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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:44am On May 23, 2017
Lana it seems your boy Chris Smalling is heading for the exit.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:49am On May 23, 2017
EmmGee:
Griezman is pretty good. He makes intelligent runs. He can dribble he can score. I like the guy and i think he can make it at any level. Don't let his disappearance in matches against madrid deceive you.
He played 36 league games

Goals 16
Assist 8
Chances created per match 1.6
Dribbles per match 0.7

How is a player with 0.7 dribbles per match a good dribbler?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:52am On May 23, 2017
From stats, Griezmann is the worst dribbler among all A.Madrid forward players.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 9:10am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
You can't compare our team with Barcas own nah.... they have the best attacking trio in the WORLD! At times when the midget starts playing Nonsense, Neymar takes over or Suarez and these guys have proven that they can shine without much needed help from the team, that's why Barca is one of those teams that you always score against but they'll outscore you finally.. Can the same be said of United? Can we come back from 2-0 to 2-4 ?...
I know we can't compare United with Barcelona but that doesn't mean United should be depending on individual performances to win or draw matches.

If Mou really wanna sign Griezmann, then he should prepare to play attacking Football and build the Team around him.

He said if he had Chicharito in his Team, Goals won't have been problem for United.

Can Chicharito dribble, holdup play, or outrun his Marker?! But it's obvious he's a goal Poacher, a reliable Scorer.

What's the difference between Griezmann and Chicharito?! If JM wished to have had the latter in his Team, then he knows what to get from the former.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 9:10am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
Well, if you watch Griezmann play, you'll know that Grizzy doesn't perform well when the team is down, he's not the one you can look to for salvation... checkout that R.Madrid match in UCL (2nd Leg), did you see the way atletico played?, even the goal Grizzy scored was b'cos of Torres and Carrascos e.t.c doggedness... their morale plunged after Iscos goal and as usual no one even grizzy could stage a comeback fight, that's what i mean by relying heavily on team performance.... don't forget bayern vs atletico last year i think, something similar happened but thankfully atletico still qualified...

As for Sanchez, he's career will be like Wengers own if he doesn't find his way out of that Assnal angry
I have my reservations about griezemann but I still think he would be a good addition if he comes.

My grouse with statements like him depending on the team is that why single out griezemann to perform when you're excusing his other team mates who are not performing.

Is football not supposed to be a team sports again or is griezemann not entitled to having an off day on the field sometimes.

He must have don something good to have become the 3rd best.

Cut the guy some slack abeg.

Who is even available sef? Quality of Options in the market will improve WHEN grin we win the EL
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:10am On May 23, 2017
All our forwards and midfielders have a better dribbling rate than Griezmann, except Mata, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Mata, Fellaini and Carrick.

Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Herrera are all ahead of him. Even Valencia and Young are ahead.

Although it is a different team and league, this is a big signal that we should not pay too much for this guy. It is another gamble.

Chelsea bought Diego Costa for £32m

But now we hear a less prolific striker has a release clause of £100m
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 9:11am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
From stats, Griezmann is the worst dribbler among all A.Madrid forward players.
And so? Have we won the league with Pogba' dribbling. Are we looking for an Ikedia in the team or someone who can assist and score?

Is it not crazy that we will be using dribbling as a measure of a players ability to play top flight attacking football. How many times did martial dribble players this season that yielded nothing? That this is even a yardstick for judging Griezmann's ability is pathetic
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:15am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
And so? Have we won the league with Pogba' dribbling. Are we looking for an Ikedia in the team or someone who can assist and score?
Can Griezmann score? He scored 16 league goals in 36 matches. When Rooney scored 17 goals in 20+ matches under Moyes despite playing behind RVP it was deem to be a weak return.

But you are funny. Was it me who started the dribbling analysis. Someone mentioned that dribbling is Griezmann's quality. I only corrected the wrong impression. The guy is not good for even £50m
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 9:21am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
Can Griezmann score? He scored 16 league goals in 36 matches. When Rooney scored 17 goals in 20+ matches under Moyes despite playing behind RVP it was deem to be a weak return.

