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oneolajire:
All these comparisons of yours does not infer that God is not punishing those who commit sin or reject the offer of salvation in lake of fire. 

Hope you don't belong to those who read "new world translation of the holy scriptures" that adulterated and poisonous book. Cos they'll give you false assurance of everlasting life.

dude, all you know how to do is to just attack attack blindly, you have a sixth, use it

porozhniy:
You really need to open your mind oo Oga. That same rev. also mentioned that DEATH & HADES will be cast into the lake of fire! How will death & hades suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire?
Note: I'm not religious, cos a lot of the teachings doesn't make sense.

Tell me one teaching that doesn't make sense, and I will help you make sense out it. If it really is a bible teaching

Peacefullove:
which truth , hehehehehe its all in your head.

if You dont exist before you were conceived, How then are you gonna continue to exist after you are DEAD! think.

wow, border u said something reasonable tanx

joyandfaith:
hell fire is different from lake of fire. hell fire is not in Bible. lake of fire means second dead. hell is another word for grave.

The lake of fire is a symbol of eternal destruction. It is the same as Gehenna, but it is different from hell, which is the common grave of mankind.
Not a literal lake
The five Bible verses that mention “the lake of fire” show it to be a symbol rather than a literal lake. ( Revelation 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8 ) The following are cast into the lake of fire:
The Devil. ( Revelation 20:10 ) As a spirit creature, the Devil cannot be harmed by literal fire.
—Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:20 .
Death. ( Revelation 20:14 ) This is not a literal entity but represents a state of inactivity, the absence of life . ( Ecclesiastes 9:10 ) Death cannot literally be burned.
“The wild beast” and “the false prophet.” ( Revelation 19:20 ) Since these are symbols, doesn’t it seem reasonable to conclude that the lake they are thrown into is also a symbol?
—Revelation 13:11, 12; 16:13 .
A symbol of eternal destruction
The Bible says that the lake of fire “means the second death.” ( Revelation 20:14; 21:8 ) The first kind of death mentioned in the Bible resulted from Adam’s sin. This death can be reversed by resurrection and will eventually be eliminated by God.— 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 26 .
The lake of fire represents a different, or second, kind of death. Although it too represents a state of total inactivity, it is different in that the Bible says nothing about a resurrection from the second death. For example, the Bible says that Jesus has “the keys of hell and of death,” showing that he has the authority to release people from the death brought by Adam’s sin. ( Revelation 1:18; 20:13 ,
King James Version) However, neither Jesus nor anyone else has a key to the lake of fire. That symbolic lake represents eternal punishment in the form of permanent destruction.—
2 Thessalonians 1:9 .
Identical to Gehenna, the Valley of Hinnom
Gehenna (Greek geʹen·na ) is mentioned 12 times in the Bible. Like the lake of fire, it is a symbol of eternal destruction. Although some translations render this word as “hell,” Gehenna is different from hell ( Hebrew sheʼohlʹ, Greek haiʹdes ).
The word “Gehenna” literally means “Valley of Hinnom,” referring to a valley just outside Jerusalem. In Bible times, the city residents used this valley as a garbage dump. They kept a fire constantly burning there to destroy refuse; maggots consumed anything that the fire did not reach.
Jesus used Gehenna as a symbol of everlasting destruction. ( Matthew 23:33 ) He said that in Gehenna “the maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.” ( Mark 9:
47, 48) He thus alluded to the conditions in the Valley of Hinnom and also to the prophecy at Isaiah 66:24 , which says: “They will go out and look on the carcasses of the men who rebelled against me; for the worms on them will not die, and their fire will not be extinguished.” Jesus’ illustration describes, not torture, but complete annihilation. The worms and fire consume carcasses, or dead bodies, not living people.
The Bible gives no indication of any return from Gehenna. “The lake of fire” and “the fiery Gehenna” both represent permanent, everlasting destruction.— Revelation 20:14, 15; 21:8; Matthew 18:9 .
How “tormented day and night forever and ever”?
If the lake of fire is a symbol of destruction, why does the Bible say that in it the Devil, the wild beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night forever and ever”? ( Revelation 20:10 ) Consider four reasons why this torment does not refer to literal torture:
1. For the Devil to be tortured eternally, he would have to be kept alive forever. However, the Bible says that he will be brought to nothing, or put out of existence.— Hebrews 2:
14.
2. Everlasting life is a gift from God, not a punishment.— Romans 6:23 .
3. The wild beast and the false prophet are symbols and cannot experience literal torture.
4. The context of the Bible indicates that the torment of the Devil is everlasting restraint or destruction.
The word used for “torment” in the Bible can also mean “a condition of restraint.” For example, the Greek word for “tormentors” used at Matthew 18:34 is rendered as “jailers” in many translations, showing the connection between the words “torment” and “restraint.” Likewise, the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:30, 31 equate “torment” with “the abyss,” a figurative place of complete inactivity or death. ( Romans 10:7; Revelation 20:1, 3 ) In fact, several times the book of Revelation uses the word “torment” in a symbolic sense.— Revelation 9:5; 11:10; 18:7, 10.

