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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 7:18pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


Isn't the imam reciting loud?

The first two rakaah yeah
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 7:19pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


Isn't the imam reciting loud? I mean its taraweeh

Yeah but I am talking about the Isha prayer. I am more concerned about that than the taraweeh. Regarding the taraweeh, the tranquility is not the same.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jun 02, 2017
Mofpearl:


Yeah but I am talking about the Isha prayer. I am more concerned about that than the taraweeh. Regarding the taraweeh, the tranquility is not the same.

OK, well its obligatory to read faatihah when the imam is reciting silently or if you can't hear the imam, but if you can hear the imam, then its sufficient.......

And as for praying behind someone else because you feel the imam is too fast then I'll get back to you on that insha Allaah, seems there is difference of opinion, what I've understood previously is, wherever you stop, just go to sujood with the imam, and your inability to complete will be on him......

BT like I said, I'll get back to you....

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 7:37pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


OK, well its obligatory to read faatihah when the imam is reciting silently or if you can't hear the imam, but if you can hear the imam, then its sufficient.......

And as for praying behind someone else because you feel the imam is too fast then I'll get back to you on that insha Allaah, seems there is difference of opinion, what I've understood previously is, wherever you stop, just go to sujood with the imam, and your inability to complete will be on him......

BT like I said, I'll get back to you....

This was what I understood too but I was reading about it again and the scholars differed on it. I followed the opinion of following the imam because it was from a trustworthy scholar. However, I am starting to think it's safer to complete reciting the surah. I heard the person may be blame worthy if he/she is taking her time and reading slowly. The thing is I am not sure if the Imam is reciting too fast or I am slower than "average". Sujood or ruku?
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Jun 02, 2017
Mofpearl:




This was what I understood too but I was reading about it again and the scholars differed on it. I followed the opinion of following the imam because it was from a trustworthy scholar. However, I am starting to think it's safer to complete reciting the surah. I heard the person may be blame worthy if he/she is taking her time and reading slowly. The thing is I am not sure if the Imam is reciting too fast or I am slower than "average". Sujood or ruku?

Ruku, *you also said sujood, so I made the mistake following what I read from you*

Perhaps you may be slower than average since you are not used to praying behind an imam....maybe you should try and be faster....
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by AbuUbayy1(m): 8:10pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


OK, well its obligatory to read faatihah when the imam is reciting silently or if you can't hear the imam, but if you can hear the imam, then its sufficient.......

And as for praying behind someone else because you feel the imam is too fast then I'll get back to you on that insha Allaah, seems there is difference of opinion, what I've understood previously is, wherever you stop, just go to sujood with the imam, and your inability to complete will be on him......

BT like I said, I'll get back to you....
BarakaLlaahu feek Akhee, This is the opinion favoured by Sheikh ALBAANI and it is the opinion that combined all the evidences
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 8:13pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


Ruku, *you also said sujood, so I made the mistake following what I read from you*

Perhaps you may be slower than average since you are not used to praying behind an imam....maybe you should try and be faster....

Didn't know that I wrote sujud. I actually thought of ruku.

I don't want/like to be faster. I literally sped up my recitation and I felt like it ruined my salah... I recited so quickly just to catch up *I am not even sure it is permissible t recite that fast* but I followed the imam regardless. If I recite fast I can't concentrate and reflect on what I am reciting. It becomes like.. I don't know how to explain it but there is not tranquility or kuhsoor.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 8:15pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


OK, well its obligatory to read faatihah when the imam is reciting silently or if you can't hear the imam, but if you can hear the imam, then its sufficient.......

Wait even in the third and fourth rakah?
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 8:53pm On Jun 02, 2017
Mofpearl:


Didn't know that I wrote sujud. I actually thought of ruku.
So did I....


I don't want/like to be faster. I literally sped up my recitation and I felt like it ruined my salah... I recited so quickly just to catch up *I am not even sure it is permissible t recite that fast* but I followed the imam regardless.

You recited faster than emm, shuraim or sudais?


If I recite fast I can't concentrate and reflect on what I am reciting. It becomes like.. I don't know how to explain it but there is not tranquility or kuhsoor.