But you are funny. Was it me who started the dribbling analysis. Someone mentioned that dribbling is Griezmann's quality. I only corrected the wrong impression. The guy is not good for even £50m
Yea right. After Pogba cost almost twice that and is not even a winger or striker. Keep deceiving yourself. Now see who you are comparing Griezmann with.. ROONEY! And he played behind who RVP? In the EPL. Does it make sense drawing comparison between two players from different leagues and at different stages of their career. One has played top flight football for years, knows the league in and out and you want to compare him with Griezmann. You are now grasping at anything regardless of if it is even worth using for comparison to undermine him.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:22am On May 23, 2017

joeace2020

For your info, dribbling is very important. All the players that have cost much recently have very high dribbling rate. Between 2009-2015 such players like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Robben, Suarez, Bale had about 3-5 dribbles per match. Valencia had are during his peak years 2009 and 2011. Same with Di Maria in his peak seasons

If you can't dribble, you can't be rated high. We don't need give me I give you player who will be playing like Mata.

You no know ball.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
Yea right. After Pogba cost almost twice that and is not even a winger or striker. Keep deceiving yourself. Now see who you are comparing Griezmann with.. ROONEY! And he played behind who RVP? In the EPL. Does it make sense drawing comparison between two players from different leagues and at different stages of their career. One has played top flight football for years, knows the league in and out and you want to compare him with Griezmann. You are now grasping at anything regardless of if it is even worth using for comparison to undermine him.
You are not making sense at all. I compared Griezmann with his team mates in Atletico Madrid and he came far behind in dribbling. In scoring he is far behind in Laliga. He has the same goals as midfielders in European leagues despite playing far more matches.

Pogba's game did not drop before we bought him. Pogba was the highest rated midfielder when we bought him. Pogba was also top in Assist in Serie A when we bought him. Pogba is just 23 while Griezmann is 26

Griezmann currently is not among 10 top scorers in the world. He is not among top players in Assist.

Even if we made a mistake with Pogba, are you suggesting we repeat another with Griezmann?

Think
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:39am On May 23, 2017
codedguy1:
I have my reservations about griezemann but I still think he would be a good addition if he comes.

My grouse with statements like him depending on the team is that why single out griezemann to perform when you're excusing his other team mates who are not performing.

Is football not supposed to be a team sports again or is griezemann not entitled to having an off day on the field sometimes.

He must have don something good to have become the 3rd best.

Cut the guy some slack abeg.

Who is even available sef? Quality of Options in the market will improve WHEN grin we win the EL
He's gonn' be a good addition no doubt, but there are little factors that may affect his performance rating and that's exactly what i'm pointing out.... See Pogba for example, he has faced a lot of backlash b'cos of his transfer fee and the 6th issue but everyone has forgotten that Ibrahimovic is the reason Pogba's assist count isn't high enough to avoid critics, that one needs 100 to score 2......
Hopefully, Grizzy is gonn' take care of that situation for us.....

Btw, we go shaa chop better cake after EL match b'cos na sure win cheesy cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07:
LoRdCaT:
Are you Diademk07? He is the only one I know dumb enough to use between in place of "By the way"
I thought I already told you useless poo pusher to have nothing to do with my moniker, not with your leprous infested body abegi!

Read my lips, I'm no gay ass like your foolish self!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 9:49am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:

joeace2020

For your info, dribbling is very important. All the players that have cost much recently have very high dribbling rate. Between 2009-2015 such players like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Robben, Suarez, Bale had about 3-5 dribbles per match. Valencia had are during his peak years 2009 and 2011. Same with Di Maria in his peak seasons

If you can dribble, you can't be rated high. We don't need give me I give you player who will be playing like Mata.

You no know ball.