well said

jonbellion:
Well it's obvious na
Only brainwashed fools will believe in hellfire
The funny thing about the idiotic doctrine is that even if you were a terrible person in your lifetime you can just mumble a few words of repentance on your deathbed and you'd enter sugar candy land and even if you were a normal law abiding good hearted citizen but did not acknowledge the christian God you would go to hell for all eternity
Smh
You must have half a brain to believe judgement like this is just

2 Corinthians 5:17

Peacefullove:
getting interesting, so you mean if I killed one Chicken from the poultry , the Chicken has a Soul that lives on somewhere else ... it's existence doesnt end at death ?

Do living things like dogs and Cats also go to heaven after they die since death is just a separation of Soul from their bodies ?

...yes they do.The giver of soul may decide to deactivate their soul from existing totally like their body is deactivated by you.You only have power over the chickens and dogs body not their soul.

so,practically,their souls are deactivated.Why?.....Because God doesn't give them the brain,a well developed cerebral cortex,to understand instructions,religion formula etc they will not be held responsible for their deeds.But incase of human being God gave us the brain to understand his instructions etc so their is a justification for holding us responsible for our deeds.

oneolajire:
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One thing you guys don't want to realise is that humans are SPIRIT beings whose housing or casing is his body/flesh. When man dies, his sheds his casing or flesh, the spirit is eternal. I Thes 5:23. Philippians 1 vs 20-24. 



Yea, you do not exist before you were born, but you will fully realise your existence after death. God knew you before you were formed, he knew you will doubt him. He knew you will argue argue about this topic. 



The occults know that life is spiritual, so they control life from the spiritual realm. They control humans (people who don't accept Jesus) to do immoral things and do evil. They know there is life after death.

Most atheist are from christian backgrounds who feel God's laws are cumbersome. They feel God is unreasonable. What a pity! That Is why they argue from the bible point. God is never bothered, cos he knows those people will regret at the end.    ‎




Repent before it is too late

I think you have said it all,,,,thanks am relief.

jonbellion:
start using your brain. They are not afraid it just makes no sense and is not moral or just in any way you want to imagine it
The Christian population of the world is 30%
So you mean people that did not believe in Jesus Christ (70% of the world) would burn forever in eternal anguish

oga sir I don dae gather this thing since OK wat of Buddhist wey no believe In God if Dem die were Dem go enta , wat of scavengers wey Neva see civilization before, surely people go don die for their midst, if Dem die were Dem go enta. We need to start looking at facts

victorDanladi:
...yes they do.

Hehehehehe , So Dogs and Cats gonna go to heaven Nairaland will not kill me with laughter , I guess Jesus died for them too ?

Peacefullove:
Hehehehehe , So Dogs and Cats gonna go to heaven Nairaland will not kill me with laughter , I guess Jesus died for them too ?

go back to the original post quote you quoted and read the modification!!

victorDanladi:
...yes they do. The giver of soul may decide to deactivate their soul from existing totally like their body is deactivated by you. You only have power over the chickens and dogs body not their soul.

