TonyeBarcanista:


Gen Yakubu Gowon was COAS when he plotted coup.

Gen Aguiyi Ironsi was COAS before he took charge

Gen Ibrahim Babangida was COAS before he took charge.

Gen Sani Abacha had his influence as COAS, the CDS "upgrade" was actually to phase him out but he changed it.

Gen TY Danjuma made his influence as COAS to Murtala Muhammed.

As for ex CDS Abdulsallam Abubakar, he was APPOINTED C-in-C by SMC and he didn't plot coup after d death of Abacha.

Let me state that only 2 ex CDS have assumed C-in-C but Abacha should be an exception because his powers started as COAS.

In fact, even some GOC's are more powerful than CDS eg Muhammad Buhari and Murtala Muhammed.


This piece will help you http://www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa13.htm

Wow! Some high grade ignorance on display here.

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Eaa247:
chief of defence staff is superior. in USA its calld defence secretary or secretary of defence

No bro!! The equivalent in the USA is actually Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The Secretary of defense is equivalent to our Minister of Defense

Alexkene:

Thanks for the explanation. Yours is the most meaningful.
So where does the National security adviser come in / fall in.
Who is he more superior too / who is more superior to him
Thanks

Basic definition =
The NSA is a manager of all matters relating to internal and external threats to Nigeria. anything that can compromise Nigeria's security, national interests and sovereignty. He gets his intelligence from SSS, DIA, embassies, spies, and the armed forces and then briefs the president and recommends adequate response. It is powerful because he can implicate the service chiefs and other spy agency chiefs in coups or not doing their jobs well. That is why Sambo Dasuki was powerful.

Take a look at what's on their shoulders before you ask questions, secondly the answers to your questions are on the Internet, hope you are not trying to MANIPULATE nairalanders into some sort of arguments.

TonyeBarcanista:
Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army.

However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare.
Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title.

The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too.

Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general.

@OP The COAS na him be d koko

The COAS is not superior to the CDS in any way. It all depends on the personality occupying the post.
When Alex Badeh was CDS he was more popular than the COAS.
And the CDS is usually higher in rank to any COAS
You're being sentimental with your comment.
I don't know how something as obvious as this should be misinterpreted

Anazp:
Diya wasnt CDS. He was Chief of General Staff. Abdulsalami was CDS and later became Head of State. Shut the f up if you dont what youre saying

He may not know. Just enlighten him politely and he will ofcouse shut up!

TonyeBarcanista:


Gen Yakubu Gowon was COAS when he plotted coup.

Gen Aguiyi Ironsi was COAS before he took charge

Gen Ibrahim Babangida was COAS before he took charge.

Gen Sani Abacha had his influence as COAS, the CDS "upgrade" was actually to phase him out but he changed it.

Gen TY Danjuma made his influence as COAS to Murtala Muhammed.

As for ex CDS Abdulsallam Abubakar, he was APPOINTED C-in-C by SMC and he didn't plot coup after d death of Abacha.

Let me state that only 2 ex CDS have assumed C-in-C but Abacha should be an exception because his powers started as COAS.

In fact, even some GOC's are more powerful than CDS eg Muhammad Buhari and Murtala Muhammed.


This piece will help you http://www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa13.htm

we re in a democratic dispensation, there is a section of Nigeria's constitution that vested power on the CDS, all the theories you formulated about coas re not applicable under this dispensation.
democracy is about chain of command and authority.
constitutionally all the service chiefs re answerable to CDS.

Section 217 of the 1999 Constitution (as amended) establishes the Armed Forces of the Federation and prescribes in Section 218 that the command and operational use of the Armed forces shall be vested with the President. Then the laws proceed to consolidate and solidify the powers and position of the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) in the Military chain of command. 

Armed Forces Act cap A20 LFN 2004, which provides for the command, maintenance and administration of the Armed Forces provides a clearer picture. Section 7 of the Act entrust the day-to-day command and operational use of the armed forces to the CDS. At the top of the chain command

the question of the thread is about superior not influential,.

we can't rely on theories against what the constitution stands for.
in order not to mislead people here ,the CDS is the superior of all the service chiefs in the chain of command.

any other thing can be treated as a conspiracy theory

PeaceGord:


Well done.

No mine am!


Mnwl, once again your signature kills me!

How you dey?


I admired it with my other moniker.

lol thanks... Its just the truth sha... A good man would admit it.

Well I am doing fine ...and you?

ehissi:


This is totally misleading, in short, it is complete hogwash........

It's like saying AOC Training command is just there, while the commander of 330 NAF Station na D koko.....

Are you even living in this country?


You say joint operations in this country is rare?

Chief of Defence Staff cannot tell Chief of Army Staff what to do at any given time!?

You say Chief of Army Staff is more powerful within the army than Chief of Defence Staff?

