fyomer:
If the early European missionaries had depend on LET GO FISHING alone,Africa wont be were it was today.likewise early Arabs who GO OUT KILLING,"jihad"the world wont be what we have today

Nobody says you can't start doing something about the problems you care about. You people enjoy condemning those who are actually doing something than you'll even do anything yourselves. Talk is always cheap.

Joagbaje:


And what problem do you have with fleecing the flock . its for the good of the flock to be fleeced.

None!

Just that the flock should be told, point blank, they about to be fleeced, not sugar coating it with "in the name of or for God."
That way the sheeple will willingly consent to and knows fleecing is going on for the greater good of the shepherd and grows more fleece.

seguno2:


Please show us how the churches and mosques are helping the citizens to hold the government responsible.
Thanks

You might need to read my comment again but may be now with aim to understand it because your question does seem to be non-aligning.

Churches are never set up to help the citizens to hold the govt responsible. It is not their primary job as an organisation but rather it's you as an individual who is responsible to ask questions.

Regards.

mikolo80:
leys be honest. That's not their job.

But its their Job to receive stolen funds?

What Job do they do if their members in both religion are ruining this nation with no recourse to conscience.

Their members seem not to be changed or transformed into nation loving, empathetic Nigerian leaders.

Nukilia:
@ OP you're in trouble o.

Who has done this to you?

I know you are not feeling fine.

Kindly hold your politicians responsible for the misfortune you're facing. Keep the church out of your predicaments. Shalom

My Politicians are members of your Church and Mosques.

They steal and share with you know who

How will a pastor even receive a gift of a Private Jet...

Dare2Try:
OP u tried so much but the bad news is that you are irrelevant, nonsense of the century, you can't defend your failed A.P.C government again and now you are shifting the blame to the church of God, Ndi ara

Thank you. If we checked, you may have attended one of those Churches today.

A perfect example of how the Church may not be helping Nigeria.

See their product....SMH

Na real wa

anitapreeti:


Trash!!

What value have you added to your neighborhood? A typical Nigerian, mouth power!

You don't know me. I know me... I know what I have added and am still adding.

Thanks for commenting and for your input. Atleast you noticed and read my post. So message has been passed.

Have a great week. Peace

Gibrima1:
While it is not a bad line of thought in and of itself, the church just like a court was established for certain core purposes; and the core purpose for which God established churches in to reconcile men to himself. And love of God inspired by the Holy Spirit in the heart of men is the vehicle with which this will be achieved.

Why do people not ask courts or dancehalls/clubs to engage in research just just the way OP is asking the church to?

The OP is asking Religious bodies to be more responsible. Be practically relevant. Provide solutions where they can and speak up for the oppressed too.

Let your light so shine that others will benefit from your presence in their streets and cities.

What use is salt without taste. What use is the church with no effects (life changing, solution providing power)

You are here to do much more than just go to church, die and go to heaven....

There is more to you....peace

MakeADifference:
What problems does churches solve?

1. What problems does marriage solve?
2. What problems does kings solve?
3. What problems does owambe weddings solve?
4. What problems does graduation solve?
5. What problems does music solve


I can go on and on.

You won't be the first or last person to be anti-Christian. Even the smartest of them always find it easy being stupid.

Thanks for your kind Christlike words, you 'Nigerian Christian'

Even when someone might be trying to help you, you will still look for a way to fight them.

OP is not Anti-Christian. Just anti laziness

Anti-runaway from responsibilities and pray instead.

How old are you? Since you were born till now, have you experienced steady power supply yet?
Is it impossible with God? Are Nigerian Christians serving a different God?

Is it impossible to make this work

Just one of the many problems shouting for Solution. Keep saying its Government's work and keep suffering and singing while the Government and your religious leaders are enjoying steady power supply and no recession at all...

mpowa:

But this kind of thinking don't make sense. What's Church's business with 'Intellectual Laziness' are they supposed to leave the spiritual mission they're giving now, to start intellectual development? If churches are spreading more than factories and industries, it's a challenge to you. It means they are EXCELLENT in what they're doing, if you're excelling in yours, maybe they won't but that factory, maybe that other place would have been an industry.

