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IamaNigerianGuy:
He did not put a call across to ask which drugs to administer. He called his senior colleagues to discuss management options in a complicated case. There is a big difference. This is acceptable practice everywhere in the world.

From his description of the case, the woman had SIRS (sepsis). Death commonly follows this condition even in the best equipped medical centers in the world.
So get your facts straight.

Airforce1:
If he's qualified, why put a call across a colleague on what drug to give a patient in critical condition?

SalamRushdie:
I am still wondering what the Doctor could have done better with the way she arrived because he gave her all the right antibiotics (I am not to sure of the pcm IV he administered though) ..She had gone fully septic and the only solution there was to slow down her heart beat significantly, thin up the blood ,induce coma and hook her up to a dialysis machine to aid the kidney while antibiotics are being administered and I would also administer intravenous charcoal (very radical rough approach but her case was bad )

almarthins:
Look Here! The ghost was right. The doctor did his best but it wasn't enough. The man didn't tell us that she wasn't d only patient he was attending too. And u r defend what u don't know.

ziga:
Doctors do not determine life or death.

You sound like you know some things about medicine, but I can tell that you are clueless about medicine.

Sepsis is a very serious medical issue that in most advanced cases, even in the most developed countries leads to death.

From what the OP described, the patient would most likely have died even with the most advanced medical institutions.

In medicine, doctors only create the best opportunity for the body to heal itself. If the damage is gone too far and the body can't recover, even life support won't save you.

One of big reason why mortality rates for simple medical issues are so high in Nigeria is that people don't seek help until their problem is advanced.

Saeed348:
PCM is still the safest, Sepsis with possibly DIC
PCM is tolerable at therapeutic dose

frenchwine:
Brother, it has been said here time and again, yet you insist on becoming obstinate. They all went easy on you hence your growing audacity on this thread.
Sadly i'm not half as nice and don't mince my words.
You my friend are a mor0n, a riff raff who can't string a few words together to make music yet you come here to push stuff with intellectuals. Take a seat broh, if you feel pained about her death, sue the 'incompetent' doctor and let's see how that goes for your battered ego.
With all my years in medical practise, I still call my superiors to get their input on some dicey cases, not because I don't know what to do, but because for legal sake I have to document that I have spoken to my superior on the case. Take a seat broh, you should be hoping from one street show to another seeking relevance, not arguing with those whose IQ double yours.

Tonnero23:
From what I am sensing in my spirit as I read this piece, I can assume that the woman knows the doctor spiritual capacity and that was why she said the doctor should not allow her to die. Also, the doctor said he prayed in tongues when he encountered the ghost, if truly you were baptised in the HolyGhost by evidence of speaking in the heavenly language, why not use that weapon when medicine was failing you. The HolyGhost was not just to aid you to speak in tongues only, He also teaches and show you what to do in this kind of situation. Lesson for another time doctor, a Christian doctor with the HolyGhost should truly be a solution sir

IamaNigerianGuy:
Here you go again. You evidently cannot read and comprehend a simple article.
I asked before: must you comment ? Where is it stated or implied that the author is not a qualified doctor ?
I'm out of here.

SalamRushdie:
I am still wondering what the Doctor could have done better with the way she arrived because he gave her all the right antibiotics (I am not to sure of the pcm IV he administered though) ..She had gone fully septic and the only solution there was to slow down her heart beat significantly, thin up the blood ,induce coma and hook her up to a dialysis machine to aid the kidney while antibiotics are being administered and I would also administer intravenous charcoal (very radical rough approach but her case was bad )

ziga:
Doctors do not determine life or death.

You sound like you know some things about medicine, but I can tell that you are clueless about medicine.

Sepsis is a very serious medical issue that in most advanced cases, even in the most developed countries leads to death.

From what the OP described, the patient would most likely have died even with the most advanced medical institutions.

In medicine, doctors only create the best opportunity for the body to heal itself. If the damage is gone too far and the body can't recover, even life support won't save you.

