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ehikwe22:
There's difference between criticism and hateful condemnation. I can read between the two. They don't just criticize but condemn him and his people opening old wound. Urhobos didn't allow Okowa become governor. They ganged up and fought with all their might and lost. Yes, Ibori is a friend of Anioma and a man of his word. Though he's a criminal just like every other politician, we love him for his integrity. Okowa won the 2007 PDP primary against Uduaghan but he reached an agreement with Ibori and Uduaghan to step down for Uduaghan until 2015. That's not easy an easy decision but he agreed because of the trust he has for Ibori. When it was time for the 2015 election, Urhobos went against Okowa even after knowing he's Ibori's anointed candidate. That's just politics for you. But now that the election is over, they should let sleeping dog lie and prepare for next election. That's just my point.

Yes, the capital of Delta State shouldn't be in Asaba but it ended up there. I noted that I understand how painful it must feel.

As for Anioma speaking a variant of Igbo. Yes, majority of Anioma towns speak Igboid languages but Anioma is not Bilingual or monogenous. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma. Even Urhobo, Isoko and Ijaw are spoken in some Ukwani parts. Orogun is partly Anioma and partly Urhobo. Igala and o Yoruba is spoken in some Enuani clans while 5 villages in Agbor are Edo speaking. Agbor has 11 villages, 6 are Ika speaking and the remaining 5 are Edo speaking. Some of the 5 Edo speaking villages are losing their dialect to Ika but some still retain it eg. Ozanogogo and some others. Ika language itself is a mixture of Bini, Esan and Igbo though most of our Edo are fast getting replaced by Igbo. Many of the Enuani groups are of Igala origin, some Edo, some Igbo and thers Yoruba. Even Asaba, Illah and surrounding villages are Igala origin. Ika is mostly Bini, Esan and little Ndokwa Ukwani and Enuani. Other Anioma groups also have some Ika migrations. Ukwani has lots of intermigration from Urhobo Isoko area. We're just too heterogeneous to group us into one group. But one thing worthy of note about Anioma is that all Anioma groups, clans and villages have Edo and Igbo influence irrespective of where the original founders came from eg. Igbusa and Ogwashi Uku are the main Anioma clans that have Igbo origin but they also have villages that migrated from Bini. Illah is Igala but some villages there are Bini descendant.

Ika is a language of it's own and not a dialect of any language. Listen to what a linguist has to say

"A language is a dialect with an army and navy. His point being that the difference between a language and a dialect was ultimately a political distinction and had little to do with linguistics per se. Thus, German and Dutch are separate languages, but Mandarin and Meixian Chinese are supposed dialects" this being said, you can see that citing a linguistic theory to prove an Igbo heritage for Anioma doesn't hold water. Every linguist has his own concepts and theory. You don't look at everything as black and white.

And what do you mean about it being impossible to separate language from culture? Do you know about language shift, endangered language and language extinction? An endangered language is a language that is at risk of falling out of use as its speakers die out or shift to speaking another language. Language loss occurs when the language has no more native speakers and becomes a "dead languag Does it mean when these languages die that their culture die along with them immediately? Go to the North, many languages there are endangered. Some have gone extinct because of Hausa language but these people still practice their culture. They don't practice Hausa culture.
Itsekiri speak a Yoruboid language but they practice Edo culture and they're neither Edo nor Yoruba. Same way our language is Igboid and our culture Edo. We're neither Igbo nor Edo.

ehikwe22:
This also shows how ignorant you are. Anioma was gotten from an Acronym and an artificial creation. How does that make it Igbo? And you have given an Igbo Meaning to Ika? Wow. So Igbotic. The right spelling is Eka and not Ika and it has Bini origin. I know you will give another Igbo Meaning now that the right spelling has been reviewed, which shows you don't even know what you wrote in the first place.

ehikwe22:
There's difference between criticism and hateful condemnation. I can read between the two. They don't just criticize but condemn him and his people opening old wound. Urhobos didn't allow Okowa become governor. They ganged up and fought with all their might and lost. Yes, Ibori is a friend of Anioma and a man of his word. Though he's a criminal just like every other politician, we love him for his integrity. Okowa won the 2007 PDP primary against Uduaghan but he reached an agreement with Ibori and Uduaghan to step down for Uduaghan until 2015. That's not easy an easy decision but he agreed because of the trust he has for Ibori. When it was time for the 2015 election, Urhobos went against Okowa even after knowing he's Ibori's anointed candidate. That's just politics for you. But now that the election is over, they should let sleeping dog lie and prepare for next election. That's just my point.