Aboo Uthaymeen understands what you saying, you won't get to do reflection that will bring the needed khushoo'(awe)....
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 8:54pm On Jun 02, 2017
Mofpearl:


Wait even in the third and fourth rakah?


That what?
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 8:55pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbuUbayy1:

BarakaLlaahu feek Akhee, This is the opinion favoured by Sheikh ALBAANI and it is the opinion that combined all the evidences

Na'am....wa feeka baarak...
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 8:56pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:


That what?

You must complete reciting surah Al- Fathia.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 8:58pm On Jun 02, 2017
Mofpearl:


You must complete reciting surah Al- Fathia.

Yes, but if you can't complete it due to the fastness of the imam, then its on the imam, this is the understanding I have..... Will get back to you
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 9:17pm On Jun 02, 2017
AbdelKabir:
So did I....




You recited faster than emm, shuraim or sudais?

Yes. I was in the missle of Al Fathia and the imam went to ruku so I sped up to try to catch up and then I was like I don't have to complete it so I went in ruku too.

The imam recites at that pace (Shuraim).

I recite around that pace too maybe a lil slower.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 4:21am On Jun 03, 2017

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 8:09am On Jun 04, 2017
Never knew this aayah had another meaning other than its apparent meaning, this is why its not advisable to cut ties with scholars;

For those that understand Arabic listen to the full talk;

تفسير الآية يخرج الحي من الميت - العلامة صالح الفوزان حفظه الله


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTrRpC6wB1g


For those who don't understand the language, the main point of the tafsir is, Allaah bringing life from the dead also mean raising a Muslim from a kaafir and bringing the dead from the living also mean raising a kaafir from a Muslim....
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 9:08am On Jun 04, 2017
Shaykh Muhammad ibn haadee Al-madkhali says:

Knowledge is that which is in your breast (heart, memorized), and as for books those are only for revision, if you are not an attentive memorizer then your compiling of books won't help you.....
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Empiree: 7:55pm On Jun 04, 2017
AbdelKabir:
Never knew this aayah had another meaning other than its apparent meaning, this is why its not advisable to cut ties with scholars;

For those that understand Arabic listen to the full talk;

تفسير الآية يخرج الحي من الميت - العلامة صالح الفوزان حفظه الله


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTrRpC6wB1g


For those who don't understand the language, the main point of the tafsir is, Allaah bringing life from the dead also mean raising a Muslim from a kaafir and bringing the dead from the living also mean raising a kaafir from a Muslim....
Huummm, really hate engaging people in ramadan but i rather drop this before my memory fades after ramadan.

So in conclusion, the interpretation given by the Sheikh is from where?.....ilm batin?. I thought ilm batin doesn't exist according to you?. If Sufi sheikh had interpreted the ayah the way this sheikh did, would you have agreed with him as you agreed with this one or would you have said the interpretation is from his desire and started quoting against innovation?. Dont you think the SHeikh interpreted the ayah bcus of the TIME we live in to suit his purpose?.

Although i am not surprised but coming from you to say the ayah had meaning (hidden meaning) beyond apparent meaning is something known with sufis. According to you, people who believe in hidden meaning are considered "mubtadi". So did sahaba, tabi'i and tabi'i tabi'i understood the ayah as sheikh interpreted it?.


Just my thought. You really dont have to reply me cus my ramadan is used for ibadah. So ain't got time for this. Your post only caught my attention.


#doublestandardcited
ikupakuti

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 10:00pm On Jun 04, 2017
Empiree:
Huummm, really hate engaging people in ramadan but i rather drop this before my memory fades after ramadan.

So in conclusion, the interpretation given by the Sheikh is from where?.....ilm batin?. I thought ilm batin doesn't exist according to you?. If Sufi sheikh had interpreted the ayah the way this sheikh did, would you have agreed with him as you agreed with this one or would you have said the interpretation is from his desire and started quoting against innovation?. Dont you think the SHeikh interpreted the ayah bcus of the TIME we live in to suit his purpose?.

Although i am not surprised but coming from you to say the ayah had meaning (hidden meaning) beyond apparent meaning is something known with sufis. According to you, people who believes in hidden meaning are considered "mubtadi". So did sahaba, tabi'i and tabi'i tabi'i understood the ayah as sheikh interpreted it?.


Just my thought. You really dont have to reply me cus my ramadan is used for ibadah. So ain't got time for this. Your post only caught my attention.


