Olu317:
I know a man whose father was Ibo and got married to Yoruba princess . Where do you send such children to if they claim their mother's lineage? Have you given such a thought?. And sometimes, such children can either glorify their mother's side during unrest or betray. How would such case be treated?

omohayek:

I have to ask you, who on here has talked of sending this man you speak of packing? Even highly homogeneous ethno-states like Japan and South Korea allow for adoption of nationality by foreigners, and giving the children of marriages with foreign spouses a choice of nationality when they reach adulthood, so why wouldn't that work here?

Frankly, I don't see anything in the example you raise that couldn't easily be accommodated by the same measures used in most states with a single ethnic majority.

raumdeuter:


In most cases children in Africa owe their loyalty to their fathers side and carry their fathers last name, That is why every African man desires a male child.

In the case of say a war vs his fathers side, will you trust this person to lead troops and serve Yorubaland?

In this case regardless of their Yoruba ancestry he also has Ibo ancestry and probably has an Ibo name. So do you see a situation where a person whose last name is Chukwuma will be the crown prince or governor of Ogun state. Unless this person will stay, never aspire to own land, never aspire for polical office, swears his undivided allegiance to Yorubaland and have a traditional ruler in Yorubaland or High chief attest to his loyalty

You know the death of Princess Diana some believed was due to her relationship with the son of Harrods owner Al Fayed and the suspicion of her being pregnant for him . So Prince William future king of England and head of the Anglican church will have an Arabian half brother who can also lay claims to the British royalty on account of his mother. You see how complicated this can be.

America is a country of immigrants, Unlike Africa where we have indigenous people

Obaluf0n:



Egbon mi DayoKanu, good to see you and tap from your wisdom as usual.

I was going to say things you stated in your post but I could not have put it any better.

In the post I was thinking of penning, I was going to state that thoughts like that of the man you replied is mostly borne out of marriage to people of ethnic groups or blood relations by birth (in the case of babymama). Hence, they tend to place Yoruba's interest and that of the other ethnic group on the same pedestal or they make it seem like the success of Yoruba's interest is hinged upon opening up to other folks.

These are the people we'll need to watch out for in the case of an eventual opportunity for Yoruba to have its own region/independent state. They may scuttle whatever the plan or goal is for their in-law to have a better landing.

MrMaestro:
I noticed talks about immigration and current non yoruba residents. I am of the opinion that any immigrant can be naturalized. The issue of Nigeria is a big one, and we have to deal with the reality of there being a large number of non yoruba residents that needs to be addressed at the outset. In the initial stage, we must first adopt an immigration policy similar to the Japanese immigration policy. Only investors and those of skilled and technical fields will be allowed. Very strict, and a very low percentage of immigrants. Essentially, expats primarily will be the bulk of foreign residents. Then there will be deportations of those who are not yoruba. Probably starting from criminals, unemployed, and those offering nothing to our society. This will be unfortunate, but it will have to happen. No sane country that strives to be successful and better will avoid doing the necessary to ensure a better future.

Finally, with a limited number of non yoruba residents, and with a heightened focus on cultural revolution, the nation will have converted most if not all of those who are not yoruba to the Yoruba culture, and future generations of these individuals will essentially be Yorubas.

Obaluf0n:


Egbon, I am sure you're aware Yoruba culture the patrilineal takes precedence in consideration of one's roots. What people want to know is your ile baba.

Let me also add that such offsprings can not or will find it very difficult to ascend the throne and the prince/ss status will not hold much weight.

raumdeuter:


My chairman, My own view is even more extreme, I will propose everyone with Ibo blood get out first and those interested in living here start their immigration paperwork with vetting from Yoruba immigration, stating what they want to come here to do.

If Business they must have upward of 20M Naira in a Yorubaland bank account, to work the company hiring them must prove there are no Yoruba or Edo Ebira, Itsekiri people with such skills similar to H1B visas.

And no matter how many years you live or how many kids you have your citizenship isnt guaranteed (Like in UK)

If for vacation you have a valid 6 month renewable visa

AshiwajuFoward:
Bro, you're funny as hell. Your post right here got me in stitches.

raumdeuter:


My chairman, My own view is even more extreme, I will propose everyone with Ibo blood get out first and those interested in living here start their immigration paperwork with vetting from Yoruba immigration, stating what they want to come here to do.

If Business they must have upward of 20M Naira in a Yorubaland bank account, to work the company hiring them must prove there are no Yoruba or Edo Ebira, Itsekiri people with such skills similar to H1B visas.

And no matter how many years you live or how many kids you have your citizenship isnt guaranteed (Like in UK)

If for vacation you have a valid 6 month renewable visa

raumdeuter:


Thanks my chairman. Yorubaland made many mistakes from the 40s in dealing with our neighbours and some of these mistakes affect us till today, We shouldnt repeat it again,

All these sophisticated Bullshit should go sit somewhere, The America and Britain we are trying to be like have even left political correctness and are addressing issues that affect their nation after seeing the adverse effect of plurality and mixing strange cultures

What we see as normal is strange to others e.g respect to elders, Some people believe who should be accorded respect should be by how much you have in your account.

We Yorubas believe in dignity of labor, No trade is bad, except Laziness and Stealing which encompass all corrupt act (Ole and Ole lo bomo je)
others believe all business na business.

Kaka kin jale, ma kuku deru. Rather tha steal I will prefer to be a slave is a popular Yoruba saying, Some other groups dont believe this

raumdeuter:


There are cultures in the world who respect diplomacy, there are cultures who only respect brute force, What they cant try in their land, they throw it to us and they know we will try to act sophisticated and shitt

Abia sacked people from other states no one complained, Fashola shipped like 20 people everyone went up in arms cursing Yoruba people. Priests from Imo rejected priests from Anambra yet they feel they should be given rights in Yorubaland.