One of big reason why mortality rates for simple medical issues are so high in Nigeria is that people don't seek help until their problem is advanced.

kelly72:
I have an acquaintance who was a brilliant medical doctor in Nigeria. Between FMC Owerri, LASUTH Ikeja and a couple other places, he practised 6 years and left Nigeria for England. 5 years later he moved to Australia where he is now a first rate physician. This guy scares me to death.

He told me that all through his practise in Nigeria, he discovered that Nigerian medical doctors including himself were like a blind man looking for a needle in a hay sack. He said the best qualified medical doctor in Nigeria is as best useless. Why? According to him, without medical facilities and modern functional equipment, the doctor is useless, it is not his/her fault.

For a long time I was suffering ulcer.I had serious internal heat and I was wondering what was wrong with me. Then chest pain set in, serious pains inside my ribs, severe headache and constant ringing in my right ears, all sorts. All of this while I was intermittently seeing doctors and would be given a few pills and told to get some rest, its not that bad, but I was dying. then one midnight, I just came out of the toilet when I collapsed. That was October 2015.

The search for healing took me to about 8 hospitals including Ancilla, General hospital Agege, LASUTH, LUTH, ST. Nicholas and a few other privates where I met countless doctors, consultants etc. I have a huge library of lab test results, scan results and other inquiries touching nearly everything, many of which were repeated as many times as I met a new doctor. Each time I left the hospital worse than I came. My total expense was already inching towards N700,000 but nothing was coming forth.

What I noticed about the doctors I met especially at the government hospitals was that, perhaps because the crowd is usually much, and maybe because there isnt much pay in it, plus poor training as well, they do not seem to pay enough attention to the patient's complaints. And, to a large extent, they have no answer if your case is a bit worrisome. A doctor once referred me to a consultant. In the referral note, he put my age at 66 eventhough 45 was on my card and I confirmed my age when I met him. He also wrote one other thing wrong in the leter and the consultant was irate. "What is wrong with these young doctors? She roared.

When no healing was coming forward inspite of heavy expenses on medicines eventhough my house was looking like a pharmacy, I contacted my Australia guy and explained everything. First, he told me those first things I wrote in the first paragraph. He told me I was unlikely to get help from any doctor in Nigeria because one, a doctor without efficient investigative equipment is a time waster, two, Nigerian doctors are ill trained, three, they are so commercially oriented that your troubles are secondary to them. He told me he was in the system too.
Then the clincher;

"You will die if you do not move quickly to Ghana or india, at least the two nearer and cheaper places" Looking at me, I was already drained financially, more symptoms had joined - heart palpitations and anxiety, I was virtually living on lexotan day and night. I stopped every medication, no more doctor, just waiting for the hour since I did not have the dollars even for Ghana. Eventually I began to study my own body.

I examined what I was eating especially and over time saw it had a hand in my problem. Then he called me and asked me to take pictures of all my scan results and lab tests and send to him. I did quickly. First, he told me that all the ECG markings were very bad, that the machine that sprinted them must have been 50 yrs old. He condemned all the CT scan results as poor, the Ecocardiogram pictures meant nothing and cannot be relied on, chest x rays was also not good. He condemned all lab results for inquiring wrongly and said the reports were largely amateur.

He said where he worked for instance, one of the many heart exams they do is to bring the patient and keep him around. Once he starts having that pain then the machines are fixed on him and he is asked to run on threadmill. This way his problem is detected in less than 5 minutes and they will then attack either by way of simple surgery or medication and the patient is well shortly.

He asked me to find any lab where there is at least semblance of modernity and repeat only the ECG. I did at MECURE and sent him pictures of the markings. He later told me there is no problem with my heart and that I should not surrender to any heart examination in Nigeria again. Then he asked me to find a pharmacist and let them both speak on phone. I found an elderly one at Ogba and downloaded my story so far to him. Hmm.. he said. "This is daunting, but not insurmountable, so far you need to be careful with doctors, they will be using you for experiment"

He told me there was no need to speak to my Australia doctor yet. He wrote out some drugs, mostly mixed and some syrups and asked me to go take them for two weeks and report o him. After the fourth day, I could sleep up to 4 hours at night, a rarity for two years. Then slight improvement continued. I dropped vicks inhaler, dropped ventolin inhaler, required less of lexotan, no longer almost collapsing in a crowd especially church (countless times I left church 20 minutes after arriving there), my chest was no longer about to explode and a few more.