#doublestandardcited
ikupakuti

Sorry, the shaykh didn't interprete it with some fictitious "ilm baatin" that's Sufi misguidance, where sufis get their "tafsir" from shaytaan...... there is a tafsir from the salafs which I will gladly provide if you need it, I didn't just post it without seeing an evidence........ We are not Mureeds blindfollowers like you, sorry...

You don't have time but you typed the long story because you were like "yes! I've got them" yeye grin

OK, I won't wait till you ask for my proof, when we read in imam at-tabari tafsir of this aayah;

حدثنا بشر، قال: ثنا يزيد، قال: ثنا سعيد، عن قَتادة، عن الحسن قوله: يُخْرِجُ الْحَيَّ مِنَ الْمَيِّتِ وَيُخْرِجُ الْمَيِّتَ مِنَ الْحَيّ ) المؤمن من الكافر، والكافر من المؤمن.)

Source: http://islamport.com/w/tfs/Web/43/11472.htm

Are you happy now?

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 10:05pm On Jun 04, 2017
WAllaahi would've ignored your ignorance but I just decided to reply and that's it.....
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Empiree: 11:48pm On Jun 04, 2017
Lousy dalil as usual.

Anyways, there isnt anything peculiar or special about saying "bringing or raising kafir from muslim" vis-a-vis. It is a one plus one common sense undecided undecided Even a "dead Muslim" may be brought out of sound muslim vice versa. My concern remains that if your scholar was from other side saying this, you would have tagged him something. That's the point
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by ikupakuti(m): 12:29am On Jun 05, 2017
Empiree:
Huummm, really hate engaging people in ramadan but i rather drop this before my memory fades after ramadan.

So in conclusion, the interpretation given by the Sheikh is from where?.....ilm batin?. I thought ilm batin doesn't exist according to you?. If Sufi sheikh had interpreted the ayah the way this sheikh did, would you have agreed with him as you agreed with this one or would you have said the interpretation is from his desire and started quoting against innovation?. Dont you think the SHeikh interpreted the ayah bcus of the TIME we live in to suit his purpose?.

Although i am not surprised but coming from you to say the ayah had meaning (hidden meaning) beyond apparent meaning is something known with sufis. According to you, people who believes in hidden meaning are considered "mubtadi". So did sahaba, tabi'i and tabi'i tabi'i understood the ayah as sheikh interpreted it?.


Just my thought. You really dont have to reply me cus my ramadan is used for ibadah. So ain't got time for this. Your post only caught my attention.


#doublestandardcited
ikupakuti


grin as usual.

A muslim is suprised that the uncreated word of God who bears AS-SAMAD (the eternal) did have other meanings cheesy even if one is going to give a verse a million interpretations, you aint started yet cheesy why ? Cos they will all be within the confines of Language (created) and a created cannot encompass the uncreated.

How fasting ?

May God enlighten us.

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 2:17am On Jun 05, 2017
Empiree:
Lousy dalil as usual.

Anyways, there isnt anything peculiar or special about saying "bringing or raising kafir from muslim" vis-a-vis. It is a one plus one common sense undecided undecided Even a "dead" may be brought out of sound muslim vice versa. My concern remains that if your scholar was from other side saying this, you would have tagged him something. That's the point

grin grin

I thought you were beating your chest initially? Why has your tone changed? You asked for same interpretation from the salafs and i provided it with a chain of narration, and you now feel like "I wish never said that" shioor...

This goes on to proof that the scholars of Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah are not people of desires like your deviant Sufi shaykhs...


Bye, pls don't make this mistake again...

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Empiree: 2:59am On Jun 05, 2017
ikupakuti:


grin as usual.

A muslim is suprised that the uncreated word of God who bears AS-SAMAD (the eternal) did have other meanings cheesy even if one is going to give a verse a million interpretations, you aint started yet cheesy why ? Cos they will all be within the confines of Language (created) and a created cannot encompass the uncreated.

How fasting ?

May God enlighten us.

Alhamdulilah.....fast is going on well. Really don't like any types of arguments with them in ramadan. But his approach got me thinking bcus he did not have foreknowledge of the implicit interpretation of the verse. Not that I am completely naive of the possibility of the interpretation. I was only thinking if his sheikh was sufi...would he have accepted his interpretation regardless of whether it has reference or not?.