Why do you think they dont step to Hausas but they see Yorubas as their toothpicks

Olu317:
@ Intrepid01, I still see the bitterness in the write up of some of our brothers on here. You raised a valuable perspective, which needed be placed in consideration. And it is about equity, fairness and assimilation of people willing to naturalized. This will bring in different ideology although must be positive which must add value to our polity.

shukuokukobambi:
You have my support for minister of homeland security. Ko si omo na

Efewestern:


Believe me the itsekiris don't see themselves as Yoruba.. yes they speak similar language with you, bear similar names with you.. but hey that doesn't make them Yoruba. Itsekiri is itsekiri, Yoruba is Yoruba. and I think itsekiri are more connected with ondo (Ilaje) than those from Lagos.

Wow I love the comments here, glad you guys love and respect minorities, Good to know.

cc: onuwaje
frathermathy
Sanchez01
wirinet

Olu317:
sorry for the late response, it was due anti spamming stuff. To your perspective as it seems, on itsekiri people. The reality is ,it was until Nigeria that creation that is taking away such opinion from the new generation. Let me inform you that itsekiri fought on behalf of Ekiti parapo during kiriji war. BINI didn't because it was not with any might. So, I understand your point but in truth they are largely Yoruba descendants. And if you say, they identify with Ondo axis, what grouping are the people in Ondo axis, especially the mentioned clans of yours? Even Arugbo/apoi in Ondo state speak Yoruboid language but claims Ijo (Izon/Ijawa). There is more that meet the eyes.

raumdeuter:


My chairman, My own view is even more extreme, I will propose everyone with Ibo blood get out first and those interested in living here start their immigration paperwork with vetting from Yoruba immigration, stating what they want to come here to do.

If Business they must have upward of 20M Naira in a Yorubaland bank account, to work the company hiring them must prove there are no Yoruba or Edo Ebira, Itsekiri people with such skills similar to H1B visas.

And no matter how many years you live or how many kids you have, even if you born your intestines your citizenship isnt guaranteed (Like in UK)

If for vacation you have a valid 6 month renewable visa

raumdeuter:
My chairman, My own view is even more extreme, I will propose everyone with Ibo blood get out first and those interested in living here start their immigration paperwork with vetting from Yoruba immigration, stating what they want to come here to do.

If Business they must have upward of 20M Naira in a Yorubaland bank account, to work the company hiring them must prove there are no Yoruba or Edo Ebira, Itsekiri people with such skills similar to H1B visas.

And no matter how many years you live or how many kids you have, even if you born your intestines your citizenship isnt guaranteed (Like in UK)

If for vacation you have a valid 6 month renewable visa

laudate:

You have a point. Folks like us would become 'visitors' or 'strangers', if that policy of non-Yorubas in the SW region is enforced, despite our length of stay and years of residence in places like Lagos.

laudate:

Why only Edo Ebira, Itsekiri? What about Nupe or Igala?

shukuokukobambi:


The reasonable conclusion is that: they will decide what they want when the time comes.

raumdeuter:
Yeah those are also included. I mean etc. Nupe and Igala are close to Yorubas ancestrally and we have had dealings for several centuries before Oyinbos came here without any problem

Even Sangos mother was a Nupe woman. The groups that share a border with Yorubas like Igala, Emira, Nupe Edo etc will be given a priority

laudate:
Noted, thanks.

Olu317:
Sorry for the late response, it was due to anti spamming stuff. Precisely to your perspective as it seems, on itsekiri people,the reality is that it was Nigeria created that it has taken away such opinion and people's identity from the new generation. Let me inform you that itsekiri fought on behalf of ILE IFE /Ekiti parapo during kiriji war. BINI didn't because it was not with any might. So, I understand your point but in truth they are largely Yoruba descendants. And if you say, they identify with Ondo axis, what grouping are the people in Ondo axis, especially the mentioned clans of yours? Even Arugbo/apoi in Ondo state speak Yoruboid language but claims Ijo (Izon/Ijawa). There is more that meet the eyes.

raumdeuter:


Yeah those are also included. I mean etc.Nupe and Igala are close to Yorubas ancestrally and we have had dealings for several centuryies before Oyinbos came here without any problem

Even Sangos mother was a Nupe woman. The groups that share a border with Yorubas like Igala, Emira, Nupe Edo etc will be given a priority

Jetleeee:
Nice thread mehn. Brilliant contributions. I just hope these mods won't ruin it

I never knew these mods could resuscitate deleted threads lol. Whatever happened to my "Lagos and Ogun are not their daddy's mates" thread

Mugun44 fook you!

AshiwajuFoward:


That is it! That's the way it should be in my opinion as well (though I think the deportation part must not be a blanket one, those that are not troublemakers, I mean the one that don't call our land 'nomansland', can be allowed to remain while regularizing their immigration status). If I decide to go and live in China or Germany today, o ti sure ju wipe I go know at the back of my mind say I must learn their language and culture, so as to fit properly into their society. If I choose to naturalize or obtain their citizenship, I'll definitely go through some kinda test or exam to PROVE to them that I've assimilated enough into their society and will be a loyal citizen of their country. That's the way it should be.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
If the Itsekiri's say that they are not Yoruba's, then they are not Yoruba. Let us respect thier decision

Please I beg you remove Arogbo Ijaw from your equation. Apologies to Omoyele Sowere and the few noble Arogbo Ijaw guys, but majority of them are Militants. are I am even of the opinion that Ese-Odo LG of Ondo be carved to Delta State.

Ajakpa, Bolowo, Akotogbo, Zion Church etc are all den of Miitants. Those criminals will give us trouble if we include in our prospective Yoruba Country.

shukuokukobambi:


Onijogbon, Sho tun ti de?