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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 5:01pm On May 22, 2017
PDPGuy:

Okay

But I still don't get why the Police is under the Ministry of Interior. In most other countries, the police reports to the Ministry of Justice, or Department of Justice in America.
My Brother, I think Interior is better that domiciling it in MoJ.

The MoJ is too powerful already in Nigeria settings. Domiciling the Police force in the ministry is more like swelling the powers of the ministry.

I think it being in Interior is cool.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by stanley59(m): 5:01pm On May 22, 2017
PDPGuy:


Actually, the service chiefs can report to the Acting president because the latter has the full powers of a substantive president until the president himself transmits a letter to the National Assembly indicating that he/she is ready to resume the duties of the office.
no,no when i use the word report i mean command,the Ag president can only command the service chiefs with senate backing...theoretical law (authority) and fiscal law (authority) are very different... they are some stipulations to be fulfilled if the Ag. president wishes to take full control of the Armed forces.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by PDPGuy: 5:12pm On May 22, 2017
stanley59:

no,no when i use the word report i mean command,the Ag president can only command the service chiefs with senate backing...theoretical law (authority) and fiscal law (authority) are very different... they are some stipulations to be fulfilled if the Ag. president wishes to take full control of the Armed forces.
Yes, I believe the NASS ought to be the final authority with regard to the deployment of Nigeria troops in war zones.

But, sections 145 and 145 of the constitution (as amended), invests the full powers of the president onto the Acting president. So, the Acting president also becomes the C-in-C, albeit for a short period.

The 'restrictions' on the functions of the AP are all political in nature: the Acting president, with a belief that the substantive president would send another letter notifying the NASS about his/her readiness to resume the office of president, wouldn't want to make drastic changes to either govt policy or the organization of government. Thus, he has to tread carefully lest he be accused of trying to overthrow his boss.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by PDPGuy: 5:14pm On May 22, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
My Brother, I think Interior is better that domiciling it in MoJ.

The MoJ is too powerful already in Nigeria settings. Domiciling the Police force in the ministry is more like swelling the powers of the ministry.

I think it being in Interior is cool.
Hmm

If you take out the police and prisons from the interior ministry, the ministry is as good as indolent
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 5:16pm On May 22, 2017
PDPGuy:

Hmm

If you take out the police and prisons from the interior ministry, the ministry is as good as indolent
What about Immigration? Civil Defence?

Oga, Interior ministry is a VERY POWERFUL ministry. No go there.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by stanley59(m): 5:24pm On May 22, 2017
PDPGuy:


The CIA is only part of a 16-agency strong Intelligence Community. No other agency 'reports' to the CIA and vice versa.

In fact, all the 16 intel agencies report to the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who acts like a coordinator of the intel community.
The office of DNI was created in 2005 due to recommendations of the special 9/11 commission.

Moreover, the US military chain of command, per the Goldwater-Nichols Act, runs from the president - Secretary of Defense - the commanders of the combatant commands (i.e. CENTCOM, SOCOM, Tramsport Command etc).
we ain't talking about the military chain of command...which btw i have already pointed out rather vaguely if you'd agree ...
please kindly check who gives the final report to the US president on intelligence every working day, who is referred to the chief of national and central intelligence, see if it's the same person.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Odunayaw(m): 5:28pm On May 22, 2017
tdayof:


I hope you know some troops are under the ONSA? the CDS can use them whenever he wants. The men of the Nigerian Armed Forces special Force (AFSF) those guys won't answer to the COAS during emergency.

They're being funded by ONSA.

Whatever order the COAS gives passes through the CDS desk. The COAS reports to the CDS.


cc: Odunayaw
I do my best to stay away from threads like this for the Ignorance is contagious

In the Defence food/command chain..The CDS is a boss and whatever have you to the COAS

There is no Ops Internal or External that doesn't get the approval of the CDS first as any break of protocol could lead to a court Marshal

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by stanley59(m): 5:28pm On May 22, 2017
BTW it's nice to see they are few engaging minds,inquisitive and very focused who'd prefer to engage in thought provoking discourses and topics rather than burn they talent and wifi or data on ...... skibi, kush and idle talks.cool

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by stanley59(m): 5:33pm On May 22, 2017
Odunayaw:
I do my best to stay away from threads like this for the Ignorance is contagious

In the Defence food/command chain..The CDS is a boss and whatever have you to the COAS

There is no Ops Internal or External that doesn't get the approval of the CDS first as any break of protocol could lead to a court Marshal

