₦airaland Forum

AshiwajuFoward:

I.M.O, Yoruba Culture must supercede any other culture in Yorubaland -- we mustn't compromise with that else we'll be setting ourselves up for some serious problems in future.

deedeedee1:
Japan and south korea are also mono-ethnic. And they one of the most innovative and developed countries today

deedeedee1:
First of all, let me thank oga seun for re-opening this thread. Oga seun, eshe ooo.
Back to the topic. Are you telling me because an Igbo man has lived his whole life in Yorubaland, we should not leave this country?
Like i said before, i dont agree with you sir.

Intrepid01:
Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.
To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

Intrepid01:
Hmmm well said, but wait lemme ask you, are you planning on creating a settlement or a Country?.....

I think we should be careful about this Yoruba-tradition inclined nation some of you guys are trying to create here. As progressives we should be talking about a nation for all where the rights and privileges of everyone is allowed to flourish. No nation thrives on ethnic sentiment.

emmasege:
The Ceremonial Head of State can be no other person than OONIRISA. In Oduduwa Republic, it only makes sense that Arole O'odua be the life Head of State.

Demmzy15:
I thought it's going to be a secular country? What concerns "oonirisa"?

emmasege:
The Ceremonial Head of State can be no other person than OONIRISA. In Oduduwa Republic, it only makes sense that Arole O'odua be the life Head of State.

Intrepid01:
please rephrase or correct your post, it is not clear.

omohayek:
Do you mean countries like Germany, Finland, Norway, Japan and South Korea? Because these nations are all founded on "ethnic sentiment".

I don't think there's anything wrong in wanting a tolerant nation that welcomes immigrants who are willing to assimilate, and to swear their primary loyalty to their adopted nation, but the fact is that there is a clear, strong link between ethnic fractionalization and state dysfunction. It should be crystal clear to everyone by now that most Nigerians feel no real loyalty to their "nation" as opposed to their ethnic groups, which is one reason why 57 years of attempted state-building has so little to show for it.

raumdeuter:
Bros I totally disagree with you. The Yoruba nation will do well to know who to include and who to exclude, There are many friendly groups to Yorubas in Nigeria we can include like the Edos Itshekiri Ebira, etc

Ibo are allowed visitors in the new nation but must be on a valid visa.

Regarding the example you gave about the Ibo man in Ibadan, YES he will relocate back to his fathers compound wherever it is in Iboland. He is a guest here and will remain such. Anyone in the new nation must be able to trace his grand fathers compound (Agbo-ile) to a place in Yorubaland

We will only be open to friendly communities and our experience in the Nigerian experiment has shown us the evil neighbours and the well meaning neighbors

We have 3 generations of Edo, Hausas Isoko etc in Yorubaland, How many of them have ever called our homeland a no mans land, How many of them had the effrontery to insult our leaders and rulers the way some have. Ile ton toro, omo ale ibe ni koti dagba. A house is peaceful because the bastard hasnt grown up.

If you are a Christian, read about the Israelites that failed to rid some of the Cannanites from their land and hat those Cannanites grew up to be several centuries later, If we are going forward with this, we shouldnt set a trap for our great grand children to inherit the problems we had to deal with

Yoruba ronu o

Dalek:
i understand we need to promote our culture and all. but times are different now. we can't go back to a Constitutional monarchy.
Lets not in the process of culture, blind ourselves to progressive thinking.

omohayek:
Do you mean countries like Germany, Finland, Norway, Japan and South Korea? Because these nations are all founded on "ethnic sentiment".

I don't think there's anything wrong in wanting a tolerant nation that welcomes immigrants who are willing to assimilate, and to swear their primary loyalty to their adopted nation, but the fact is that there is a clear, strong link between ethnic fractionalization and state dysfunction. It should be crystal clear to everyone by now that most Nigerians feel no real loyalty to their "nation" as opposed to their ethnic groups, which is one reason why 57 years of attempted state-building has so little to show for it.

sukkot:
strong points but the oduduwa gatekeepers have to be removed. these people are also corrupt. its like doing the same thing and expecting a different result. you need personnel change and draconian laws drafted to keep people in check and you need to make a few examples out of some people jerry rawlings style and be ready at all times to use violence to keep looters in check. thats the only way to fix the rotten state we have all become. anything short of that and this proposal is just like putting plaster on a bullet wound

Intrepid01:
Exactly the point I have been teying to make some folks here see...imagine someone saying Ooni will be like the Head of State....it's like some people think say n.a. home we say joke...putting cultural sentiments above progressive thinking is a recipe for failure even before word go.

Sanchez01:
Often times, people misconstrue them to be one and the same but truth is they differ.

What is tradition?
Tradition is the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice.

What is culture?
Culture is defined as the behaviours and beliefs of a particular social, ethnic, or age group, as well as the ways of living built up by a group, from one generation to another.
http://www.esdaw.eu/the-difference-between-heritage-tradition-and-culture.html

The most important thing to differentiate between them is to consider that, if the beliefs and behaviors have been forwarded from the previous generation to the next generation, then it is considered a tradition otherwise not, whereas culture reflects the beliefs, governments, and ways of life that makes a community distinct from the other. It is important to note that the word ‘traditional culture’ is used to describe the culture that has retained the traditional values.
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-tradition-and-culture

Intrepid01:
Exactly the point I have been teying to make some folks here see...imagine someone saying Ooni will be like the Head of State....it's like some people think say n.a. home we say joke...putting cultural sentiments above progressive thinking is a recipe for failure even before word go.

emmasege:
Oonirisa is the full pronunciation for Ooni of Ife, also known as Arole O'odua. As a matter of fact Ooni's palace is called Ile O'odua (O'odua's House))

MrMaestro:
Where was that stated? I don't think you read the Constitution fully and understood the significance Aale. If that's what you're referring to. I would suggest rereading the Constitution. All government positions are elected.

