i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

Dalek:


yea i said a pro-yoruba nation military council can be used to usher us in, but i know it's dangerous but if we can get such, it will be fast and effective

Indeed my kind Sir, a yoruba nation military council sounds just about right. and decentralise their power so each person does not know who the man on top is. this will keep them on their toes. well you all have great ideas. lets watch and see

deedeedee1:

Believe me bro, we wont. There is a reason why most indigenous mono-ethnic societies have very little corruption.

The emboldened is something that has got me thinking. I am gonna be doing a mini-research on this and see how it can apply to our case.

Honestly our predecessors had eagle vision.

In the Ibadan conference of 1950, where representatives from all parts of the country came together to form a constitution, the view was

The General Conference was of the view that over-centralisation would be a grave error "in this vast country with its widely differing conditions and needs", and that the policy which had received enthusiastic support throughout the country was the policy of achieving unity at the Centre through strength in the Regions. It was confidently expected that when the Regions felt that they had wide powers to run their own regional affairs, they would be more likely ready to co-operate with the other Regions through their representatives in the Council of Ministers and the House of Representatives in serving the interest of Nigeria as a whole".



Until we go back to the original plan, we're merely playing the ostrich.

Dalek:


Trust me our pple full dere, politics is like our natural resources. we are going to need get rid of alot of our kins in politics and strip them of all their shaddy wealths. make dere children irrelevant in future politics.

sins of the father indeed.

You have a point boss. U do and I will agree with you because when sukkot mentioned names like OBJ and Tinubu, what comes to my mind is the specie of followers these greedy men has placed in power. We have lot of work to do if by tomorrow we stand alone.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

The goal is a successful country NOT a multi-cultural country. If success requires a Yoruba only country then so be it. Mind you, we have absolutely nothing against the SS or middle-belt. We just seek to maximize our potential as a people.

Outofsync:

You have made good points.

However one of the reasons why it seems we're not talking much against corrupt leaders is because the system (Nigeria) itself is corrupt. For example, Jagaban is no saint yet most Yorubas don't condemn him because bad as he was, he still looked out for our interest and has certainly helped Lagos State get to where it is, if nowhere else. Same with OBJ.

Actually I believe the same mentality exists in the North for Abacha and IBB, despite their evils.

it's the system see.

you are right. well we have the intellectuals and the manpower. if GOD be on our side who can be against us right ? it would be a great thing to have an actualised oduduwa nation with zero tolerance for corruption and everything working perfectly.

Outofsync:
Honestly our predecessors had eagle vision.

In the Ibadan conference of 1950, where representatives from all parts of the country came together to form a constitution, the view was

The General Conference was of the view that over-centralisation would be a grave error "in this vast country with its widely differing conditions and needs", and that the policy which had received enthusiastic support throughout the country was the policy of achieving unity at the Centre through strength in the Regions. It was confidently expected that when the Regions felt that they had wide powers to run their own regional affairs, they would be more likely ready to co-operate with the other Regions through their representatives in the Council of Ministers and the House of Representatives in serving the interest of Nigeria as a whole".


Until we go back to the original plan, we're merely playing the ostrich.

There was a fundamental error that they made, which they also did not envisaged.

The constitution of then should have been drafted in a manner that prevents meddling of FG in Regional affairs. Ahmadu Bello exploited that very well using his stooge Balewa and with the tacit support of Zik and Okpara.

FisifunKododada:


Love this back and forth between you two. I am getting some insights. I actually think 2 senators per state is enough sef. Our goal should be growing the economy not growing the government.

why I said 3 is so we can have it like say eg. (lagos west, Lagos east and Lagos Central). having 2 maybe be ok but in the long run it may not offer enough opposition and majority in the Senate floor.
in terms of economy, it's still comes to government laws on easy of doing business. Business are over taxed currently. limit personal income tax to the federal. let states have company tax. this will allow state make themselves business friendly.
Local Government can tax SMEs and private land use tax.
Luxury tax like (huge mansions and luxury cars yatch etc should also be taxed)
Definitely more tax to the rich
A national mandatory health insurance
senior citizens discounts etc

see ehn, we have long way to go
kudos to you too bruh for ur insights.

deedeedee1:

Believe me bro, we wont. There is a reason why most indigenous mono-ethnic societies have very little corruption.

Well mono ethnic societies in Europe comes to mind but in Africa, few can only be mentioned like Benin republic(that is if they are mono ethnic society anyway). I would have to carry out a research on this.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

Nah man.

We want to avoid cries of marginalization.

Best we remain seperate.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

Homogenous country are easier to govern and . look at most of the richest countries in the world . they are mostly homogenous. it's easier to orient the country for a common national goal. minorities will just kick about and cause problems.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

SS and Middle Belt Bawo?

Abeg abeg kolewerk!!!!!

Leave them jejely.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

No bro. If we include the minorities, what then is the essence of leaving Nigeria in the first place when we will still face the same problems we faced in Nigeria? Will it be sensible to form another "Mini-Nigeria"? Let the minorities stay on their own. We dont want them to accuse us of holding their progress. We dont want anybody to start crying of being marginalized.