Yes, the capital of Delta State shouldn't be in Asaba but it ended up there. I noted that I understand how painful it must feel.

As for Anioma speaking a variant of Igbo. Yes, majority of Anioma towns speak Igboid languages but Anioma is not Bilingual or monogenous. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma. Even Urhobo, Isoko and Ijaw are spoken in some Ukwani parts. Orogun is partly Anioma and partly Urhobo. Igala and o Yoruba is spoken in some Enuani clans while 5 villages in Agbor are Edo speaking. Agbor has 11 villages, 6 are Ika speaking and the remaining 5 are Edo speaking. Some of the 5 Edo speaking villages are losing their dialect to Ika but some still retain it eg. Ozanogogo and some others. Ika language itself is a mixture of Bini, Esan and Igbo though most of our Edo are fast getting replaced by Igbo. Many of the Enuani groups are of Igala origin, some Edo, some Igbo and thers Yoruba. Even Asaba, Illah and surrounding villages are Igala origin. Ika is mostly Bini, Esan and little Ndokwa Ukwani and Enuani. Other Anioma groups also have some Ika migrations. Ukwani has lots of intermigration from Urhobo Isoko area. We're just too heterogeneous to group us into one group. But one thing worthy of note about Anioma is that all Anioma groups, clans and villages have Edo and Igbo influence irrespective of where the original founders came from eg. Igbusa and Ogwashi Uku are the main Anioma clans that have Igbo origin but they also have villages that migrated from Bini. Illah is Igala but some villages there are Bini descendant.

Ika is a language of it's own and not a dialect of any language. Listen to what a linguist has to say

"A language is a dialect with an army and navy. His point being that the difference between a language and a dialect was ultimately a political distinction and had little to do with linguistics per se. Thus, German and Dutch are separate languages, but Mandarin and Meixian Chinese are supposed dialects" this being said, you can see that citing a linguistic theory to prove an Igbo heritage for Anioma doesn't hold water. Every linguist has his own concepts and theory. You don't look at everything as black and white.

And what do you mean about it being impossible to separate language from culture? Do you know about language shift, endangered language and language extinction? An endangered language is a language that is at risk of falling out of use as its speakers die out or shift to speaking another language. Language loss occurs when the language has no more native speakers and becomes a "dead languag Does it mean when these languages die that their culture die along with them immediately? Go to the North, many languages there are endangered. Some have gone extinct because of Hausa language but these people still practice their culture. They don't practice Hausa culture.
Itsekiri speak a Yoruboid language but they practice Edo culture and they're neither Edo nor Yoruba. Same way our language is Igboid and our culture Edo. We're neither Igbo nor Edo.

iSlayer2:

Bridget95:
you call a people 'Delta igbo' their language resembles igbo,their names are igbo,their culture is igbo and you turn around and tag them Edo. hahahah I laugh at the understanding of some so called educated people.when you are asked to do research, you need to look at characteristics in other to do your finding of origin.

Ikeg:
Do not waste your time with the ehikwe22. The dude is edo pretending to be Anioma. Ignore the mofo. Any slowpoke online that tells you "there's no "delta igbo" but yet claiming anioma is 110% EDO. No if and or but about that. We have denier/wannabe bini morons in our community but even the wannabes wouldn't dare tell you that all of us are like them.
I'm from delta north and a proud ass Bleep delta igbo and there are SEVERAL of us like that. Like majority of us are proud delta igbo. Only a handful of our people are wannabe bini niggas, predominately Agbor and Ukwani people. The rest of us are NOTHING like that.

Likewise the OP is also fake deltan. I always wondered why a "urhobo" is beyond obsessed with Biafra until when I saw a member ask this OP what is his LGA and the Nigga dodged the question.

Y'all seriously need to learn how to start ignoring fake @SS morons on social media
My biggest advice to SE

bantudra:
realy??..do you want to know the color of my shitt too...??


i already said many times on nairaland which lga am from..but your ipobian people still called me afonja anyways...

soooo..i find this game boring...

stay away from the delta!!!...

bantudra:
its better you listen than confuse yourself and get into trouble...

ehikwe22:
This also shows how ignorant you are. Anioma was gotten from an Acronym and an artificial creation. How does that make it Igbo? And you have given an Igbo Meaning to Ika? Wow. So Igbotic. The right spelling is Eka and not Ika and it has Bini origin. I know you will give another Igbo Meaning now that the right spelling has been reviewed, which shows you don't even know what you wrote in the first place.

bantudra:
they made yorubas so popular its nearly unbelievable.....

i am urhobo,as if calling me afonja will make me stop saying my opinion..

as if yorubas have time to impersonate anybody online....

soooo...ridiculous....

fratermathy:
At least, I admire the fact that you are no longer propagating deep hatred.