Then I went back to him and got another set of drugs that I am taking now. He told me I had chest and lung infection, the ulcer is there and also need to see an ENT for the ringing in ears. When he asked that I do HIV test, well I brought in 6 different results of HIV test I did between December 2016 till date, all negative. Each new doctor ordered a fresh set of tests.

So, I am able to write this long contribution because a pharmacist seemed to diagnose me better and has gone for the problem. I complained of severe chest pain, pains inside my ribs, difficulty breathing, occasional phlegm inside my throat, headache, dizziness, heart palpitation and anxiety. Doctors were lost and instead tossed me from person to person for two years.

That is my story. I have a feeling that the pharmacist will get all of it out. I told my guy in Australia what is happening and he yet doesnt believe anyone has that medical knowledge, patience and honesty to help me. All what I have spent since I went to that pharmacy one month ago is N6,700. Compare this to the nearly N700,000 I was made to waste on meaningless tests and expensive drugs, Some cost me N15,000 weekly.

IamaNigerianGuy:
You are listening to this quack.

Intravenous charcoal for sepsis !! Not intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG)

I'm sure he googled this rubbish somewhere. (He wants to dialyze the patient at the same time mind you, while he is administering a toxin)
So Dr Salman, how do you intend to treat the possible DIC, thrombus formation and possible renal failure that will arise from your treatment ?

bigfrancis21:
First, that is proof that there is life after death and the soul survives the body after death. Second, that wasn't her 'ghost' you saw. That was her spirit or soul trying to come to terms with her sudden death. Ghosts are more like long-dead spirits that have refused to cross over into the afterlife after their death and have remained stuck on the earth plane. Third, there was no need to even fear in the first place because spirits can't harm you especially if they were good people while alive. This is really where good knowledge of the afterlife comes in. Upon dying, there's usually a very bright light (the phrase, light at the end of the tunnel comes from this) coming through a 'circular' tunnel which every soul sees and is supposed to move towards but for some reason some souls, sensing that could be the 'heaven' they've heard of on earth, choose not to move into the light for different reasons (such as 'I lived a bad life on earth, that's heaven if I enter there i'll encounter 'harsh' judgment so I better hang around on this earth plane for now', or 'I didn't repent before I died that means I'm going to hell if I enter that light and encounter my judgment', or some that were over-addicted to worldly pleasures such as drinking, smoking, sex, etc. (doing things with moderation is the key here) and were unable to overcome it before death came visiting to the extent that such desires penetrated into their souls and after death their souls still crave for earthly pleasures, so they choose to hang around on the earth plane to look for mortals still in the flesh to use their bodies momentarily to keep satisfying those cravings etc.). Seeing that she was praying before her death, I would tell immediately that she had some level of understanding of the afterlife and upon seeing her 'spirit' you would tell her all is well, her children will be ok and she should move into the bright light that she sees. Sometimes, people die so suddenly that for the first few moments after death they are surprised at what happened and are trying to come to terms with what happened, especially those who never gave any thought to what happens after death while they were alive but were busy chasing after material things. Some wonder why they can talk or see people but others cannot see or hear them. It's confusing to many. A good example would be the 9/11 terrorist attack in NY where over 2,600 people lost their lives. Majority of the people that died were in the twin towers when suddenly they heard a very loud noise and everywhere blacked out, then suddenly they could see what was going on around them but couldn't understand what had just happened to them (sudden death). Excavators or workers at the site of the twin towers reported that they often saw 'black masses' or 'shadows' hovering around the site when they were working on finding any human remains so the owner could be identified through DNA testing. These masses were the souls of the dead still unable to grasp what had just happened. Then they also reported seeing the spirit of a woman with dress style of the 1940s serving 'sandwiches'. She's said to be a 'soul collector' sent to gather or redirect majority of these souls who were confused into the light. For majority of people dying, they often believe in the afterlife or some sort of place after death and they cross over successfully. Unfortunately, some souls get stuck in-between.


https://www.nairaland.com/3805698/what-must-know-before-die

carzola:
Half baked doctor..
That had to call
His senior colleagues
First before treating
An emergency victim..


