akintom:
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I will only recognize you if you appear in that your coward moniker called damogul.

Until then, the FSM will be watching you.

Since common sense has made it possible for you to know i am one and the same why do you insult that common sense by refusing to answer a question asked you by the same person you are both accusing yet running from?

Are you confused?

God doesn't think and fxxk like humans.

4everGod:


Since common sense has made it possible for you to know i am one and the same why do you insult that common sense by refusing to answer a question asked you by the same person you are both accusing yet running from?

Are you confused?

FSM loves all character, but cowardice he Abhors like plague. You know that damogul moniker is odious now, because of the evil you did with it.

FSM will only forgive you of your evil, when you kneel and confess your arrogance.

4everGod:


Do you believe heaven or hell is real? If your answer is no then how does where whoever ends up bother you while you are yet alive on earth?

if a Christian who Loves God and has served Him faithfully believes he is going to make heaven and not hell then how does that affect you?

"Good" is never done without a reason....or motivation. Nobody wakes up to doing good..there is always a motive.

It bothers me that Christians who claim to be the most moral are so morally bankrupt to be celebrating an idea that most people- whether good or bad are going to be burning for eternity... If as a Christian, you're satisfied with this and have never asked yourself the justice of it, then you're morality bankrupt...
And please there are people that are naturally good and altruistic without motivation.... Doctors that dedicate their lives to fighting TB and other diseases in poor African countries, people who give all their money to charity. These are good people...
I know that Christians try to be good because their religion requires them to be, so the idea of a person that is good without any selfish interest is foreign to you...

akintom:

Don't you know FSM?

A man at the mountain top wouldnt come to the valley to know whats there! The height is his advantage! He sees and knows all!! Thats me!!!!

randomperson:

It bothers me that Christians who claim to be the most moral are so morally bankrupt to be celebrating an idea that most people- whether good or bad are going to be burning for eternity... If as a Christian, you're satisfied with this and have never asked yourself the justice of it, then you're morality bankrupt...
And please there are people that are naturally good and altruistic without motivation.... Doctors that dedicate their lives to fighting TB and other diseases in poor African countries, people who give all their money to charity. These are good people...
I know that Christians try to be good because their religion requires them to be, so the idea of a person that is good without any selfish interest is foreign to you...

Are you still learning?
Isnt fame some incentive for doing good?
No one does good without motives for reward.
Ask our Oga that though we access nairaland for free, yet he has rewards as evidenced in fat bank accts.
Dont argue against facts and the obvious lest your folly become clear like crystals!

enshy:

So you believe only those that participate at the olympics and enter into the race fulfilling the conditions of the game will win the gold medal?
My dear, there is no salvation in any other, there is no other name given amongst men whereby we must be saved...
There will no Xtian, Muslim, atheist, agnostic, idol worshipper in Heaven...Only those that have accepted Jesus and have been washed by the blood, those are the redeemed, only these will make Heaven at last!
Settle with Him and ecsape the damnation to come!

Stop being ridiculous... People who have given their lives to Jesus are the Christians...
If that is the criterion that means a boko haram terrorist that has killed, maimed and raped thousands of people will go to heaven if he accepted Jesus on his death bed while a person who has dedicated his life to helping people will go to hell...
Which kind of a sick, sadistic god creates that kind of system. Even I myself would have created a system many times better than that

akintom:

FSM loves all character, but cowardice he Abhors like plague. You know that damogul moniker is odious now, because of the evil you did with it.

FSM will only forgive you of your evil, when you kneel and confess your arrogance.

Indeed you are a doofus.

I thank God the evil i did was exposing your fellow "Hard" atheist and boasting in my God.

Choke on that!

enshy:

Are you still learning?
Isnt fame some incentive for doing good?
No one does good without motives for reward.
Ask our Oga that though we access nairaland for free, yet he has rewards as evidenced in fat bank accts.
Dont argue against facts and the obvious lest your folly become clear like crystals!

You're not knowledgeable. How many people with doctors without borders are popular, or how many red Cross Members are famous...
I know the only reason you try to be good is that you're scared of hell but there are people who are actually good people, that don't need any motivation to do good... People infinitely better than you are

randomperson:

It bothers me that Christians who claim to be the most moral are so morally bankrupt to be celebrating an idea that most people- whether good or bad are going to be burning for eternity... If as a Christian, you're satisfied with this and have never asked yourself the justice of it, then you're morality bankrupt...
And please there are people that are naturally good and altruistic without motivation.... Doctors that dedicate their lives to fighting TB and other diseases in poor African countries, people who give all their money to charity. These are good people...
I know that Christians try to be good because their religion requires them to be, so the idea of a person that is good without any selfish interest is foreign to you...