Going by your logic, that of human can be deactivated from existing too

so,practically,their souls are deactivated.Why?.....Because God doesn't give them the brain,a well developed cerebral cortex,to understand instructions,religion formula etc they will not be held responsible for their deeds.But incase of human being God gave us the brain to understand his instructions etc so their is a justification for holding us responsible for our deeds.

The soul that sinneth Shall die says your bible, does that not prove that a sinning soul is Deactivated from existence ?

its shocking...so many Nigerians go to church but don't believe in God and his word

victorDanladi:
...yes they do.The giver of soul may decide to deactivate their soul from existing totally like their body is deactivated by you.You only have power over the chickens and dogs body not their soul.

so,practically,their souls are deactivated.Why?.....Because God doesn't give them the brain,a well developed cerebral cortex,to understand instructions,religion formula etc they will not be held responsible for their deeds.But incase of human being God gave us the brain to understand his instructions etc so their is a justification for holding us responsible for our deeds.

..ion knw where u learnt all this baba......but

King James Version Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 King James Version (KJV)
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Jephz:
..ion knw where u learnt all this baba......but

King James Version Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

has anyone done the exergesis of the verse to you?

Its true.The dead soul knows nothing about what is happening on earth just like someone that is sleeping knows nothing about what is happening beside him bit knows everything that is happening to him in his dream.

victorDanladi:
permanent separation of soul from the body.Its a form of permanent sleep because the same thing occurs while sleeping.your soul which is the real you is temporarily seized by God and Go into unconsciousness.That is why

1.you can never tell the exert time you started sleeping because it not under your control.

2.dream is the perfect example of life after death.


so,when one dies,its the soul that is taken away not that the person existence get erased and the soul can be handled anyhow by the person that gave it to you and you will still feel the handling weither enjoyment or suffering like you do while dreaming and your body will be physically existing here just like people see your sleeping body but will not know what you are going through in the dream.

Go and read Ezekiel 18:20 then come back and reconcile your philosophy with said scripture.

joyandfaith:
hell fire is different from lake of fire. hell fire is not in Bible. lake of fire means second dead. hell is another word for grave.

