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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:26am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
Yea right. After Pogba cost almost twice that and is not even a winger or striker. Keep deceiving yourself. Now see who you are comparing Griezmann with.. ROONEY! And he played behind who RVP? In the EPL. Does it make sense drawing comparison between two players from different leagues and at different stages of their career. One has played top flight football for years, knows the league in and out and you want to compare him with Griezmann. You are now grasping at anything regardless of if it is even worth using for comparison to undermine him.
Pogba was a mistake we shouldn't make again. Not talking about the player but the transfer fee.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:28am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
grin

I asked 3 Questions Dude.... don't just answer one pls!
It answered all. He's not a false 9 but a SS and he depends on a striker leading the line in front of him to take away some attention from himself. You simply can't have him dealing with an opposition defence all alone.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:28am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
Bro..... the bold part is all we are asking for! We need a proven Goal Scorer and I think Griezman is one of the Answers.
How is Griezmann a proven striker? 16 goals in 36 matches proven?

The same number of goals with j.King of Bournemouth and Defoe of relegated Sunderland. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:31am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
I know we can't compare United with Barcelona but that doesn't mean United should be depending on individual performances to win or draw matches.

If Mou really wanna sign Griezmann, then he should prepare to play attacking Football and build the Team around him.

He said if he had Chicharito in his Team, Goals won't have been problem for United.

Can Chicharito dribble, holdup play, or outrun his Marker?! But it's obvious he's a goal Poacher, a reliable Scorer.

What's the difference between Griezmann and Chicharito?! If JM wished to have had the latter in his Team, then he knows what to get from the former.
Griezmann will not play as a striker but behind the striker. He would be very much involved more in the play and not the final ball. Unless we have a striker intelligent enough to hold up play and watch the runs of Griezmann
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:36am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
How is Griezmann a proven striker? 16 goals in 36 matches proven?

The same number of goals with j.King of Bournemouth and Defoe of relegated Sunderland. grin
grin

I know whoever you do not like or want is in trouble!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Funlord2(m): 10:37am On May 23, 2017
Griezmann has scored double figures every season since he joined Athletico in the 2014/15 season! He has so far scored 83 goals in 183 appearances for them! He has 15 goals in the champions league so far while playing for a defensive side with scarce resources!


If you ask them what rooney has been doing since the same 2014/15 season they would start coughing blood! This was how most of you hated on zlatan and cried over his fees before he came and cello taped your mouths shut with goals!


1: aubameyang has said it is real madrid for life?

2: Mbappe has said nobody can yarn him as e go be and that he wants to be guaranteed number one striker status on any teams sheet till after the world cup?

3: Bayern chiefs would back hand any agent that even attempts to ask for Lewandowski phone number?

4: The day we sign harry Kane this summer is the same day the middle east crisis will automatically end!

5: since you guys are patriotic nigerians and don't want to spend any money Ahmed musa is available for £15m..and he can dribble!


Abeg I no get time for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over dribbles and sqawka abi na swagga stats when I have eyes and a brain! Get behind your _fucking team and allow jose develop his vision for next season!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:38am On May 23, 2017
eph12:
Griezmann will not play as a striker but behind the striker. He would be very much involved more in the play and not the final ball. Unless we have a striker intelligent enough to hold up play and watch the runs of Griezmann
Nice Point though, but you think United want to sign Griezmann as a SS?!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:42am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
grin

I know whoever you do not like or want is in trouble!
The truth is I feel he is a gamble. He might come in and prove me wrong. But from what is on ground, we should look for another. The worst is that he doesn't have the pace to burst forward like Rashford. All the chances we couldn't make something out of due to lack of pace of Ibrahimovic might still be the same story. A through ball that should be one vs one would amount to nothing because a pacing defender recovered.

Griezmann problem actually started from Euro 2016 final. He could have won it for France but he missed glaring chances. He has even regress from that tournament.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:42am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
Nice Point though, but you think United want to sign Griezmann as a SS?!
It's not what I think, it's his best position and where he can deliver best. If Jose wants to try to change his style I wish him all the best but at 27 I don't see how that is going to work out. We will end up chasing shadows till it's too late next season m
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:43am On May 23, 2017
Funlord2:
Griezmann has scored double figures every season since he joined Athletico in the 2014/15 season! He has so far scored 83 goals in 183 appearances for them! He has 15 goals in the champions league so far while playing for a defensive side with scarce resources!