The Fulani herdsmen mafia is our common enemy in Nigeria and everyone must rise against it.

However, we should be careful not to hate the entire Hausa/Fulani ethnicity for the crimes of some misguided ones, the same way I can't hate Igbo for the statements made by some on the internet.

In tackling this Fulani herdsmen crisis in the country, we should be tactful and apolitical about it. If the FG has refused to do anything, we have to convince our representatives to present bills that will control these people. Personally, I have been following my HoA representative and he has been working hard to push Gov. Okowa to do something about the issue but the politics behind it is very strong. I sincerely hope we find a peaceful means to the issue or else violence may be used. After all, no group has a monopoly of violence.


That said, I like the fact that we have just agreed on something. This shows that Igbo and Urhobo, if we work together as mutual and equal allies, may be able to engage our common problems. Hatred shouldn't be allowed to fester.


It behoves the more enlightened and sensible Igbos to call the hate-mongers to order and isolate them so that they will see that they are alone in their hate. By supporting or ignoring them, you create the impression that you are all together in the hate against us.

fratermathy:
You should know that some other ethnic groups create accounts and hide under Urhobo to cause havoc online.

But take this from me: any self-proclaimed Urhobo that goes from thread to thread inciting Igbos and causing problems is definitely NOT an Urhobo. He may be a member of the many numbers of ethnicities that have problems with Igbos. Some of these people would use another ethnic group to create issues so that it would appear that Igbos are hated by everyone, even their closest neighbours.

bantudra:
thx...you explained it in a simple way...some officers killed people,the hausas,those morons in the north massackered innocent igbos,in return the moronns in the east,called igbos,want to get revenge till today..anybody that try to tell them all this madness started with some few criminals is labeled traitors..

what a bunch of rubbish..

i only care who started the killing first...those are the ones we suppose to prosecute,not a entire tribe..

we deltans want nothing to do with this madness...!!

leave the delta out of this madness!!!....

bantudra:
i rather believe in one nigeria than watch people die.....

lets be honest:
nobody is capable to marginalize igbos,no matter were they are in the world..

your way of thinking is blocking you,not realy others...

fratermathy:
Oniovo Bantudra,

Mavor? Yanji ihwo r'Igbo vwo biko. Ihwo na morue mamor. Vwo mlo obor a ta rawansie? Biko, yanjia wo vi Biafra r'ayen.

Dont speak for other tribes in Delta State. No one gave us that right. Speak only for Urhobo-Isoko, our people.

All the so-called Delta Igbos are Igbos after all and have a right to join their kin in any movement or country.

My problem is with Igbos or iPob adding non Igboid tribes to their Biafra. Urhobo-Isoko was never part of the original Biafra. Even the so-called Delta Igbos were not part of Biafra. So I see no historical, cultural, linguistic or political basis by which Urhobo-Isoko should join the Igbo struggle when we have ours.

So far, I've never seen any Urhobo/Isoko person that even sympathises with the Biafran cause. UPU, the mother union of all Urhobo people, has asserted Urhobo's stand in the matter. We were never, are not and can never be Biafrans.


Biafra is an Igbo struggle and if they want to achieve it, they shouldn't play Lugard and add uninterested and unrelated people.

The Urhobos have more affinity with Edo & Yoruba than Igbo. On Nigeria we stand. In Nigeria we remain.

Our many issues shall be addressed one day and should there be need for secession, we have our own voice for that and are capable of having our own Urhobo country!


This thread is definitely not needed. Don't speak for other groups at all. Delta is diverse and acknowledge it.

And @Bridget95: Urhobo is the largest tribe in Delta State with a population of at least 2m. We occupy Delta Central and Delta South. We have settlements in Edo, Bayelsa and Ondo States. After Ijaw, we come next as the second most populous tribe in the South South.

Uckennety & others: Becareful of how you insult people's tribes. The Internet never forgets. Igbos have shown Urhobos nothing but hate and spite. And these are the same people who want us in their Biafra by force. Just because you are larger than us doesn't make you more important. Tribalism is what is affecting the bulk of Igbos today and as long as you guys let that hate fester, your lot will never change in the nation!