Elampiro you no know ball. Here's dimaria. See between Madrid and United and tell me how it went

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 9:51am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
You are not making sense at all. I compared Griezmann with his team mates in Atletico Madrid and he came far behind in dribbling. In scoring he is far behind in Laliga. He has the same goals as midfielders in European leagues despite playing far more matches.

Pogba's game did not drop before we bought him. Pogba was the highest rated midfielder when we bought him. Pogba was also top in Assist in Serie A when we bought him. Pogba is just 23 while Griezmann is 26

Griezmann currently is not among 10 top scorers in the world. He is not among top players in Assist.

Even if we made a mistake with Pogba, are you suggesting we repeat another with Griezmann?

Think
OK.. So was Di Maria a mistake?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 9:51am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
He's gonn' be a good addition no doubt, but there are little factors that may affect his performance rating and that's exactly what i'm pointing out.... See Pogba for example, he has faced a lot of backlash b'cos of his transfer fee and the 6th issue but everyone has forgotten that Ibrahimovic is the reason Pogba's assist count isn't high enough to avoid critics, that one needs 100 to score 2......
Hopefully, Grizzy is gonn' take care of that situation for us.....

Btw, we go shaa chop better cake after EL match b'cos na sure win cheesy cheesy
WHEN grin we win the EL na for arsenal thread I go celebrate grin

Players are not exactly responsible for their price tags, there are many factors that determines that. I understand those that say his price might not worth it but for me its what he brings to the field is what am concerned about, after all I can't influence the price, na wetin I wan see for field be my problem.

Now to use his price to now evaluate his contribution s to the team will be seen when or if he comes.

Nobody blames pogba for those balls he gives to baba zlatan that he misses, tgats what we expect from him. pogbas criticisms are more of his lazy play and his somewhat lack of urgency, trying to guard the ball instead doing a simple pass, showboating.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 9:54am On May 23, 2017
EmmGee:
So I still have hope cheesy
Lmao!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 9:56am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
Are you saying we should rely on Rashford to lead the Attack next Season, or we should renew the Contract of Ibrahimovic?!

It's hard to get standard Strikers in the Transfers Market these Days, hence we should grab any Opportunity that comes our Way.



Even Barcelona Players rely heavily on Team performance to shine. If all we need to bring the best out of him is Team Performance, I think the Problem is half-solved already.



Bro..... the bold part is all we are asking for! We need a proven Goal Scorer and I think Griezman is one of the Answers.



grin


Why would he troll us?! Lol!

I know you are simply joking with the number!
He's a SS though, not a striker.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:58am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
I know we can't compare United with Barcelona but that doesn't mean United should be depending on individual performances to win or draw matches.

If Mou really wanna sign Griezmann, then he should prepare to play attacking Football and build the Team around him.

He said if he had Chicharito in his Team, Goals won't have been problem for United.

Can Chicharito dribble, holdup play, or outrun his Marker?! But it's obvious he's a goal Poacher, a reliable Scorer.

What's the difference between Griezmann and Chicharito?! If JM wished to have had the latter in his Team, then he knows what to get from the former.
You shouldn't said draw nah sad, we've drawn enough sad, What we need now are individuals that'll help us win matches.... it's meant to be a team game, i know but in every top team, there's a player or two that takes them the extra mile in order for them to be champions... Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Dybala e.t.c Grizzy doesn't fit that player from my point of view.... Last Season, that player was Martial but now he has plunged too.....

Btw, those bastards have bombed Manchester ooo angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:01am On May 23, 2017
PattyCake:
Smelling up for sale...Finally.
Lmao!

I guess Tess1 has finally abandoned Smalling.. I hardly see him defend him these days except for the alleged creative turned workhorse Herrera.. Let's see how long it last!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pharod(m): 10:05am On May 23, 2017
If we play the kind of footie we played at the beginning of the season, with Griezmann, we would have had a lot more goals because we were creating a lot of chances but scoring very few. Griezmann will thrive in such an attacking setup.