The lake of fire is a symbol of eternal destruction. It is the same as Gehenna, but it is different from hell, which is the common grave of mankind.
Not a literal lake
The five Bible verses that mention “the lake of fire” show it to be a symbol rather than a literal lake. ( Revelation 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8 ) The following are cast into the lake of fire:
The Devil. ( Revelation 20:10 ) As a spirit creature, the Devil cannot be harmed by literal fire.
—Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:20 .
Death. ( Revelation 20:14 ) This is not a literal entity but represents a state of inactivity, the absence of life . ( Ecclesiastes 9:10 ) Death cannot literally be burned.
“The wild beast” and “the false prophet.” ( Revelation 19:20 ) Since these are symbols, doesn’t it seem reasonable to conclude that the lake they are thrown into is also a symbol?
—Revelation 13:11, 12; 16:13 .
A symbol of eternal destruction
The Bible says that the lake of fire “means the second death.” ( Revelation 20:14; 21:8 ) The first kind of death mentioned in the Bible resulted from Adam’s sin. This death can be reversed by resurrection and will eventually be eliminated by God.— 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 26 .
The lake of fire represents a different, or second, kind of death. Although it too represents a state of total inactivity, it is different in that the Bible says nothing about a resurrection from the second death. For example, the Bible says that Jesus has “the keys of hell and of death,” showing that he has the authority to release people from the death brought by Adam’s sin. ( Revelation 1:18; 20:13 ,
King James Version) However, neither Jesus nor anyone else has a key to the lake of fire. That symbolic lake represents eternal punishment in the form of permanent destruction.—
2 Thessalonians 1:9 .
Identical to Gehenna, the Valley of Hinnom
Gehenna (Greek geʹen·na ) is mentioned 12 times in the Bible. Like the lake of fire, it is a symbol of eternal destruction. Although some translations render this word as “hell,” Gehenna is different from hell ( Hebrew sheʼohlʹ, Greek haiʹdes ).
The word “Gehenna” literally means “Valley of Hinnom,” referring to a valley just outside Jerusalem. In Bible times, the city residents used this valley as a garbage dump. They kept a fire constantly burning there to destroy refuse; maggots consumed anything that the fire did not reach.
Jesus used Gehenna as a symbol of everlasting destruction. ( Matthew 23:33 ) He said that in Gehenna “the maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.” ( Mark 9:
47, 48) He thus alluded to the conditions in the Valley of Hinnom and also to the prophecy at Isaiah 66:24 , which says: “They will go out and look on the carcasses of the men who rebelled against me; for the worms on them will not die, and their fire will not be extinguished.” Jesus’ illustration describes, not torture, but complete annihilation. The worms and fire consume carcasses, or dead bodies, not living people.
The Bible gives no indication of any return from Gehenna. “The lake of fire” and “the fiery Gehenna” both represent permanent, everlasting destruction.— Revelation 20:14, 15; 21:8; Matthew 18:9 .
How “tormented day and night forever and ever”?
If the lake of fire is a symbol of destruction, why does the Bible say that in it the Devil, the wild beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night forever and ever”? ( Revelation 20:10 ) Consider four reasons why this torment does not refer to literal torture:
1. For the Devil to be tortured eternally, he would have to be kept alive forever. However, the Bible says that he will be brought to nothing, or put out of existence.— Hebrews 2:
14.
2. Everlasting life is a gift from God, not a punishment.— Romans 6:23 .
3. The wild beast and the false prophet are symbols and cannot experience literal torture.
4. The context of the Bible indicates that the torment of the Devil is everlasting restraint or destruction.
The word used for “torment” in the Bible can also mean “a condition of restraint.” For example, the Greek word for “tormentors” used at Matthew 18:34 is rendered as “jailers” in many translations, showing the connection between the words “torment” and “restraint.” Likewise, the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:30, 31 equate “torment” with “the abyss,” a figurative place of complete inactivity or death. ( Romans 10:7; Revelation 20:1, 3 ) In fact, several times the book of Revelation uses the word “torment” in a symbolic sense.— Revelation 9:5; 11:10; 18:7, 10.

You go school. Very enlightening point

Peacefullove:
Going by your logic, that of human can be deactivated from existing too



The soul that sinneth Shall die says your bible, does that not prove that a sinning soul is Deactivated from existence ?

....I have give you the logical reason to why the soul of human being will not be deactivated like that of animals and plants.


Although,I dont like quoting scriptures while discussing with atheist,but I will like you to quote that verse of the bible you are referring to.

Jascon4:
Go and read Ezekiel 18:20 then come back and reconcile your philosophy with said scripture.

The one who sins is the one who will die. The child
will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the
parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.
Ezekiel 18:20


The death used here is metaphorical....it means when a doer of good die physically here on earth it is more or less like it is still living considering his status before the Lord in heaven.However,the sinner will die and re-die while in hell fire.

victorDanladi:
....I have give you the logical reason to why the soul of human being will not be deactivated like that of animals and plants.


Although,I dont like quoting scriptures while discussing with atheist,but I will like you to quote that verse of the bible you are referring to.

I already gave u the verse. Read post above

Jascon4:
I already gave u the verse. Read post above

you've been replied.

Op answer this question. Where did God said Adam will go when he sinned. Dust or Hell Fire. If the Originator of sin did not go to Hell fire why will the children go. Pls Lake of fire and He'll fire are not the same thing
Go and study your Bible

victorDanladi:
....I have give you the logical reason to why the soul of human being will not be deactivated like that of animals and plants.

the giver of soul can decide to terminate an Human soul too going by your logic . And the reason for this is not far fetched, aftrerall Your bible said the Soul that sinneth, Shall DIE , shall what ? DIE , Ezekiel 18 vs 20

Although,I dont like quoting scriptures while discussing with atheist,but I will like you to quote that verse of the bible you are referring to.