Olu317:
That is not going to be possible. There are other kings that will feel cheated over this. It will be messy. There isn't any iota of doubt that Ooni own the oldest crown and is the sit of power of Olofin Adimula but other Obas will grumble at this and this might bring some sort of discord among all the people of different clans in Yoruba land. A lot of Yoruba have failed to realize that the reason Alaafin is angry is because Oyo's might and glory are not been placed affront in the like manner, Ooni's stool is been adored. This is the bone of contention and until the wise men within the Yoruba world understand that, each Yoruba enclave with her King should be promoted alongside the clan's beautiful heritage, while Ooni hold his supreme position as the head King. Truthfully all Obas will always play their role but not in politics. The people/citizens must own the political power.

Intrepid01:
Chief, the proposed constitution is the genesis of this constitution but we all knownit isn't in anyway formal. many people have opined what they actuly, hence the reason for my submission.

raumdeuter:
Bros I totally disagree with you. The Yoruba nation will do well to know who to include and who to exclude, There are many friendly groups to Yorubas in Nigeria we can include like the Edos Itshekiri Ebira, etc

Ibo are allowed visitors in the new nation but must be on a valid visa.

Regarding the example you gave about the Ibo man in Ibadan, YES he will relocate back to his fathers compound wherever it is in Iboland. He is a guest here and will remain such. Anyone in the new nation must be able to trace his grand fathers compound (Agbo-ile) to a place in Yorubaland

We will only be open to friendly communities and our experience in the Nigerian experiment has shown us the evil neighbours and the well meaning neighbors

We have 3 generations of Edo, Hausas Isoko etc in Yorubaland, How many of them have ever called our homeland a no mans land, How many of them had the effrontery to insult our leaders and rulers the way some have. Ile ton toro, omo ale ibe ni koti dagba. A house is peaceful because the bastard hasnt grown up.

If you are a Christian, read about the Israelites that failed to rid some of the Cannanites from their land and hat those Cannanites grew up to be several centuries later, If we are going forward with this, we shouldnt set a trap for our great grand children to inherit the problems we had to deal with

Yoruba ronu o

Olu317:
I know a man whose father was Ibo and got married to Yoruba princess . Where do you send such children to if they claim their mother's lineage? Have you given such a thought?. And sometimes, such children can either glorify their mother's side during unrest or betray. How would such case be treated?

raumdeuter:
Most of Africa is patrimonial, Even in Nigeria currently. We get our identity from our fathers side. Thats why you bear your fathers last name not your mothers. In your example that child is an Ibo child. and he should find his fathers house.

He can be allowed to stay but the loyalty of this type of person will always be suspect and I dont think that type of person should hold any political power unless he can totally denounce his fathers side of it

The lessons we learned from the Nigeria 57yrs shouldnt be repeated. There are people who hate us from the bottom of their heart and we have no reason to be nice to them

raumdeuter:
Bros I totally disagree with you. The Yoruba nation will do well to know who to include and who to exclude, There are many friendly groups to Yorubas in Nigeria we can include like the Edos Itshekiri Ebira, etc

Ibo are allowed visitors in the new nation but must be on a valid visa.

Regarding the example you gave about the Ibo man in Ibadan, YES he will relocate back to his fathers compound wherever it is in Iboland. He is a guest here and will remain such. Anyone in the new nation must be able to trace his grand fathers compound (Agbo-ile) to a place in Yorubaland

We will only be open to friendly communities and our experience in the Nigerian experiment has shown us the evil neighbours and the well meaning neighbors

We have 3 generations of Edo, Hausas Isoko etc in Yorubaland, How many of them have ever called our homeland a no mans land, How many of them had the effrontery to insult our leaders and rulers the way some have. Ile ton toro, omo ale ibe ni koti dagba. A house is peaceful because the bastard hasnt grown up.

If you are a Christian, read about the Israelites that failed to rid some of the Cannanites from their land and hat those Cannanites grew up to be several centuries later, If we are going forward with this, we shouldnt set a trap for our great grand children to inherit the problems we had to deal with

Yoruba ronu o

Olu317:
I understand your fear but you only treated this issue from the surface. With due respect, this family ,the man's himself whose mother was a princess in one Yoruba town had inheritance from his mother's side and he was the only surviving male out of 12 children of her mother until his died in his 60s. He has inheritance from his mother's side, which was his own mother's inheritance. Do you see any way such children can send packing, considering their vast Yoruba ancestry? In Yoruba land, mothers have right to children as fathers.

Olu317:
I understand your fear but you only treated this issue from the surface. With due respect, this family ,the man's whose mother was a princess in one Yoruba town had inheritance from his mother's side and he was the only surviving male out of 12 children of her mother until his died in his 60s. He has an older sister who is still alive. Do you see any way such children can send packing, considering their vast Yoruba ancestry? In Yoruba land, mothers have right to children as fathers.