ConqueredWest:

Ngozi123
Bridget95
OneNigerianist
Paschu
Biafranpound
islayer2
Ojiofor
Ikeg
lkeg

Your history never told you that some Igbo clans once lived in Benin empire.?

How did the Igbankes(Igbos indigenous to Edo state) came about.?


So answer these questions to eradicate your one sided history

1) Did some Igbo clans live in Benin empire.?

2) How did the Igbankes came about in present day Edo State.?


Ika and Anioma people are Igbos

Ika has no meaning in Bini language


Stop fooling yourself if you think Igbos are only indigenous to SE

Igbos are also indigenous to Equatorial Guinea or Sao Tome and Principle one of these two nations.


Igbos are adventurous and great travelers.

am from Opobo rivers state and am Igbo so what are you talking about?

BiafranPound:
am from Opobo rivers state and am Igbo so what are you talking about?

That impostor ehikwe is wrong and you and others I tagged are right

Ngozi123:


Saving this quote in case you try to change it. I didn't really believe it when they said that you're not an Anioma man in that other thread but this all but confirms it for me .

Weren't you the poster that said that Anioma people don't speak Igbo in that other thread, or am I mistaken? Now you're saying that that's the only thing that links them to other Igbos...

As for the rest of the bolded... I truly am shocked that someone could even come out with such a statement.
Cc: Ikechu10, Pazienza, Blues2022, Kathmandu, Igboid et al.

maybe you mistook me for someone else. I've never denied that majority of Anioma speak Igboid languages. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma but the majority is Igboid. Read my other comments to understand more about my explanation on languages and dialects, language shift, endangerment and language extinction. And how you don't use only language to group ethnicity. The predominant culture in Anioma is Edoid, followed by Igboid and Igala then Yoruba, Urhobo and Isoko. People are just too ignorant but never takes correction

ehikwe22:
maybe you mistook me for someone else. I've never denied that majority of Anioma speak Igboid languages. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma but the majority is Igboid. Read my other comments to understand more about my explanation on languages and dialects, language shift, endangerment and language extinction. And how you don't use only language to group ethnicity. The predominant culture in Anioma is Edoid, followed by Igboid and Igala then Yoruba, Urhobo and Isoko. People are just too ignorant but never takes correction

Probably, however, the rest of that post of yours was truly shocking. How can you claim that Anioma people don't have Igbo names but speak Igbo? That makes no sense to me .

ConqueredWest:



That is why that ehikwe is wrong

Ika and Anioma are Igbo clans who lived in Bini empire before being driven out of Bini due to political struggle between two Bini princes of which the prince supported by the Igbos lost out


Finally I did not insult you but called your attention to a fact ignored by that impostor

I know, that's why I said "sans insult".

[quote author=ehikwe22 post=54993682] maybe you mistook me for someone else. I've never denied that majority of Anioma speak Igboid languages. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma but the majority is Igboid. Read my other comments to understand more about my explanation on languages and dialects, language shift, endangerment and language extinction. And how you don't use only language to group ethnicity. The predominant culture in Anioma is Edoid, followed by Igboid and Igala then Yoruba, Urhobo and Isoko. People are just too ignorant but never takes correction [/quote


Yourba?
Kindly name an Anioma group that practices same culture as the yoruba
I'm waiting patiently.

its impossible that the delta can join biafra...

look how only the tribes in the delta are already argueing here....

the delta is tooooo diverse to start a experiment like biafra...

we will eat each other up...

someone already threathen me sef,although he claims igbos dont hate urhobos...

when did i ever threathen any igbo on this thread since it started??...

am saying the socalled delta igbos have no right to join the delta to biafra,thats all.....

its either they recognize they are deltans and nothing else or relocate to the south east...anything else will not work....

bantudra:
its impossible that the delta can join biafra...

look how only the tribes in the delta are already argueing here....

the delta is tooooo diverse to start a experiment like biafra...

we will eat each other up...

someone already threathen me sef,although he claims igbos dont hate urhobos...

when did i ever threathen any igbo on this thread since it started??...

am saying the socalled delta igbos have no right to join the delta to biafra,thats all.....

its either they recognize they are deltans and nothing else or relocate to the south east...anything else will not work....