Obviously her blood
Is on your head that's
Why she cant live you

Lol
OP pls ignore this person, too many children on Nairaland

I will advice you visit her
Family and see how you an help her
Kids..

SalamRushdie:
The case was already a lost cause so[b]something radical[/b] was the only chance she stood .. First she was suffering from toxins that was released from the infected surgical wound so her antibiotic wasn't going to solve anything there ...The solution will be to slow down the the transport of the toxins before they send her into shock and try to mop up toxin as much as we can and the only way will be to use i[b]intravenous charcoal[/b] ...he kidneys had gone into over drive already and that why I suggested her being hooked up a dialysis to take the pressure of the kidneys for while ....İ suggested she be put in an induced coma to slow down heart rate and brain activity thereby halting the any chance of her going into a septic shock . I know what I am saying o

carzola:
Half baked doctor..
That had to call
His senior colleagues
First before treating
An emergency victim..


Obviously her blood
Is on your head that's
Why she cant live you

Lol
OP pls ignore this person, too many children on Nairaland

I will advice you visit her
Family and see how you an help her
Kids..

ade712:
I think you are very correct. The doctor has special spiritual abilities that he he himself is not aware of. That is why a ghost can talk to him,

As you rightly said the doctor should use his "gift" in subsequent cases. I think that is the lesson of the case.

LordOfNaira:


Don't be scared, Eph. The doctor was merely hallucinating!!!

SalamRushdie:
The kind of bullying he receives on NL daily is becoming alarming

lepasharon:
Catfishbilly what say you?

lepasharon:
Catfishbilly what say you?

victorDanladi:
You have problem.


you came up with the doctor incompetence you were busted.


you then came up with the number of doctors?


just rewrite UTME and spend 8years in medical school.. may be your own consultant will teach you:


-the pathogenesis of death -Anti-death drug and its pharmacology -Anti-deathoplasty,the procedure and complication.

It's better you just face your musical carrier!

victorDanladi:
You have problem.


you came up with the doctor incompetence you were busted.


you then came up with the number of doctors?


just rewrite UTME and spend 8years in medical school.. may be your own consultant will teach you:


-the pathogenesis of death -Anti-death drug and its pharmacology -Anti-deathoplasty,the procedure and complication.

It's better you just face your musical carrier!

victorDanladi:
You have problem.


you came up with the doctor incompetence you were busted.


you then came up with the number of doctors?


just rewrite UTME and spend 8years in medical school.. may be your own consultant will teach you:


-the pathogenesis of death -Anti-death drug and its pharmacology -Anti-deathoplasty,the procedure and complication.

It's better you just face your musical carrier!

SalamRushdie:
I was just thinking of a radical approach that could save her just like I found an approach that will cure most cancers and it has worked for a lot of people

Beremx:
If only ghosts of the dead people carelessly killed by wicked doctors haunt the doctors, the health care system of our hospitals would be better.

ziga:
No, it hasn't. Believe me, I know.

felixomor:
I can see on this thread how internet and nairaland has confused some people to think that they know anything about medicine.
Some will be busy diagnosing Hallucinations up and down.
Saying things they know absolutely nothing about.

Mscheww.

KingEbukasBlog:
Arm chair atheists who spend their life time on Nairaland 24/7 are making diagnosis on a medical doctor . Whoever taught these atheists to have such audacity should feel sorry for himself

CatfishBilly:
Dude was overworked, felt guilty about the patient that died, then started imagining things.
Happens to everyone.

felixomor:
Brother, Honestly.
Its a disgusting sight.