PDPGuy:

Okay

But I still don't get why the Police is under the Ministry of Interior. In most other countries, the police reports to the Ministry of Justice, or Department of Justice in America.

PDPGuy:


Actually, the service chiefs can report to the Acting president because the latter has the full powers of a substantive president until the president himself transmits a letter to the National Assembly indicating that he/she is ready to resume the duties of the office.

stanley59:

no,no when i use the word report i mean command,the Ag president can only command the service chiefs with senate backing...theoretical law (authority) and fiscal law (authority) are very different... they are some stipulations to be fulfilled if the Ag. president wishes to take full control of the Armed forces.

TonyeBarcanista:
My Brother, I think Interior is better that domiciling it in MoJ.

The MoJ is too powerful already in Nigeria settings. Domiciling the Police force in the ministry is more like swelling the powers of the ministry.

I think it being in Interior is cool.

PDPGuy:

Hmm

If you take out the police and prisons from the interior ministry, the ministry is as good as indolent

PDPGuy:


The CIA is only part of a 16-agency strong Intelligence Community. No other agency 'reports' to the CIA and vice versa.

In fact, all the 16 intel agencies report to the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who acts like a coordinator of the intel community.
The office of DNI was created in 2005 due to recommendations of the special 9/11 commission.

Moreover, the US military chain of command, per the Goldwater-Nichols Act, runs from the president - Secretary of Defense - the commanders of the combatant commands (i.e. CENTCOM, SOCOM, Tramsport Command etc).

tdayof:


I hope you know some troops are under the ONSA? the CDS can use them whenever he wants. The men of the Nigerian Armed Forces special Force (AFSF) those guys won't answer to the COAS during emergency.

They're being funded by ONSA.

Whatever order the COAS gives passes through the CDS desk. The COAS reports to the CDS.


cc: Odunayaw

Odunayaw:
I do my best to stay away from threads like this for the Ignorance is contagious

In the Defence food/command chain..The CDS is a boss and whatever have you to the COAS

There is no Ops Internal or External that doesn't get the approval of the CDS first as any break of protocol could lead to a court Marshal

stanley59:

Then educate the ignorant with facts and share opinions rather than ignore them...but first of all i,doubt you know the meaning of internal ops more correctly put as internal affairs......
You claim that CDS commands all and all...then i put this simple question to you ;TO WHOM DOES THE GUARD BRIGADE report to...

bedspread:
U ARE A JOKER..... HAVE U EVER THOUGHT WHY GEJ DIDNT TAKE AWAY GEN. IHEJIRIKA FROM THE COAS POST THROUGH OUT HIS TENURE??

THE CDS MIGHT BE SENIOR IN RANK TO THE COAS BUT THE POST OF THE COAS IS MORE SENSITIVE AND IMPORTANT THAN THE CDS.

TonyeBarcanista:
What about Immigration? Civil Defence?

Oga, Interior ministry is a VERY POWERFUL ministry. No go there.

Alexkene:
Police, Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence, Road Safety

awillabo:
The CDS and the COAS both don't have operational control of the army.


Go get your facts rite. The operational control rest in the brigade commanders and unit commanders...


The CDS is a more superior Officer. He is assited by all other service chiefs.
It is the CDS duty to formulate policies and execute them..

All service chiefs report to the CDS.


The third pic is from nigerias defense ministry website.

ocelot2006:


Sir, Danjuma was MINISTER OF DEFENCE then, not CDS.

TonyeBarcanista:
Administratively, the CDS oversee the activities of the COAS, CAS and CNS. But operationally, the CDS is "just there" while the COAS controls the ground troops and the entire Army.

However, CDS only take charge during "joint" operations, which is rare.
Also, though the CDS has Administrative supervision over the COAS, he CANNOT tell the COAS what to do at any given time. Only the C-in-C enjoy such power. All Service Chiefs brief the C-in-C irrespective of their title.

The COAS by virtue of the control he has, is more powerful and influential within the army than the CDS. The COAS is more dangerous too.

Hence, a C-in-C could make anybody CDS but the COAS is usually a TRUSTED general.

@OP The COAS na him be d koko

stanley59:

we ain't talking about the military chain of command...which btw i have already pointed out rather vaguely if you'd agree ...
please kindly check who gives the final report to the US president on intelligence every working day, who is referred to the chief of national and central intelligence, see if it's the same person.

BlackMbakara1:
Strategically the COAS is the strongest, while CDS administratively is the strongest.

COAS commands more loyalty, whereas CDS commands less...

Dedetwo:


There is nothing like strategically in this picture. CDS is the superior officer and one rank above COAS. COAS can easily be overruled by CDS with or without the support of the Defense Minister. The hierarchy is C-in-C, Defense Minister, CDS and then service chiefs.

AwiLand:


Thank You my brother, the reason why this is not that case now is because CDS is a Yoruba man while COAS is a Fulani Oligarchy

Fourwinds:
U have answered d question with proofs

Nkem4040:


The army is only powerful because we are on land. If we all lived in the ocean or water, I assure you, the Navy will be the ones running the show including plotting coups. Likewise, if we all lived in the air, the Airforce will be in charge.

emerged01:

Just like that?

badoh:
Good day,
kindly enlighten me on the more superior position between Chief of defense staff and Chief of Army staff in the Nigeria settings.
It seems the Chief of Defence staff do not get much public attention compared to the Chief of Army staff .
What are the expected roles of the two Military Chiefs?

2n2k:


Babangida was COAS

AreaFada2:


It is just that the army have chiefly being the coup plotters in 9ja history. By virtue of Army hierarchy in our defense forces and their strategic locations, numbers and weapons they have.

Kaduna Nzeogwu & colleagues, Murtala Mohamed, Dimka, Buhari, IBB, Abacha, John Shagaya, Dongoyaro and others have all been army officers.
So COAS is more sensitive strategically & security wise.

CDS is superior in administrative hierarchy. But 9ja's peculiar system makes it possible to render him somewhat ceremonial depending on the whims & caprices of the C-in-C.

Dedetwo:


There is nothing like strategically in this picture. CDS is the superior officer and one rank above COAS. COAS can easily be overruled by CDS with or without the support of the Defense Minister. The hierarchy is C-in-C, Defense Minister, CDS and then service chiefs.

win2kwire:

Yes, but some corrections

1, Traditionally in Nigeria: Chief of Army staff = COAS (not CAS) - Chief of Air staff = CAS
2, The COAS [s]and CDS do not command troops, the GOCs and Brigade commanders do. [/s]NOT JUST COMMANDS TROOPS BUT ALSO COMMANDS THE GOCs AND BRIGADE COMMANDERS
3, The relationships between the CDS or COAS to the troops depends what loyalties they get directly from the troop commanders!
4, The CDS is a FULL 4 star general while the COAS is a 3 star Lt General. The CDS is by far superior and he can contact the Troop commanders directly if he feels the COAS is compromised! The CDS is the top military uniformed commander in the armed forces. The minister of defence and Minister of state for defence only have political and administrative oversight, although they can issue presidential orders to the CDS and COAS!

tdayof:


I hope you know some troops are under the ONSA? the CDS can use them whenever he wants. The men of the Nigerian Armed Forces special Force (AFSF) those guys won't answer to the COAS during emergency.

They're being funded by ONSA.

Whatever order the COAS gives passes through the CDS desk. The COAS reports to the CDS.


cc: Odunayaw