Are you really a fool or are you just pretending to be foolish?

Neemrod:

Lunatic
Urhobo is a mere minority and there's a big limit to what your likes can do
Our land starts from Agbor and if you and your silly kinsmen fail to understand this, then we have no choice than to wipe your leechees off the earth
BE WARNED !

na so una had a big mouth before the civil war...we closed all borders and the rest is history...

dont start something you can not finish...

Neemrod:

Are you really a fool or are you just pretending to be foolish?

you are deltan and nothing else...stop being soooo stubborn...

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ehikwe22:
The name undoubtedly started from the Bini Royal House. The Binis were the first to call us Eka until the name became very popular and stuck. This is a well-known fact.
According to Eguavon, S.I. Eka (Ika) means deserters from Benin because of the bloody rule of Oba Ewuare about 1440 AD. It is said that the Binis who seized the opportunity of Oba Ewuare’s absence to flee from Benin were given this name Eka by Oba Ewuare, who on his return from one of his military campaigns, found that many of this subjects had deserted him. It was then he remarked sagaciously: So ghai Eka no. “Leave them, they are deserters”.

During this period for example, Oba Ewuare lost his only two sons, Ezuware and Ekpoboyuuwa through poisoning on the same day. To show hi grief for the death of these princes, he declared three years of mourning for them. During these years of mourning, he ordered that no one was to marry, and those who were married should not have sexual intercourse within the period. He also ordered that there should be no bathing and shaving of hair during the period. Those who were of marriageable age then fled Benin Kingdom in order no to prohibited from raising up families.

Generally, there were political and social disturbances and unrest during the period. The rulers were powerful and overbearing, and there was no known punishment that they could not mete out to offending subjects. Some were forcely charged and dealt with. Life and property were insecure in the face of political uncertainties that existed in Benin Empire. Since there was social disorder, the conditions became unbearable in Benin Empire, which resulted in migration spree of adventurous subjects.

However, on settlements in the areas now known as Ika, some of the Ika clans claim to have been formed before the movement of people from Benin and Ishan Divisions to Ika Land, and these are Agbor, Owa and Umuned clans. It may be that deserters or Ika not only swelled the population of the already existing settlements but also formed new settlements. Ika appears to have grown as a result of the influx of immigrants from Benin, Ishan and Aniocha areas of the defunct Bendel State. Ika people came to Ika Land in different waves of migration, led buy different persons from different directions at different times for different reasons.


Anioma is an Acronym. Don't be silly and Stop asking for a meaning of an Acronym in Igbo or Bini. The Acronym was coined by a pro Igbo Anioma man but we accepted because we see it as an Acronym that with good meaning having all parts of Delta North on it.

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iSlayer2:

biafra is a bad idea......better dont try it in the delta...online is not the entire world..their are many that dont even use the internet and dont even know what nairaland is..biafra is a very bad idea...

ehikwe22:
There's difference between criticism and hateful condemnation. I can read between the two. They don't just criticize but condemn him and his people opening old wound. Urhobos didn't allow Okowa become governor. They ganged up and fought with all their might and lost. Yes, Ibori is a friend of Anioma and a man of his word. Though he's a criminal just like every other politician, we love him for his integrity. Okowa won the 2007 PDP primary against Uduaghan but he reached an agreement with Ibori and Uduaghan to step down for Uduaghan until 2015. That's not easy an easy decision but he agreed because of the trust he has for Ibori. When it was time for the 2015 election, Urhobos went against Okowa even after knowing he's Ibori's anointed candidate. That's just politics for you. But now that the election is over, they should let sleeping dog lie and prepare for next election. That's just my point.