I can guarantee if he was sufi scholar with such reference he provided he would say it is "lousy dalil". I am not unfamiliar with him. That's really my point.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 11:04pm On Jun 07, 2017
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 7:00am On Jun 09, 2017
Sh. Ibn Bāz Raḥimahullāh: “The Prophetic tradition of Fajr 2 Rak’āt Sunnah is to recite Sūrah al-Kāfiroon in 1st and Sūrah al-Ikhlāṣ in 2nd unit after al-Fātiḥah.”

● [مجموع الفتاوى ١١/٤٠٥]

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 5:51pm On Jun 09, 2017
The humour of shaykh Ibn baaz smiley rahimahullaah

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 1:47pm On Jun 13, 2017
Subhanallah! I was a few minutes away from making a detailed about the rift in the GCC when I received the answer I posed to sheikh Assim. I thought it'd be beneficial to post it here as well. His answer for some reason reminded me of the tafsir this verse in surah Yusuf.

وَرَفَعَ أَبَوَيْهِ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ وَخَرُّوا لَهُ سُجَّدًا ۖ وَقَالَ يَا أَبَتِ هَٰذَا تَأْوِيلُ رُؤْيَايَ مِن قَبْلُ قَدْ جَعَلَهَا رَبِّي حَقًّا ۖ وَقَدْ أَحْسَنَ بِي إِذْ أَخْرَجَنِي مِنَ السِّجْنِ وَجَاءَ بِكُم مِّنَ الْبَدْوِ مِن بَعْدِ أَن نَّزَغَ الشَّيْطَانُ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَ إِخْوَتِي ۚ إِنَّ رَبِّي لَطِيفٌ لِّمَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ - 12:100

And he raised his parents upon the throne, and they bowed to him in prostration. And he said, "O my father, this is the explanation of my vision of before. My Lord has made it reality. And He was certainly good to me when He took me out of prison and brought you [here] from bedouin life after Satan had induced [estrangement] between me and my brothers. Indeed, my Lord is Subtle in what He wills. Indeed, it is He who is the Knowing, the Wise.

*See how Yusuf (peace be upon him) did not blame his brothers for their actions but blamed Shaytan.

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Question in Detail:
Salam alaykum wa rahamtullahi was barakathu

Looking at what is going on in the the GCC, are Muslims (both affected
Muslims and non-affected Muslims) allowed to speak about the inappropriate
actions of the leaders without speaking ill about them (ie without speaking
ill of the leaders)?

Answer

Wa alaikumsalam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuhu,

Speaking ill about them will only add fuel to the fire and increase people's hatred to them! This serves no one except the enemy and it hardens our hearts.

We make Duaa for the ummah and ask Allah to get rid of the hypocrites and
their allies.
Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 1:54pm On Jun 13, 2017
*Not sure it completely answered my question but I can relate to the strong feelings for and against certain leaders and I guess it only adds fire to condem them*

Hence, I think it will be much better to support these leaders with dua.

And Allah knows best

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Demmzy15(m): 8:07pm On Jun 15, 2017
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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Mofpearl: 3:39pm On Jun 16, 2017

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Re: What Do The Scholars Say? by Nobody: 3:46pm On Jun 16, 2017
Watching Magical Acrobatic Stunts And Circus Antics

Shaykh Salih Al-Fawzaan [حفظه الله] said:

❝It is not permissible to use magic in the form of acrobatic stunts or circus antics or anything similar to that. Like the one who pulls a car with his hair, or a car is driven over him and does not harm him..... all of this is magical imagery, so it is not allowed to perform it or to be happy with it, nor to attract your friends to do this in front of Muslims. Because it is clear evil, it is obligatory to reject and terminate it and to cleanse the Muslim lands of it... if those who go to see magic in the form of acrobatic stunts even though they are not pleased with going to see them, they have carried out something which is prohibited and they are sinful for it.
If they are pleased with this and they know that this is done by magic then they have fallen into disbelief because of it.❞

[Daroos Fee Sharh Nawaqid al Islaam, (Page: 152-156) | Translated By Abbas Abu Yahya Miraath al-Anbiyya]

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