is, if you owned such land in Niger delta, even if you are a San, the government will still take it.

NaWetinDey:


You are right but I was responding in line with what's obtainable in Nigeria. There's really nothing one can do as long as politics sits on it. If you have lived many years abroad, you would be tempted to hate everything Nigeria, including those in it, for having allowed these for so long.

The thing is, if you owned such land in Niger delta, even if you are a San, the government will still take it.

And this is one of the most foundational reasons why Nigeria is poor and why you have the uprisings in the Niger Delta. It's because Nigerians don't fully grasp the concept of property rights. This is the building block of what created the wealthy countries. The fact that my land is my own and not the govts. If Nigeria cannot get this right, no matter the policies you pass at the federal level there would still be massive inequality in the country and unrest.
The govt should have no right to take what belongs to an individual. If I own land them i own the resources on it and I can exploit it when I want. It's called property rights.

just passing !

davidif:


And this is one of the most foundational reasons why Nigeria is poor and why you have the uprisings in the Niger Delta. It's because Nigerians don't fully grasp the concept of property rights. This is the building block of what created the wealthy countries. The fact that my land is my own and not the govts. If Nigeria cannot get this right, no matter the policies you pass at the federal level there would still be massive inequality in the country and unrest.
The govt should have no right to take what belongs to an individual. If I own land them i own the resources on it and I can exploit it when I want. It's called property rights.

Nothing is as it should be in Nigeria. Laws were hurriedly made mostly to keep the South East of Biafra on the leash. However, it spilled over - affecting those who supported the government and those who were passive about the whole thing. Anyone who thinks that the problem of Nigeria has remained insurmountable because of anything else apart from the unresolved Biafra issue is simply lying to himself no matter his angle of argument. You want to get Nigeria right? Face the Biafra issue and get it sorted out. If honesty reigns there, it will reign all over Nigeria. This you may understandably disagree with.

davidif:


And this is one of the most foundational reasons why Nigeria is poor and why you have the uprisings in the Niger Delta. It's because Nigerians don't fully grasp the concept of property rights. This is the building block of what created the wealthy countries. The fact that my land is my own and not the govts. If Nigeria cannot get this right, no matter the policies you pass at the federal level there would still be massive inequality in the country and unrest.
The govt should have no right to take what belongs to an individual. If I own land them i own the resources on it and I can exploit it when I want. It's called property rights.

Nothing is as it should be in Nigeria. Laws were hurriedly made mostly to keep the South East of Biafra on the leash. However, it spilled over - affecting those who supported the government and those who were passive about the whole thing. Anyone who thinks that the problem of Nigeria has remained insurmountable because of anything else apart from the unresolved Biafra issue is simply lying to himself no matter his angle of argument. You want to get Nigeria right? Face the Biafra issue and get it sorted out. If honesty reigns there, it will reign all over Nigeria. This you may under stably disagree with.

If the govt won't mine it, people cannot afford to continue looking at it. The govt should rise up and stop the continued dependence on oil

Your post is laced with dangerous ignorance packaged with a false sense of entitlement.
1) Indigenes and States governments of oil producing states in partnership with interested investors have oil prospecting companies which have gotten licences from government and are prospecting for and extracting oil in the Niger delta.
2) oil exploration is a highly technical and capital intensive BUSINESS, mere having oil in your village does not mean the villagers automatically have the wherewithal to go into oil prospecting, exploring and exporting business but they they can partner with those who have the wherewithal ,apply for license and start business.
3) Oil bunkering involve bombing already laid oil pipelines and tapping from the already extracted crude oil. The is tanmout to stealing from the oil companies who have invested heavily to extract the oil (sometimes from depths of the ocean). To make matters worse, the oil bunkers conduct their business in ways that are very risky and pose serious health and hazards to themselves and those living around their sites.
4) Government can help the indigenes of oil producing States by SPECIALLY bringing them into the oil business.
5) Owners and operators of illegal refineries should be identified, registered and sent to India to learn how Modular Refineries operate. On arrival, they can be given loans to build their refineries according to environmental standards and occupational safety.
Crude oil can be allocated to them on credit while they pay back after refining and selling their products with tax exemption for the first 36 months of operation... Gradually militancy and fuel scarcity will fizzle out and our demand for forex will reduce, Naira will appreciate against the dollar with youths being employed.



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In my region water has never been a problem for more than 1000 years . So your example do not cut it . The Oil in the ND is from the ground taking it in any shape or form is illegal .anyway kontinu [/quote]