Yes, the capital of Delta State shouldn't be in Asaba but it ended up there. I noted that I understand how painful it must feel.

As for Anioma speaking a variant of Igbo. Yes, majority of Anioma towns speak Igboid languages but Anioma is not Bilingual or monogenous. 11 languages are spoken in Anioma. Even Urhobo, Isoko and Ijaw are spoken in some Ukwani parts. Orogun is partly Anioma and partly Urhobo. Igala and o Yoruba is spoken in some Enuani clans while 5 villages in Agbor are Edo speaking. Agbor has 11 villages, 6 are Ika speaking and the remaining 5 are Edo speaking. Some of the 5 Edo speaking villages are losing their dialect to Ika but some still retain it eg. Ozanogogo and some others. Ika language itself is a mixture of Bini, Esan and Igbo though most of our Edo are fast getting replaced by Igbo. Many of the Enuani groups are of Igala origin, some Edo, some Igbo and thers Yoruba. Even Asaba, Illah and surrounding villages are Igala origin. Ika is mostly Bini, Esan and little Ndokwa Ukwani and Enuani. Other Anioma groups also have some Ika migrations. Ukwani has lots of intermigration from Urhobo Isoko area. We're just too heterogeneous to group us into one group. But one thing worthy of note about Anioma is that all Anioma groups, clans and villages have Edo and Igbo influence irrespective of where the original founders came from eg. Igbusa and Ogwashi Uku are the main Anioma clans that have Igbo origin but they also have villages that migrated from Bini. Illah is Igala but some villages there are Bini descendant.

Ika is a language of it's own and not a dialect of any language. Listen to what a linguist has to say

"A language is a dialect with an army and navy. His point being that the difference between a language and a dialect was ultimately a political distinction and had little to do with linguistics per se. Thus, German and Dutch are separate languages, but Mandarin and Meixian Chinese are supposed dialects" this being said, you can see that citing a linguistic theory to prove an Igbo heritage for Anioma doesn't hold water. Every linguist has his own concepts and theory. You don't look at everything as black and white.

And what do you mean about it being impossible to separate language from culture? Do you know about language shift, endangered language and language extinction? An endangered language is a language that is at risk of falling out of use as its speakers die out or shift to speaking another language. Language loss occurs when the language has no more native speakers and becomes a "dead languag Does it mean when these languages die that their culture die along with them immediately? Go to the North, many languages there are endangered. Some have gone extinct because of Hausa language but these people still practice their culture. They don't practice Hausa culture.
Itsekiri speak a Yoruboid language but they practice Edo culture and they're neither Edo nor Yoruba. Same way our language is Igboid and our culture Edo. We're neither Igbo nor Edo.

Mr edo man no matter what you say it can neva change the fact that Anioma is igbo the whole of Nigeria know Dat one
You guys are still bitter that igbos separate dia selves from you Benin people u guys should better try somewhere else b'cos Benin empire is dead n buried


Nobody want to live with witches Lol try another time

fratermathy:


Did you just say I endorsed this thread?

Why the lies?

Need I remind you of my very first comment on this thread?

Please caution your Urhobo brothers to stop creating unnecessary thread just to spite the Igbo.
At least you've learned today that IPOB is not the same as Igbo.
Shalom

Wonderibg who rhe op refer to as Deltan

toofit007:
we can never and ever force you into biafra that i can assure you what we shall do is to educate people like you to see reasons why you shall be better of with your brothers igbo biafrans than to be with the hausa fulani in the same country called nigeria . you have a lot of things in common with your brothers the biafran igbo such as dressing, food, religion etc. tell now what do you have in common with an hausa or fulani man? were when you speak they will say you have offended their Mohammed and they will behead you or chop of your hand. let the hausa fulanis enjoy their soon to be officially called called islamic nigeria. bro collectively we can make biafra a great nation .that is why it is called UNITED STATES OF BIAFRA. am sorry for insulting you the other time.