Chairman, in short the whole Nairaland, disregard in entirety what was said here. This is the typical talk you hear from politicians who know nothing about the Nigerian military.

In all things, the Chief of Defence Staff is the Koko. It is even worse when the CDS and COAS are from the same Military force, na close marking COAS go dey collect.

CDS can even recommend COAS for instant retirement for your information, don't allow pant to be wearing you there Ooooh.

No foolish Chief of Army Staff will near Mr President or Minister of Defence or NSA etc for any type of briefing without first calling Chief of Defence Staff, except he wants to terminate his career.....

Chief of Army Staff dey mad? Them never born that kin Chief of Army staff yet......Not even for Hollywood movie, not to even talk of Nollywood.......

For your information, if C-in-C even give an order now, Chief of Defence Staff can use his influence and give a counter - order to Chief of Army Staff - provided C-in-C is not on ground as at that time - and Chief of Army Staff will double up and perform it........

Abi you never hear of "Obey of the Last Order" before for your life. Make Chief of Army Staff no try himself, except him wan die. Him father yansh there.........

A 4 star officer will be on ground in the earth - even if no be Nigeria E dey, so long as he is not 6ft below the ground - and common Chief of Army Staff who is just one of the 3 service chiefs will go and be seeing C-in-C without notifying him first............


I laugh in Blanket putty...........

Guy u nail it off u directly speak my mind

OkoNDOoBo:
we re in a democratic dispensation, there is a section of Nigeria's constitution that vested power on the CDS, all the theories you formulated about coas re not applicable under this dispensation.
democracy is about chain of command and authority.
constitutionally all the service chiefs re answerable to CDS.
Section 217 of the 1999 Constitution (as amended) establishes the Armed Forces of the Federation and prescribes in Section 218 that the command and operational use of the Armed forces shall be vested with the President. Then the laws proceed to consolidate and solidify the powers and position of the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) in the Military chain of command.
Armed Forces Act cap A20 LFN 2004, which provides for the command, maintenance and administration of the Armed Forces provides a clearer picture. Section 7 of the Act entrust the day-to-day command and operational use of the armed forces to the CDS. At the top of the chain command
the question of the thread is about superior not influential,.
we can't rely on theories against what the constitution stands for.
in order not to mislead people here ,the CDS is the superior of all the service chiefs in the chain of command.
any other thing can be treated as a conspiracy theory

Well said,
many Nigerians actually only believe pastors, imams and their tribal representatives. If the information does not come from these groups it cannot be true.

This comparison can be likened to that of chancellor and vice chancellor of a university.

CDC is superior to COAS. By rank, CDC is a Four star General Gen. Olowoshakin while COAS is a three star Lieutenant Gen. Buratai

I remember when Victor Malu was COAS and Danjuma was CODS and the Tivs were fighting Jukuns. Guess what! The two tossed their military paraphernalia and the later won.

AK481:
CDs is mere figure head.
Coas is executive head.

Just like the chairman of a bank vs the gmd of a bank.

The cds has no infantry loyal to him and cannot even mobilize a unit to quell any insuration that the coas support.

Cds is a nonsense post. That's why it Bubu gave it to yorubas,the actions happens @ the desk of coas.

"One more thing,the coas brief and receives orders directly from the c in c"

If that's the comparison you've come up with, then you are wrong. The Chairman of a company is FAR POWERFUL than a GMD. The Chairman sits on a Board that formulate policies and Corporate level strategies that guides the company. The same Chairman and Board decides the fate of the GMD/CEO & COO who equally sit on same Board controlled by the Chairman.

With respect to the military, calling the CDS a mere figure head is absolutely wrong. It's like calling the US Chairman of Joint Chiefs of the US military (the CDS equivalent) are figure head. The CDS holds control of the Nigerian Armed Forces. Like the Board Chairman, the formulation of policies and strategies that guides all three services start from him. The Service Chiefs & their subordinates on the other hand come up with the necessary policies pertaining to tactics just like business level strategies in the civil world.

Nwanna2588:
I remember when Victor Malu was COAS and Danjuma was CODS and the Tivs were fighting Jukuns. Guess what! The two tossed their military paraphernalia and the later won.

Sir, Danjuma was MINISTER OF DEFENCE then, not CDS.

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ojuoluwani:
Guy u nail it off u directly speak my mind

I tire for them oooh!

They go just dey talk, E go just dey sweet them! For inside Mad man Job..........

They think say this wan na Fani Kayode vs Reno Omokri or PDP vs APC or Barcelona vs Real Madrid!

Them no know the difference between "The Standard" and "The General Idea".............

In theory, the CDS is superior to the Army Chief of Staff and other service chiefs.
But the service chiefs actually command troops, while the CDS is mostly an advisor to the government

TonyeBarcanista:
Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army.

However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare.
Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title.