Then educate the ignorant with facts and share opinions rather than ignore them...but first of all i,doubt you know the meaning of internal ops more correctly put as internal affairs......
You claim that CDS commands all and all...then i put this simple question to you ;TO WHOM DOES THE GUARD BRIGADE report to...
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Odunayaw(m): 5:44pm On May 22, 2017
stanley59:

Then educate the ignorant with facts and share opinions rather than ignore them...but first of all i,doubt you know the meaning of internal ops more correctly put as internal affairs......
You claim that CDS commands all and all...then i put this simple question to you ;TO WHOM DOES THE GUARD BRIGADE report to...
The Guards Brigade is not in the military chain of command. It answers to the President and is part of the Presidential security team

what do you mean you doubt I know the meaning of internal ops..Harbin Kunama is what? Operation Zaman lafiya is what?

I didn't mean to ruse any feathers with my statement in d last post but seeing the first post after the Op's post was quite disgusting

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by sapientia(m): 5:56pm On May 22, 2017
Na wa ooo... wish i saw this on time..

COAS will salute the CDS any time.. any day..

If COAS tells you to report to Abuja and you respond that CDS needs you in Kano, he looks for another person ASAP.


COAS is always in the news cos the army is involved in daily operations.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by omoelerin1: 5:58pm On May 22, 2017
bedspread:
U ARE A JOKER..... HAVE U EVER THOUGHT WHY GEJ DIDNT TAKE AWAY GEN. IHEJIRIKA FROM THE COAS POST THROUGH OUT HIS TENURE??

THE CDS MIGHT BE SENIOR IN RANK TO THE COAS BUT THE POST OF THE COAS IS MORE SENSITIVE AND IMPORTANT THAN THE CDS.
the reason cannot be far fetched. in nigeria the army is seemed to be stronger than the air force and navy unlike in the militarily powerful nations. consider countries like usa, russia, china, uk israel which have stronger and more sophisticated air power are not heavily relied on ground troop and not more important.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Alexkene(m): 6:06pm On May 22, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
What about Immigration? Civil Defence?

Oga, Interior ministry is a VERY POWERFUL ministry. No go there.

Police, Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence, Road Safety

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 6:17pm On May 22, 2017
Alexkene:
Police, Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence, Road Safety
Road Safety is under the Presidency and supervised by the Office of SGF
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Fourwinds: 6:21pm On May 22, 2017
awillabo:
The CDS and the COAS both don't have operational control of the army.


Go get your facts rite. The operational control rest in the brigade commanders and unit commanders...


The CDS is a more superior Officer. He is assited by all other service chiefs.
It is the CDS duty to formulate policies and execute them..

All service chiefs report to the CDS.


The third pic is from nigerias defense ministry website.
U have answered d question with proofs
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nwanna2588: 6:23pm On May 22, 2017
ocelot2006:


Sir, Danjuma was MINISTER OF DEFENCE then, not CDS.
Thanks
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by omoelerin1: 6:46pm On May 22, 2017
Chief of defence is superior to chief of army, chief of air force, and chief of navy.he is the highest ranking officer in the nigerian military institution. Chief of army can only control the army which is just a branch of the nation's military institution. Unlike the chief of defence that coordinates all the branches of the military in their administrative and defence assignments. Chief of army is equivalent of the chiefs of air staff and naval staff. In nigeria we put more premium on the army above the remaining two because it is more stronger in terms of number and weapon and more engaged with the civilians and has responsible for coup plotting. President can appoint anyone from either army, air force or navy as chief of defence to coordinate all the three arms of the military.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Dedetwo(m): 6:57pm On May 22, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army.

However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare.
Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title.

The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too.

Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general.

@OP The COAS na him be d koko

False assumption. He who control the money and resources of the armed forces is actually in control. The service chiefs brief the CDS and Defense Minister. It is the defense minister that briefs the C-in-C.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by PDPGuy: 6:58pm On May 22, 2017
stanley59:

we ain't talking about the military chain of command...which btw i have already pointed out rather vaguely if you'd agree ...
please kindly check who gives the final report to the US president on intelligence every working day, who is referred to the chief of national and central intelligence, see if it's the same person.
According to the article below, it's the Office of the Director of National Intelligence that prepares the president's daily intelligence brief.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Dedetwo(m): 7:03pm On May 22, 2017
BlackMbakara1:
Strategically the COAS is the strongest, while CDS administratively is the strongest.

COAS commands more loyalty, whereas CDS commands less...