If you ask them what rooney has been doing since the same 2014/15 season they would start coughing blood! This was how most of you hated on zlatan and cried over his fees before he came and cello taped your mouths shut with goals!


1: aubameyang has said it is real madrid for life?

2: Mbappe has said nobody can yarn him as e go be and that he wants to be guaranteed number one striker status on any teams sheet till after the world cup?

3: Bayern chiefs would back hand any agent that even attempts to ask for Lewandowski phone number?

4: The day we sign harry Kane this summer is the same day the middle east crisis will automatically end!

5: since you guys are patriotic nigerians and don't want to spend any money Ahmed musa is available for £15m..and he can dribble!


Abeg I no get time for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over dribbles and sqawka abi na swagga stats when I have eyes and a brain! Get behind your _fucking team and allow jose develop his vision for next season!
Please give us only league goals. Double figure my foot. You added cup matches, local cup matches.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Funlord2(m): 10:48am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
Please give us only league goals. Double figure my foot. You added cup matches, local cup matches.
You want league goals? Here are his league goals...IN LA LIGA ONLY! Your foot has lied to you once again my boy...


1: 2014/15....37 appearances 22 goals

2: 2015/16.....38 appearances 22 goals

3:2016/17.....36 appearances 16 goals


Compare them with the numbers of any of your beloved strikers that have led the line for united since 2014/15...dont even try to add ZLATAN!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 10:51am On May 23, 2017
So no one has read about the Terror attack in Manchester last night?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 10:53am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
At Madrid and Manchester United, Di Maria was substituted in almost every game. He was substituted more in United. His dribble per match (per 90 minutes) did not change.

Di Maria was very good at United until Van Gaal changed his position where he excelled on his arrival.

Despite his not so much game time, Di Maria still finished with 10 Assist in 1645 minutes "that's half of the time Griezman played this season that he had 8 Assists.

In 2014/2015 EPL season, Di Maria came second in Assists/minutes played for players playing more than 400 minutes.

Fabregas 160.6 minutes per Assist
Di Maria 164.5 minutes per Assists

That was the season Fabregas was crowned king of Assists.

If Di Maria with so much dribbling skills struggled in EPL, then Griezmann would just be a waste.
You can manouvere it all you want. But the fact remain that dribbling doesnt win you jack in the BPL, goals do. All your dribbling is nought if you cannot rack atleast 20+ goals a season. Greizmann has done it the last season and the one before and his 16 this season is 4 shy off. In a two horse league, that is great. Not forgetting his been the top league scorer for athletico in a far from good season. Dimaria with all this dribbling didn't cut it in united. Ran away like a pussy and all you can give is the LVG excuse.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58am On May 23, 2017
Funlord2:
You want league goals? Here are his league goals...IN LA LIGA ONLY!


1: 2014/15....37 appearances 22 goals

2: 2015/16.....38 appearances 22 goals

3:2016/17.....36 appearances 16 goals


Compare them with the numbers of any of your beloved strikers that have led the line for united since 2014/15...dont even try to add ZLATAN!
1. 22 goals in a league where top scorers score 30 to 40 goals every season.

2. 16 goals this season. He has declined already.

3. Diego Costa scored 27 league goals before joining Chelsea, but could only reach 20 in the EPL.

4.Zlatan scored 38 league goals before coming to EPL. He highest ever. Now he can't score 20. You want us to take 16 goals striker. Do you just love his looks or his name (Griezmann) or anything to improve on what we have?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58am On May 23, 2017
larride:
So no one has read about the Terror attack in Manchester last night?
I saw it last night
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:01am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
The truth is I feel he is a gamble. He might come in and prove me wrong. But from what is on ground, we should look for another. The worst is that he doesn't have the pace to burst forward like Rashford. All the chances we couldn't make something out of due to lack of pace of Ibrahimovic might still be the same story. A through ball that should be one vs one would amount to nothing because a pacing defender recovered.

Griezmann problem actually started from Euro 2016 final. He could have won it for France but he missed glaring chances. He has even regress from that tournament.
Do you think we can just bully any Club or Player with Money?! What about if the Club is not selling the Target or the Target refuses to sign for us?!

You and I want the best for United, getting a Player like Griezmann isn't a downfall for the Club. We need to consider the Players' availability and Clubs' Transfers Policy.

Why can we buy Messi, Neymar or Suarez from Barcelona?, or perhaps we should bring back Ronaldo from Real Madrid.

How are you so sure Dortmund would sell Auba to us or the Player himself would prefer coming to United?!