Yahweh tells the isrealites not to touch any dead Soul in Numbers 6 vs 6 . telling you that a Dead man is a Dead soul , deactivated!

people of the world knows Bible pass. "SATAN CAN QUOTE BIBLE" when you told them the truth they used another word to counter it, that's why devils are gaining more soul. Whether we like it or not hell is REAL! No doubting, no twisting. many Bible scorer in the house, stop turning Bible up and down, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, let us understand and study our bible well, know the truth world of God. My people perished for they lack knowledge. Solomon said "get wisdom". JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY.

victorDanladi:
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child
will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the
parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.
Ezekiel 18:20


The death used here is metaphorical....it means when a doer of good die physically here on earth it is more or less like it is still living considering his status before the Lord in heaven. However,the sinner will die and re-die while in hell fire.

Typical !

body DIE , you won't say metaphorical

but when u read soul DIE , its metaphorical . despite that both are the same three letter word " DIE " . why are you not consistent ? simple, you are preaching lies, and a lie will always contradict.


if metaphorical, why did your bible called a dead man a Dead Soul ? Dead Soul. yea ... why ?

victorDanladi:
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child
will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the
parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.
Ezekiel 18:20


The death used here is metaphorical....it means when a doer of good die physically here on earth it is more or less like it is still living considering his status before the Lord in heaven.However,the sinner will die and re-die while in hell fire.

Where in the scripture can u support the bolded, or is it just your philosophy?

Now go and read Ecclesiastes 3:19...and carefully ponder over it

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crownbayo:
people of the world knows Bible pass. "SATAN CAN QUOTE BIBLE" when you told them the truth they used another word to counter it, that's why devils are gaining more soul. Whether we like it or not hell is REAL! No doubting, no twisting. many Bible scorer in the house, stop turning Bible up and down, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, let us understand and study our bible well, know the truth world of God. My people perished for they lack knowledge. Solomon said "get wisdom". JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY.

Church boy, you are the one perishing for lack of knowledge. Guess what ? Hell is real and according to your Bible . You are going there too

Douay-Rheims Bible ; Ecclesistes 9 vs 10
" Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither
thou art hastening. "


Do you agree with this Bible portion that says You [thou] shall also be in hell ?

The greatest scam Eva in d history of mankind is RELIGION...Am a xtian though

Peacefullove:
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l called a people like you baby in Christianity because you still need milk, is better you go and throw away that your Bible, so it not mislead you, because it ll not pay u

They're the same,give your life to christ now before is too late.

joyandfaith:
and people like you that preach hell fire commit sins more than Satan. Destruction by fire is different from burning people in hell fire for life.

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?

Each time you tell a JW member that God will send sinners to hell/lake of fire, they protest as if Jesus didn't talk about it. 

They ask "can you send people to hell if they are your family members"?  They quote Jer 32 vs 35 to defend themselves. 

But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire. 

So why are Jw's taking Jesus for a liar? What are they afraid of? They should stop peddling lies and accept Jesus as their saviour if they don't want to end up in hell/lake of fire.

For more on the LIES of JW's read my write -up by following the link below 

https://www.nairaland.com/3328303/16-terrible-lies-jehovah-witnesses

What witnesses believe is irrelevant. What is sacrosanct is what the bible says and that is what we base our teachings solely on.

When God warned Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Good and Bad, he warned of the consequences that they will positively die.

When they did sin, he passed judgment on Adam and Eve by saying ,"dust you and to dust you will return" . He made no mention of hell or hellfire/lake of fire.

This death punishment has been a constant term in the scriptures.

The wages sin pays is death (Romans 6:23)

Now where the did preaching of fiery everlasting torment in hellfire or lake of fire originate from?

In the book of revelations 21:8, it calls the Lake of fire the second death. It stands for everlasting destruction. Those there have no hope of a resurrection.( 2Thessalonians 1:8-9)

The hellfire teachings of everlasting physical torment originates from false prophets who began to make headway into Christianity after the death of all the apostles. The Last apostle
John died in 100 AD.

Jesus and Apostle Paul had warned us of the rise of this oppressive wolves(Matthew 24:24 and Acts 20:27-28)

We should not listen or pay attention to their twisted teaching lest we end up destroyed like them (Matthew 23:13 and 15)