There is nothing like strategically in this picture. CDS is the superior officer and one rank above COAS. COAS can easily be overruled by CDS with or without the support of the Defense Minister. The hierarchy is C-in-C, Defense Minister, CDS and then service chiefs.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by BlackMbakara1(m): 7:15pm On May 22, 2017
Dedetwo:


There is nothing like strategically in this picture. CDS is the superior officer and one rank above COAS. COAS can easily be overruled by CDS with or without the support of the Defense Minister. The hierarchy is C-in-C, Defense Minister, CDS and then service chiefs.

You sure say you understand the word "Loyalty", "strategically" and "administratively"?

I understand English is a borrowed language, so i forgive your blabbing.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by awillabo: 7:43pm On May 22, 2017
AwiLand:


Thank You my brother, the reason why this is not that case now is because CDS is a Yoruba man while COAS is a Fulani Oligarchy


Nigeria and tribalism
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by awillabo: 7:46pm On May 22, 2017
Fourwinds:
U have answered d question with proofs

Mt brother... The internet is free
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Day169: 9:31pm On May 22, 2017
Nkem4040:


The army is only powerful because we are on land. If we all lived in the ocean or water, I assure you, the Navy will be the ones running the show including plotting coups. Likewise, if we all lived in the air, the Airforce will be in charge.
..If we all lived in the air?
LOL!!! grin grin grin

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Liljeez(m): 10:40pm On May 22, 2017
emerged01:

Just like that?
Are you a Cfite??
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Emerituz(m): 12:15am On May 23, 2017
badoh:
Good day,
kindly enlighten me on the more superior position between Chief of defense staff and Chief of Army staff in the Nigeria settings.
It seems the Chief of Defence staff do not get much public attention compared to the Chief of Army staff .
What are the expected roles of the two Military Chiefs?
If you really want clarification? UAE123 and Awiballo's explanations are the best. Their rank even make it self explanatory { a General(4 star) is superior to a Liutenant General(3 star) }
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Emerituz(m): 12:47am On May 23, 2017
2n2k:


Babangida was COAS
then who was the CDS that time?
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by bedspread: 12:51am On May 23, 2017
AreaFada2:


It is just that the army have chiefly being the coup plotters in 9ja history. By virtue of Army hierarchy in our defense forces and their strategic locations, numbers and weapons they have.

Kaduna Nzeogwu & colleagues, Murtala Mohamed, Dimka, Buhari, IBB, Abacha, John Shagaya, Dongoyaro and others have all been army officers.
So COAS is more sensitive strategically & security wise.

CDS is superior in administrative hierarchy. But 9ja's peculiar system makes it possible to render him somewhat ceremonial depending on the whims & caprices of the C-in-C.
MY BROTHER, NO C-IN-C IN NIGERIA WILL TAKE HIS TRUSTED MAN FROM COAS TO CDS. NIGERIA'S MILITARY POWERS ARE ON LAND. WHICH IS WERE THE NA LEADS
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by bedspread: 12:55am On May 23, 2017
Dedetwo:


There is nothing like strategically in this picture. CDS is the superior officer and one rank above COAS. COAS can easily be overruled by CDS with or without the support of the Defense Minister. The hierarchy is C-in-C, Defense Minister, CDS and then service chiefs.
BROS LEAVE HIERARCHY!! ALL THE SERVICE CHIEFS INCLUDING THE CDS REPORT DIRECTLY TO C-IN-C.
THE CDS COULD BE SENIOR IN RANK BUT DOES NOT COMMAND THE EARS OF THE C-IN-C LIKE THE COAS
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by bedspread: 12:58am On May 23, 2017
win2kwire:

Yes, but some corrections

1, Traditionally in Nigeria: Chief of Army staff = COAS (not CAS) - Chief of Air staff = CAS
2, The COAS and CDS do not command troops, the GOCs and Brigade commanders do. NOT JUST COMMANDS TROOPS BUT ALSO COMMANDS THE GOCs AND BRIGADE COMMANDERS
3, The relationships between the CDS or COAS to the troops depends what loyalties they get directly from the troop commanders!
4, The CDS is a FULL 4 star general while the COAS is a 3 star Lt General. The CDS is by far superior and he can contact the Troop commanders directly if he feels the COAS is compromised! The CDS is the top military uniformed commander in the armed forces. The minister of defence and Minister of state for defence only have political and administrative oversight, although they can issue presidential orders to the CDS and COAS!
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by bedspread: 1:00am On May 23, 2017
tdayof:


I hope you know some troops are under the ONSA? the CDS can use them whenever he wants. The men of the Nigerian Armed Forces special Force (AFSF) those guys won't answer to the COAS during emergency.

They're being funded by ONSA.

Whatever order the COAS gives passes through the CDS desk. The COAS reports to the CDS.


cc: Odunayaw
how many troops do the DHQ HAVE?

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