No one is saying Griezmann is a Messiah, but he's one of the best you could get and be proud of!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 11:02am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
The truth is I feel he is a gamble. He might come in and prove me wrong. But from what is on ground, we should look for another. The worst is that he doesn't have the pace to burst forward like Rashford. All the chances we couldn't make something out of due to lack of pace of Ibrahimovic might still be the same story. A through ball that should be one vs one would amount to nothing because a pacing defender recovered.

Griezmann problem actually started from Euro 2016 final. He could have won it for France but he missed glaring chances. He has even regress from that tournament.
Please name the others we should be looking for?

Let's even have an idea who you think is ideal for that position.

Realistically.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:02am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
grin


Are you saying Dybala is better than Griezmann?!

You include Dybala in the Class of Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar?

Are you a Weedtaker or Funlord..... cos it's either you are high on weed or just making Fun?!
See Oasis, don't vex me oo angry angry ..... I said he's a player that takes his team the extra mile!!!!!! Something Griezmann lacks!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:04am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
1. 22 goals in a league where top scorers score 30 to 40 goals every season.

2. 16 goals this season. He has declined already.

3. Diego Costa scored 27 league goals before joining Chelsea, but could only reach 20 in the EPL.

4.Zlatan scored 38 league goals before coming to EPL. He highest ever. Now he can't score 20. You want us to take 16 goals striker. Do you just love his looks or his name (Griezmann) or anything to improve on what we have?
You are back to this shape shifting tendencies. You said he didn't have double figures, now it's a league where people score 30. Why not focus on Laliga and tell me the players of Sevilla, Valencia and the other teams besides athletico that have been scoring anything near the guys from Barca and Madrid. While you are at, tell us if it would be preferable we go for those guys if you find any or we just sshit on everybodies face like we always do by bidding for Laligas well know 30+ goals strikers.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:05am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
See Oasis, don't vex me oo angry angry ..... I said he's a player that takes his team the extra mile!!!!!! Something Griezmann lacks!
This isn't extramile enough abi?

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:06am On May 23, 2017
GloryIsaac:
See Oasis, don't vex me oo angry angry ..... I said he's a player that takes his team the extra mile!!!!!! Something Griezmann lacks!
grin

Griezmann is playing as a SS for Atletico Madrid, yet he outscored the Striker(s) in the Team.

If he's not carrying the Team, then what is he doing? Kicking it's Yansh!

No Vex Bro.... LOL!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:06am On May 23, 2017
joeace2020:
You can manouvere it all you want. But the fact remain that dribbling doesnt win you jack in the BPL, goals do. All your dribbling is nought if you cannot rack atleast 20+ goals a season. Greizmann has done it the last season and the one before and his 16 this season is 4 shy off. In a two horse league, that is great. Not forgetting his been the top league scorer for athletico in a far from good season. Dimaria with all this dribbling didn't cut it in united. Ran away like a pussy and all you can give is the LVG excuse.
You argument is highly flawed.

Firstly, I never said dribbling win you games. I said you should tell me top footballers with high price tag without dribbling skills.

Secondly, goals win you league as you said. But Griezmann is not a great scorer. Is it 16 goals that will win us league?

3. Thirdly, Atletico team is better than ours. They finished third in their league. If you say they play defensive game, are we not worse? If not for Rashford fast legs we wont even go forward.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:10am On May 23, 2017
codedguy1:
Please name the others we should be looking for?

Let's even have an idea who you think is ideal for that position.

Realistically.
I will be back with a list later.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:10am On May 23, 2017
grin

I had to watch a Clip of Griezmann to confirm his lack of Pace and dribbling Skill, but I was disappointed, coz he doesn't lack any of the two Qualities.

Elampiro claimed Griezmann is declining, yet he won the Euro 2016 Golden Boot as a SS.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 11:11am On May 23, 2017
eph12:
Griezmann will not play as a striker but behind the striker. He would be very much involved more in the play and not the final ball. Unless we have a striker intelligent enough to hold up play and watch the runs of Griezmann
Can Rashford do the hold-up play? cos Griezmann thrive best when playing with a striker/target man in front of him as can be seen with Fernando Torres in Athletico Madrid and Oliver Giroud in the French national team.

if Rashford can't act as a target man, then if we buy Griezmann, we might still have to buy another striker to play as a target man.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 11:12am On May 23, 2017
My thoughts are with the victims of this cowardly act and their families. These are just criminals and sociopaths masquerading as activists and what makes the situation even worse is that around the world you have intelligent people who will defend such wickedness because of faith.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:13am On May 23, 2017
eph12:
Pogba was a mistake we shouldn't make again. Not talking about the player but the transfer fee.
I would have supported the fee if it was Griezmann. someone who's general contribution to attack will be more direct and will probably score goals too. And no time for fanciful flicks and off pitch shenanigans with hair styles and emojis. But Pogba transfer will now make all our expensive transfers suspect.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 11:13am On May 23, 2017
elampiro:
I will be back with a list later.
OK, we dey wait.

