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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:41am On May 22, 2017 |
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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ovieokodhi(m): 11:48am On May 22, 2017 |
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=56745082]Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army. However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare. Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title. The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too. Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general. @OP The COAS na him be d koko[/as a soldier and with my years of experience I will tell that the CDS is way higher than the COAS it is the army the coas is answerable to the cds there is no operation that is done without the order of the cds that's why even the coas is aspiring to be on that seat someday so if the coas is the KOKO he won't want to be the cds cos right now he is working hard to get there.thanks 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ovieokodhi(m): 11:50am On May 22, 2017 |
Well said but as a soldier and with my years of experience I will tell that the CDS is way higher than the COAS it is the army the coas is answerable to the cds there is no operation that is done without the order of the cds that's why even the coas is aspiring to be on that seat someday so if the coas is the KOKO he won't want to be the cds cos right now he is working hard to get there.thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by centoke30(m): 11:50am On May 22, 2017 |
All I can say ryt now is that the CDS is a 3star General while the COAS is a two star general. The COAS is accountable to the CDS whose duty is to see to the defense of the country 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by HeGeMon(m): 11:53am On May 22, 2017 |
The COAS is the main deal because he holds the loyalty of all divisions of the Army, he can move troops & rotate GOCs & battalion commanders as at when he feels necessary, & doing so commands loyalty within the Army, which is the largest & most formidable in the armed forces, the CDS is more of a ceremonial head to coordinate joint ops within the DHQ such as Joint Task force Ops safe haven,Ops Lafiya dole, Ops pulo shield, & various activities within the banner of the Defence Structure, also he reports directly on behalf of other service chiefs to the president. But strategically, the COAS is more critical than the CDS. Appointment better pass rank oo. 3 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Samabu07(m): 11:55am On May 22, 2017 |
UAE123:Your parents didn't do mistake to give birth to you. Remain blessed. 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by mejai(m): 11:57am On May 22, 2017 |
dingbang:WORD!!! D answer lies in dis statement. |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by HeGeMon(m): 12:01pm On May 22, 2017 |
My brother now AOC TC from KD go fit command men from 330 just like that? No! Never! Na only commander fit move him men? Because the CO,AO, & other 330 personnel are under commander! ehissi: 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by AK481(m): 12:12pm On May 22, 2017 |
Eaa247: Sec of defense is like our military of defense. |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 12:13pm On May 22, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:I thought the IGP recommends senior officers for promotion to the PSC and not the other way round. You said the PSC recommends senior officers for promotion to the IGP which I think is wrong as I learnt from a police officer. Since the PSC does the promoting, why would they need recommendation first from the IGP? |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by GuyFawkes: 12:21pm On May 22, 2017 |
Eaa247:In the USA it's called the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The secretary of defense is equivalent to a minister of defense here. 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 12:22pm On May 22, 2017 |
Longman6:So you are saying the NSA is more powerful? Now look at this scenario. During the time of Sambo Dasuki as NSA, he was just a retired Army Colonel. Are you saying the CDS who is a general and the COAS who is a Lt. General would report to Sambo, an army Colonel who is very much their junior? 3 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:25pm On May 22, 2017 |
Alexkene:Sorry, it was an oversight... IGP recommends to PSC who approves and IGP executes. 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ehissi(m): 12:30pm On May 22, 2017 |
HeGeMon: No vex.......... Na this thing whey TonyeBarcanista type Na E I use take bring AOC Training command take do example. Oya read am, then answer my question; ........................."Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army. However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare. Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title. The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too. Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general. @OP The COAS na him be d koko"........................ You wan tell me now say AOC Training Command has only Administrative supervision over the Commander of 330 NAF station, he cannot tell the commander of 330 NAF Station what to do at any time. Only the Chief of Air Staff enjoys such power? Be like say you sef never see where AVM double up Air Comd live before, na E make you dey issue me all this kind jist? Abi you dey assume ba? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ogoji(m): 12:38pm On May 22, 2017 |
Kpakam tdayof: 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by vickylincon(m): 12:42pm On May 22, 2017 |
allrightsir:ok sir. hope that's all? |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Godabz: 12:52pm On May 22, 2017 |
CDS is the highest seat in the military. The service chiefs reports to the the CDS office regularly. CDS is the overall, and all service chiefs hope to be on the seat one day. 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by HeGeMon(m): 12:53pm On May 22, 2017 |
Lol, that one dey, but in the case of COAS vs CDS, every CDS prayer is to have a COAS wey go dey loyal, because of any eventuality, in the eventuality, the CDS will be a lame duck, because he doesn't directly command troops, so it's a very slippery situation. That is why COAS exclusively appoints his GOCs & brigade Commanders that are loyal to him. CDS is just office + 4 star hype ehissi: |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ShobayoEmma(m): 1:03pm On May 22, 2017 |