if you guys wish other regions to join Biafra..then the name should be changed from BIAFRA to a more a united name so that other non Igbo can feel a sense of belonging.the word Biafra to every non igbo tribe simply implies an Igbo project and people would definitely be skeptical of such union especially since the Igbo will be the majority..it will now be like running from frying pan to fire..My question to you Igbos' are these..?? are you really sure you are ready for an independent nation? if yes? then the following question is begging for attention

1) you cry of marginalization and oppression but you have some ethnic group in your region that you see has inferior.(OSU) can people from such group be seen as equal among your all when BIAFRA become established? if you must have BIAFRA and want other group to be part of you then you must put aside ethnocentrism.
2): which of your state can boast of an IGR and can stand on their own without depending on the Fed govt?
thirdly: How many of your people ( i mean the elite and powerful business men are behind this project)the last time i checked, most of thier investment is outside the east with exception to INNOSON" and some few others.
4)..How come, alot of Igbos are still building houses and business outside their regions and developing other state? i believe by now at least 60% of igbos should be channeling almost all their investment to the east and developing their various regions if you guys are really serious about Biafra
5): I believe before you start inviting other ethnic group to join your project you should have done your homework by been able to convince at about 60-70% of your Igbo citizens, including some of your leaders and elite to believe in this BIAFRA..becos i believe if they do by now the eastern region is suppose to be focus on developing their regions , re-orientating their youth, changing their psychic from the get rich quick syndrome which breed corruption, greed and oppression in the society.
If you want a country and you want others to come with you?..what are the laid down foundation that is in place to convince these people that BIAFRA is a better option than the present Nigeria..last i checked..the eastern regions are still plagued with corruption and underdevelopment just like every other state in the country..so what give you guys the notion that BIAFRA will be any different....and the worst of it is that you guys are not good at uniting...very difficult to easily come together for issues of importance without allowing individual arrogance and pride to get in the way.

omoharry:
if you guys wish other regions to join Biafra..then the name should be changed from BIAFRA to a more a united name so that other non Igbo can feel a sense of belonging.the word Biafra to every non igbo tribe simply implies an Igbo project and people would definitely be skeptical of such union especially since the Igbo will be the majority..it will now be like running from frying pan to fire..My question to you Igbos' are these..?? are you really sure you are ready for an independent nation? if yes? then the following question is begging for attention

1) you cry of marginalization and oppression but you have some ethnic group in your region that you see has inferior.(OSU) can people from such group be seen as equal among your all when BIAFRA become established? if you must have BIAFRA and want other group to be part of you then you must put aside ethnocentrism.
2): which of your state can boast of an IGR and can stand on their own without depending on the Fed govt?
thirdly: How many of your people ( i mean the elite and powerful business men are behind this project)the last time i checked, most of thier investment is outside the east with exception to INNOSON" and some few others.
4)..How come, alot of Igbos are still building houses and business outside their regions and developing other state? i believe by now at least 60% of igbos should be channeling almost all their investment to the east and developing their various regions if you guys are really serious about Biafra
5): I believe before you start inviting other ethnic group to join your project you should have done your homework by been able to convince at about 60-70% of your Igbo citizens, including some of your leaders and elite to believe in this BIAFRA..becos i believe if they do by now the eastern region is suppose to be focus on developing their regions , re-orientating their youth, changing their psychic from the get rich quick syndrome which breed corruption, greed and oppression in the society.
If you want a country and you want others to come with you?..what are the laid down foundation that is in place to convince these people that BIAFRA is a better option than the present Nigeria..last i checked..the eastern regions are still plagued with corruption and underdevelopment just like every other state in the country..so what give you guys the notion that BIAFRA will be any different....and the worst of it is that you guys are not good at uniting...very difficult to easily come together for issues of importance without allowing individual arrogance and pride to get in the way.