I still appreciate Igbos like Amarabae who are sensitive to minorities and use their words carefully. Amara, and others like you, I say Ndewo! Enemies should not be created where there are none. Urhobos and Igbos have been neighbours, peaceful ones at that, from time immemorial. We have never claimed to be the same people or share the same goals. Let us all respect that. These online miscreants and tribalistic bigots are actually doing more harm than good and creating enemies of neighbours!

bantudra:
thx...then relocate your igbo brethren to the south east...when it comes to land,we are not letting a inch of it to biafra..

this is not a football match,this is reality...

bantudra:
if you come from the area called south south or known as delta and believe in biafra,then you can not be a deltan..

you can not split yourself anyhow you like and call your self belonging to a region the same time..

its either you are south south or south east...you can not be both the same time.....

its getting very annoying that some igbos always say rubbish as ss and se..

ss is not toghether with the se...our different tribes is prove...

better stop it ones and for all....

bantudra:
if you come from the area called south south or known as delta and believe in biafra,then you can not be a deltan..

you can not split yourself anyhow you like and call your self belonging to a region the same time..

its either you are south south or south east...you can not be both the same time.....

its getting very annoying that some igbos always say rubbish as ss and se..

ss is not toghether with the se...our different tribes is prove...

better stop it ones and for all....

ehikwe22:
I didn't say majority don't want to be Igbo I said majority said they're not Igbo and they're not Igbo. I'm an Agbor man and I dare you to come to Agbor with any Igbo agenda if you will reach your house with your body complete.

ConqueredWest:
What does Ika mean in Bini language.?

What does Anioma mean in Bini language.?

ehikwe22:
The name undoubtedly started from the Bini Royal House. The Binis were the first to call us Eka until the name became very popular and stuck. This is a well-known fact.
According to Eguavon, S.I. Eka (Ika) means deserters from Benin because of the bloody rule of Oba Ewuare about 1440 AD. It is said that the Binis who seized the opportunity of Oba Ewuare’s absence to flee from Benin were given this name Eka by Oba Ewuare, who on his return from one of his military campaigns, found that many of this subjects had deserted him. It was then he remarked sagaciously: So ghai Eka no. “Leave them, they are deserters”.

During this period for example, Oba Ewuare lost his only two sons, Ezuware and Ekpoboyuuwa through poisoning on the same day. To show hi grief for the death of these princes, he declared three years of mourning for them. During these years of mourning, he ordered that no one was to marry, and those who were married should not have sexual intercourse within the period. He also ordered that there should be no bathing and shaving of hair during the period. Those who were of marriageable age then fled Benin Kingdom in order no to prohibited from raising up families.

Generally, there were political and social disturbances and unrest during the period. The rulers were powerful and overbearing, and there was no known punishment that they could not mete out to offending subjects. Some were forcely charged and dealt with. Life and property were insecure in the face of political uncertainties that existed in Benin Empire. Since there was social disorder, the conditions became unbearable in Benin Empire, which resulted in migration spree of adventurous subjects.

However, on settlements in the areas now known as Ika, some of the Ika clans claim to have been formed before the movement of people from Benin and Ishan Divisions to Ika Land, and these are Agbor, Owa and Umuned clans. It may be that deserters or Ika not only swelled the population of the already existing settlements but also formed new settlements. Ika appears to have grown as a result of the influx of immigrants from Benin, Ishan and Aniocha areas of the defunct Bendel State. Ika people came to Ika Land in different waves of migration, led buy different persons from different directions at different times for different reasons.


Anioma is an Acronym. Don't be silly and Stop asking for a meaning of an Acronym in Igbo or Bini. The Acronym was coined by a pro Igbo Anioma man but we accepted because we see it as an Acronym that with good meaning having all parts of Delta North on it.

Fx55:
Mathias, the average Igbo person doesn't hate Urhobo. I can guarantee you that very few Igbo people differentiate between Ijaw, Urhobo, Itsekiri and Isoko. People from that side of the divide are usually referred to as 'Mba-mmiri' people meaning 'People from the riverine'.... And that's where it ends. Why should anybody single out Urhobo?

One of my best friends till date is Urhobo. I can confidently tell you he's like a brother to me. Right now I live in Yenagoa and my landlady is an Urhobo woman. Fantastic lady she is and we have an excellent relationship. She hardly takes a decision without consulting me.