Now that you're so concerned about 'intellect', even the areas they've ventured to help (Universities), Thou pricey but at least those who have the money gets high quality education, but you guys have condemned them to hell. Imagine they start venturing to other things - It will be an unstoppable flow of attack.

IT simple, do something with your own life. Society has dynamics, if everyone is doing what they should do, there will be balance. If I become a pastor today. Every day will be LET'S GO A FISHING, because that's my mission, I'm called to spiritual things. I'm just being good at my job.

Spiritual things like receive stolen funds meant to develop and build society?

Have you wondered why your Religious leaders (save a few) dont call out or speak against the looting by Government. They enjoy the loots as offerings, seeds, etc...

izzou:


If the Asians have proved that we can be developed and grow our economy without any religion or outside religion, why then are you depending on religion for yours? Why not tow the same path with them?

I don't know whether you believe in God,but Christianity and Islam never encouraged laziness. You claimed Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook with only the Internet and a computer. But have you forgotten that the computer needs power? Did you realize that the Internet facilities abroad are efficient and affordable than ours. In some countries, Internet is a fundamental human right.

No matter how successful a church, school,mosque or hospital becomes,it will still be expected to serve it's purpose. You don't compel a hospital to fix the roads around their vicinity because they are successful. Yes,they could do it,but it isn't their job

To the one who can do good and doeth it not, it is SIN
James 4:17

3mmanhu3l:
let me tell yhu somethin..... I graduated from uniben, at one point, they decided to restrict the activities of school fellowships....... That was one of the bloodiest periods of uniben's existence..... 'Til today, they cannot make that move again....... Now imagine it large scale, in the whole of Nigeria.... Consequences would be dire..... It's not just addictions my brotha, addictions are just the fore runners of full blown chaos...... Be careful what you wish for

The Bible says people perish for lack of knowledge (Ignorance), not lack of Religious activities.

How good is Nigeria with all the Religious a activities in the larger scale.

hpk:
I don't blow my trumpet!!! Which student have you heard Babcock university paid rehab bills for?? Don't come on here and spew what you don't know. Religious enterprises are the major rot in this nation.

We don't pay read bills , we heal. Rather than rehab a demon needs being cast out

izzou:


Lol

I quite agree with you sha. But my point is we cannot be depending on another sector or organization for a need contrary to their objective

We can't say,because GTB recorded a profit of 42bn,they should be responsible for improving the health sector.

Yes,they could build hospitals, but it wasn't the vision and objectives it's founding fathers had,or the aims of a bank.

The church, if you are a Christian, was established solely for propagating God's word. You can't blame them for unemployment. China Is successful, not because of religion, remember?

I quite agree with you that religion has done relatively well in Nigeria and instead of channeling this success to human development, the G Os prefer to fly private jets,but let's not misplace priorities here

James 4:17
He that knows to do good and doeth not, to him it is SIN.

Sibe007:


The Bible says people perish for lack of knowledge (Ignorance), not lack of Religious activities.

How good is Nigeria with all the Religious a activities in the larger scale.

I get the feeling you are just intentionally trying to be annoyingly narrow minded..... I know you get my point, I don't need to argue................

itsmeurLady:
When u truly know Christ, ur problems wld be easy for u to sort out... did I forget to add that God gives u spiritual insight as to what u will do with ur life Jesus sed he that follows me will no longer walk in darkness (confusion, disaster) buh he shall have the light of life (solutions, peace, joy, prosperity). If our Govt. leaders are true followers of Christ, they will perform their duties well and by doing that create more jobs for the masses but it's just that so many of us claim to be Christians buh we've never enjoyed the benefits of that "personal relationship with Christ".... I dnt type anything that doesn't work for me, even tho I err sometimes, I still know that there's no place sweeter than dwelling in God's presence. There is less trouble, peace, happiness, Favour, fulfillment and many others. Who am I without Christ?? And What is life without Christ? Continue Spreading the Word, let them hav a true knowledge of Christ. Till people stop asking questions like wat these poster just asked, there is still much more to be done. People need to truly Know Christ More!!!

This is what you will tell our kids in years to come why Nigeria is still behind, in almost all fields despite our Religiousness??