That's why I like elamps him ready die with him convictions.
grin grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 11:15am On May 23, 2017
I think Elampiro isn't being fair to Griezmann,although I understand his fears about us buying Griezmann, but he's using one season to judge Griezmann and that's not fair.

look at the season Griezmann made the Ballon D'or 3rd position. he posted good performance and deserving of that position. it's can be argue that he should have even come 2nd sef


all in all, I'm still not sold on this Griezmann transfer, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:17am On May 23, 2017
Oasis007:
Do you think we can just bully any Club or Player with Money?! What about if the Club is not selling the Target or the Target refuses to sign for us?!

You and I want the best for United, getting a Player like Griezmann isn't a downfall for the Club. We need to consider the Players' availability and Clubs' Transfers Policy.

Why can we buy Messi, Neymar or Suarez from Barcelona?, or perhaps we should bring back Ronaldo from Real Madrid.

How are you so sure Dortmund would sell Auba to us or the Player himself would prefer coming to United?!

No one is saying Griezmann is a Messiah, but he's one of the best you could get and be proud of!
I would rather play Rashford and develope him instead of buying a 16 league goal striker for £70m or more. We can back him up with a striker like Vardy.

I still see names of strikers that scored 25 goals in some other leagues. Why always we?

Did A. Madrid cough £100m for Falcao? Costa? Greizmann?

Did Spur cough £100m for Kane?

Did Chelsea cough £100m for Costa

Did Bayern cough £100m for highly proven Lewandowsky?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:18am On May 23, 2017
codedguy1:
WHEN grin we win the EL na for arsenal thread I go celebrate grin

Players are not exactly responsible for their price tags, there are many factors that determines that. I understand those that say his price might not worth it but for me its what he brings to the field is what am concerned about, after all I can't influence the price, na wetin I wan see for field be my problem.

Now to use his price to now evaluate his contribution s to the team will be seen when or if he comes.

Nobody blames pogba for those balls he gives to baba zlatan that he misses, tgats what we expect from him. pogbas criticisms are more of his lazy play and his somewhat lack of urgency, trying to guard the ball instead doing a simple pass, showboating.
The party go hold for their thread sure grin grin ....

As for this griezmann, i no trust am, we are going for a gamble and the odds aren't in our favour...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Funlord2(m):
elampiro:
22 goals in a league where top scorers score 30 to 40 goals every season.

16 goals this season. He has declined already.


Zlatan scored 38 league goals before coming to EPL. He highest ever. Now he can't score 20. You want us to take 16 goals striker. Do you just love his looks or his name (Griezmann) or anything to improve on what we have?
This Is not a valid argument! I knew after you saw those figures you would start stammering or trying to change lane! So one season with lesser goals but still double figures means a decline to you? Okay how come he had more goals in the champions league this season than he had in the seasons when he scored 22 goals in the league? Or that means he also declined in europe according to your logic?


How many people score the amount of goals that ronaldo and messi score? How many players are surrounded by teammates that have the quality that barca have that ensures that suarez and messi get at least 25 a season? How many goals did mbappe score in the french league that makes clubs now want tbuy him for £100m?


Your man that we are paying 300k per week and that is a guaranteed starter...How many has he scored since 2014? You can't answer? Griezmanns numbers show that he is definitely going to be an improvement on the misfiring forwards we currently parade as strikers! Add one or 2 more quality players like grizzy and where do you think we may be next season! Abeg stop using intangibles like what, who, why,how and when if you are discussing football! Your name is elampiro not nostradamus!

A man that leads the line for a footballing juggernaut like france is who is declining? A man short listed for the golden ball is who you are doubting? A man that won player of the tournament in the last euros is who who think united should ignore? A man real even with the rivalry wants? A man that has scored some of the best goals in la Liga and the champions league this season is who you don't want to see at united? But they should renew rooneys contract I guess? My guy go chop eba make you sleep small! Grizzy is coming to man united! If you don't like it stop watching the games and I go dey gist you as him dey play next season for nairaland!
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