But if we are to continue with this defensive, bus packing approach, e no go work at all.

I wish Mourinho is a nairalander, I would have suggested a few names.
Like Sporting Lisbon's Gelson Martins. The guy is too good. He will make Lingard disappear from that right side...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:10am On May 23, 2017
pharod:
If we play the kind of footie we played at the beginning of the season, with Griezmann, we would have had a lot more goals because we were creating a lot of chances but scoring very few. Griezmann will thrive in such an attacking setup.

But if we are to continue with this defensive, bus packing approach, e no go work at all.

I wish Mourinho is a nairalander, I would have suggested a few names.
Like Sporting Lisbon's Gelson Martins. The guy is too good. He will make Lingard disappear from that right side...
Ibra made all those chances happen in the first place. his linkup play, hold up play and vision are unparallel in the team
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:10am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
Elampiro you no know ball. Here's dimaria. See between Madrid and United and tell me how it went
At Madrid and Manchester United, Di Maria was substituted in almost every game. He was substituted more in United. His dribble per match (per 90 minutes) did not change.

Di Maria was very good at United until Van Gaal changed his position where he excelled on his arrival.

Despite his not so much game time, Di Maria still finished with 10 Assist in 1645 minutes "that's half of the time Griezman played this season that he had 8 Assists.

In 2014/2015 EPL season, Di Maria came second in Assists/minutes played for players playing more than 400 minutes.

Fabregas 160.6 minutes per Assist
Di Maria 164.5 minutes per Assists

That was the season Fabregas was crowned king of Assists.

If Di Maria with so much dribbling skills struggled in EPL, then Griezmann would just be a waste.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:14am On May 23, 2017
Diademk07:
He's a SS though, not a striker.
grin

Is he a goal Scorer or Not?!

Can he play as a 9 or false 9 or not?!

Can we depend on him to lead the Attack as a lone Striker or not?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:16am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
OK.. So was Di Maria a mistake?
Di Maria was not a mistake. Even for £56m he people still complained he was too expensive. He was not properly used.

But Griezmann's case is different. We want to buy him to score goals but he is not in scoring form and cannot go past a man.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:16am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
You shouldn't said draw nah sad, we've drawn enough sad, What we need now are individuals that'll help us win matches.... it's meant to be a team game, i know but in every top team, there's a player or two that takes them the extra mile in order for them to be champions... Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Dybala e.t.c Grizzy doesn't fit that player from my point of view.... Last Season, that player was Martial but now he has plunged too.....

Btw, those bastards have bombed Manchester ooo angry
grin


Are you saying Dybala is better than Griezmann?!

You include Dybala in the Class of Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar?

Are you a Weedtaker or Funlord..... cos it's either you are high on weed or just making Fun?!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:19am On May 23, 2017
We should be aiming for strikers who score 20 goals plus every season. Griezmann is a gamble.

Just look at Kane in Tottenham season after season. Look at Aubameyang

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 10:19am On May 23, 2017
Very sad news about the terror attack in Manchester at a concert aimed at teens. Thoughts with the families of those affected.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 10:21am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
We should be aiming for strikers who score 20 goals plus every season. Griezmann is a gamble.

Just look at Kane in Tottenham season after season. Look at Aubameyang
Aubameyang would be perfect but highly unlikely.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:21am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
grin

Is he a goal Scorer or Not?!

Can he play as a 9 or false 9 or not?!

Can we depend on him to lead the Attack as a lone Striker or not?
He's a player who depends on another striker to lead the line, he can't do it alone.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:23am On May 23, 2017
Diademk07:
He's a player who depends on another striker to lead the line, he can't do it alone.
grin

I asked 3 Questions Dude.... don't just answer one pls!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:24am On May 23, 2017
And there is a striker that has proven himself again. Why not put the money on him? Aubameyang

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