What use is Salt if it has no taste?

It is not a SIN for a human to use his brain or seek a better Society for us all seeing that this very religious one is not working well.

VULCAN:
Religion is a terrible thing. It has blinded the minds of most Christians in Africa. They actually believe that sheepishly following a set of rules and codes and sticking with groupthink is what Jesus came for. How Sad.

There are 200 times more Pharisees and Sadducees in African Churches now than there are people who are connected to the Spirit Of God.

OP did not say we should close churches. But that is what many people are responding to.

OP did not say Churches should do govt work of providing infrastructure etc. But that's what many people are responding to.

The ability to read and comprehend spiritual issues has altogether been lost to many Christians because of a religious mindset. Once a matter "appears" to be a critique of Christianity many peoples brain goes into red alert and shuts down.

What the OP is saying is that churches should be at the forefront of inspiring their members to make a positive difference within their communities and sphere of influence.

That will have a greater impact on Nigeria than focusing solely on street evangelism (which is now more about poaching members of other churches, than converting unbelievers).

How people can read the OP and not get that is beyond me.

Like I said, Christians were at the forefront of scientific progress immediately after the spiritual awakening brought about by the Reformation of Martin Luther.

Most of the basic discoveries in Physics and Chemistry and Engineering that is the foundation of the life we enjoy today emanated from said Reformation.

Today you can hardly find Born Again Christians in The West excelling in the above fields as thinking has been rejected by the churches for at least 90yrs.

God Deliver The Black Race

Thank you so very much....all I ve been saying. There must be something we can do to bring us out of this mess in Nigeria... Our religious activities can be more potent and practically effective than what it seems today...

Sibe007:


My Politicians are members of your Church and Mosques.

They steal and share with you know who

How will a pastor even receive a gift of a Private Jet...

May God help us bro. We hope for a total revolution sometime soon.

itsmeurLady:


With all these things that u kno, I won't be surprised if u are broke as Bleep.... Anywayz, Silence is the best answer given to a Dundie!! Are u even a Man Cs u talk like a Woman. Since ure full of insults, insults u will get. Quote me back if ure a bastard!!!

Nigerian Christian lady, easy with your words. Sorry if u felt insulted by his post. No vex, but let your words carry grace....

Sibe007:


You don't know me. I know me... I know what I have added and am still adding.

Thanks for commenting and for your input. Atleast you noticed and read my post. So message has been passed.

Have a great week. Peace

You have added yours! Yea great!!
Why question and criticize another person's own contribution?
Have a lovely week ahead too. Shalom

petra1:


We don't pay read bills , we heal. Rather than rehab a demon needs being cast out

Guh give yourself a Han job for that trash you just ah chat??

Sibe007:


But its their Job to receive stolen funds?
depends ,all tithe na tithe unless God say no
What Job do they do if their members in both religion are ruining this nation with no recourse to conscience.
spread the gospel
Their members seem not to be changed or transformed into nation loving, empathetic Nigerian leaders.

yeah cos they're not doing the job properly.

Sibe007:


Nigerian Christian lady, easy with your words. Sorry if u felt insulted by his post. No vex, but let your words carry grace....

I am sorry buh it got me upset I dnt like ppl that dnt want to learn buh feel they kno it all, I'm sorry

menxer:


None!

Just that the flock should be told, point blank, they about to be fleeced, not sugar coating it with "in the name of or for God."
That way the sheeple will willingly consent to and knows fleecing is going on for the greater good of the shepherd and grows more fleece.

That is always done. They are fleeced by consent .

Sibe007:


But its their Job to receive stolen funds?

What Job do they do if their members in both religion are ruining this nation with no recourse to conscience.

Their members seem not to be changed or transformed into nation loving, empathetic Nigerian leaders.

their job is not to breed nation lovers but heaven loverS or more accurately prosperity lovers

Sibe007:


Thank you. If we checked, you may have attended one of those Churches today.

A perfect example of how the Church may not be helping Nigeria.

See their product....SMH

Na real wa

I attend one of those Churches agreed but what the Church has done for me your failed government will never match it in Hundred years to come

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