Name can't be changed because the name comprise all people living with in thee tributes of river Niger.

Remember its an ijaw man that remember the name for Biafrans

oceania100:


Please caution your Urhobo brothers to stop creating unnecessary thread just to spite the Igbo.
At least you've learned today that IPOB is not the same as Igbo.
Shalom

who is spiting the igbos here??..

we are just telling you facts on ground........

stop joining the south south to the south east the ol time..

if you still want biafra,then,you must vacate to the south east..

we none igboid tribes dont want biafra..accept that fact or leave the south south....

OreMI22:
Wonderibg who rhe op refer to as Deltan

those that live in that area called south south...

I beckon on all, Igbos and Urhobos, to sheathe their swords and let this thread die a natural death or at best, serve as a reminder that there are serious ethnic tensions between Urhobos and Igbos that have been exacerbated by internet comments and statements.

Bantudra: You've made your point. Except your motives are otherwise, PLEASE stop the campaign of calumny against our neighbours. I understand your pain. I've been there too. Many IPOB youths think that they have the monopoly of propaganda and hate. However, instead of rescinding to their status, show them why you are not on the same level with them. Simply ignore their antics. Also, avoid the usage of the word "Delta" to refer to our people. Our people are the Urhobo/Isoko, not "Delta" "Delta" is a conglomeration of diverse tribes that can speak for themselves.

Ehikwe22: Your argument is futile. Whether or not Anioma is Igbo does not help the Anioma cause in any way. Those who see Anioma as Igbo won't change that perception because of your claims. After all, many of them can hear and understand your languages. So the banter is completely unnecessary.

iSlayer2, Ngozi123, Neemrod, BiafranPound, Westconquered et al.: I tender my apologies, on behalf of my brethren here, if we have insulted the Igbo race in any way. Kindly take Bantudra's outrage as a personal angst against what IPOB youths have caused online. If he's truly Urhobo as he says he is, he can't be blamed for it as I have explained earlier on. He is not alone so you will definitely see some others, real Urhobos or impostors, who will flame the embers of ethnic discord. Since you guys say you mean no ill towards us, learn to ignore things like this and use your language well and maybe, just maybe, some of us may learn to start trusting/tolerating Igbos. It would mean much if you start cautioning some of the Igbos that cause problems online. Everyone cannot be your enemy at the same time. As Urhobos, we have suffered hate from neighbouring tribes for years now but we have managed to ignore them and let our progress do the talking. It is not every altercation that the Igbo must respond to. Sometimes, simply ignore things, especially when you know you are far better than those who would want to debase and ridicule you or your ethnicity. By ignoring your detractors, you conquer them!

I rest my case here! In Urhobo/Isoko/Ukwuani, we would say "Misiagware ooooo!" The response is "Iya!"

Fratermathy, which is the important thing here?argument being futile or it's being the truth? Are you one of those that try to cover the truth because it's not pleasant to you? Or you're simple prejudiced?

Noted.

fratermathy:
I beckon on all, Igbos and Urhobos, to sheathe their swords and let this thread die a natural death or at best, serve as a reminder that there are serious ethnic tensions between Urhobos and Igbos that have been exacerbated by internet comments and statements.

Bantudra: You've made your point. Except your motives are otherwise, PLEASE stop the campaign of calumny against our neighbours. I understand your pain. I've been there too. Many IPOB youths think that they have the monopoly of propaganda and hate. However, instead of rescinding to their status, show them why you are not on the same level with them. Simply ignore their antics. Also, avoid the usage of the word "Delta" to refer to our people. Our people are the Urhobo/Isoko, not "Delta" "Delta" is a conglomeration of diverse tribes that can speak for themselves.