Can you show me how Christians are celebrating the fact that anyone is going to hell? Are the preaching we do not meant to warn all about hell and ask them to turn away from it? How does that translate to joy?

The doctors you mentioned still base their work on MOTIVE.

I repeat, nobody wakes up to doing good...there is ALWAYS a motive.

I wonder how motive translates to meaning SELFISH to you? How do you atheists even reason?

If my motive is simply to make my world a better place is that not a motive? Is it selfish?

Why do you people never reason wide but always have a tunnel vision?

randomperson:

Stop being ridiculous... People who have given their lives to Jesus are the Christians...
If that is the criterion that means a boko haram terrorist that has killed, maimed and raped thousands of people will go to heaven if he accepted Jesus on his death bed while a person who has dedicated his life to helping people will go to hell...
Which kind of a sick, sadistic god creates that kind of system. Even I myself would have created a system many times better than that

See where you sham intelligence has failed and folly has risen beyond doubts.
He that starts a race and falls at the finishing line not crossing it and the snail runner who crosses the finished line, who wins the race/prize?
Every system is ruled by laws! Dont you know this?
Even in football, 200k petitions for PSG/Barca rematch but Uefa isnt going to oblige..There are rules, emotion has no roles..
Emotions and pity has no role!!
God forgives when you ask for it, repent and accept Jesus...Its Grace!
If you dont, even if you donate all your life, you are inches from Hell.
But thats not even you, I dont see any good you have even done, Jesus you dont want, your case is different!

randomperson:

You're not knowledgeable. How many people with doctors without borders are popular, or how many red Cross Members are famous...
I know the only reason you try to be good is that you're scared of hell but there are people who are actually good people, that don't need any motivation to do good... People infinitely better than you are

I doubt you know how vast motives are. You are the one who isnt knowledgeable.

Why does a person go to school to study medicine? MOTIVE
Why spend those years in school? MOTIVE
When done why offer free services in medical care? MOTIVE
Why run charities in various forms? MOTIVE

Everything has a reason (MOTIVE) behind it. That motive when scrutinized is what makes it selfish or selfless.

I advice that you think and do more thinking and stop retorting ignorantly.

randomperson:

You're not knowledgeable. How many people with doctors without borders are popular, or how many red Cross Members are famous...
I know the only reason you try to be good is that you're scared of hell but there are people who are actually good people, that don't need any motivation to do good... People infinitely better than you are

Oh you are so limited in thinking!
So fame means you are known around the world?
Didnt you see a lady's post who has been in the US from birth and never knew Pastor Adeboye, does that mean Pst Adeboye isnt famous?
Fame is a state of being known by many people not all people!!

4everGod:


Can you show me how Christians are celebrating the fact that anyone is going to hell? Are the preaching we do not meant to warn all about hell and ask them to turn away from it? How does that translate to joy?

The doctors you mentioned still base their work on MOTIVE.

I repeat, nobody wakes up to doing good...there is ALWAYS a motive.

I wonder how motive translates to meaning SELFISH to you? How do you atheists even reason?

If my motive is simply to make my world a better place is that not a motive? Is is selfish?

Why do you people never reason wide but always have a tunnel vision?

You just dey yarn nonsense...
1. If you're celebrating that you are going to heaven and you know full well others are going to hell. What's that?

2. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it... There are people who are naturally good. There is a difference between a Christian who gives to the poor because he believes he will receive more and another person who gives out of empathy.... That's the difference between Christians and actual good people.

enshy:

Oh you are so limited in thinking!
So fame means you are known around the world?
Didnt you see a lady's post who has been in the US from birth and never knew Pastor Adeboye, does that mean Pst Adeboye isnt famous?
Fame is a state of being known by many people not all people!!

Geez... Can't you reason? A brilliant doctor with potential leaves his developed country and moves to a small community in Namibia to help them with TB... which fame does he have? If he stayed back in his country, he could become a rich doctor with a lot of patients and be famous... But he prefers to help a small community that no one pays attention to... So he left fame at home to go and look for smaller fame...
Guy... You no try at all

randomperson:

You just dey yarn nonsense...
1. If you're celebrating that you are going to heaven and you know full well others are going to hell. What's that?

Another release of ignorance. How does my personal celebration translate to my rejoicing over anothers problem? When you get a good job and you are sharing the good news to others does that mean you are rejoicing in the fact that others lost out on the same opportunity? Why dont you simply reject every good thing that comes your way as a show of support to those who also lost out on same opportunity. Can you do that?

2. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it... There are people who are naturally good. There is a difference between a Christian who gives to the poor because he believes he will receive more and another person who gives out of empathy.... That's the difference between Christians and actual good people.

I repeat, nobody is born NATURALLY good. We grow into who we become. Our experiences and response to those experiences make us either good or bad people. The problem you have is that you assume Christians who give do so because they hope to receive. Those who do that are yet to understand what Gods word declares hence making them babes in Christ.

LUKE 6: 35

But love your enemies, do good to them, and give to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

enshy:

See where you sham intelligence has failed and folly has risen beyond doubts.
He that starts a race and falls at the finishing line not crossing it and the snail runner who crosses the finished line, who wins the race/prize?
Every system is ruled by laws! Dont you know this?
Even in football, 200k petitions for PSG/Barca rematch but Uefa isnt going to oblige..There are rules, emotion has no roles..
Emotions and pity has no role!!
God forgives when you ask for it, repent and accept Jesus...Its Grace!
If you dont, even if you donate all your life, you are inches from Hell.
But thats not even you, I dont see any good you have even done, Jesus you dont want, your case is different!

Another stupid comment!
Where a person creates a system that is riddled with injustice, people challenge it until it's changed... There was a time slavery was allowed in the rules, it was challenged until it was abolished...
But your god who claims to be all loving and all knowing and intelligent, creates a system with the kinds of flaws? That is a logical impossibility

randomperson:

Geez... Can't you reason? A brilliant doctor with potential leaves his developed country and moves to a small community in Namibia to help them with TB... which fame does he have? If he stayed back in his country, he could become a rich doctor with a lot of patients and be famous... But he prefers to help a small community that no one pays attention to... So he left fame at home to go and look for smaller fame...
Guy... You no try at all

Never expect decent behavior from children of abusive god. Yahweh couldn't have produced or raise respectful and sensible offsprings.

4everGod:


I doubt you know how vast motives are. You are the one who isnt knowledgeable.

Why does a person go to school to study medicine? MOTIVE
Why spend those years in school? MOTIVE
When done why offer free services in medical care? MOTIVE
Why run charities in various forms? MOTIVE

Everything has a reason (MOTIVE) behind it. That motive when scrutinized is what makes it selfish or selfless.

I advice that you think and do more thinking and stop retorting ignorantly.

Here is what you said:
"Good is never done without a reason." Suggesting that for every good done by a person, there is another reason it was done apart from the intention to just do good... That has been shown to be a lie.
You made that comment when I mentioned people who were actually good without being Christians. So you were trying to show that these people had some reasons for doing good that was not more noble than the Christian's motives.

akintom:

Never expect decent behavior from children of abusive god. Yahweh couldn't have produced or raise respectful and sensible offsprings.

Actually the abusive and insult emitting one has always been you and your ilk. I bet that on other social media platforms you vomit same vitriol you do here all in an empty attempt to convince yourself that you are actually intelligent when you clearly are not. Unless of course you are looking at a "fat mirror" that takes a skinny person and deceives him into thinking he is fat.

4everGod:


Indeed you are a doofus.

I thank God the evil i did was exposing your fellow "Hard" atheist and boasting in my God.

Choke on that!

Foolish and delusional boast of course. Your god was at the same time coward, to have abandoned you to your empty boast.

FSM has grown amputated limbs with evidence, where your Yahweh is still running with its tail in between its legs.

Pooooo.....

4everGod:


Another release of ignorance. How does my personal celebration translate to my rejoicing over anothers problem? When you get a good job and you are sharing the good news to others does that mean you are rejoicing in the fact that others lost out on the same opportunity? Why dont you simply reject every good thing that comes your way as a show of support to those who also lost out on same opportunity. Can you do that?



I repeat, nobody is born NATURALLY good. We grow into who we become. Our experiences and response to those experiences make us either good or bad people. The problem you have is that you assume Christians who give do so because they hope to receive. Those who do that are yet to understand what Gods word declares hence making them babes in Christ.

LUKE 6: 35

But love your enemies, do good to them, and give to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

1. That's a wrong analogy. But even at that, I will criticize a system that doesn't provide enough opportunities for every qualified person. Can you criticize the system god has created for making heaven and hell. Can you?

2. I never said anybody is born naturally good. I said some people are naturally good. That is, they are not good because of any personal reasons. And Christians give because of personal reasons. Even in the verse you quoted, it says "then your reward will be great."
Giving for reward or in obedience to some higher power is not noble.

randomperson:

Here is what you said:
"Good is never done without a reason." Suggesting that for every good done by a person, there is another reason it was done apart from the intention to just do good... That has been shown to be a lie.