taayourty:Your answer is silly!!! So bokoharam do not hold territories in nigeria? Under WHOSE command is the air support the army enjoyed back then and who coordinate both the air force and the army then? Ode, CODS takes precedence the moment a nation's territory comes under threat. 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by anyebedgreat: 1:03pm On May 22, 2017 |
tdayof:Gbam! Barman, 1 bottle for this man. 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ObinnaVal93(m): 1:10pm On May 22, 2017 |
badoh:the CDS z more lyk a ceremonial head cos d heads of d oda tiers of d armed forces are more active tho he cud mobilize men from all tiers without interference... they are all answerable to d CDS... 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Tmoyo(m): 1:10pm On May 22, 2017 |
Nah chief of defense staff ooo..... he controls all security agencies 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Longman6(m): 1:11pm On May 22, 2017 |
Alexkene: Yes they would, infact the present NSA Advisor is a retired Major-General, the CDS, and Burtai, report to him. Not even the Minister of Defence has the power at his disposal. In the US only the smartest of individuals: professors, ex military guys, diplomat become NSA, google the NSA and you would know what am saying, Its purely an intellectual position in saner climes. A good NSA adviser would stop the Biafra movement before it started without the army shooting a gun, he would know that solving the Boko haram problem can be archieved through creating employment which would inturn limit the number of recruits available for Boko Haram, he would know that education is needed to solve the problem totally. only the finest of men become NSA in China, us,UK and France. In Nigeria here are some of the power he has 1 He can see the president at any fuuuuuking time nobody can stop him. 2 His appointment is not confirmed by anybody. 3 only the president can order his arrest:he knows to much, for instance Sambo wasnt sacked immediately Buhari came into power, and only the president can give orders for his investigation 4 His budgetary allocation isnt even under the juridiction of the Minister of Finance or CBN governor(Okonjo IWEAlLA cont question Dasuki's request), he could demand any amount from the treasury as long as the president assets to it. 5 He has the finest Millitary men at his disposal inform of special units who answer to no one except himself and the president. 6 He over see's all arms procurement for the millitary. 7 He is the last stop in all matters concerning security before the president. 8 He answers to no one except the president In the US, the NSA is supported by Four(not sure) assistant NSA who have experience in different sector, he cordinates the powerful National Security Agency,CIA, FBI and other government agencies... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 1:16pm On May 22, 2017 |
This one you people are asking this kind of question so I hope it's not what I am thinking it is, else lemme jeje pack my family to Europe and raise the banner "Say No to Civil Warri #One Nigerian" from my backyard in London. |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by alezzy13: 1:17pm On May 22, 2017 |
Alexkene: I suppose the idea is that the NSA has the direct ears of the C-in-C and therefore can have indirect influence over the activities of any of the service chiefs. 2 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ehissi(m): 1:17pm On May 22, 2017 |
HeGeMon: Na you talk am........ All these things na only one letter, if COAS too do, highest CDS recommend the fellow for retirement. Or tell C-in-C say E no fit work with am, Datz all. COAS is a retired WIE, that is why a smart COAS will use every opportunity to show oga that he is loyal. All these wan na bobo......... 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by alezzy13: 1:18pm On May 22, 2017 |
Longman6: Totally agree with this. 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by blackgig(m): 1:26pm On May 22, 2017 |
ikdaddy01: Wrong! Diya was CGS (Chief of General Staff). |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by blackgig(m): 1:28pm On May 22, 2017 |
Eaa247: Wrong! CGS in Nigeria is similar to Chairman Joint Chiefs in USA. Defence Secretary is similar to Minister of Defence. |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 1:42pm On May 22, 2017 |
Longman6: In that case, why don't they appoint the highest ranking military officer as the NSA. And most of all what you stated up there applies to the united states and not Nigeria. Stop comparing both countries and stick with info as pertaining to Nigeria please. Can the NSA command and deploy troops? 1 Like |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by win2kwire: 1:44pm On May 22, 2017 |
HeGeMon: The COAS is ONLY one of the main deal in the chain of command, the loyalty of all divisions of the Army is to the people of Nigeria THROUGH the COAS, CDS, defence minister and President. The COAS can issue APPROVED ORDERS to move troops & rotate Brigade and battalion commanders as at when he feels necessary (but must memo defence ministry), GOC appointments is at higher level but the COAS announces it when approved! The CDS is NOT a ceremonial head to coordinate joint ops within the DHQ, the CDS is the principal commander for administration, morale, discipline and budget for the ARMED FORCES!!! The COAS is NOT more critical than the CDS, the commander of the ARMED FORCES (aka CDS) is more HOLLISTIC in considering the combined forces strategy and operational abilities. The COAS is a commander of AN ARM of the defence forces, he does not have oversight of all Forces (army, Navy, air force - the CDS does) COAS does not command troops, he issues orders to direct reporting units (GOC, Brigade, Battalion) ONCE appoved by the president and Defence HQ which the CDS is part of) Hierachy = Highest - President 2nd DHQ - (CDS, Defence minister, minister of state) 3rd - COAS, CNS, CAS 5 Likes |
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by cogsej06(m): 1:55pm On May 22, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista: Good but do not forget that the CDS is also a FULL general. Therefore the COAS who is a lieutenant general must obey his orders 1 Like |
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