Ehikwe22: Your argument is futile. Whether or not Anioma is Igbo does not help the Anioma cause in any way. Those who see Anioma as Igbo won't change that perception because of your claims. After all, many of them can hear and understand your languages. So the banter is completely unnecessary.

iSlayer2, Ngozi123, Neemrod, BiafranPound, Westconquered et al.: I tender my apologies, on behalf of my brethren here, if we have insulted the Igbo race in any way. Kindly take Bantudra's outrage as a personal angst against what IPOB youths have caused online. If he's truly Urhobo as he says he is, he can't be blamed for it as I have explained earlier on. He is not alone so you will definitely see some others, real Urhobos or impostors, who will flame the embers of ethnic discord. Since you guys say you mean no ill towards us, learn to ignore things like this and use your language well and maybe, just maybe, some of us may learn to start trusting/tolerating Igbos. It would mean much if you start cautioning some of the Igbos that cause problems online. Everyone cannot be your enemy at the same time. As Urhobos, we have suffered hate from neighbouring tribes for years now but we have managed to ignore them and let our progress do the talking. It is not every altercation that the Igbo must respond to. Sometimes, simply ignore things, especially when you know you are far better than those who would want to debase and ridicule you or your ethnicity. By ignoring your detractors, you conquer them!

I rest my case here! In Urhobo/Isoko/Ukwuani, we would say "Misiagware ooooo!" The response is "Iya!"

you reason very strange...when this igboid groups in the south south go fvck up because of biafra..wouldnt the trouble reach us Urhobo/Isoko too??..

that is not the way to prevent trouble..by just staying quiet will make them believe that you agree with what they do...

didnt you see how they took the entire south south for granted to join biafra although some of us keept on telling them for years to dont join the south south to biafra??...

when it comes to war,wouldnt it effect us,Urhobos/Isokos too..??

they always say evil men win when the good men keep quiet....

atleast they know now that the south south is too diverse to try that biafra experiment...

bantudra:


its kadunians problem not mine.....i am tired of this moronns always including my area in their wet dreams and abusing me day and night the same time....we south southerners dont want biafra....it seems this people dont speak english...

If there is any moronic dingbat in this whole saga, I say you are the one. You can bank this statement with meaningful interest.

YourImaginaryBF:
Of course. Nigeria is the greatest black nation on earth. I'm proud to be a Nigerian.

Please try to get elementary education, no country is "Black". It looks, in fact, that most Nigerians are dummies.

Dedetwo:


If there is any moronic dingbat in this whole saga, I say you are the one. You can bank this statement with meaningful interest.

get it now or not..i dont realy care....the south south dont want biafra,period....

Dedetwo:


Please try to get elementary education, no country is "Black". It looks, in fact, that most Nigerians are dummies.

you are black,wheather you like it or not....other nations see you as black..their is nothing you can do about that....

bantudra:


am not afraid of biafra..but i think we better draw a clear line now before we create another big trouble for ourselves...

i dont know how many none igboid tribes reside in the south east...maybe none..

but in the south south the situation is much different...

You shall be moved!!!

bantudra:


you are black,wheather you like it or not....other nations see you as black..their is nothing you can do about that....

Only Orhubo person can have this stream of thought. Which other nation knows you as a black ass? No wonder the IPOB and MASSOB want to part from Nigeria. How can a person have a drone as compatriot?

Dedetwo:


Only Orhubo person can have this stream of thought. Which other nation knows you as a black ass? No wonder the IPOB and MASSOB want to part from Nigeria. How can a person have a drone as compatriot?

chaiii....then what you want to call yourself then??....pink??....

bantudra:


get it now or not..i dont realy care....the south south dont want biafra,period....

There is a so-called south-south and there are Igbo, Ijo, Edo, Ibibio, Annang, Efik and ogoni. You can see I did not care to add some insignificant entities into the list.

Dedetwo:


You shall be moved!!!

look...i am pissed that am included in something i dont want......i know the igboid tribes will not relocate to the south east for biafra...

who want to move them,me??..

the same way they can not move me too...sooo,that makes biafra impossible in the south south....