Why are you confusing yourself and deceiving yourself into thinking you are making sense. Did you just happen to be on Nairaland today? Why are you here today?

There is no action without a motive otherwise there is no purpose. Motive breeds purpose and purpose is what keeps you going on even in all the monotony you keep on keeping on because your purpose which was born through motive is generating results even if they are little.

Why did Seun set up Nairaland? For fun? Even that is a motive. Why would a doctor leave his comfort zone to a place of misery? Motive and purpose. These when combined enables him not to see the environment but only to see the assignment. Try to understand that and stop being ignorant.

Why would a soldier still remain a soldier even when all he sees is death all around him? Why would he leave the comfort of his home and family and sign up to the army even when fully aware of the dangers involved? How do you think the word PATRIOT came about?

You made that comment when I mentioned people who were actually good without being Christians. So you were trying to show that these people had some reasons for doing good that was not more noble than the Christian's motives.

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This particular highlighted comment shows you are lost in this discussion

randomperson:

1. That's a wrong analogy. But even at that, I will criticize a system that doesn't provide enough opportunities for every qualified person. Can you criticize the system god has created for making heaven and hell. Can you?

2. I never said anybody is born naturally good. I said some people are naturally good. That is, they are not good because of any personal reasons. And Christians give because of personal reasons. Even in the verse you quoted, it says "then your reward will be great."
Giving for reward or in obedience to some higher power is not noble.

When you say NATURALLY GOOD.....Naturally means "as expected". In other words right from birth such a one "is expected" to be good regardless of experience or exposure.

Clearly you are confused

4everGod:


Why are you confusing yourself and deceiving yourself into thinking you are making sense. Did you just happen to be on Nairaland today? Why are you here today?

There is no action without a motive otherwise there is no purpose. Motive breeds purpose and purpose is what keeps you going on even in all the monotony you keep on keeping on because your purpose which was born through motive is generating results even if they are little.

Why did Seun set up Nairaland? For fun? Even that is a motive. Why would a doctor leave his comfort zone to a place of misery? Motive and purpose. These when combined enables him not to see the environment but only to see the assignment. Try to understand that and stop being ignorant.

Why would a soldier still remain a soldier even when all he sees is death all around him? Why would he leave the comfort of his home and family and sign up to the army even when fully aware of the dangers involved? How do you think the word PATRIOT came about?

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This particular highlighted comment shows you are lost in this discussion

All this your epistle is for nothing...
The point remains that there people who don't need God's commands, threats or promises to be good. Unlike Christians.

4everGod:


When you say NATURALLY GOOD.....Naturally means "as expected". In other words right from birth such a one "is expected" to be good regardless of experience or exposure.

Clearly you are confused

Am confused here... Why didn't you answer my question

randomperson:

All this your epistle is for nothing...
The point remains that there people who don't need God's commands, threats or promises to be good. Unlike Christians.

For sake of clarity...All Gods Commands do is simply to create MOTIVE in us.....RIGHT MOTIVES which do not end up being mixed with pride (which is extremely easy to do).

Nothing any human ever does is devoid of motive. You have not answered my question.

Why are you on Nairaland today?

4everGod:


Actually the abusive and insult emitting one has always been you and your ilk. I bet that on other social media platforms you vomit same vitriol you do here all in an empty attempt to convince yourself that you are actually intelligent when you clearly are not. Unless of course you are looking at a "fat mirror" that takes a skinny person and deceives him into thinking he is fat.

May FSM have pity on your abused mind. You're a victim of Yahweh's abuse.
Receive deliverance in the name of FSM....

randomperson:

Am confused here... Why didn't you answer my question

I will leave the obviously ignorant criticism to you. You are doing a pretty good job at it.

akintom:

May FSM have pity on your abused mind. You're a victim of Yahweh's abuse.
Receive deliverance in the name of FSM....

Tell that to the italians who love Pasta and abuse it everyday. Also the Japanese who stab it daily with their chop sticks

4everGod:


For sake of clarity...All Gods Commands do is simply to create MOTIVE in us.....RIGHT MOTIVES which do not end up being mixed with pride (which is extremely easy to do).

Nothing any human ever does is devoid of motive. You have not answered my question.

Why are you on Nairaland today?

God creates right motives in us? So giving to the poor because you want to be rewarded by god is the right motive? How about giving because you care about their plight?
Oh... And am on nairaland today because am bored and less busy

4everGod:


I will leave the obviously ignorant criticism to you. You are doing a pretty good job at it.

Am still confused... Do you agree the system is not perfect?