The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too.

Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general.

@OP The COAS na him be d koko

While I agree with you on some facts, however, CDS still remains superiority because all the various arms of defence in which the office of the CDS overs cannot take any decision with the CDS knowledge.

There is no operation he doesn't have control over whether as an army individually or with other defence chiefs. As long as it has to do with the security system of the country, he approves. And same goes to all other arm of defence.

The only reason why you don't get to hear of him much is the fact that based on his position, he must remain impartial and neutral at cost. Also the fact that he responds to presidency direct and his role is on national security which requires you to be very discreet and talk less just like we didn't know Oke till the Ikoyi money saga. In fact, you will be surprised that he is more senior in rank than buratai and also very close to the president but army is out quick and more easily visible defence we see and experience regularly especially with the BH terror in the north and the bulk of it stops at Burutai's desk which he then relates to his boss who is the CDS and then NSA consequently for the presidency. So of course, Burutai may be more popular than his boys but he knows who the real boss is

Even from their rank (as in the pix) the CDS is a full general, COAS is a Liet. General

OkoNDOoBo:
we re in a democratic dispensation, there is a section of Nigeria's constitution that vested power on the CDS, all the theories you formulated about coas re not applicable under this dispensation.
democracy is about chain of command and authority.
constitutionally all the service chiefs re answerable to CDS.

Section 217 of the 1999 Constitution (as amended) establishes the Armed Forces of the Federation and prescribes in Section 218 that the command and operational use of the Armed forces shall be vested with the President. Then the laws proceed to consolidate and solidify the powers and position of the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) in the Military chain of command. 

Armed Forces Act cap A20 LFN 2004, which provides for the command, maintenance and administration of the Armed Forces provides a clearer picture. Section 7 of the Act entrust the day-to-day command and operational use of the armed forces to the CDS. At the top of the chain command

the question of the thread is about superior not influential,.

we can't rely on theories against what the constitution stands for.
in order not to mislead people here ,the CDS is the superior of all the service chiefs in the chain of command.

any other thing can be treated as a conspiracy theory

Thanks for this.

Nairalanders should ignore conspiracy theories.

Understand that the ARMY (under COAS) is only an arm of the Armed Forces which comprises Army, Navy and Airforce. Also understand that the Armed Forces is used interchangeably as Military.

Defence comprises Military (for external aggression) and other paraphernalia of state for internal aggression like Police, National Guard, Civil Defence etc

Also note that CDS is a professional career position and not a political one like CGS as some posts have shown people don't know the difference.

allrightsir:


what an utterly ignorant post.

The question is who is superior and you and talkhing about coups...did yuo go to school? What has coup got to do with the question.


Anybody can stage a coup if you have the troups, it does not mean you have more power or outrank the others. The CDS does not have troups under him but he is the most senior, you cannot stage a coup from the Air or by sea so thats why you have not seen any coups staged by the Navy or Airforce.

If you were smart you would have known by now that the post was in response to a comment that claimed that no COAS has emerged C-inC.

Go read my position on the original post

obinoral1179:
CDS is more of a coordinator of the 3 armed Forces whereas COAS is the sole coordinator of the ARMY...... In terms of rank CDS comes first cause he is a 4 star general while the rest are 3 star general.

lol see ignorance

Chief of defence

arrestdarrester:
The chief of defence staff is more powerful by virtue of the fact that his rank is superior and his position is professional and not political.

The chief of army staff, naval staff and air staff all report to him.

By the way he is a full fledged General (4 star general) while chief of army staff is only a 3 star general.

Uhmm correction: The CDS position is political. Same with the COAS, CAS, CNS, and others like IGP, DG-DSS, DG-NIA, and recently DG-DIA.

arrestdarrester:


Thanks for this.

Nairalanders should ignore conspiracy theories.

Understand that the ARMY (under COAS) is only an arm of the Armed Forces which comprises Army, Navy and Airforce. Also understand that the Armed Forces is used interchangeably as Military.

Defence comprises Military (for external aggression) and other paraphernalia of state for internal aggression like Police, National Guard, Civil Defence etc

Also note that CDS is a professional career position and not a political one like CGS as some posts have shown people don't know the difference.

Defence only consists of the three services in the Armed forces.

Police is outside their purview, same with Civil Defence etc.

theSpark:


Secretary of Defense is a civilian position. I think the position you mean was Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff.

bro Secretary of defence in Nigeria is called minister of defence! He's more powerful than CDS and COAS

PDPGuy:
In theory, the CDS is superior to the Army Chief of Staff and other service chiefs.
But the service chiefs actually command troops, while the CDS is mostly an advisor to the government

He is not just an adviser please. The day you realize that the Airforce, Navy, Police and Civil population (ie bloody civilians) can abort a coup plot by ground forces, it is then you will realize CDS is not just an adviser.