Where exactly did you dig out the phantom hatred from? How many Igbos have you had a personal encounter with? In what ways did they show you hatred? The problem with most minority tribes in the South is that their real enemies did a good job of brainwashing them about Igbos. You grew up being taught to be wary of the Igbo man.

bantudra:
thx...then relocate your igbo brethren to the south east...when it comes to land,we are not letting a inch of it to biafra..

this is not a football match,this is reality...

ehikwe22:
And what exactly do mean about Igbo heritage? What's Igbo in Anioma heritage? If you're ignorant about Anioma, come to Agbor and make your research and observation. Apart from language, we don't have anything in common with the Igbos.[/[b]b] Our culture, festivals, village structure, kingship and chieftancy, food, music, dressing, festivals, world view and idiosyncrasies, surnames, town names, founders, just name, have nothing to do with Igbo come to Agbor and Anioma and observe how our communities are planned, our building planning and patterns. Our structural hierarchies and every other things don't have any semblance with Igbo. Is language the only thing you use to group ethnicity? I'm sure you're aware language evolve or change. Some languages get replaced by other languages and some go extinct. Culture, customs and traditions are more difficult to change that's why we've retained most of these things. .

Bridget95:
I don't like blind aguement, because the civil war propaganda still runs in the vains of so many.My ethnic group is big and viable.The name Anioma is an igbo word not a beni word.Anioma=Good land. Ika=Great or you are great. These few words are pure igbo words.Those places are igbo.Hear words like Ika-igbo,Delta igbo and I find it amusing.These people keep confusing themselves. The beni man knows you are not beni but igbo because he can't understand you but only igbos can yet there is this irritating attachment to beni mentality. The fact remains that not every one believes that and others are begin to get enlightened.

ehikwe22:
The name undoubtedly started from the Bini Royal House. The Binis were the first to call us Eka until the name became very popular and stuck. This is a well-known fact.
According to Eguavon, S.I. Eka (Ika) means deserters from Benin because of the bloody rule of Oba Ewuare about 1440 AD. It is said that the Binis who seized the opportunity of Oba Ewuare’s absence to flee from Benin were given this name Eka by Oba Ewuare, who on his return from one of his military campaigns, found that many of this subjects had deserted him. It was then he remarked sagaciously: So ghai Eka no. “Leave them, they are deserters”.

During this period for example, Oba Ewuare lost his only two sons, Ezuware and Ekpoboyuuwa through poisoning on the same day. To show hi grief for the death of these princes, he declared three years of mourning for them. During these years of mourning, he ordered that no one was to marry, and those who were married should not have sexual intercourse within the period. He also ordered that there should be no bathing and shaving of hair during the period. Those who were of marriageable age then fled Benin Kingdom in order no to prohibited from raising up families.

Generally, there were political and social disturbances and unrest during the period. The rulers were powerful and overbearing, and there was no known punishment that they could not mete out to offending subjects. Some were forcely charged and dealt with. Life and property were insecure in the face of political uncertainties that existed in Benin Empire. Since there was social disorder, the conditions became unbearable in Benin Empire, which resulted in migration spree of adventurous subjects.

However, on settlements in the areas now known as Ika, some of the Ika clans claim to have been formed before the movement of people from Benin and Ishan Divisions to Ika Land, and these are Agbor, Owa and Umuned clans. It may be that deserters or Ika not only swelled the population of the already existing settlements but also formed new settlements. Ika appears to have grown as a result of the influx of immigrants from Benin, Ishan and Aniocha areas of the defunct Bendel State. Ika people came to Ika Land in different waves of migration, led buy different persons from different directions at different times for different reasons.


Anioma is an Acronym. Don't be silly and Stop asking for a meaning of an Acronym in Igbo or Bini. The Acronym was coined by a pro Igbo Anioma man but we accepted because we see it as an Acronym that with good meaning having all parts of Delta North on it.

ConqueredWest:
Ngozi123
Bridget95
OneNigerianist
Paschu
Biafranpound
islayer2
Ojiofor

Your history never told you that some Igbo clans once lived in Benin empire.?

How did the Igbankes(Igbos indigenous to Edo state) came about.?


So answer these questions to eradicate your one sided history

1) Did some Igbo clans live in Benin empire.?

2) How did the Igbankes came about in present day Edo State.?

Kamanuozuzu:
There're no cardinal points in geography known as South South. Nigerians are demented.

Ngozi123:
I will try to answer your questions to the best of my ability since you asked sans insults:

1) Yes, some Igbo clans lived under the Benin Empire- I've always maintained that notion. My ancestors are an example of this.

2) I don't know much about Igbanke history but if I were to take an educated guess then I'd say that they'd been in Edo State as long as the Binis have and may have even been pushed eastwards by Bini people. None of this is fact though, just an educated guess.