Think about it.

sukkot:
Indeed my kind Sir, a yoruba nation military council sounds just about right. and decentralise their power so each person does not know who the man on top is. this will keep them on their toes. well you all have great ideas. lets watch and see

yes it may be Military, but they will run it with well vetted civilians. the civilians can work on the needful, the military enforce it. until we can get a true and just Constitution den we proceed to a new Democratic republic

wristbangle:


You have a point boss. U do and I will agree with you because when sukkot mentioned names like OBJ and Tinubu, what comes to my mind is the specie of followers these greedy men has placed in power. We have lot of work to do if by tomorrow we stand alone.

plenty work o, no be small.
Godfathers must meet thier Gods if need be.

wristbangle:


Well mono ethnic societies in Europe comes to mind but in Africa, few can only be mentioned like Benin republic(that is if they are mono ethnic society anyway). I would have to carry out a research on this.

I have stayed in Benin republic before. They are not monoethnic at all. They have many ethnic groups. Even ghana has lesser ethnic groups than benin. Yorubas indigenes make up 14 percent of benin republic sha, but the fongbes and ajahs are the largest. I heard there are 33 ethnic groups in togo.
You can use botswana as an example even though they are not mono-ethnic but in the african sense, you can can call them one.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

a wholly Yoruba nation yes, tho I feel some of the middlebelt can stand alone, we may need to accommodate those who want to but not to our own detriment.
The Ebiras now may want to join since the okun people of kogi will be in a Yoruba nation. we can't say no to dem and dey can't stand alone.

wristbangle:


Well mono ethnic societies in Europe comes to mind but in Africa, few can only be mentioned like Benin republic(that is if they are mono ethnic society anyway). I would have to carry out a research on this.

Japan and south korea are also mono-ethnic. And they one of the most innovative and developed countries today

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

Lol sophistication.

Dalek:


a wholly Yoruba nation yes, tho I feel some of the middlebelt can stand alone, we may need to accommodate those who want to but not to our own detriment.
The Ebiras now may want to join since the okun people of kogi will be in a Yoruba nation. we can't say no to dem and dey can't stand alone.

Ebiras can form middle-belt republic or whatever with other minorities in the middle belt.

HughJazz:
Homogenous country are easier to govern and . look at most of the richest countries in the world . they are mostly homogenous. it's easier to orient the country for a common national goal. minorities will just kick about and cause problems.

Ori yin wambe!!

deedeedee1:

Ebiras can form middle-belt republic or whatever with other minorities in the middle belt.

lol, geographically we dn buy the Ebiras. was in Kogi for NYSC. Ebiras and okun people are like 5&6.
Ebiras dere even speak the okun, trust me those guys are better with us of course dey can have dere own state.
lest we want a refugee issue in the future if dey join other middlebelt

AkinPhysicist:


Trust me - I get your drift. But you still have not address my point about inevitability. What if the Balkanization of Nigeria is inevitable? Do we then fold our arms and refuse to prepare? Think about it. Sometimes, the forces that hold a country together no longer can. When the inevitable happens you must be ready to move forward. Part of that involves doing EVERYTHING you can to minimize the likelihood of war.

I just printed this and slapped it on my wall.
To be read everyday!

deedeedee1:

Japan and south korea are also mono-ethnic. And they one of the most innovative and developed countries today

I think it's a matter of common interest rather than being mono-ethnic per se. Indonesia is more ethnically diverse than Nigeria, and it's more developed. Somalia is largely mono-ethnic and they can't get their acts together because of the different interest groups. The case of Nigeria is because the ethnic groups have varying interests that differs coupled with the distrust.

deedeedee1:

I have stayed in Benin republic before. They are not monoethnic at all. They have many ethnic groups. Even ghana has lesser ethnic groups than benin. Yorubas indigenes make up 14 percent of benin republic sha, but the fongbes and ajahs are the largest. I heard there are 33 ethnic groups in togo.
You can use botswana as an example even though they are not mono-ethnic but in the african sense, you can can call them one.

The percentage according to the 2006 cencus is 17.6%. Also what part of country did you visited, was it near the coast or more in the interior?

@9jacool. I visited cotonou. We have many of our people there.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

I don't know who you are calling "minorities" but the south-south people and the middle belt people are certainly not minorities.
And why in hell would they want to form a country with you lazy and conning yoruba lots ?

Diamdem my ilaje brother where you at?

Dalek:


lol, geographically we dn buy the Ebiras. was in Kogi for NYSC. Ebiras and okun people are like 5&6.
Ebiras dere even speak the okun, trust me those guys are better with us of course dey can have dere own state.
lest we want a refugee issue in the future if dey join other middlebelt

there need to be a buffer states with the north incase of future invasions and wars. keep ebiras with other middle belt people and support their countries. big countries need buffer countries. so not to have border conflict that can lead to huge wars.

deedeedee1:
@9jacool. I visited cotonou. We have many of our people there.

Did you passed through Porto-Novo?

9jakool:

Did you passed through Porto-Novo?

Yes. I have been to benin 4 times.

Wow! Can't believe this thread kept sleep away from my eyes mehn.. Very insightful.

Kudos to the brilliant minds here